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Fire_Medic
07-13-2012, 18:27
I only ask because I have a lot of it on hand, it works well for me on my 9mm and 40 FMJ loads, and quite well on my 45 ACP lead loads, and it meters great in my Dillon 550. I have 8# on long shot en route, but just curious as I do not see too much "recent" data on WSF in this caliber. Works great for full power 9mm and 40.......

Thanks
FM

WeeWilly
07-13-2012, 18:40
It should work OK with lighter bullets like 155gr. As you move up in bullet weight you will really start to lose ground to slower powders like Longshot.

_The_Shadow
07-13-2012, 20:45
The only two WSF loads shown in thw Hodgdon's 2012 annual are;
155 gr XTP
start at 6.8 @ 1100 fps 23,000 PSI
Max at 8.4 @ 1320 fps 35,600 PSI

180 gr Serria JHC
start at 5.7 @ 950 fps 25,000 PSI
Max at 7.1 @ 1150 fps 35,600 PSI

That all they list...sorry

Fire_Medic
07-13-2012, 20:50
The only two loads shown in thw Hodgdon's 2012 annual are;
155 gr XTP
start at 6.8 @ 1100 fps 23,000 PSI
Max at 8.4 @ 1320 fps 35,600 PSI

180 gr Serria JHC
start at 5.7 @ 950 fps 25,000 PSI
Max at 7.1 @ 1150 fps 35,600 PSI

That all they list...sorry

I appreciate the load data shadow thanks. Was really just looking more for perspective. Like I said I have a lot of Longshot en route and I know that works fine for the 180gr bullets that are en route to me too.

It's just been such a good powder for me for full power 9MM, 40SW, and 45 ACP, that I was curious about it is all.
i guess now with the 10MM using the same 40SW projectiles, and the ton of 40SW brass I still have on hand, I have an excuse to get another G35 or G22, lol.

:rollsmiley:

Meathead9
07-13-2012, 21:06
I load it in 9/40/45, and it's my favorite powder it for all 3. I haven't used it in 10mm, mostly because I have a bunch of Longshot & Blue Dot on the bench. Freakshow has posted that one of his favorite 10mm loads is 6.0gr WSF under anything 180gr, which he said chrono's around 1050fps.

Fire_Medic
07-13-2012, 21:19
I load it in 9/40/45, and it's my favorite powder it for all 3. I haven't used it in 10mm, mostly because I have a bunch of Longshot & Blue Dot on the bench. Freakshow has posted that one of his favorite 10mm loads is 6.0gr WSF under anything 180gr, which he said chrono's around 1050fps.


Thanks for the info I was looking for that because I remember him saying something about WSF in 10MM some time ago.

It is also my favorite powder for the big 3 (9/40/45) lead or jacketed, I eliminated the other powders I was using and it's much easier to just get an 8# jug of WSF every now and then. It also meters better in my machine than any other powder I have used to date, lol.

When the 10MM stuff arrives I will try some with WSF just for ****s and giggles.

:wavey:

Yondering
07-13-2012, 21:34
I've never used WSF, but you guys have me curious now. Can you tell me a bit about it? Ball or flake? The two burn rate charts I normally use place rank it quite differently, relative to AA7, Universal, and others. I'm guessing it's a good powder for +P 9mm loads? How is it for lighter plinking loads, especially in the lower pressure 45 ACP?

Fire_Medic
07-13-2012, 21:38
My best analogy has aways been that it's a cleaner burning and better metering version of Unique.........:supergrin:

nickE10mm
07-16-2012, 10:28
Fire.... I've not used WSF or WST but they are both on my list of powders to eventually try. I use W231 (actually, HP38, which is the same as W231) and W231 is very similar to WSF. Fast burning and not really a performance powder but VERY good for target loads....

gofastman
07-17-2012, 16:12
freakshow10mm is a big fan of the stuff from what I gather in my communications with him, and he seems to know a fair amount about reloading.

perhaps he will chime in here, or you could send him a PM.

Fire_Medic
07-17-2012, 16:18
freakshow10mm is a big fan of the stuff from what I gather in my communications with him, and he seems to know a fair amount about reloading.

perhaps he will chime in here, or you could send him a PM.

Yeah I sent him a pm earlier today for two different bits of info. He's the one that got me using Redding dies in my Dillon and got me to use WSF in 40SW to begin with. :supergrin:

MinervaDoe
07-27-2012, 14:47
freakshow10mm is a big fan of the stuff from what I gather in my communications with him, and he seems to know a fair amount about reloading.

perhaps he will chime in here, or you could send him a PM.

Freakshow has posted that one of his favorite 10mm loads is 6.0gr WSF under anything 180gr, which he said chrono's around 1050fps.
I've got a pound of WSF lying around, and now I know what to use it for. I have over a thousand cases of 10mm all waiting to be loaded again.

My best analogy has aways been that it's a cleaner burning and better metering version of Unique.........:supergrin:
... and I find that Unique works well for general purpose 10mm rounds.

gofastman
07-31-2012, 20:40
My best analogy has aways been that it's a cleaner burning and better metering version of Unique.
I decided to pick up a pound of WSF after reading this :wavey:

nickE10mm
07-31-2012, 20:47
I decided to pick up a pound of WSF after reading this :wavey:

Ill probably also get some WSF this weekend. :)

Yondering
07-31-2012, 23:43
I just picked up a pound of WSF this evening, mostly from the recommendation of you guys here, for my 9mm +P loads (see my 10-1mm load questions thread). Don't know if I'll use it for 10mm (I never use Unique for 10mm either), but by all accounts this sounds like a pretty useful powder.

nickE10mm
08-01-2012, 07:09
I just picked up a pound of WSF this evening, mostly from the recommendation of you guys here, for my 9mm +P loads (see my 10-1mm load questions thread). Don't know if I'll use it for 10mm (I never use Unique for 10mm either), but by all accounts this sounds like a pretty useful powder.

GT member "BuffaloBo" had some pretty impressive 180gr loads in the Winchester Powder Sticky.... I had always thought WSF was a faster, target-type powder rather than a performance powder. Its actually somewhere in between. Still, its excellent potential, high availability, modest charge weights, high consistency and easy metering appeal to me. I'll probably try it eventually.

I'm looking to try WSF, AA9 and AA7 (again) someday. So much to do, so little time.

_The_Shadow
08-01-2012, 08:24
GT member "BuffaloBo" had some pretty impressive 180gr loads in the Winchester Powder Sticky.... I had always thought WSF was a faster, target-type powder rather than a performance powder. Its actually somewhere in between. Still, its excellent potential, high availability, modest charge weights, high consistency and easy metering appeal to me. I'll probably try it eventually.

I'm looking to try WSF, AA9 and AA7 (again) someday. So much to do, so little time.

I'd be careful wit BuffaloBo's report I think he was loading 357Sig rounds not 10mm...Actual bullets were not described in some of his post!

nickE10mm
08-01-2012, 08:28
I'd be careful wit BuffaloBo's report I think he was loading 357Sig rounds not 10mm...Actual bullets were not described in some of his post!

I don't think so, .... although I know he mentioned 357sig in a few of his posts.... but his numbers look awfully high. (I could be wrong but it looks like 180gr 10mm)...

According to his data, WSF is more like AA5/AA7 than 231.

I'd be doing my own workups anyways using several sources of data, like always.... but his data was pretty impressive.

_The_Shadow
08-01-2012, 09:20
Nick, his data is propably good, but the way it was posted caused some concerns and or confusion. He kept saying "the same as above" meaning his earlier post where he used 231 which was stated as a 180gr. Then mentions the 357Sig in some post.
Personally I feel better when someone post all the data in the same posting.

Anyway you all get the picture...

nickE10mm
08-01-2012, 10:44
Nick, his data is propably good, but the way it was posted caused some concerns and or confusion. He kept saying "the same as above" meaning his earlier post where he used 231 which was stated as a 180gr. Then mentions the 357Sig in some post.
Personally I feel better when someone post all the data in the same posting.

Anyway you all get the picture...

Agreed 100%. Ahhh the joys of reloading data on the internet. :crying: :dunno: :cool:

MinervaDoe
08-01-2012, 15:41
Agreed 100%. Ahhh the joys of reloading data on the internet. :crying: :dunno: :cool:
Not to mention that you don't know if the poster is typing with stumps where his hands used to reside.

rvrrat14
08-03-2012, 06:53
I switched to WSF for 45 acp many moons ago. 6.9 with 200 gr Flying Ashtrays is deadly accurate, good velocity, and lower than usual pressures. Low pressure is a good trait of WSF. I asked about WSF with 155/165 gr bullets in the 10 mm some time back. Seems like it gives mediocre velocities but someone advised that pressure rises quickly on the upper end. Don't
Load 9mm yet but WSF would be the go-to for the G 19 too.
Should anyone see a 10mm load with 165s at or above 1200 I would take another look. For now I'm testing AA9 with 165 GDHPs from 1250 - 1350 fps. Still looking for the right load. I'll always use WSF on 45 as long as they make it.

Fire_Medic
08-03-2012, 18:47
I switched to WSF for 45 acp many moons ago. 6.9 with 200 gr Flying Ashtrays is deadly accurate, good velocity, and lower than usual pressures. Low pressure is a good trait of WSF. I asked about WSF with 155/165 gr bullets in the 10 mm some time back. Seems like it gives mediocre velocities but someone advised that pressure rises quickly on the upper end. Don't
Load 9mm yet but WSF would be the go-to for the G 19 too.
Should anyone see a 10mm load with 165s at or above 1200 I would take another look. For now I'm testing AA9 with 165 GDHPs from 1250 - 1350 fps. Still looking for the right load. I'll always use WSF on 45 as long as they make it.

Right now I'm using it for 45 & 9MM as well, and I just ordered another 8# jug because if the volume I am shooting 9MM these days and my current jug is running low.