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mikesus
07-14-2012, 19:10
WRAL in Raleigh NC has decided to publish a searchable list of concealed handgun permit holders (they did exclude names but left enough other identifying characteristics to be able to identify individuals). they were asked to remove street data and have refused. Please go to

https://www.change.org/petitions/wral-stop-endangering-domestic-violence-victims-and-rape-victims-and-others-with-handgun-permits

And sign for all permit holders that we don't want this behavior to stand.

every time someone signs, WRAL, CBS and 2 senators get emails urging them to correct this.

If we don't stop this now, your state maybe next.

USSOCOM
07-14-2012, 19:54
This is a dangerous thing. At one time the Greensboro Daily News and Fish Wrap published a list of the names and other pertinent info on new CCW permits issued in the county. That was stopped in its tracks.

Silver_Bullet_00
07-14-2012, 19:57
You beat me to it mike. Was about to post it.

Tiro Fijo
07-15-2012, 02:58
This is a dangerous thing...


But an even far more dangerous thing is to restrict the public's access to public info. Where do you draw the line? Freedom has a price.

However, I am for a compromise of sorts. Make the info public, BUT non-publishable and if someone wants to view the register they need to come into the office, present ID and view the register, but no photos or copies.

jph02
07-15-2012, 06:58
WRAL in Raleigh NC has decided to publish a searchable list of concealed handgun permit holders...

And sign for all permit holders that we don't want this behavior to stand.

every time someone signs, WRAL, CBS and 2 senators get emails urging them to correct this.

If we don't stop this now, your state maybe next.
Done. I also encourage anyone in WRAL's area to email the station manager, call the station during business hours, and email advertisers telling them you will no longer do business with them if they continue to support WRAL's invasion of privacy.

But an even far more dangerous thing is to restrict the public's access to public info. Where do you draw the line? Freedom has a price.

However, I am for a compromise of sorts. Make the info public, BUT non-publishable and if someone wants to view the register they need to come into the office, present ID and view the register, but no photos or copies.
Seriously? Public info? I'd like the state to put the driver license database on line so I can look up where you live and what kind of car you drive. Is that what you'd like to see? How about your kids' grades in school if they attend schools funded by taxpayers? How about records of things you bought at the store on which sales tax was assessed?

Public info is city council minutes and records of votes by elected representatives and decisions on matters of governmental regulations. It should not include exposing the privacy of individuals who are simply exercising their constitutional rights because the state has added a regulatory requirement to obtain a license to exercise that right. :shakehead:

Drain You
07-15-2012, 07:09
"change".org you say? I signed the petition but then was hit with 5 more suggested ones and 3 of them were downright commie BS & the other 2 I rolled my eyes at.

kirgi08
07-15-2012, 08:23
But an even far more dangerous thing is to restrict the public's access to public info. Where do you draw the line? Freedom has a price.

However, I am for a compromise of sorts. Make the info public, BUT non-publishable and if someone wants to view the register they need to come into the office, present ID and view the register, but no photos or copies.

It's none of no ones business..............

A person makes a choice,they get a CCW.Whose business is that?. They met the legal requirements and deserve their privacy.It is NOT public info,the holder entered an agreement with the state,not the public.

These yahoos want ta make a persons decision/s ta defend themselves a matter of public record. :faint:

The 2A has been compromised beyond any type of reason the founders could ever foresee.NC is an OC state and that's how we carry,however any resident that decides ta take the course and CCW has the expectation ta the privacy said contract.

You can't unring a bell.'08.

mikesus
07-15-2012, 09:36
Yeah change.org gotta love irony ;)

Silver_Bullet_00
07-15-2012, 09:58
"change".org you say? I signed the petition but then was hit with 5 more suggested ones and 3 of them were downright commie BS & the other 2 I rolled my eyes at.

LOL yeah change.org is what the libs use for anti-gun and other agenda LOL
Ironic, I thought it was pretty funny myself using there tools for conservative issues.

NC Bullseye
07-15-2012, 11:48
If you're going to take the time to voice a concern why waste your time by complaining to a company that is doing something that is currently legal?

Instead why not voice your concerns to someone that actually can do something to change this? Contact your state representatives and tell them you want a change in the laws making the CHP data not for public dissemination based on personal security concerns.

On-line petitions, polls, blogs, etc carry little to no weight in current times but a phone call, letter written, or email WILL be noticed at your representatives office.

jph02
07-15-2012, 14:02
If you're going to take the time to voice a concern why waste your time by complaining to a company that is doing something that is currently legal?

Instead why not voice your concerns to someone that actually can do something to change this? Contact your state representatives and tell them you want a change in the laws making the CHP data not for public dissemination based on personal security concerns.

On-line petitions, polls, blogs, etc carry little to no weight in current times but a phone call, letter written, or email WILL be noticed at your representatives office.

Complaining to a company: businesses understand sales and profits (or advertising revenue in this case). Money talks. If enough customers complain, the business will change its behavior.

Voice your concerns to someone that can actually do something: Great idea. If you'd checked the petition, it said it emailed state senators on the issue. The other problem, obviously, is NC representatives could care less what anyone outside the state has to say. You might argue the same is true for WRAL, but we can all influence their advertisers.

Phone call, letter written, or email WILL be noticed at your representatives office: This just makes me laugh. That would be why both my senators and US rep simply sent me form letters telling me Obamacare was the greatest thing in the world when I asked them to explain how they thought it was constitutional and urged them to vote against it. Politicians only tow the party line and only care what lobbyists have to say cuz that's where the money is.

dwhite53
07-15-2012, 20:01
Emailed the author and webmaster a link to the Ohio gunowners website about the dirt they found on the editor of the Sandusky Register who felt obligated to do the same. Google it. Good read.

Hopefully someone will take a little time to see what dirt these three have that is public record.

All the Best
Doug White

MIKES LAW
07-15-2012, 21:43
Signed petition.

WRAL is a dem rag.

Two Guns
07-15-2012, 21:49
OK I signed the petition.

redbaron007
07-16-2012, 09:41
Forget about signing this petition....contact your legislators direct. These 'on-line' petitions often are ways to acquire information on people and really don't do squat.

Contacting your legislators direct would be the best thing, instead of this non-binding questionable petition.

Just my $.02.

:wavey:

red

Silver_Bullet_00
07-16-2012, 13:24
Forget about signing this petition....contact your legislators direct. These 'on-line' petitions often are ways to acquire information on people and really don't do squat.

Contacting your legislators direct would be the best thing, instead of this non-binding questionable petition.

Just my $.02.

:wavey:

red

Every time someone signs, 2 legislators, CBS, WRAL, and The Data Company CEO are getting emails. This is along with our locals who have made calls to our legislators offices, and contact to http://www.grnc.org/ Grass Roots North Carolina, who has sent an email of concern out.

There's your $.02 cents refund back. :supergrin::tongueout::cool:

Silver_Bullet_00
07-16-2012, 13:27
We are trying to put pressure on them to take it down. Please sign the Petition link in the ops first post. Create a gmail if your don't like giving your primary email. Your help is greatly appreciated, as it could be your state next.

No permit required to conceal carry would be great, but right now we are stuck with how it is, and just because we have to go through all these channels of our government to carry and earn our second amendment right ( like it is a privilege instead of a right), doesn't mean they should be allowed to give that info away, or put us on a list like outcast members of society, just because we choose to responsibly protect our family and selves. This list is just a starting point for the anti-gun crowd, if they get away with this, they will take bigger steps!

Silver_Bullet_00
07-16-2012, 13:36
To a Mod
Could this be a Sticky for a little while?
This is an important concealed carry and privacy issue in NC, and should be of concern to everyone else.
Thanks

vafish
07-16-2012, 15:22
Someone needs to post the names and home addresses of all the papers editors and reporters on line.

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jph02
07-16-2012, 18:02
To a Mod
Could this be a Sticky for a little while?
This is an important concealed carry and privacy issue in NC, and should be of concern to everyone else.
Thanks
I agree it's an important issue but its only gotten 20 replies in 2 days. I'm not a mod, however I'm not thinking it warrants a sticky. Just my .02.

Silver_Bullet_00
07-16-2012, 18:12
Someone needs to post the names and home addresses of all the papers editors and reporters on line.

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

C&P

Seems GRNC (Grass Roots North Carolina) is going to fight their kind of fight and give them a taste of "public information".........

DELIVER A MESSAGE TO WRAL-TV

On Thursday, WRAL-TV published an article on its site entitled “Rural areas lead in concealed weapons permit rates.” Unfortunately, within the article a section entitled “Find concealed carry permit-holders in your area” contained a database of permit-holders searchable by address, potentially revealing to criminals the homes from which firearms may be stolen.

WRAL web editor Kelly Hinchcliffe responded to complaints by insisting that permit information is public record, ignoring the fact that obtaining it requires a written request to the State Bureau of Investigation. Moreover, although the names of permit-holders were not disclosed, the partial address information (including apartment numbers), particularly on small streets, makes it possible for criminals to target specific homes for theft.

A lengthy conversation with WRAL General Manager Steve Hammel, while pleasant, produced no significant movement on the part of the station. Their position is that they have sufficiently de-identified the address information. When it was noted that street numbers had appeared initially for some records, he noted that it had been corrected by Friday. He also said they would “look at” trailing apartment numbers which are still part of the addresses. But the bottom line is that the station refuses to pull the link.

TIME FOR ACTION

It has been longstanding policy at GRNC that any media attempt to invade the privacy of either handgun purchase permit-holders or concealed handgun permit-holders would be met with economic action against the media outlet and its advertisers. It is now time for you to act: Help GRNC make an example that will leave an impression on media outlets to discourage them from further acts of journalistic irresponsibility!

GLASS HOUSES?

In an apparent attempt to shame gun owners, some media outlets have a history of publishing the names of gun purchasers. But that was many years ago, before the advent of the Internet. Things are now far more reciprocal. So let’s talk a bit about reporter Mark Binker, the apparent engineer of the piece to reveal concealed handgun permit-holders.

But first, an admonition: DO NOT THREATEN OR HARASS MARK BINKER. If you contact him to express your disappointment with the article …

BE POLITE, DO NOT THREATEN,
and CALL OR EMAIL ONLY ONCE!

MEET MARK BINKER

Mark Gerald Binker is an up-and-coming reporter. After making an excellent career move in leaving the Greensboro News & Record just three months ago, he landed a job with WRAL-TV. Mark and his lovely wife, Marla J. Binker, reside at 17XX Chadstone Ct., Raleigh, NC 27615-7403. His cell number is 919-621-0970 and his work email is mbinker@wral.com.

Mark has exceptional media experience, including:
1987-1991, 1997: Interim Reporter, Capital News Service, College Park, MD.
1996-1997: Associate Editor, CD Publications, Silver Springs, MD.
1998-2000: Suburban Staff Writer, Philadelphia Enquirer, Philadelphia, PA
2000-2005: Business/ local/ government Reporter, News & Record, Greensboro, NC
2005-March 2012: State Government & Politics Reporter, News & Record, Greensboro, NC
March 2012- Present: Multimedia Investigative Reporter, WRAL TV, Raleigh, NC

Mr. Binker is also very well educated, having received his Bachelor of Arts in Psychology (1995) at The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD; and his Masters of Arts in Journalism (1997 University of Maryland, College Park, MD).

Happily, Mark is one of the few reporters who is not a registered Democrat. According to the State Board of Elections, he is registered as Unaffiliated, with a gender of male, a race of white, and an ethnicity of “undesignated.” His voter registration number is 000099949361, his registration date is 08/29/2005, and his precinct is 01-42. For better or worse, he is, in fact, eligible to vote.

But it is Mark’s family for which he truly deserves commendation. In addition to his lovely wife Marla, whom he married slightly less than twelve years ago, Mark enjoys two fine sons, Mason and Max. (Mark, Marla, Mason and Max. Cute, no?)

Marla herself seems quite talented, with photo credits to her name, plus what appears to be a fascinating history of her family, from which it appears her maiden name was Smith and her family, perhaps, originally Jewish Russian. She keeps extensive photo albums of the family’s activities, including a Portland vacation, Christmases, birthday parties, pony rides and sailing expeditions in Washington state’s Gig Harbor.

But Mark is no slouch either, as evidenced by “adventures of the Binker family in Raleigh, NC.” The Binkers enjoy Disneyland vacations and, apparently, a strong family bond.

In deference to the fact that Mark’s article didn’t QUITE reveal the most personal information of concealed handgun permit-holders, we have withheld Mark’s exact address and additional information about his family even though they are available on the Internet as what WRAL apologist Kelly Hinchcliffe calls “public information.”


Immediate Action Required

We need you to do three things:

1. CONTACT WRAL GENERAL MANAGER STEVE HAMMEL and let him know that you will shun both the station and its advertisers until such time that the concealed handgun permit-holder search engine is removed and an apology is made to NC permit-holders;
2. CONTACT WRAL ADVERTISER CHRIS LEITH DODGE and let them know they are advertising with a media outlet bent on attacking gun rights, and that they should withdraw their advertising immediately.
3. CONTACT WRAL REPORTER MARK BINKER and politely let him know you don’t appreciate the invasion of the privacy of concealed handgun permit-holders.

CONTACT INFO

WRAL-TV General Manager STEVE HAMMEL: Email shammel@wral.com AND call him personally in his office at: 919-821-8520

WRAL advertiser CHRIS LEATH: Email sales@chrisleithdodge.com AND call him personally in his office at: 919-821-8520

Contact WRAL reporter MARK BINKER at: Aw, heck, you probably saw that in the article above.

Deliver This Message

Again: DO NOT BE RUDE OR THREATENING
-----------------------------------------------------------
To Chris Leith Dodge:

Dear Mr. Leith:

Unfortunately, your advertising dollars are being used to attack my rights. I’m sorry you have been caught up in this, but one of your major advertising venues, WRAL-TV, has attacked the rights of lawful North Carolina gun owners, subjecting them to criminal predation by releasing nearly complete addresses of concealed handgun permit-holders.

As you are probably aware, NC concealed handgun permit-holders are overwhelmingly law-abiding, politically conservative and fiscally responsible, making us your best customers.

Although I’m sure you have no intent to attack the right to keep and bear arms, your advertising dollars are being used to do precisely that. As such, I am asking you to contact WRAL and tell them to stop attacking law-abiding citizens and apologize for the attacks they have so far made.

If they fail to respond to your entreaties, I further ask that you withdraw all advertising expenditures from the station and let me know so that I can tout your Dodge truck dealership to lawful gun owners statewide as one who supports the rights of lawful Americans.

I look forward to patronizing your dealerships as supporters of the United States Constitution.

Respectfully,

-----------------------------------------------------

To WRAL & Mark Binker:

Gentlemen:

I find it difficult to fathom that you would be so journalistically irresponsible as to publish even partial addresses of concealed handgun permit-holders. Ignoring the fact that this group is overwhelmingly responsible, with a rate of criminal prosecutions just a fraction of the general population; ignoring the fact that permit-holders are threats to no one, making their location irrelevant to your readership, it amazes me that your legal department would allow you to print what may be tantamount to an invitation to burglarize unoccupied homes.

Your claims that the information is already public ring hollow: In truth, getting it requires a written inquiry from the State Bureau of Investigation. In truth, you are compromising the personal information of law-abiding North Carolinians not for public benefit, but instead as part of your effort to undermine the right to keep and bear arms.

Remove the information from your site immediately and make apologies to the concealed handgun permit-holders you have threatened. If you fail to do so, I will not only stop patronizing your station and website, I will actively work to deny you advertising revenue.

Respectfully,

redbaron007
07-16-2012, 20:28
Every time someone signs, 2 legislators, CBS, WRAL, and The Data Company CEO are getting emails. This is along with our locals who have made calls to our legislators offices, and contact to http://www.grnc.org/ Grass Roots North Carolina, who has sent an email of concern out.

There's your $.02 cents refund back. :supergrin::tongueout::cool:

If you think this website is sending that many emails and the legislators are paying any attention to them, I have some land for sale you need. Sorry, but this website is more or less a waiste of resources.

Silver bullet 00 is on the right track, but your legislators are the only ones that can prevent this from happening again. Contact them too......ASAP!

:wavey:

red

NC Bullseye
07-16-2012, 20:32
If everyone that was thinking of signing an on line petition would instead take the time to write a well thought out, business style letter to their representatives instead you'd stand a far better chance of getting the support in state legislature to do something about it.

Bulk emails from any organization do little compared to when you could do it as an individual and in a business like manor. Take the time to call, write, and email.

Silver_Bullet_00
07-16-2012, 20:41
If everyone that was thinking of signing an on line petition would instead take the time to write a well thought out, business style letter to their representatives instead you'd stand a far better chance of getting the support in state legislature to do something about it.

Bulk emails from any organization do little compared to when you could do it as an individual and in a business like manor. Take the time to call, write, and email.

That is true. Thanks. Everyone is encouraged to please write a well thought out letter.

The petition is only a quick first step to gain attention. You can do both. The petition is there, as not everyone in the country would take the time to write out a well thought out letter on this NC issue.

Silver_Bullet_00
07-16-2012, 20:56
If you think this website is sending that many emails and the legislators are paying any attention to them, I have some land for sale you need. Sorry, but this website is more or less a waiste of resources.

Silver bullet 00 is on the right track, but your legislators are the only ones that can prevent this from happening again. Contact them too......ASAP!

:wavey:

red

Thanks for the suggestion.

Many of us are contacting legislators. We realize not everyone on these websites will sign on, but I do not believe it to be a waist of resources. If this post informed just 5 people in the public, it was not a waist. Not much resource went into it anyway, as it doesn't take much time to create and post:cool:.

redbaron007
07-17-2012, 17:50
Thanks for the suggestion.

Many of us are contacting legislators. We realize not everyone on these websites will sign on, but I do not believe it to be a waist of resources. If this post informed just 5 people in the public, it was not a waist. Not much resource went into it anyway, as it doesn't take much time to create and post:cool:.

Posting and bringing light to this arrogant activity is fantastic and I applaud it. However, signing an online petition that is being presented by an online petitioning site, mainly to gather names and emails, is of no help. The representatives will look at these emails supposedly sent to them with a grain of salt....they get these types of emails frequently.

Representatives respond to the real voices and letters; not to automated emails from third party sites. So, to pinpoint frustration at their ignorant reporting by the station and their advertisers is not bad at all. Pinpointing to them and the reps will create a larger stir/wave.

Keep the ball rolling!! :supergrin:

:wavey:

red

Silver_Bullet_00
07-17-2012, 21:26
Posting and bringing light to this arrogant activity is fantastic and I applaud it. However, signing an online petition that is being presented by an online petitioning site, mainly to gather names and emails, is of no help. The representatives will look at these emails supposedly sent to them with a grain of salt....they get these types of emails frequently.

Representatives respond to the real voices and letters; not to automated emails from third party sites. So, to pinpoint frustration at their ignorant reporting by the station and their advertisers is not bad at all. Pinpointing to them and the reps will create a larger stir/wave.

Keep the ball rolling!! :supergrin:



:wavey:

red

Thanks for the input redbaron007! We are looking at VA's laws which they passed as example. Hopefully we can get a law to prevent this in the future.

IndyGunFreak
07-17-2012, 21:43
Forget about signing this petition....contact your legislators direct. These 'on-line' petitions often are ways to acquire information on people and really don't do squat.

Contacting your legislators direct would be the best thing, instead of this non-binding questionable petition.

Just my $.02.

:wavey:

red

Exactly this.

There was an uproar a few years ago in Indiana about this when Indystar simply used "dots on a street" to point out gun permits.

There was such an uproar, a bill making permit info private was passed.

IGF

SPIN2010
07-17-2012, 22:02
"change".org you say? I signed the petition but then was hit with 5 more suggested ones and 3 of them were downright commie BS & the other 2 I rolled my eyes at.

Yes, I as well ... change dot org is a front for liberal trash. BEWARE!

Gunnut 45/454
07-17-2012, 23:09
Better thing to do is take a full page add out in there paper with there address and when they are at work , where there kids go to school etc. And see how they all there personal info posted for all the criminals to see ! Post pictures of the cars, license plate # . tell everyone where they park. What vehicles there wives drive. Telephone numbers. I mean like they said it's all public info and everyone has a right to know!
Sometime you got to fight fire with fire! Do this and those liberal punks will fold like a house of cards!:supergrin:

BMH
07-18-2012, 02:30
The Commercial Appeal in Memphis did the same thing: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/feb/15/inside-the-newsroom-case-for-gun-permit-listings/