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Spiffums
07-08-2012, 17:21
Who makes the best 1911 in 9mm? I hear lots and lots of good things about STI and people like the Springers. There are even a Colt or 2 out there.

It's going to be a game gun so which one would you pick?

glock2740
07-08-2012, 17:35
There are several great 9mm 1911's out there. It's a very subjective question. I have three GREAT 1911's in 9mm. But that's MY opinion. They all shoot great and have been 100% reliable and look pretty damn cool to me.

SACS EMP
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/EMP2-1.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/EMP1-1.jpg


DW Guardian with a few modifications...
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/IMG_3648.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/Gunsonthedeck006.jpg


Kimber Target II, worked over by Chuck Rogers
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/214-1.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/213.jpg

Bro KV
07-08-2012, 17:36
I like Les Baer

davsco
07-08-2012, 17:52
per the 2010 uspsa equipment survey, in the Open division, STI frames were used by 75% of the top shooters. so definitely something you should consider.

i have and like STI's steel master, but it is set up for Minor and thus a scoring handicap vs Major loads.

Spiffums
07-08-2012, 17:56
For IDPA there isn't a power factor so that's a non issue.

TxGlock9
07-08-2012, 17:58
I'm in the market for a 9mm 191 as well. Check out the Ranger II and DW Guardian. SA EMP's are good too.

mr_fender
07-08-2012, 18:06
I had a Kimber Stainless II in 9mm that was a sweet shooter, but had less than stellar reliability. To cut costs Kimber uses the same .40 cal breech face on all their their non .45 ACP slides and as a result the extractor slot is too far over for 9mm case. No amount of extractor tweaking nor two different extractors nor three different magazines would fix it's random FTFeed and FTExtract and Double Feed. 1911's that use a true 9mm breech face seem to have a much better record of reliability. 9mm 1911's also tend to be pretty picky about magazines as well due to the shorter cartridge length. I sold mine off and picked up a Glock 17 for 9mm shooting. My G17's been flawless for over 2000 rounds. I was lucky if I got 25 rounds out of my 9mm Kimber between jams. I'm in the market for a .45ACP 1911 this time. Your mileage may vary.

glock2740
07-08-2012, 18:22
I had a Kimber Stainless II in 9mm that was a sweet shooter, but had less than stellar reliability. To cut costs Kimber uses the same .40 cal breech face on all their their non .45 ACP slides and as a result the extractor slot is too far over for 9mm case. No amount of extractor tweaking nor two different extractors nor three different magazines would fix it's random FTFeed and FTExtract and Double Feed. 1911's that use a true 9mm breech face seem to have a much better record of reliability. 9mm 1911's also tend to be pretty picky about magazines as well due to the shorter cartridge length. I sold mine off and picked up a Glock 17 for 9mm shooting. My G17's been flawless for over 2000 rounds. I was lucky if I got 25 rounds out of my 9mm Kimber between jams. I'm in the market for a .45ACP 1911 this time. Your mileage may vary.
My mileage varied greatly. Hundreds of rounds through mine, using mostly Kimber mags, which I think are complete junk. Not a single hiccup with anything and everything I ran through it. Including several different types and sizes of SD ammo. I hear about all of these Kimber issues, yet, after 9 Kimbers, I haven't had a single issue. :dunno:

fnfalman
07-08-2012, 18:26
Depends on how much money you want to spend.

mntrpr
07-08-2012, 19:13
Springfield Pro in 9mm

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/springfieldpro/9mmpro.jpg

glock2740
07-08-2012, 19:18
Springfield Pro in 9mm

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq330/springfieldpro/9mmpro.jpg
Very cool. :thumbsup:

bac1023
07-08-2012, 19:24
What's your price range?

Spiffums
07-09-2012, 04:31
$1500ish.......It's going to be my ESP gun after I make master in SSP. Kinda a reward and tool for the next phase.

It just have to IDPA legal in the end.

Spiffums
07-09-2012, 04:32
It won't be a self defense or home defense or zombie defense gun. It's goal in life will be to kill cardboard DRT and knock down steel.

Bren
07-09-2012, 05:36
Who makes the best 1911 in 9mm? I hear lots and lots of good things about STI and people like the Springers. There are even a Colt or 2 out there.

It's going to be a game gun so which one would you pick?

If price was equal, I'd pick Colt. Most of the other brands are for people who want their gun "customized" from the factory. I do my own work.

MD357
07-09-2012, 07:59
If it's a gamer gun I would stay away from Kimber, the FPS doesn't like high round counts from my experiences and it shouldn't be there in the first place. I'd go STI Trojan or Dan Wesson if you can find one.

MD357
07-09-2012, 08:01
I had a Kimber Stainless II in 9mm that was a sweet shooter, but had less than stellar reliability. To cut costs Kimber uses the same .40 cal breech face on all their their non .45 ACP slides and as a result the extractor slot is too far over for 9mm case. No amount of extractor tweaking nor two different extractors nor three different magazines would fix it's random FTFeed and FTExtract and Double Feed. 1911's that use a true 9mm breech face seem to have a much better record of reliability. 9mm 1911's also tend to be pretty picky about magazines as well due to the shorter cartridge length. I sold mine off and picked up a Glock 17 for 9mm shooting. My G17's been flawless for over 2000 rounds. I was lucky if I got 25 rounds out of my 9mm Kimber between jams. I'm in the market for a .45ACP 1911 this time. Your mileage may vary.

Wow, if that's true Kimber is cutting more corners than previously thought.

Edit: did some searching..... that's just sad on Kimber's part. Overpriced junk.

faawrenchbndr
07-09-2012, 08:47
Guncrafter Industries..........wait for it! :supergrin:

38 Super Fan
07-09-2012, 09:20
I like Les Baer

:thumbsup:

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n602/hackman1911/mono3015.jpg

For a gun that's gonna see a lot of rounds, I'd personally try to spend a bit more for and pick up a Baer.

mr_fender
07-09-2012, 10:54
Wow, if that's true Kimber is cutting more corners than previously thought.

Edit: did some searching..... that's just sad on Kimber's part. Overpriced junk.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them junk, but if I had known about the mis-sized breech, I would have never gotten a Kimber 9mm. Their .45 ACP pistols do have a pretty good reputation, but it sort of soured me on the brand to be honest. Oh yeah, the firing pin stop on it was EXTREMELY loose also. Extractor clocked about 20 to 30 degrees. If I pushed in the firing pin with the slide locked back, the stop would fall out. Very poorly fit. I carefully fit an EGW oversized forged stop and Wilson Combat 9mm extractor, but it still choked. BTW, I don't reload, so all I shoot is factory ammo of varying brands. I expect far better from a $900 pistol. For that kind of money, a firearm should be 100% reliable. No excuses or exceptions.

Jim Watson
07-09-2012, 13:05
I have a somewhat breathed upon Colt 1991A1 9mm that does very well. But Colt does not now offer a 9mm and I don't know if rebarreling a .38 Super is hardly worth the cost, what with the other choices out there. I THINK my Springfield Mixmaster is straightened out, but will not put it back on the range until this time next month to be sure.

Buying new, I would get the best STI the budget could handle, buying from Brazos or Dawson. They discount the guns a bit, which I would put back into a "reliability package" and fibre optic front sight. If a single stack like Trojan or Sentry, I would order Cobramags direct from Tripp, making it clear what gun they were for. There are some differences that Virgil will take into account when you say you are shooting a STI.
If a 2011 Eagle, I would have a heart to heart talk about magazine "tuning" which seems to be a cottage industry for the double stack guns but completely unacceptable that a $1500 gun would not run with its $60 magazines.

Veedubklown
07-09-2012, 14:28
Bul M-5 in 9mm. Company made frames for Charles Daily and Kimber, years ago. Same frames, now. Mags hold 18 and 20 (doublestack)

I don't really think it's the best, but it sure was a great value when I found it used.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/Bul%20M5/2012-04-13_21-29-28_0.jpg

fnfalman
07-09-2012, 14:44
But Colt does not now offer a 9mm.

Colt only puts out the 9mm calibers in the Defender/New Agent series right now. None for the Commander or Government sizes.

glock2740
07-09-2012, 18:06
Guncrafter Industries..........wait for it! :supergrin:
:whistling:.........................................:cool:

Jim Watson
07-09-2012, 21:35
Colt only puts out the 9mm calibers in the Defender/New Agent series right now. None for the Commander or Government sizes.

Ah, I forgot about the dwarf guns, thinking only about something that actually looked like a 1911.

Bodyarmorguy
07-09-2012, 21:56
I am sitting on a fairly cherry original Series 70 Government Model in 9mm. I do a constant three sided mental coin toss...leave it stock....send to Colt Custom Shop or Springfield Custom Shop to be built into a carry piece?
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z251/bodyarmorguy/DSC_0867.jpg

prez1967
07-11-2012, 01:56
Im looking for a springfield mil spec... But im a bit biased towards springer :-)

Gary1911A1
07-11-2012, 07:51
Of the 1911s' in 9MM I have had only the Springfield's have been trouble free. Still waiting on my EMP to come in, but I know if I have problems I'll just have to call Deb and she'll take care of it.

Jim Watson
07-11-2012, 08:00
I am sitting on a fairly cherry original Series 70 Government Model in 9mm. I do a constant three sided mental coin toss...leave it stock....send to Colt Custom Shop or Springfield Custom Shop to be built into a carry piece?
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z251/bodyarmorguy/DSC_0867.jpg

A friend has one like that and I have the plain finish 1991a1 that we have set up as IDPA ESPs with sights, trigger, beavertail, and mag well. Great for that, but heavy enough to wear for a match, too heavy to want to carry all day.

Somebody would probably pay crazy money for an unaltered first half S70 in uncommon caliber.

fnfalman
07-11-2012, 09:43
A friend has one like Somebody would probably pay crazy money for an unaltered first half S70 in uncommon caliber.

It's more depending on when the gun was made more than the caliber itself. If the gun was made before or outside of the bad decades (1980-2000), then it tends to be more valuable.

BuckyP
07-11-2012, 10:43
$1500ish.......It's going to be my ESP gun after I make master in SSP. Kinda a reward and tool for the next phase.

It just have to IDPA legal in the end.


The biggest challenge here is the weight. It's real easy for a 9mm to go over the 43 oz limit. Especially guns with light rails, and also full length dust covers are a no-no regardless of weight.


I like Les Baer


When my Les Baer slide would not lock back, he told me I had to custom tune each magazine to hit the slide stop, like the magazine that came with the gun. Of course he ignored me / disbelieved me when I said that magazine didn't lock the gun back either. :upeyes:

Installed a Wilson slide stop at my own expense and problem solved. In the end, would have been cheaper than shipping the gun anyway.

:thumbsup:

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n602/hackman1911/mono3015.jpg

For a gun that's gonna see a lot of rounds, I'd personally try to spend a bit more for and pick up a Baer.

Very nice. Wouldn't be IDPA legal though (dumb rules).

My IDPA 9mm
http://www.pollardfamily.net/al/lb4.jpg

Disregarded9-side
07-11-2012, 11:46
My mileage varied greatly. Hundreds of rounds through mine, using mostly Kimber mags, which I think are complete junk. Not a single hiccup with anything and everything I ran through it. Including several different types and sizes of SD ammo. I hear about all of these Kimber issues, yet, after 9 Kimbers, I haven't had a single issue. :dunno:

I think the 4" model Kimbers are prone to a lot more problems. Though after a (long) break-in and a myriad of spring combinations it would frequently cycle a magazine (certainly not one of the factory provided ones that just so happen to have steel followers that tear apart aluminum frames). I'm not sure those guns can ever be reliable enough for me. The modified barrel locking--my Kimber Pro Carry II felt like it NEVER wanted to go fully into battery, even on an empty chamber. The 4" Kimber is almost not worth calling a 1911 because of the modded barrel set up.

Kimbers seems to work or they don't. When I put one that worked next to mine I couldn't tell a difference striping them, they seem so nice to handle too, but shooting...ugh. I got reamed.

Because of your experience and posts, as well as BAC's choice of carry pistol, I went with Kimber despite the negative experiences that others have had. BAC's the first to say he's more of a collector than a shooter--I shoot a ton, maybe that's the issue.

Nearly a year later I'm warming up to the idea of getting another 1911; but I wish the one that fit my needs on paper actually worked in reality.

E: I started reading this thread because I'd LOVE to have a 9x19mm 1911 that functioned well--I think I'm going to have to go with as close to the OG JMB design as possible my 2nd time around.

Jim Watson
07-11-2012, 12:36
It's more depending on when the gun was made more than the caliber itself. If the gun was made before or outside of the bad decades (1980-2000), then it tends to be more valuable.

But he shows what I called a "first half S70."
It has the billboard slide roll marks, the white trigger, and the sandblasted stocks characteristic of the Mk IV Series 70 as made from 1970 up until about 1976-77 when they changed to a small logo, blued trigger, and checkered stocks.
I like the looks of the later guns, but have read that the early version was better built. I don't know that from experience, though.

But it is not from a "bad decade".

fnfalman
07-11-2012, 12:36
E: I started reading this thread because I'd LOVE to have a 9x19mm 1911 that functioned well--I think I'm going to have to go with as close to the OG JMB design as possible my 2nd time around.

Get a Colt and save the hassle.

A used one, obviously, since that Colt doesn't make any right out in Government and Commander sizes.

Though there's a rumor that Talo is going to have Colt make a batch of Government Model 9mm.

midliferally
07-11-2012, 15:09
The best 9mm I own is an STi. Give them a look!!

A6Gator
07-13-2012, 17:31
$1500ish.......It's going to be my ESP gun after I make master in SSP. Kinda a reward and tool for the next phase.

It just have to IDPA legal in the end.

If you have a couple hundred more, take a look at the STI Eagle w/a bushing. The grip fills my hand and it's a tack driver. It will fit in the IDPA box, makes weight and you can spring it for those 126-127 pf loads.

glock2740
07-13-2012, 18:13
I think the 4" model Kimbers are prone to a lot more problems. Though after a (long) break-in and a myriad of spring combinations it would frequently cycle a magazine (certainly not one of the factory provided ones that just so happen to have steel followers that tear apart aluminum frames). I'm not sure those guns can ever be reliable enough for me. The modified barrel locking--my Kimber Pro Carry II felt like it NEVER wanted to go fully into battery, even on an empty chamber. The 4" Kimber is almost not worth calling a 1911 because of the modded barrel set up.

Kimbers seems to work or they don't. When I put one that worked next to mine I couldn't tell a difference striping them, they seem so nice to handle too, but shooting...ugh. I got reamed.

Because of your experience and posts, as well as BAC's choice of carry pistol, I went with Kimber despite the negative experiences that others have had. BAC's the first to say he's more of a collector than a shooter--I shoot a ton, maybe that's the issue.

Nearly a year later I'm warming up to the idea of getting another 1911; but I wish the one that fit my needs on paper actually worked in reality.

E: I started reading this thread because I'd LOVE to have a 9x19mm 1911 that functioned well--I think I'm going to have to go with as close to the OG JMB design as possible my 2nd time around.
Sorry to hear about that. All my kimbers have been just fine and I've shot them alot. One thing I've done religously with them all, is before I ever put a single round through them, I oiled them good (used the entire oil packet that comes with them) and racked the slide about 200 times without a magazine in the gun. Then ran them with either Wilson or Tripp Cobra mags. All of my Kimbers have seen 1000+ rounds without a hiccup. I guess I've been lucky with them. :dunno:

Quack
07-17-2012, 06:19
if $1500 is your limit, look for a pre-owned STI Eagle w/bushing barrel. 2011's are my favorite guns, and i've had plenty of 9mm 1911s

Photo's in order of purchase/acquisition:

Loaded
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1006493058_wJWAD-L.jpg

EMP
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1009301811_fyEgU-L.jpg

Edge
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-cwRfW4R/1/L/i-cwRfW4R-L.jpg

DW Guardian
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004748393_vcNh2-L-2.jpg

SACS mix/match pair
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-5hHCrmG/0/L/i-5hHCrmG-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1230043807_edcfA-L.jpg

Quack
07-17-2012, 06:20
STI Tactical 4.15
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-KHfkCXR/0/L/i-KHfkCXR-L.jpg

Harrison 2011
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-3HdnTgq/0/L/i-3HdnTgq-L.jpg

I used my Harrison 2011 in the Costa class last week with no issues. There was a lady that had a SA 9mm Loaded that had an issue with the ejector coming loose (glued in), so i lent her my STI Tactical rig. After the first mag, she wanted one.

pmwglock19
07-17-2012, 07:02
Does anyone have an S&W 1911 in 9 mm that they can comment on?

BuckyP
07-17-2012, 07:49
Does anyone have an S&W 1911 in 9 mm that they can comment on?

Had one, here are my comments on another forum.

There are two things I'd like to point out about the S&W Pro Series 9mms.

The first is the slide stop notch in the slide. It seems that there were many of these guns made where the slide stop notch doesn't lock the slide back far enough. So, if you do a slide lock reload, the slide may not get enough momentum going forward which could fail to chamber the round fully. The easiest way to tell if this model is cut "wrong" is to lock the slide back and look into the chamber. If you can fully see the disconnector, then this gun is fine. If you cannot see the disconnector at all, then you may have issues releasing a loaded gun from slide lock. However, if you sling shot the gun from slide lock, this shouldn't be an issue, and in fact "could" be beneficial.

Note: I had handled 5 of these guns. Two had the "issue", while the other three locked back further like most traditional 1911s.

The second issue concerns the grip safety and the firing pin safety. The grip safety blocks the trigger (as typical on most 1911s), however on the S&W it also lifts the firing pin safety out of the way. On mine, it was possible to grab the gun is such a way that you unblock the trigger, yet failed to lift the firing pin safety far enough of the way, resulting in a click when attempting to fire the gun. One of my friends gripped the gun in such away that 50% of his trigger pulls were clicks. While this is fixable with some tuning, it is something to consider.

pmwglock19
07-17-2012, 16:08
Thanks Buckyp for the info. I would like to keep my pistols all in 9mm, but definitely looking at getting a 1911. At my LGS they have a stainless S&W 1911 that I am looking at buying. Just don;t like the idea of having to buy and stock another caliber.

EKUJustice
07-17-2012, 21:47
Get an STI and then add the magwell etc. For a competition gun, sti makes a good gun. IN that price range you can get a trojan or save money and get a spartan. I run a spartan now with a dawson magwell, trigger job and vz slim grips and love it and it just runs. Gun cost me just over 600 for the base gun. Mags are key so check out tripp for 10 round or metalform "springfield" mags for 9 round. An aftec also works wonders for a 1911 9mm

pmwglock19
07-18-2012, 08:10
Thanks EKUJUSTICE for the advice. I wil definitely look into it.