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Metal Angel
07-07-2012, 17:55
I'm really not talking about X-frame revolvers or Desert Eagles... What I'm talking about are firearms that were designed to be carbines but to avoid SBR registration, their stocks have been omitted.

AR-15 pistol, Draco AK pistol, Kriss Vector pistol, etc...

Personally I have no experience with them, but they seem to be an awesome concept. Obviously the SBR route has some major advantages, but I just HATE the idea of registering any of my firearms. It seems like they fill a void between the size and convenience of a pistol, and the accuracy and firepower of a rifle.

I have seen guys make seriously tight groups at 50+ yards with these carbine pistols. Not rifle tight, but way tighter and way faster than anyone can do with a real pistol.

I want one. Mostly the Kriss. Just a dream right now as I cannot afford a $1700 dollar firearm right now.

bmoore
07-07-2012, 17:57
Dumb.

collim1
07-07-2012, 18:33
Not my thing either.

themighty9mm
07-07-2012, 18:41
Doesnt do anything for me at all. Mostlu because here in MO SBR's can be had. If I felt a strong urge for something alone those lines I would just go that route

fnfalman
07-07-2012, 18:43
Not my thing, but if others like them then go for it. Hell, these things are toys so whatever float your boat.

CAcop
07-07-2012, 18:48
I would be okay with a few of them. I think a rifle caliber makes more sense than a pistol caliber. Also a lot of people will buy them to convert to SBRs once they get the paperwork squared away.

I would of course realize the limitations of having a rifle without a butstock.

ChuteTheMall
07-07-2012, 18:50
My Draco is only a few inches shorter than my AK underfolder, folded.

I love it.

It's also legal for me to carry openly, unlike a rifle, and with my Concealed Handgun Permit, it's also legal for me to carry concealed. That makes it legal as a truck gun, even with 30 round mags of 7.62x39.

It's no substitute for a conventional concealed pistol (G30, G17, whatever) and it's no substitute for a real rifle in the unlikely event I should ever find myself in a rifle battle.

It is what it is, and what it is, is a blast.

Best $400 I ever spent and if a mini-Draco jumps into my hands, I'll probably buy it too.

I grew up watching Wanted! Dead or Alive but my Draco beats Josh Randall's mare's leg totally.
As I mentioned in another thread, my first handgun purchase was almost a Universal Enforcer (M1 carbine pistol) many years ago. The Draco scratched that ancient itch.

:cool:

bac1023
07-07-2012, 18:54
I never liked that sort of thing at all.

Louisville Glocker
07-07-2012, 19:03
I have two Draco's and a Krink, so that probably tells you how I feel about 'em.

I bought my first Draco on a whim (only $340, and I thought the wood looked nice). Having 7.62 x 39 ammo is a pretty powerful load. I usually keep one in my car. It is very mobile and easy to handle in confined spaces. And surprisingly accurate.

I don't think of them as a pistol, although they technically are. And I don't think of them as a rifle, though they use rifle ammo. They are truly a hybrid, and won't replace either of the two, yet they retain positive aspects of both. I've got some glocks for concealed carrying, and some long guns (AK's, AR's, and semi-auto shotguns) as well. But these little beasts fill a void in the middle, and for that I love 'em. (plus they're fun as heck!) And you've got to love the AK reliability.

'nuff said. Highly recommended!

NeverMore1701
07-07-2012, 19:11
I'd get an AR pistol just so I'd have something in hand while waiting for the SBR stamp to be approved.

fnfalman
07-07-2012, 19:11
The coolest of the bunch would be the PPS-43 with the folding stock welded shut.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx

ChuteTheMall
07-07-2012, 19:27
:needspics:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2qa2w7p.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/f53t3p.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/e1s9i.png
I wish my Draco had a cute little butt like these Henry's.

If I wanted to jump thru NFA paperwork hoops, I'd SBR my Draco first.

Later, for fun, I might consider another SBR like the Obrez (Mosin Nagant)

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MosinNagantPistol.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2eb6fsw.jpg

dnuggett
07-07-2012, 19:27
Never had an interest in these either.

GLOCK24-7
07-07-2012, 19:38
IMO, waste of money.

jakebrake
07-07-2012, 19:39
not my speed, but whatever .:dunno:

Bruce M
07-07-2012, 19:42
There are several things I want more.

mr00jimbo
07-07-2012, 19:47
I don't get the United States...you can have pistols, okay, you can have rifles and shotguns, good, but if the latter group is too short that's somehow evil and needs an SBR classification?

What the hell is so dangerous about a short rifle?
Then again being from Canada, i shouldn't talk about gun laws LOL.

oldnoob
07-07-2012, 19:51
I don't find the need for it but I won't stop other to get theirs.

ronin.45
07-07-2012, 20:08
Not my thing, but if others like them then go for it. Hell, these things are toys so whatever float your boat.

Yup. To me they are big, ungainly, useless things. If someone else likes them, that's on them.

M2 Carbine
07-07-2012, 20:11
I guess you could say I like them.:supergrin:

Ruger Charger
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/ChargerTact3.jpg

Henry 22 Mares Leg.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/HenryML.jpg

AK pistol.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/AK75rdpistol-1.jpg

Pedersoli 20 ga Howdah pistol.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Howdah-1.jpg

30 Cal Carbine.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Enforcer.jpg

M2 Carbine
07-07-2012, 20:11
GSG-5 pistol.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/GSG5pistolJPG.jpg

Bushmaster .223
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/BucksBushmaster97.jpg

Kel Tec .223 PLR.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLRCarbinesling-1.jpg

Rossi .357
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/RossiRH-1.jpg


The coolest of the bunch would be the PPS-43 with the folding stock welded shut.
Oh yea that's right, I forgot my PPS-43. No picture yet.:)

M2 Carbine
07-07-2012, 20:15
I don't get the United States...
We don't get it either. 99.99% of gun laws are just plain stupid, but who ever said government was smart.

Berto
07-07-2012, 21:05
I think it came about as a result of the ganster era in the 1920's with sawed off SG's and shortened rifles like Clyde Barrow's BAR.
Stupid, I know, but that was the thinking, then...

NeverMore1701
07-07-2012, 21:18
I think it came about as a result of the ganster era in the 1920's with sawed off SG's and shortened rifles like Clyde Barrow's BAR.
Stupid, I know, but that was the thinking, then...

Not unlike switchblades and butterfly knives being outlawed because of movies....

ithaca_deerslayer
07-07-2012, 21:51
Does this one count :)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7282012982_fca5cf1e09_b.jpg

hogship
07-07-2012, 22:39
I don't get the United States...you can have pistols, okay, you can have rifles and shotguns, good, but if the latter group is too short that's somehow evil and needs an SBR classification?

What the hell is so dangerous about a short rifle?
Then again being from Canada, i shouldn't talk about gun laws LOL.

There is nothing dangerous in cutting down a rifle to a pistol configuration.......it's pure fear factor at work in the minds of lawmakers. Whether right, or wrong, we're stuck with what we got......:steamed:

I think it came about as a result of the ganster era in the 1920's with sawed off SG's and shortened rifles like Clyde Barrow's BAR.
Stupid, I know, but that was the thinking, then...

I haven't researched this, but I believe this is correct.

Not unlike switchblades and butterfly knives being outlawed because of movies....

You can conceal a firearm, but if you have a switchblade knife, you can go to jail..........Our politicians are weak on reversing bad law. Instead they'll make new law to try and fix bad law. We now have a situation where you can buy a short version of a rifle, IF it was originally intended as a handgun, but can't add a rifle stock to it. At the same time, if you take a rifle and cut the stock and barrel down to an identical configuration as the legal handgun version, you will face criminal charges for doing it....

Absolutely no sense at all! :faint:

ooc

Boats
07-07-2012, 22:49
AR based ones look like ass.

Rutha73
07-07-2012, 23:00
That Draco one is starting to grow on me! I don't like how the AR version has to have the buffer tube hanging out the back, would it be an NFA violation to put a little pad on it and use the buffer tube as a stock?

Metal Angel
07-07-2012, 23:56
I don't get the United States...you can have pistols, okay, you can have rifles and shotguns, good, but if the latter group is too short that's somehow evil and needs an SBR classification?

What the hell is so dangerous about a short rifle?
Then again being from Canada, i shouldn't talk about gun laws LOL.

The short answer is, intelligent people had nothing to do with writing these laws. The long answer is... See short answer.

Metal Angel
07-08-2012, 00:05
I don't get the United States...you can have pistols, okay, you can have rifles and shotguns, good, but if the latter group is too short that's somehow evil and needs an SBR classification?

What the hell is so dangerous about a short rifle?
Then again being from Canada, i shouldn't talk about gun laws LOL.

Also note that if our firearms are loud enough to deafen babies they are good, but if a piece of equipment is added to quiet them enough to not cause permanent hearing damage they are evil.

sdsnet
07-08-2012, 00:08
For $550 or even lower you can get a new Kel-tec PLR-16. These pistols are really accurate and also sport one heck of a bang and flames out the barrel !

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-16/

PLR-16 - YouTube

BenjiEDF
07-08-2012, 00:31
These would not exist without SBR laws. The HK MP5 is the best of this type and it shoots a pistol round. Some military M4's have very short barrels too, but they are not legal without the tax stamp. I would not recommend the bastard children.

Metal Angel
07-08-2012, 00:34
For $550 or even lower you can get a new Kel-tec PLR-16. These pistols are really accurate and also sport one heck of a bang and flames out the barrel !

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-16/

PLR-16 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJE3-MpxALE)

Wow! With the muzzle brake that thing litterally has downward muzzle flip!

M2 Carbine
07-08-2012, 08:22
These pistols are really accurate and also sport one heck of a bang and flames out the barrel !
Of these type guns the Kel Tec PLR is my favorite.

Accurate.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLRscope.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLR95ydsPMCmatch3226.jpg


Small
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/KTPLRhand-1.jpg


Interesting.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLRwithoutflashhider.jpg


Right deadly and high capacity.
Standing and blasting at 100 yards. Most shots COM.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/100yardsPLR1.jpg


Powerful.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/KT223onsteelfront.jpg

DustyJacket
07-08-2012, 08:38
Yup. Dumb. Stupid. Anyone that would own one is....

Oh, wait. I do like them. Mostly because I can take them out of the state without asking the BATFE for permssion. And I dodged the $200 tax stamp for the gun, since I already paid for one for the can.

http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/rra_lar9.jpg

http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/rra_lar9-1.jpg

Berto
07-08-2012, 08:59
They look fun to me.

01coltcolt
07-08-2012, 09:06
I had one it was'nt my thing. I put it on a form 1 and added a stock. Now I love it!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/HK-2.jpg


Much better
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/MP5K003.jpg

Metal Angel
07-08-2012, 09:27
I had one it was'nt my thing. I put it on a form 1 and added a stock. Now I love it!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/HK-2.jpg

Ooh, I actually like that. Where do you find those? Probably costs about the same as a Kriss though (if not more).

01coltcolt
07-08-2012, 09:34
Ooh, I actually like that. Where do you find those? Probably costs about the same as a Kriss though (if not more).

You can find a ocasional HK SP89 on www.Gunbroker.com but thier like $5000.00. Like mine the only people making them is a handful of custom builders. Look in the clone section on www.hkpro.com they can be built for $2000-3000.00
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=295051276
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=294903684

GlockFish
07-08-2012, 14:36
Of these type guns the Kel Tec PLR is my favorite.

Accurate.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLRscope.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLR95ydsPMCmatch3226.jpg


Small
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/KTPLRhand-1.jpg


Interesting.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/PLRwithoutflashhider.jpg


Right deadly and high capacity.
Standing and blasting at 100 yards. Most shots COM.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/100yardsPLR1.jpg


Powerful.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/KT223onsteelfront.jpg

I love my PLR.

I don't understand how anyone would think they're "stupid" or "dumb".

30 rounds of 5.56 that is accurate out to 100 yards+ in a handgun (which means I can CCW it)..... That's just beautiful, man.

PlasticGuy
07-09-2012, 17:07
They are awesome, as soon as you put stocks on them.

ChicagoZman
07-09-2012, 17:20
Never have I felt a need to have a handgun shoot rifle rounds as I have rifles for that. I have also never had the need for a long gun to shoot handgun rounds as I already have handguns for that.