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volsbear
07-18-2012, 13:48
Would any of our experts educate me on lever action rifles? Lately I've felt like I want one. I looked at the Marlins chambered in 357/38 but the 45/70 looks intriguing too.

Anyone care to offer suggestions?


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Steff1
07-18-2012, 13:50
I have a Marlin 45.70 and it was intriguing until my wallet had to feed it $$$

Zombie Steve
07-18-2012, 14:00
You could always get the 1894 chambered in .44 mag. I use mine quite a bit. They are very handy rifles. :thumbsup:

Bob Hafler
07-18-2012, 14:08
I'm not sure about the other calibers but I'm very happy with the Marlin 336 30/30. IMO just a great all purpose rifle.

PhotoFeller
07-18-2012, 14:16
Would any of our experts educate me on lever action rifles? Lately I've felt like I want one. I looked at the Marlins chambered in 357/38 but the 45/70 looks intriguing too.

Anyone care to offer suggestions?


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I really enjoy my Marlin lever guns in various styles and calibers. I'm not an expert on them by any measure, but I can give you some thoughts about which one might fit your needs.

Your OP mentions both ends of the Marlin center-fire power spectrum. The 1894C in .357/.38 spl shoots the good ole pistol cartridge while model 1895 in .45-70 is a heavy hitter suitable for moose, bear and all the other big game critters. The 1894C is a pleasure to shoot at the range and for hunting wild hogs and deer if you know where the bullets have to be placed for effective, humane harvesting. The 1895 is a real powerhouse that isn't so much fun to shoot because of recoil, but it will effectively kill anything we've got with 4 legs.

In between the calibers you mention are .30-30, .35 Rem, .44mag/.44 spl, and others. Knowing how you want to use a lever gun determines which one to consider. Once you've got a handle on whether you want to hunt, or shoot paper, or both, the search for your Marlin can begin. Visit the Marlin Owners forum to get all the information you'll need.

volsbear
07-18-2012, 14:21
I didn't even realize there was a Marlin sub-forum. Ya learn something new every day!

It would be primarily for fun as you can't hunt in Illinois with a rifle anyway. But I do travel a bit and wouldn't rule out hunting somewhere else.

The 357/38 seems like it would be moderately fun to shoot and less expensive than other options. A .22 doesn't seem too entertaining at all though it's definitely cheap. And I can't see me ever going after huge animals with it.


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PhotoFeller
07-18-2012, 14:39
I didn't even realize there was a Marlin sub-forum. Ya learn something new every day!

It would be primarily for fun as you can't hunt in Illinois with a rifle anyway. But I do travel a bit and wouldn't rule out hunting somewhere else.

The 357/38 seems like it would be moderately fun to shoot and less expensive than other options. A .22 doesn't seem too entertaining at all though it's definitely cheap. And I can't see me ever going after huge animals with it.


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The Marlin Owners Forum is a stand alone web site devoted to sharing info and answering questions just like we do here. Its populated with lots of knowledgeable folks who like to help others with info about Marlin specs, hand loading, rifle price/value opinions, etc. Check it out.

The 1894C .357/.38 is a popular rifle that is very much in demand today. Thus, they can be difficult to find and prices are escalating. If you find one and buy it, you are likely to realize value appreciation over time.

The Marlins in greatest demand are those manufactured in North Haven, Connecticut before the company was acquired by Remington. If you're serious about buying a Marlin, it would be advisable to visit the forum for detailed guidance on which ones are most desirable.

Highspeedlane
07-18-2012, 15:41
As far as chambering goes, I'd go for something like a .357 or .44 Magnum chambered lever gun for starters. Reason being is (especially the .44) they offer good short range power for generic plinking including hunting at short range, without being as hard on the wallet or the shoulder as some of the larger bottle neck rifle rounds or something like the .45-70.

Breadman03
07-18-2012, 15:43
See PhotoFeller's post. Post 2008 guns are of lesser quality, and seem to have many more issues than older guns. It is thought to be due to a "crank 'em out" mentality.

brianfede
07-18-2012, 15:49
I have a Winchester 9422 (.22 caliber) and it's a blast to shoot and plink with. I recommend a .22 unless you plan on hunting.


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jbotstein1
07-18-2012, 15:53
If you have a pistol already, it makes sense to get a rifle in a matching caliber. That's what I did at least. I've got a S&W 10-7 in .38, then got my Marlin 1894 in .357/.38, then bought my GP100 in .357. All 3 can shoot the .38 for plinknig and affordability, but I can use the latter 2 for hunting with .357s. The Marlin is probably my favorite rifle that I own. I highly reccomend it. Also, with the new ammo available(specifically Hornady Leverevolution), longer shots are possible with increased accuracy out of a lever gun. Good luck.

brianfede
07-18-2012, 15:53
Volsbear,

I just noticed you are from Illinois, if you are anywhere near the Bass Pro in Gurnee you are welcomed to try out my Winchester.


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Toml
07-18-2012, 15:55
Browning BLR is available in almost every centerfire caliber. Its detachable box magazine is handy and allows you to use spitzer bullets.

volsbear
07-18-2012, 15:56
If you have a pistol already, it makes sense to get a rifle in a matching caliber. That's what I did at least. I've got a S&W 10-7 in .38, then got my Marlin 1894 in .357/.38, then bought my GP100 in .357. All 3 can shoot the .38 for plinknig and affordability, but I can use the latter 2 for hunting with .357s. The Marlin is probably my favorite rifle that I own. I highly reccomend it. Also, with the new ammo available(specifically Hornady Leverevolution), longer shots are possible with increased accuracy out of a lever gun. Good luck.

Good suggestions. My pistols are either 22 or 45.


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collim1
07-18-2012, 15:56
I would love to have a Marlin in .357mag.

Be a great deer rifle and could shoot cheap .38's for practice.

Three-Five-Seven
07-18-2012, 17:09
Lever gunz R gud.

K.Kiser
07-18-2012, 17:09
Browning BLR is available in almost every centerfire caliber. Its detachable box magazine is handy and allows you to use spitzer bullets.

The BLR's are very nice, and just a real success in the levergun category...

I like the Marlin's and Winchesters too..

volsbear
07-18-2012, 17:51
Aren't the Browning models like $1100+?


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Phillip_Rios
07-18-2012, 18:13
I have to agree with brianfede. I have 4 .22's (2 Walther P22's, a Marlin 795, and a Henry lever action) The two .22 rifles are by far my favourites. I have other rifles for big game hunting, home defense, and whatnot, but if you don't plan on hunting anything a .22 is the way to go. Loads of fun and loads of ammo out there for good $$$. .22's also won't rip through my steel targets like all my other rifles will, and as a guy who fashions his own targets from metal in the shop, it saves me some extra $$$ on materials.

Mercedesrover
07-18-2012, 18:24
I have lots of lever guns. Got a thing for them I guess. Not sure how many...Let's see if I can remember.

Winchester 94 Trapper in .44. Perfect gun with maybe 6 rounds through it. Beautiful wood and I never use it. I'll keep it around to give to my son.

Winchester 9422 .22. Early production and really nice. Too nice to use so it sits in the safe.

Winchester 9422M .22mag. First year production that I bought really cheap on GB. Not sure why I got it for that price, but I did. Another gun that sits in the safe waiting for the boy to grow.

Henry Golden Boy in .22. Built and serial numbered with my son's birthday and initials. He'll get that on his 10th birthday. Thank you again Mr. Imperato.

Henry Youth in .22. Probably gets shot more than any rifle I own. Just a fun and inexpensive little rifle that does exactly what it should. I think it was $200 and probably the best money I ever spent on a gun as far as use goes.

Marlin 1894C in .357. Great range and deer rifle. Looked for one for a while and found this last year. Can't wait to get out with it again.

Marlin 336 in 30-30. Got it for free from a guy that bought it new, never shot it and left it in his damp basement. It's rusty and crappy and I don't really care what happens to it. It spends most of its time in a scabbard on the fender of my tractor. Good to have a bang around gun.

Marlin 336 in .35 Rem. Great woods gun for deer. It's my go-to gun when I'm hunting in the woods out back of the house.

Marlin 336A in 30-30. Nothing special...A gun I traded someone something for. Ugly wood. Never seem to use it.

Maybe a few more...I love lever guns. My friends tease me. But for under 100 yards, walking around in the woods or in the brush, I always grab a lever. Simply, they do what they are made for. I think the most useful is probably the .357 with a good load like Leverevolution and 30-30 second. Both are good deer rounds, both are best under 100 yards and both are cheap to shoot. When I go camping in Maine I always take a .357 revolver for my hip and my 1894C...and one box of ammo.

stopatrain
07-18-2012, 18:29
My favorite is the Marlin 45-70.

tazbigdog
07-18-2012, 18:43
Love the 1895 in .45-70!

K.Kiser
07-18-2012, 19:03
Aren't the Browning models like $1100+?


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Probably less than $900 in actual retail, but they are a step above...

Buckeye63
07-18-2012, 19:29
I have owned Marlins in 30-30 ,308 Marlin,35 Rem, 375 Win. 444 Marlin , 45/70 Gov. , and 450 Marlin

Winchester 94 in 44mag, 45 Colt , 30-30 ,307 win ,356 Win. ,375 Win, 444 Marlin ,450 Marlin

Rossi (Puma) in 357 mag , 44 Mag, 45 Colt , 454 Cassel

I really like Lever Guns...But only own two now a Custom Marlin 336 in 30-30 and a Puma in 357 Mag...

357 Mag Puma is a great White Tail , Black Bear , Hawg ,combo and a great Home Defense weapon also !!!

Glockster17
07-18-2012, 20:24
I have a Winchester 94 Trapper (16" barrel, smooth wood stock) in .357 Mag and have really enjoyed it for many years ( over a decade(!). It shoots .38 spl and the recoil is super light. When I got it many years ago, I lived in So. California and rifle ranges were hard to come by, so I opted for a handgun caliber. This allowed me to shoot in an indoor pistol range. In .357 mag or .38 Spl the ammo isn't too expensive and can be found at Wal-Marts. I have no regrets and it is really fun to shoot.

My cousin just purchased a Marlin 1984 .357 Mag and even though he or I have not fired it, the quality was apparent. It is a fine rifle, fit and finish were excellent. So there you go... --Rob

Guntrainer
07-18-2012, 21:02
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/ShootingCoach/IMG_1746.jpg

Go to the pawn shop and get a 30/30. The one with "character" has harvested a trainload of venison.

Easy to load, factory ammo is everywhere, and the gun is powerful enough for most game. Absolutely devastating for home defense. Defeats most body armor, car bodies and windshields.

Easy to shoot, as accurate as most folks can shoot.

volsbear
07-19-2012, 05:15
Thanks everyone!


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Agator
07-19-2012, 13:48
I have a Marlin 1895 Guide gun, Winchester 94 and my twin has a Marlin 1895 Classic rifle. My favorite is the guide gun of the three. Both Marlins are 45/70 and the Winchester is a 30/30. My Guide gun is my favorite gun.....period. It handles like a dream and out to 200 yards can take any animal on this continent.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o495/agator101/GEDC0227.jpg
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o495/agator101/100_1915.jpg
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o495/agator101/GEDC0217.jpg
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o495/agator101/GEDC0225.jpg
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Capt.Easy
07-19-2012, 14:31
I have an 1894 .30/.30 Winchester (Crusty, with rust after years of use on a Florida Keys Lobster boat), but is shiny inside & still runs good. A 336 Marlin Cowboy gun (straight stock & saddle ring) in .44mag I bought new in 1967 to go w/a .44mag pistol, still looks good & shoots good and has put some food in the freezer and my favorite, a Marlin1893 in .38/55 ,built in 1894 that is a work of art, octagonal bbl engraved receiver, curly maple stock and was still taken to the woods by my grandfather when he went on his last hunt at 83 yrs. old. This rifle has taken more deer than anyone can remember(and one bear) and after 118 years has an action smoother than any weapon I own and still is a great shooter.
Want something special check out The Alaskan CoPilot by Jim West. If .45/70 doesn't do it, you can get it in .475 Win. Mag or .50 cal Alaskan-450gr. bullet @2050fps/4200ft.lbs! Beware, Leverguns can be an expensive addiction......

byf43
07-19-2012, 15:26
Everyone should have at least one levergun.

Marlin 1894CB in .44 Magnum
Marlin 1895G in .45-70 "Gummint"
Marlin 1895CB in .45-70 "Gummint"

Winchester 94 Trapper in .44 Magnum



No pics these beautiful leverguns, except for the Guide Gun:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Mauser%20folder/Marlin1895G.jpg

This 'carbine' is a hoot to shoot! Big holes in a tight group.

southernshooter
07-19-2012, 16:45
Since you mentioned "educate me". I have been surprised by how many people did not know why lever actions with tube magazines are not chambered in common calibers like .308, 270, 30-06 etc. In case you did not know: In a tube mag the pointed bullet style of those calibers would sit directly against the primer of the cartridge ahead of it in the tube magazine. That problem is eliminated with a box mag like on the Browning BLR.
The tube mag rifles are chambered in cartridges like 45-70, 35 Rem, 30-30, .444 Marlin, 44 mag etc that have a flat nose bullet.

Jade Falcon
07-19-2012, 20:00
Keep an eye out for a 16" Puma M92 carbine from LSI, chambered in .454 Casull (this chambering is no longer made, so check the used market). I have this very rifle, and I absolutely love it. It turns heads like nothing else I've ever shot.

hogship
07-19-2012, 22:16
It would be primarily for fun......

The 357/38 seems like it would be moderately fun to shoot and less expensive than other options. A .22 doesn't seem too entertaining at all though it's definitely cheap. And I can't see me ever going after huge animals with it.


If it were ONLY for fun, I wouldn't cross the 22LR off the list!

38/357 would also fit the fun category very well. Although it would be capable of harvesting big game, it's pretty low on the list of cartridges that would be a good choice for hunting.

If hunting big game is in the cards, I'd recommend the good ol' 30/30, 35Remington, 444Marlin, or even the 45/70.

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781008/1425902/112839011.jpg
Marlin 39a, 22lr
Marlin 336CB, 30/30
Winchester 94AE, 357mag
Marlin 1895GS, 45/70

Bob Hafler
07-20-2012, 06:16
If it were ONLY for fun, I wouldn't cross the 22LR off the list!

I've been eyeballing those Henry 22 lever actions the last couple months. Think that might be my next purchase.

Jeffe
07-20-2012, 07:24
My SS Guide Gun in 45/70 is my go to gun now. I use the 325g jelly tip LEVERevolution for deer and am confident and capable out to 200yds with it. Bear I use the same or this year I might try the 405g flatnose remingtons. Should I ever want to hunt something a little more deadly, I can get 500g solids. That is pretty darn good for a rifle that doesn't kick anymore than a 12 gauge.

volsbear
07-20-2012, 17:29
I priced the 1894c today...$600. Ouch. Perhaps a banged up 30-30 sounds good after all.


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PhotoFeller
07-20-2012, 19:10
I priced the 1894c today...$600. Ouch. Perhaps a banged up 30-30 sounds good after all.


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Look on Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, and your local shops for a Model 336 with a serial number beginning 92XXXX, 93XXXX, 94XXXX and higher. These serial numbers translate to manufacture dates of 2008, 2007, 2006 and older.

Marlin was purchased by an investment group that also owns Remington in 2008; lever gun production was moved from Connecticut to New York in 2010. Quality was better prior to 2009 and has been at its worst since manufacturing was relocated.

teumessian_fox
07-20-2012, 19:30
I've owned Winchester and Marlin but now have a Browning Lever Rifle.

I like the Browning because the bolt has locking lugs and lock the bolt into the barrel. Much stronger than either Winchester or Marlin.

I also like the Browning because the entire trigger assembly drops down with the lever. I don't pinch myself as with the Winchester or Marlin.

I'd check out the Browning.

LeathelM
07-20-2012, 20:10
I bought a nib 45/70 and I was very pleased with the fit and finish.

teumessian_fox
07-20-2012, 20:34
Oh. And one other thing about the Browning. Unlike the other lever actions, it has a detachable magazine. I love that feature. Push a button and it's unloaded. And the rounds stay in a single container.

I remember unloading my Winchester and Marlin. Pumping and pumping the lever and catching each ejected round.

Plus, the detachable mag enables you to use the really pointy bullets which just look cool.

I really like the BLR.


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volsbear
07-22-2012, 20:29
Is it safe to dry fire a lever gun?


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Reb 56
07-22-2012, 23:11
Who is making the best 30-30 lever guns now Marlin,Winchester,Mossberg or Puma ?
Since the return of Winchester 1894's they seem to have gotten pricey.







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GWG19
07-23-2012, 07:46
I shoot lever guns at least twice a month in Cowboy Action Shoooting competition. We run our lever guns hard and fast. I have probably put 5000 plus rounds through a Marlin 94 and wife rifle is closer to 8000.
A thing to remember about a Winchester 94 is they are chambered in pistol calibers but the rifle is not made for pistol calibers. They tend to jam up when you try to run one fast.

The Marlin 94 is probably the second or third most popular CAS rifle the Winchester 73 is 1st, then the 66 or Marlin is next.

The newer Marlins have quality control issues. Mostly feeding issues. Marlin was bought out a couple of years ago.
With that said a Marlin 94 in 357 with a 24 inch barrel is a great gun for hunting gun. The same gun in 44 mag is great also.

The Marlin 95 in XLR are great hunting rifles. You can get them in 30-30, 308 Marlin, 338 Marlin and the 45-70.
The 95 in the Cowboy model with its 24 inch barrel is a great shooter, I have won a bunch of long range lever gun competitions with mine. We shoot at targets varying in range from 100 to 200 yards for speed.

GWG19
07-23-2012, 07:51
Check out these guys, I don't own one but have handled one.
http://wildwestguns.com/

gruntmedik
07-23-2012, 10:50
I have a Marlin 1895 45-70. When I bought it, I really wanted the Guide Gun, but it was only offered with a ported barrel, and I didn't want ports. I really enjoy this rifle, and with factory 300gr ammo, it does not have offensive recoil. Now, with some Garrett, or Buffalo Bore ammo, it will make your shoulder blades touch. :wow:

A couple seasons ago, I tried some LeveRevolution ammo. That ammo has turned my rifle into an honest 4 shot 1" group at 100yds rifle. Prior to that ammo, I was planning on having the barrel shortened to Guide Gun proportions. Now, I'm not messing with it.

I've also got a 1961 Mod 94 Win 30-30. Love it. It is hard to go wrong with a 30-30. Ammo prices are climbing, but you can still find 30-30 for $10-$12 a box occasionally.

I really want a Marlin 1894 in 38/357. I had one in 44 Mag, but wound up selling it.

wjv
07-23-2012, 11:10
Other than a .22 or .22 Mag, the .38/.357 will give you the best cost per round advantage. Cheaper .38s for plinking, .357s for defense, premium heavy .357s for hunting.

I have a Marlin .444 that use to be reasonable to shoot. Now it's pushing $2 per round!

But I'll agree with others here. My .22 and .22 Magnums are just as fun to shoot if your punching paper. Even with the .22 mag I'm still only spending $0.20 per round. With the .444 and .45-70 every time you pull the trigger you will be thinking $2. . $2. . $2. . $2 Unless you reload.

thisaway
07-23-2012, 18:26
Lever rifles...hmmmm...let's see...

Henry Model 001 .22LR

Marlin 336 .30-30

Savage M1899 .250 Savage (1920)

Savage M99 Takedown .300 Savage (1931)

Rossi M92 .45 Colt

Reb 56
07-23-2012, 21:50
I'd really like a Winchester 94 in 30-30 any body know the price of a new one,and who makes them now. I thought I saw somewhere that some mfg was bringing out the model 70 and the 1894. Maybe just wishfull thinking.

PhotoFeller
07-24-2012, 07:21
I'd really like a Winchester 94 in 30-30 any body know the price of a new one,and who makes them now. I thought I saw somewhere that some mfg was bringing out the model 70 and the 1894. Maybe just wishfull thinking.

I haven't shopped for a Winchester, but I understand they are built in Japan. I have also read that new Winnies are well made, but fairly expensive.