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Berto
07-13-2012, 21:17
Still, I have to share this one.

Bond Arms, Texas Defender .357mag

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1548/bondreport002.jpg

I pulled the goofy trigger guard.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5515/bondreport003.jpg

Trigger is actually not bad, it has useful accuracy too.

I took it to the range today, along with a few other Derringer/spur triggered guns....

High Standard D100 .22lr

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2236/bondreport004.jpg

..and NAA Mini .22mag

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7930/bondreport006.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7682/bondreport007.jpg

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Berto
07-13-2012, 21:28
I don't have the time to go into real detail (will follow thru tomorrow), but they all did their thing pretty well, even out to 45ft.

I used Win 145gr Silvertips .357mag, Mini Mags in .22lr and Maxi Mag 30gr HP's in the .22mag.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7206/bondreport009.jpg

The Bond with the Silvertips was well centered even out past 15yrds, up and down was maybe 4-5" at 21ft between barrels.

Recoil is not bad, but it booms pretty good.:supergrin:

This was 15 at 21ft, using center of bull hold.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3750/bondreport010.jpg

More later.:wavey:

Tim151515
07-13-2012, 21:32
I dont have one, but I put the Desert Eagle in that group. Cool factor is def there...but if I want a large magnum round, I will take a revolver.

ChiefWPD
07-13-2012, 21:33
I respectfully suggest that the Hi-Standard series of derringers (the D-100 and 101 / .22 lr and .22 mag versions) were not useless but rather well thought out handguns. I own both models. Nothing I'd want to bring to a gunfight, but for those days when you don't want to carry a "real" gun, they are far better than angry words.

This is my "carry" D-101. The ductape is to keep debris out of a small hole in the grip (normally covered by the plastic grip panels). Makes for a very compact handgun.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l149/RichCapeCod/Firearms/IMG_3507_Hi-StandardD-101_07-01-11-1.jpg

This is the gun in it's pocket holster. It's invisible when worn.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l149/RichCapeCod/Firearms/IMG_4522_D-101PocketHolster_07-09-11.jpg

My two other Hi-Standard derringers. Only fired on occasion.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l149/RichCapeCod/Firearms/IMG_4479_Hi-StandardD-101D-100_07-07-11.jpg

Kadetklapp
07-13-2012, 21:35
Had an NAA .22 Mag. Dangerous little gun.

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Berto
07-13-2012, 21:41
The D100 actually is one of the few Derringers I've seen that actually holds POI pretty close to aim out to pretty good distances- I'll show that when I finish the pics tomorrow.
I like the DA too.

hogship
07-13-2012, 22:03
I pulled the goofy trigger guard.



I'd be willing to bet that screwball looking trigger guard has something to do with the drop test necessary for sales to CA.:dunno:.......Anyway, it probably has something to do with regulations or legal restrictions, rather than purchasers actually wanting the darn thing! :steamed:

These guns aren't totally useless, but there are far better choices for a defensive gun.

ooc

My DA, in 38spl:
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1401653/393014275.jpg

adamg01
07-13-2012, 23:46
The Taurus Judge always came off as a novelty gun. :whistling:

bac1023
07-14-2012, 02:07
Cool pics, Berto :cool:

H3ADHUNT3R
07-14-2012, 02:33
I have a friend who is selling his Bond Arms Texas Defender .357mag for $350. Is that a good price? Should I buy it and run? lol. Only difference is the grip is a silver and black color.

SGT HATRED
07-14-2012, 02:49
I'd put this in the cool but useless category... Spikes tactical 9mm AR "pistol"
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q37/Merlin-X/2012-03-03171653.jpg

Highspeedlane
07-14-2012, 09:07
That .357 over/under must be utterly brutal with full power ammo.

ctfireman
07-14-2012, 09:15
I'm a sucker for cool but useless. I own a bond .45 / .410 snake slayer & a desert eagle .50.

Nakanokalronin
07-14-2012, 10:38
My little NAA .22lr fits nicely in the watch/Zippo pocket on a pair of jeans. It's like a back-up to the back-up. :tongueout:


http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg804/scaled.php?server=804&filename=naa22lr2.jpg&res=landingI actually want to get their newest model called the "Sidewinder" with flip out cylinder.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/gallery/161/2027NAA_Sidewinder2968_web.jpg

http://northamericanarms.com/sidewinder

NeverMore1701
07-14-2012, 11:11
My "cool but useless" gun:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mpS6X__cfjw/T-pYmSaF2qI/AAAAAAAAAxQ/35itQGfdA8Y/s1600/5.JPG

CigarandScotch
07-14-2012, 11:15
I wouldn't exactly call my Desert Eagle useless. I have a 6" .44 barrel for target/range fun and a 10" .50AE barrel with a 4X Leupold scope that I have taken numerous deer with. I love it. Maybe not the most practical gun, but certainly not useless. They seem to get a lot of hate, but people at the range often stop what they are doing and come over to talk and/or try it out whenever I bring it along. It's quite accurate, too. I have the .50 zeroed at 100 yards and keep groups within 5 inches from a bench rest at that distance.

Berto
07-14-2012, 13:21
I guess 'useless' comes off harsh.....I will use my useless guns, it's just an acknowledgement that they may not be as practical as most others.

I have a friend who is selling his Bond Arms Texas Defender .357mag for $350. Is that a good price? Should I buy it and run? lol. Only difference is the grip is a silver and black color

That's maybe a fair buy, mine was just over $400 new. If you want the gun, it's probably worth it...they aren't going to be guns you typically find with much, if any real use or mileage.
If you're just wanting to try the thing for ****s and giggles, I'd feel uncomfortable spending over $300.

That .357 over/under must be utterly brutal with full power ammo.

I was surprised how mild it was, really.
It weighs 20oz, about the same as a steel J frame...so it's not terrible.

DustyJacket
07-14-2012, 13:25
Only useless gun is one that won't fire, or is empty.

Even then, some make a cool club....

BuckyP
07-14-2012, 14:12
Always though the COP would fall into this category, but they look pretty cool.

Stevekozak
07-14-2012, 14:24
Only useless gun is one that won't fire, or is empty.

Even then, some make a cool club....
These are my feelings on the subject as well!! :wavey:

glock2740
07-14-2012, 14:42
I dont have one, but I put the Desert Eagle in that group. Cool factor is def there...but if I want a large magnum round, I will take a revolver.
I agree. My buddy had the .44 DE and .50 DE and another buddy had the .357 DE. I have ZERO desire to ever own one. Yeah, the .50 was cool, but the .44 and .357 didn't do a thing for me, as at the time, I had a 7.5" Ruger RH in .44 that would out shoot it all day long and the guy that had the .44 and .50 had a Python and I had a GP100 that would out shoot the .357 DE all day long too. The DE's are just too heavy and bulky and also kind of ugly IMO.

The_Gun_Guru
07-14-2012, 17:01
I have a few that are pretty much just conversation pieces too:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/The%20AKs/photobucket-2707-1324501208271.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/MISC%20Pistols/12b8cf3e.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/MISC%20Pistols/7c182c17.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/MISC%20Pistols/P3290198.jpg

8mm Blank guns:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/Blank%20Firing%20Guns/0318091017a.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/Blank%20Firing%20Guns/0318090934.jpg

Sometimes the useless ones are the most fun!!!

TGG

collim1
07-14-2012, 17:19
My grandfather carried a .32 derringer for most of his life. Unfortunately another cousin got it and quickly sold it.

I have no use for it, but would love to find one similar to his just to have.

Glock40man
07-14-2012, 18:05
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/gunguru364/MISC%20Pistols/12b8cf3e.jpg



TGG

I shot a SP-01 not to long ago, great pistol IMO.

Glock40man
07-14-2012, 18:06
My "cool but useless" gun:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mpS6X__cfjw/T-pYmSaF2qI/AAAAAAAAAxQ/35itQGfdA8Y/s1600/5.JPG

Nice!:cool:

The_Gun_Guru
07-14-2012, 18:08
My grandfather carried a .32 derringer for most of his life. Unfortunately another cousin got it and quickly sold it.

I have no use for it, but would love to find one similar to his just to have.

I would rather have my grandfather's! Your cousin is a tool:steamed: You can tell him I said so!


TGG

dhoomonyou
07-14-2012, 19:02
Most anything made by Kimber.

collim1
07-14-2012, 19:18
I would rather have my grandfather's! Your cousin is a tool:steamed: You can tell him I said so!


TGG

I agree! He probably pawned it for enough cash to pick up a 1/5 of vodka and two packs of smokes.

hogship
07-14-2012, 19:47
I agree! He probably pawned it for enough cash to pick up a 1/5 of vodka and two packs of smokes.

Oh man......that is just plain sad. I suppose we all have to deal with certain members of our families that just don't have any concept of preserving family history........:steamed:

ooc

garya1961
07-14-2012, 20:33
My Grandpa lived to be 99 and carried a Baby Browning. I remember seeing it several times but no one seems to know what happened to it.

AZL
07-14-2012, 21:49
My most useless gun was an X Frame in 500 Magnum....what in the name of Hello Dolly am I ever going to actually USE this one for?

Too big to tote comfortably on horseback...even in a good crossdraw holster on a stiff belt.

It didn't really DO anything my 4" Model 629 Mountain gun won't do better from a deer and pig perspective here in Arizona.

BUT...all that being said...I still liked it, even though I didn't have a specific "use" for it.

Angry Fist
07-14-2012, 21:50
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz13/MO_FUGGAZ/SaigaHavoc2.jpg

RJ's Guns
07-14-2012, 21:52
My Grandpa lived to be 99 and carried a Baby Browning. I remember seeing it several times but no one seems to know what happened to it.


In what manner is a Baby Browning a useless gun? I have found a Lightweight Baby Browning (and the regular blue Baby Browning) to be anything but useless. My Lightweight Baby Browning is the most concealable handgun that I own. If I am going somewhere where deep concealment is a high priority and a Seecamp 380 is just too big, a Lightweight Baby Browning is what I carry. A 25 acp may not be the ultimate man stopper but it is better than being unarmed.

RJ

AZL
07-14-2012, 22:39
In what manner is a Baby Browning a useless gun? I have found a Lightweight Baby Browning (and the regular blue Baby Browning) to be anything but useless. My Lightweight Baby Browning is the most concealable handgun that I own. If I am going somewhere where deep concealment is a high priority and a Seecamp 380 is just too big, a Lightweight Baby Browning is what I carry. A 25 acp may not be the ultimate man stopper but it is better than being unarmed.

RJ

I have to agree with RJ here. A .25 wouldn't be my first choice...but way back all them years ago when I started as a cop...a .25 was as close to a true pocket gun as we had back then. Remember...back in 88 the Seecamp was an EXPENSIVE proposition with a year long wait to get. The PPK and PPK/S as well as the Beretta Model 85 were about as compact as you could realistically get in a .380 and a compact 9mm was a Smith & Wesson Model 469!

I had (still have) a Smith Model 37 Airweight with a bobbed hammer for my jacket pocket...but it was hard to carry hidden in the hot Tucson summer.

That little Colt .25 was nice to have in my trouser pocket.

ColdDayInHell
07-14-2012, 22:45
Damn you MA for not allowing Bond Arms' firearms! I have seen these in Guns and Ammo and NRA magazines but cannot buy them in a retail gun shop. :(

vikingsoftpaw
07-14-2012, 22:46
How about Dardick's and Gyrojets? Cool but, useful as teets on a bull.

S&W .22 Jet - I guess they needed to prove WHY bottleneck cartridges aren't a good idea in revolvers.

garya1961
07-14-2012, 22:50
My grandfather carried a .32 derringer for most of his life. Unfortunately another cousin got it and quickly sold it.

I have no use for it, but would love to find one similar to his just to have.
I was referring to this post. There are a lot of guns listed here that I wouldn't consider useless including the Baby Browning.
My Grandpa told me how he got it. He was seeing a young lady in town when he was a young man and she gave him the Browning to carry on his way home because some of the local boys didn't like the idea of my Grandpa seeing one of their girls. She married a guy who owned the cotton mills in town and became very wealthy. I carried my Grandpa to see her when he was in his 90's . On the way home he said don't you tell Sally (Grandma).

AZL
07-14-2012, 23:16
I was referring to this post. There are a lot of guns listed here that I wouldn't consider useless including the Baby Browning.
My Grandpa told me how he got it. He was seeing a young lady in town when he was a young man and she gave him the Browning to carry on his way home because some of the local boys didn't like the idea of my Grandpa seeing one of their girls. She married a guy who owned the cotton mills in town and became very wealthy. I carried my Grandpa to see her when he was in his 90's . On the way home he said don't you tell Sally (Grandma).

How scandalous!

That's a great story. I rescued my Pap's (paternal grandfather) 4" M&P from the pawn shop my brother almost lost it to after my Dad died. Thank God the owner of the pawn shop had been an old friend of my Dad and let me redeem it the day AFTER it expired. That old pencil barrel M&P will be around for MY daughter.

mark68
07-15-2012, 00:55
The Bond Arms Derringer is a fun gun to have. Get hold of Bond and order a competition spring to help the hammer pull. Makes a heck of a difference. I have no problem trusting the guns reliability (built like a tank). But, I do like to have more than 2 rounds in my carry gun...

Sheepdog Scout
07-15-2012, 01:48
My Vz 61. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/Master_Mold/DSC00938.jpg

It's a cool pistol. But being the semi-auto version of the subgun. It's a gigantic pistol that fires a rather weak round.

I'll still sbr it someday though. :)

pennlineman
07-15-2012, 05:54
I have not shot this gun in years.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt250/pennlineman/DSCF1257.jpg

Actually I used to carry it quite a bit. I really need to get it out to the range, it's amazing how well these little guns shoot.

alwaysshootin
07-15-2012, 08:25
The little derringers are what they are, and do a good job at what they were intended for. Up close, personal, and last ditch effort kind of scenario. I personally would love to own a Bond Arms, and will some day.

As far as a Dessert Eagle? Seriously? Useless? Not only is the DE, at the top of the cool scale, I find it to be the most fun of big bore handguns to shoot, and, definitely, makes the 44 magnum a real treat at the range. Not to mention the tight groups achieved at 100 yards. Makes for a great hunting pistol, IMHO!

mark68
07-15-2012, 19:42
The Dessert Eagle is a cool gun. And if I could find one that wasn't $1,500, I would buy one. I would love to have one in 44 mag. When I was seriously looking I found some that had heavy machine marks on the out side of the slide. Have they gotten better with their finishing?

Berto
07-15-2012, 22:03
Here's some more of the Bond , HS and NAA range pics.

Ammo was .357mag Silvertips for the 'head shots' and Rem .38sp +P 125gr sjhp for the COM. CCI Mini Mag and MAvi Mag+V in the HS and NAA Mini, respectively.

LOts of up and down stringing at 15yrds with the Silvertips, but right along the centerline. A few tumbled with the +P Rem .38sp, but still usable accuracy at 21ft.

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/7320/morebond001.jpg

The High Standard is deceptively capable, even well past typical derringer ranges.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3364/morebond004.jpg

The NAA shot pretty well too, but it definitely likes the 40gr stuff better. The 30gr HP Maxi Mags chrono a good 1100fps in these guns, but half of them showed some yaw on paper, which doesn't exactly benefit accuracy.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4161/morebond007.jpg

Not the easiest guns for making pretty groups on paper, but they certainly can be good enough at realistic handgun ranges...and they always work, too.

mac66
07-16-2012, 07:38
Cool but useless guns I've owned or still owned

NA 22 mag- yup, cool but pretty much useless, I think one would be better off with a knife -sold-

Tec 9- cool but an inaccurate, unreliable POS -sold-

Snake Charmer 410 shotgun-Not quite a full sized shotgun, not a handgun, no sights, no real stock, single shot. No snakes worth shooting in my state. It is well made but I've never really figured out what it is good for. It is cool however and I still have it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/snake-ultra-compact2.gif

hoghunter82
07-16-2012, 17:00
Gen 4 or late model Gen 3 Glock in 9mm.

Masterpiece Arms MPA-22T. Total POS!!


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hogship
07-16-2012, 18:55
Gen 4 or late model Gen 3 Glock in 9mm.

Masterpiece Arms MPA-22T. Total POS!!


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Hey.......how about telling us about your experience with the Masterpiece........

ooc

hoghunter82
07-16-2012, 19:19
Hey.......how about telling us about your experience with the Masterpiece........

ooc

Bought it for my son. He loved the MAC-10 look and I couldn't find a lot about it online at the time. Comes in a really nice case and it looks really cool. That is where the good stuff ends and the trouble starts. Biggest issue is that the bolt is just too darn heavy to actuate a .22 cartridge reliably. The false suppressor was constantly falling off the front of the gun. I had to send it back twice on my dime and it never got right. The primary problem was jams and stovepipes with any type of ammo. When it worked it was fun to shoot but you could NEVER go 10 rounds without an empty shell getting lodged between the bolt and upper thus causing you to disassemble the gun. No fun with a 10 year old who just wants his gun to shoot. There was also issues with roll pins but I cant recall exactly what was going on because I had to order a bag full of pins. I think the pins went into the bolt and were constantly shearing off and falling out. Since that time we got a M&P 15-22 and Browning Buckmark which are both flawless. I simply cannot recommend the MPA-22T based on my horrible experience.


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Veedubklown
07-17-2012, 14:32
My Vz 61. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/Master_Mold/DSC00938.jpg

It's a cool pistol. But being the semi-auto version of the subgun. It's a gigantic pistol that fires a rather weak round.

I'll still sbr it someday though. :)

Yeah I got something like that :wavey:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/2012-06-13_20-33-26_250.jpg

This iver-johnson top-break 32S&W is right up there, too.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e197/veedubklown/Firearms/3c914c0a.jpg

uptomyneck
07-17-2012, 15:13
I have no idea why, but I bought this .460 Weatherby a few years ago. I was thinking of SBRing it.

http://i47.tinypic.com/ncxsfp.jpg

hogship
07-17-2012, 21:41
I have no idea why, but I bought this .460 Weatherby a few years ago. I was thinking of SBRing it.

http://i47.tinypic.com/ncxsfp.jpg

Curious as to why you'd cut the barrel short on that.......?

You might want to consider selling it at a good price, getting something else to SBR......like something in semi-auto.

ooc

hogship
07-17-2012, 21:46
Here's another cool and useless gun. CVA 45cal derringer. I paid about $65 or $75 for it about 5yrs ago.........(Can't remember for sure what I paid for it.)

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/392973034.jpg

Berto
07-18-2012, 15:10
Here's another cool and useless gun. CVA 45cal derringer. I paid about $65 or $75 for it about 5yrs ago.........(Can't remember for sure what I paid for it.)

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/392973034.jpg

I have one exactly like that, I built it from the kit when I was a teenager.