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FCoulter
07-08-2012, 07:52
Millions have been cleverly misled—could that include you?

http://cbcg.org/franklin/SA/SA_worlddeceived.pdf

WS6
07-08-2012, 10:10
Millions have been cleverly misled—could that include you?

http://cbcg.org/franklin/SA/SA_worlddeceived.pdf


Are you sure?

In My Catholic Faith, Louis LaRavoire Morrow writes: “Divine Revelation comes down to us by two means: through Holy Scripture, written down under divine inspiration, and through Tradition, handed down orally from Apostolic times. We read the Bible with great respect, for it is the Word of God. We treat Tradition with as great reverence, for God speaks through Tradition as well. It is wrong to believe the Bible alone without Tradition” (p. 22; emphasis added).

This is absolutely false! The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be believed—it is the only standard upon which all teachings are to be based.

Where does the Bible make this claim that it is the only standard? Paul even tells Timothy otherwise:

[ ... ] the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. [1 Timothy 3:15]

If the Bible is the only standard upon which all teachings are to be based, that teaching which defines the canon of Christian scripture would certainly be included. So, I would like to see the inspired table-of-contents for your particular Bible.

Brasso
07-08-2012, 10:33
2Ti 3:14 But you, stay in what you have learned and trusted, having known from whom you have learned,
2Ti 3:15 and that from a babe you have known the Set-apart Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for deliverance through belief in Messiah יהושע.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work.

I don't think anyone is saying traditions are bad, unless they contradict the Scriptures, which the RCC does on a regular and consistent basis.

Kingarthurhk
07-08-2012, 10:47
Are you sure?



Where does the Bible make this claim that it is the only standard? Paul even tells Timothy otherwise:



If the Bible is the only standard upon which all teachings are to be based, that teaching which defines the canon of Christian scripture would certainly be included. So, I would like to see the inspired table-of-contents for your particular Bible.

Galatians 1:6-20, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29064M))'></sup> you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29064N))'></sup> — <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29065O))'></sup> and are trying to pervert <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29065P))'></sup> the gospel of Christ. <sup class="versenum">8 </sup>But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29066Q))'></sup> let them be under God’s curse! <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29066R))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29067S))'></sup> let them be under God’s curse!
<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29068T))'></sup> If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Paul Called by God

<sup class="versenum">11 </sup>I want you to know, brothers and sisters, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29069U))'></sup> that the gospel I preached <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29069V))'></sup> is not of human origin. <sup class="versenum">12</sup>I did not receive it from any man, <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29070W))'></sup> nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29070X))'></sup> from Jesus Christ. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29070Y))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29071Z))'></sup> how intensely I persecuted the church of God <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29071AA))'></sup> and tried to destroy it. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29071AB))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29072AC))'></sup> for the traditions of my fathers. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29072AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29073AE))'></sup> and called me <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29073AF))'></sup> by his grace, was pleased <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29074AG))'></sup> my immediate response was not to consult any human being. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29074AH))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29075AI))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Then after three years, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29076AJ))'></sup> I went up to Jerusalem <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29076AK))'></sup> to get acquainted with Cephas<sup class="footnote" value=''>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-29076b)]</sup> and stayed with him fifteen days. <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>I saw none of the other apostles—only James, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29077AL))'></sup> the Lord’s brother. <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>I assure you before God <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29078AM))'></sup> that what I am writing you is no lie."

Paul makes it plain that human tradition has no place in the preaching of the Gospel. Yet, you advocate this, why?

Numbers 23:19, "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

Jesus Himself says in Matthew 24:35, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Malachai 3:6-7, "I the Lord do not change. <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23127X))'></sup> So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23127Y))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23128Z))'></sup> from my decrees and have not kept them. Return <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23128AA))'></sup> to me, and I will return to you,” <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23128AB))'></sup>says the Lord Almighty."

Duteronomy 4:2, "<sup> </sup>[B]Do not add <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007D))'></sup> to what I command you and do not subtract <sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007E))'></sup> from it, but keep <sup class="crossreference" value='(F (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007F))'></sup> the commands <sup class="crossreference" value='(G (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007G))'></sup> of the Lord your God that I give you."

God takes this very seriously:

Revelation 22:18-19, "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: <sup class="crossreference" value='(AX (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31099AX))'></sup> If anyone adds anything to them, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AY (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31099AY))'></sup> God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AZ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31099AZ))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>And if anyone takes words away <sup class="crossreference" value='(BA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31100BA))'></sup> from this scroll of prophecy, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31100BB))'></sup> God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life <sup class="crossreference" value='(BC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31100BC))'></sup> and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

WS6
07-08-2012, 13:47
2Ti 3:14 But you, stay in what you have learned and trusted, having known from whom you have learned,
2Ti 3:15 and that from a babe you have known the Set-apart Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for deliverance through belief in Messiah יהושע.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work.

I don't think anyone is saying traditions are bad, unless they contradict the Scriptures, which the RCC does on a regular and consistent basis.

Define Scripture.

WS6
07-08-2012, 13:58
Are you sure?



Where does the Bible make this claim that it is the only standard? Paul even tells Timothy otherwise:



If the Bible is the only standard upon which all teachings are to be based, that teaching which defines the canon of Christian scripture would certainly be included. So, I would like to see the inspired table-of-contents for your particular Bible.

Galatians 1:6-20, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29064M))'></sup> you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29064N))'></sup> — <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29065O))'></sup> and are trying to pervert <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29065P))'></sup> the gospel of Christ. <sup class="versenum">8 </sup>But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29066Q))'></sup> let them be under God’s curse! <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29066R))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29067S))'></sup> let them be under God’s curse!
<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29068T))'></sup> If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Paul Called by God

<sup class="versenum">11 </sup>I want you to know, brothers and sisters, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29069U))'></sup> that the gospel I preached <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29069V))'></sup> is not of human origin. <sup class="versenum">12</sup>I did not receive it from any man, <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29070W))'></sup> nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29070X))'></sup> from Jesus Christ. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29070Y))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29071Z))'></sup> how intensely I persecuted the church of God <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29071AA))'></sup> and tried to destroy it. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29071AB))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29072AC))'></sup> for the traditions of my fathers. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29072AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29073AE))'></sup> and called me <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29073AF))'></sup> by his grace, was pleased <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29074AG))'></sup> my immediate response was not to consult any human being. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29074AH))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29075AI))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Then after three years, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29076AJ))'></sup> I went up to Jerusalem <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29076AK))'></sup> to get acquainted with Cephas<sup class="footnote" value=''>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-29076b)]</sup> and stayed with him fifteen days. <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>I saw none of the other apostles—only James, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29077AL))'></sup> the Lord’s brother. <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>I assure you before God <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29078AM))'></sup> that what I am writing you is no lie."

Paul makes it plain that human tradition has no place in the preaching of the Gospel. Yet, you advocate this, why?

Numbers 23:19, "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

Jesus Himself says in Matthew 24:35, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Malachai 3:6-7, "I the Lord do not change. <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23127X))'></sup> So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23127Y))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23128Z))'></sup> from my decrees and have not kept them. Return <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23128AA))'></sup> to me, and I will return to you,” <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23128AB))'></sup>says the Lord Almighty."

Duteronomy 4:2, "<sup> </sup>[B]Do not add <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007D))'></sup> to what I command you and do not subtract <sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007E))'></sup> from it, but keep <sup class="crossreference" value='(F (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007F))'></sup> the commands <sup class="crossreference" value='(G (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-5007G))'></sup> of the Lord your God that I give you."

God takes this very seriously:

Revelation 22:18-19, "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: <sup class="crossreference" value='(AX (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31099AX))'></sup> If anyone adds anything to them, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AY (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31099AY))'></sup> God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AZ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31099AZ))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>And if anyone takes words away <sup class="crossreference" value='(BA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31100BA))'></sup> from this scroll of prophecy, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31100BB))'></sup> God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life <sup class="crossreference" value='(BC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-31100BC))'></sup> and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

Please highlight those portions of your post, which show where the Bible makes the claim that it is the only standard for teaching. Also point to the inspired table-of-contents for your particular Bible.

NMG26
07-09-2012, 19:32
Millions have been cleverly misled—could that include you?

http://cbcg.org/franklin/SA/SA_worlddeceived.pdf



Because they do not read and study their Bibles for themselves,
but believe the religious teachings of their leaders.


All cults say that.

The cult I was in used to say "The Word of God is the Will of God".

Bible based cults separate themselves from the rest of Christianity and world with their interpretation of the Bible.

Of course your wear the term cult as a badge of honor.