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bno762
07-17-2012, 23:55
I'm asking for any ideas for my wife for ccw. I've been taking her shooting and have introduced her to a few different types of handguns. She is currently considering getting her chl.

She's taking her time and trying to learn as much as possible right now. We plan on getting in some decent ccw training and self defense classes.

Also, I'd really appreciate hearing from the women gun owners and we need info on carry options, gun options and choices other women have found that works for them, classes women have taken for shooting and self defense.

I appreciate any and all input here.

Sent from Bubba's LG G2X

4Rules
07-18-2012, 00:15
Check this out:
Falia Freedom Channel
Female Perspective on Firearms, Gear, Concealed Carry, and Preparedness (http://www.youtube.com/user/faliaphotography/videos)

vafish
07-18-2012, 05:53
http://www.corneredcat.com/Contents/


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bno762
07-18-2012, 06:19
Thanks for the links.

Vafish- that was one of the first websites I told her about....right after GT. :-)

Sent from Bubba's LG G2X

lno762
07-18-2012, 07:20
Yeah, I really like that website! So much info.
Thank you all, for your feedback on this matter. As for now, I have my pepper spray gun and I am not going alone to meet new prospects.
Bubba, thank you for guiding me through this process, it is very empowering. Most of all, thank you for never pushing (it took me a while to reach the level of comfort to begin shooting). I am very lucky to be Mrs. bno762
Love you!
I better go before I am banned for mushiness, but I will be following this post. I look forward to hearing from other women and it would be amazing to find another female realtor GTer.

jph02
07-18-2012, 08:03
I hadn't heard of Cornered Cat before. I'm gonna give that link to my daughter. :)

SFla27
07-18-2012, 08:21
...I better go before I am banned for mushiness...

:) No worries.

Cheers to you and nothing but 100% support.

Have a great day.

Stlbrian
07-18-2012, 08:49
Thanks for the link. I just forwarded it to my wife

ithaca_deerslayer
07-18-2012, 09:36
Look for NRA women on target events:
http://www.nrahq.org/women/isc/index.asp

For example, my wife is an NRA pistol instructor and she hold's a couple of these events at our club. There is another woman instructor who helps out. And a some guy instructors. But having at least 2 women in charge makes sure it is well oriented toward the needs of women. Of course, participation is limited to women, too.

They get to leave their husbands/boyfriends at home, and get out on their own. Try a bunch of different guns, get instruction, talk about holsters, purse carry, and socialize with other women in a friendly environment.

To find other NRA courses (not gender specific), click the link and on the left column there are courses listed (the right column is for becoming an instructor) and search by zip code
http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx/
-- might want to consider basic pistol, then personal protection inside the home, then personal protection outside the home.

Also, read some books. Here is a good overview of concealed carry
Amazon.com: The Gun Digest Book Of Concealed Carry (9780896896116): Massad Ayoob: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mfq2vZpPL.@@AMEPARAM@@51mfq2vZpPL

This one, specific to women, is pretty good, too.
Amazon.com: Personal Defense for Women (9781440203909): Gila Hayes, Massad Ayoob: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515tZgeFFuL.@@AMEPARAM@@515tZgeFFuL

I like this book that has true self-defense stories woven around the concealed carry information the author is discussing
Amazon.com: The Concealed Handgun Manual: How to Choose, Carry, and Shoot a Gun in Self Defense (9780965678483): Chris Bird: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x4x%2BKrhZL.@@AMEPARAM@@51x4x%2BKrhZL

I have not read this next one yet, but it is on my list to do so. Supposed to be really good
Amazon.com: Armed and Female: Twelve Million American Women Own Guns, Should You? (9780312951504): Paxton Quigley: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lf1cAXC6L.@@AMEPARAM@@51lf1cAXC6L

BerettaGrl
07-18-2012, 11:05
Women on Target is the way to go if it's available in your area. Even if a pistol class is not available, try any type of firearm training. The safety rules are about the same, the shooting fundamentals are pretty much the same for pistol and rifle.

I have taken a Combative Pistol course from MDTS and would suggest that you try and find a similar school in your state. It's really intense.

She'll need a .22 to start. It will help her develope good technique and habits. If she has small hands I suggest the plastic Walther .22 (can't remember the model right now). I've heard good things about them and have talked to a few happy shooters that owned them.

For CCW there are lots of possibilities. Be prepared- the evolution of a gun nut can get expensive. What features that she thinks she wants will evolve and change (ex.- I started out thinking I wanted an external safety, then a revolver, then a teeny-tiny .380, then a 1911 (prettiest gun I own), then finally the polymer black gun. Who knows what's next.)

ithaca_deerslayer
07-18-2012, 11:40
Another thing to think about, at some point, is getting into action shooting sports. I know that may seem a long way off from just learning, but it could be useful.

After having shot with her hubby for the first few times, she'll either be doing good or having some issues. Maybe she'll take some basic NRA course and get some different instruction, and maybe straighten out a few issues. Then it is about finding the right gun for her, and learning about self-defense. Maybe reading some books or taking a concealed carry course or two, along with reading lots of GT. That all good. But where is her shooting skill level at? Even after basic instruction either from hubby or someone certified, and some practise, and finding her own gun, she might want to become a better pistol shooter :)

That's where finding a club with some friendly people who shoot action events, such as IDPA or something similar, would be a good idea. If the club isn't friendly, or if it doesn't have women shooters, maybe keep looking.

Eventually, you might find a club where they meet once a week or once a month, and they practise shooting at targets at various distances, in a certain order, moving the shooter around a bit, and timing and scoring accuracy. Doesn't have to be the most intense thing. Hopefully something fun that introduces a little stress, and helps the shooter develop skills. Yes it will be a game, and not Navy Seal training. But it is better than not practising your shooting at all :)

Here is a good video to watch of a novice woman shooting the IDPA classifier. I specifically picked this one because it is realistic of a woman who is a beginner. She may have a few months to a year of target or plinking shooting experience thus far (I don't know anything about her, so I'm just guessing). And now is trying the standardized IDPA classifier course, using a Glock 19.

Mrs. MasterClass shooting IDPA classifier - YouTube

IDPA can have an infinite variety of different types of courses setup for fun and competition. Most matches or practise sessions happen at the local club level, and may allow non-members to try it out. The classifier, however, is a specific type of course setup, done the same and scored the same, no matter what club decides to hold one. A club might only offer a classifier a couple times a year, or maybe not at all. It is like an SAT. You can take it over again, and your highest score sort of ranks you. You don't have to shoot a classifer to shoot most IDPA club matches, but it is a good test of your skills (in my opinion).

As you can see in this video, the classifier tests you on the following skills through a 90 shot course of fire:
-- drawing and shooting on one target.
-- drawing and shooting on multiple targets.
-- shooting at a large target (body?)
-- shooting at a small target (head?)
-- drawing and shooting, and doing a mag change.
-- shooting while moving forward.
-- shooting while moving backward.
-- shooting one handed with your strong hand (right hand?)
-- shooting one handed with your weak hand (left hand?)
-- shooting from behind a barricade, leaning out to keep cover (done from each side).
-- shooting and doing a tactical mag change (keeping a round in the chamber and keeping the mag in your pocket)
-- moving to cover (a barrel) and kneeling and shooting.
-- some of these shots are up close (7 yards), and some are from distance (20 yards).

Here is the official classifier setup description, if interested:
http://www.idpa.com/classify.asp

You can find lots of youtube videos of master shooters doing the classifier in blazing speed. And lots of videos of guys who are hoping to improve their score. But few videos of a beginner woman giving it a go :) Hopefully more and more women will try it! And yes, you can indeed find videos of master ranked women shooting in IDPA competitions. But my focus here isn't so much on competition as the course itself and what it gives a new shooter to work on :)

lno762
07-18-2012, 18:23
Wow!
All of this info is so greatly appreciated! I haven't had a chance to go into depth with much of it, yet..but knowing it is all here is so great!!
In the same block as my office there is a really nice gun shop. I usually go in to visit the owner's German Shepherd, Yeager..but today I looked at the G19. I could definately see myself comfortable with it as a cc. Also, looked at a Sig Sauer .22. I can already see myself wanting several guns. I saw the most gorgeous Sig Sauer...I have no idea the specs, but I think it was called Elite. It was stainless steel and had a beautiful wood grip. It felt sick as hell in my hand : ) It was $1100. Want it!!
I found several flyers with info on "Girls with Guns" classes & such. I never imagined being this excited...I was extremely apprehensive and hesitant to even have a gun in our home before I met Bubba. Now, I feel that much hype and misconception, probably born from Hollywood and the media skewed my prior opinions.
Very greatful for you all,
L

SCmasterblaster
07-18-2012, 18:43
A Glock Model 27 may fit her hand nicely.

ithaca_deerslayer
07-18-2012, 18:50
As far as apprehension about having a gun in the house, I wuold suggest these rules. Hope this doesn't come across as talking down to you, and they are mostly everyone's rules except for one of them I made up for myself :)

-- Assume all guns are always loaded. If you set it down for a second and pick it back up, assume it is loaded again. (Double check that it is actually loaded if you are carrying it for self-defense).

-- Don't point a gun at anyone, not even a quick careless sweeping of them with the muzzle at a gun store. (Self-defense use against a bad guy is the obvious exception).

-- Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot, so you don't trip and fall and shoot something.

-- Know your target, and what the heck is beyond it.

-- Keep your gun locked up when it is not under your immediate control, so some little kid doesn't find it and pull the trigger and get a BOOM!

-- Triple check that the gun is unloaded before dryfiring, because it gives you a nice mental break and prevents holes in your walls :)

4Rules
07-28-2012, 23:40
Prepare to CHL by Bluejay9mm

Prepare to CHL by Bluejay9mm - YouTube

girlglock26
07-28-2012, 23:57
A glock 26 may be a good fit for you! I have one and love it! I have come so far since I started shooting. I am now cert as a range safety officer and want to get more women to the range. I now shoot a rifle as well. good luck with all your adventures in shooting, and make sure the gun you choose is a good fit for you and you feel comfortable with handling it.

NEOH212
07-29-2012, 03:10
A glock 26 may be a good fit for you! I have one and love it! I have come so far since I started shooting. I am now cert as a range safety officer and want to get more women to the range. I now shoot a rifle as well. good luck with all your adventures in shooting, and make sure the gun you choose is a good fit for you and you feel comfortable with handling it.

I'll second the Glock 26. Light, powerful and easy to conceal.

Congratulations on the new certification! :cool:

Jack23
07-29-2012, 13:54
Well, I'm not a woman but I know a few that carry and some of them are newbies at CCW. A lot of them seem to like the Ruger SP101 .38/.357mag. It can handle a wide variety of different ammo and most can find something they are comfortable with and confident in. Some will eventually graduate to small or mid-size semi autos but the Rugers are a good starting point.

lno762
08-14-2012, 22:37
[QUOTE=ithaca_deerslayer;19208960]Look for NRA women on target events:
http://www.nrahq.org/women/isc/index.asp

For example, my wife is an NRA pistol instructor and she hold's a couple of these events at our club. There is another woman instructor who helps out. And a some guy instructors. But having at least 2 women in charge makes sure it is well oriented toward the needs of women. Of course, participation is limited to women, too.

They get to leave their husbands/boyfriends at home, and get out on their own. Try a bunch of different guns, get instruction, talk about holsters, purse carry, and socialize with other women in a friendly environment.


ithaca_deerslayer,
I went to a similar even tonight by "A Girl & A Gun" and it was great. Our facilitator is an NRA instructor & ex LEO and she was great! I was able to shoot a variety of guns, too!

ithaca_deerslayer
08-15-2012, 05:09
ithaca_deerslayer,
I went to a similar even tonight by "A Girl & A Gun" and it was great. Our facilitator is an NRA instructor & ex LEO and she was great! I was able to shoot a variety of guns, too!
Cool:)

What gun did you like the best?

I had a woman trying guns who liked each one more than the next. After teaching her from scratch on a .22, I did the usual transition of largest least recoil to smallest most recoil.

Went from Ruger GP100 with 38's, Beretta 92, Glock 17, Glock 26, Kahr PM9, then to a snubbie 642.

She was saying "I like the small semi-auto",then saying "Oh I like the small revolver, too."

Well, at least she knew she could shoot all those. Hopefully it helped her when she went gun shopping :)

lno762
08-15-2012, 06:24
I liked the Glock 17, Springfield XD 45 and S&W 357 Revolver. I did not like the Ruger LC 9 nor did I like the little revolver (380 I think?)
I am still confused as to what gun to buy. All my instincts say to go with a Glock 19, except for the CC factor, which is the main objective of this endeavor. I set out on a mission of self defense and now I am falling in love with these big guns. My absolute fav, although I didn't shoot one last night, is the Kimber 1911.

ithaca_deerslayer
08-15-2012, 15:10
Small revolver was probably a .38 special, although someone did come out with one in a .380.

Did you try a 19? If you liked the 17, you'd probably like that too. I prefer the 17 :)

Generally, big guns shoot nicer, little guns conceal easier. That's why you need some of each :)

girlglock26
09-18-2012, 15:09
If its for your wife I like both my Glock 26 and my 38 revolver Glock for jeans and shorts 38 for dress's and skirts. Enough said.


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frizz
09-18-2012, 15:31
I'll second the Glock 26. Light, powerful and easy to conceal.

Congratulations on the new certification! :cool:
Another vote for the Glock 26. :wavey:

My wife LOVES the 26, and she's a natural shot. She has a laser sight, but I don't think that it is that important.

frizz
09-18-2012, 15:36
A Glock Model 27 may fit her hand nicely.
The Glock 26 fits the same as the 27, so it should come down to which can be shot the best.

Ties go to the 27. If you have to make a choice without firing a 27, go with the 26.

If you can fire the 27, the 26 is easier, and you won't be stuck with a gun you can't use.

frizz
09-18-2012, 15:40
If its for your wife I like both my Glock 26 and my 38 revolver Glock for jeans and shorts 38 for dress's and skirts. Enough said.

+1 on the 38. Put a 5-shot 38 revolver in a holster and see if it fits your pocket. Taurus makes decent 38 snubbies, but check the trigger pull before you buy. Sometimes they use springs that are too heavy.

Misty02
09-18-2012, 16:33
Yeah, I really like that website! So much info.
Thank you all, for your feedback on this matter. As for now, I have my pepper spray gun and I am not going alone to meet new prospects.
Bubba, thank you for guiding me through this process, it is very empowering. Most of all, thank you for never pushing (it took me a while to reach the level of comfort to begin shooting). I am very lucky to be Mrs. bno762
Love you!
I better go before I am banned for mushiness, but I will be following this post. I look forward to hearing from other women and it would be amazing to find another female realtor GTer.

Not a realtor, but another female :). I don’t know instructors in TX but I would recommend the various levels of Defensive Handgun classes, add one night shooting class, etc. I was signed up for an FOF class this month which had to be rescheduled to learn and work through mock carjacking, home invasions, maneuvering around buildings/structures, etc. That would have been the first defensive class I’ve ever attended that used airsoft, which meant we would take incoming fire and had to effectively protect against it.

It will soon be 4 years since I started carrying. When I bought my G19 I was certain that would be the only handgun I would ever own. Boy, was I ever wrong!!! The G19 is still my favorite and most often carried, I suspect that will always be the case. Nonetheless, two others have been added, they have their time and place. The LCP is used with (very infrequent) eveningwear; there is little room to hide much at those times. I’ve owned it for about 2 years and used it less than a handful of times. The G27 is a brand new acquisition that I like more and more each day. It is a lot smaller and easier to carry with more traditional carry methods. The holster I use for the G27 has the end of the clip at the same level as the end of the slide so it completely disappears inside the clothing. I’ve carried at 3:30 as well as index, depending on the outfit. The G19 I carry in either a fanny-pack or a belly band.

Feel free to PM me if you wish to ask any questions, not that I would have all the answers but I would help were I can. :)

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