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coleslaw
07-18-2012, 23:15
I thought about adding the .50 cal but I can't afford a Desert Eagle.

Things are starting to come together for me and I'll be buying a new handgun (and possibly rifle) so I would like to know what are your experiences with these calibers. I really would like to gather is some opinions on the power factor of these three calibers. I understand that the first two I'm asking about are autoloader calibers while the last is a revolver caliber. While I only own two semi auto's I don't have a strong prefence to autoloaders and will consider buying a revolver. This will be a safe gun and range gun. I don't plan on stock piling anyone of these calibers, I did that with my two 9mm's and that's all the ammo I need. So since this next purchase will not fill a self defense role of any sort I am open to any opinions but I'd like to stay with these three calibers... The 454 casulls, 44 mag's and 500 S&W's etc. I'd rather not own, just way too much gun for me.

Angry Fist
07-18-2012, 23:22
Gen 3 G20. :wavey:

Firefightermdc
07-18-2012, 23:31
All three calibers are fun to shoot. The .357 mag will offer the most ammo choice when hopping locally ive found. My lgs usually has a few more selections of 10mm than 357 sig, but 5 choices max. For power and tacticool factor id go g20

CR500
07-18-2012, 23:49
Don't get me wrong, the 10mm is awesome. I have had several encounters with a "smoking deal" on a G20, but have turned all of them down. For me, it came down to ammunition availability and price. Bottom line.

And for the record, I own both .357 sig and .357 magnum. I love the .357 sig, incredible round.

Berto
07-18-2012, 23:53
Powerwise, .357mag and 10mm literally overlap almost exactly when loaded right up to their max.

.357sig mimicks the .357mag revolver 125gr loading, which was a very successful combo in police use.

For a range/safe gun, the revolver has strong points;

Takes anything from mousefart .38sp target wadcutters, +p defense loads and the whole range of .357mag, of course. No brass to chase, target accuracy, close to perfect reliability. Great range/outdoors gun.

The 10mm auto will give you .357mag power in a higher capacity, lighter recoiling platform with faster reloads. In my experience, the G20 is also a very accurate pistol too, and can handle the whole outdoors thing like the revolver, albeit not quite the trigger unless you go 1911 style pistol.

IMO, the .357sig doesn't meet your wants quite as well for a range gun, ammo is not as common, and power levels are typically tailored toward defense use exclusively whereas 10mm and .38sp/.357mag run a wide range.

Tallahassee
07-19-2012, 00:19
You can get a little more out of a 10mm than a 357 mag, especially if you reload.

If you don't reload, I'd recommend a 357 magnum. You can shoot 38s and 357s, and the ammo costs should be easier to deal with than the other two calibers.

I have a Smith and Wesson 686 and a G29SF. I would hate to get rid of either, they're two of my favorites. But if I could really only keep one then the 686 stays.

Glock40man
07-19-2012, 01:26
Powerwise, .357mag and 10mm literally overlap almost exactly when loaded right up to their max.

.357sig mimicks the .357mag revolver 125gr loading, which was a very successful combo in police use.

For a range/safe gun, the revolver has strong points;

Takes anything from mousefart .38sp target wadcutters, +p defense loads and the whole range of .357mag, of course. No brass to chase, target accuracy, close to perfect reliability. Great range/outdoors gun.

The 10mm auto will give you .357mag power in a higher capacity, lighter recoiling platform with faster reloads. In my experience, the G20 is also a very accurate pistol too, and can handle the whole outdoors thing like the revolver, albeit not quite the trigger unless you go 1911 style pistol.

IMO, the .357sig doesn't meet your wants quite as well for a range gun, ammo is not as common, and power levels are typically tailored toward defense use exclusively whereas 10mm and .38sp/.357mag run a wide range.

Berto nailed it here IMO.

NEOH212
07-19-2012, 02:29
Get the .357 Mag (The only real .357 by the way) and be done with it.

:wavey:

Breadman03
07-19-2012, 03:47
I have .357 SIG and 10mm and love shooting both of them. If you are looking for a pistol and rifle, a .357 Mag revolver/levergun combo would be nice to have.

deadite
07-19-2012, 06:12
My vote is for 10mm. When loaded up to it's original Norma specs, it's more like 41 Magnum. But even that is quite controllable...not much more perceived recoil than 45acp in my Delta Elite.

I have 2 10mm handguns in the 1911 platform, a Delta Elite and a DW Cbob, and I love them both.

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Dawolf
07-19-2012, 07:49
I like the 357 Sig for the simple fact that I have .40 barrels for my Glocks and Sigs in that caliber. The magazines are compatible for both rounds, and .40 for target shooting practice is cheap, and easy to reload. I have mastered the reloading of the .357 Sig, so that is cheap for me as well. My next purchase is going to be a G-24 and will get a extended .357 Sig barrel. (http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=987&CAT=240).

CR500
07-19-2012, 08:07
I like the 357 Sig for the simple fact that I have .40 barrels for my Glocks and Sigs in that caliber. The magazines are compatible for both rounds, and .40 for target shooting practice is cheap, and easy to reload.

+1. Don't get me wrong, I also love all of my revolvers, but currently the .357 is one of my favorites. Fun to shoot, and also an excellent round.

glock2740
07-19-2012, 08:49
Hard to beat a good .357 revolver, but the G20 does it. High capacity and you can get barrels for .40, .357 Sig, 9x25 Dillon, 9mm IIRC and a couple of more that I think I forgot about. I have guns in all of the OP's mentioned calibers and love them all. But if I had to pick just one, it would be the G20. Although, my 4" SS GP100 .357 is a very close second.

M2 Carbine
07-19-2012, 08:49
I don't have a 10MM.
I have had 38/.357 for many years. Can't say anything but good about the caliber.


Recently I ran across a new Glock 33, .357 SIG.
I wasn't interested in either a Glock or .357 SIG but the price was only $350.

I have to say I'm very impressed with the round and the little Glock (and I don't like Glocks).

The gun/round is VERY accurate and VERY powerful.
The down side is the factory ammo is VERY expensive.

Immediately I bought loading dies and 2,000 once fired cases, so I'm shooting it cheap.


I would think you would enjoy the .357 MAG or .357 SIG.

countrygun
07-19-2012, 08:51
Berto said pretty much what I was going to.

byf43
07-19-2012, 09:38
.357 Magnum!!!!!

It's been "doin' the job" since the 1930s!!!!!

(Just don't get one of those S&Ws that got a hole drilled in the side!!!!!):wavey:

Hold out for a mdl 27 or mdl 28. Either one will handle anything/everything you throw at it!! :thumbsup:

Teecher45
07-19-2012, 09:50
It all comes down to your choice, but...
I am one that thinks everyone should own a .357 mag revolver (and a shotgun). It has got to be one of the most versatible handguns ever produced.
And, the 10mm is a great round, and the G20 is a great gun, but the energy of the 2 loaded to max is not equal, from what I've seen. They're close, but the mag has a little more.
If I was goping to get a G20, I would wait for the Gen 4. I have a Gen 4 G21 and it is awesome.

Bullman
07-19-2012, 09:58
Since you are looking for a safe gun/range gun, I would buy a Smith and Wesson 627 8 shot .357 magnum. Most of the purists out there will pooh pooh on the lock, or that a revolver should be a six shot, well,they are welcome to their opinions. If the lock offends you that bad, it can be disabled and the hole filled. Now, if I were buying something to carry, it would be a Glock 29, or a J frame centennial .357

CR500
07-19-2012, 10:10
Speaking of revolvers, I have 2 Dan Wesson revolvers. One in 357 mag, one in 44 mag. Both awesome to shoot. Everyone should own a revolver !

Zombie Steve
07-19-2012, 10:16
Get the one you think is coolest. You'll shoot it more. :thumbsup:


If it's honestly a tie, go .357 mag. I like the Smith 686. You'll be amazed what it can do with some old school lead semi-wadcutters.

:cowboy:

2-tap
07-19-2012, 11:49
Get a g20 and get the lone wolf 357sig conversion barrel. I personally dont have a use for the 357sig.

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fnfalman
07-19-2012, 14:18
.357 Magnum. Why? Because it's the original Magnum.

Glock26z
07-19-2012, 14:27
I just picked up 10 Ruger revolvers from the Security Six to the GP100 series from 1975 to the 1995 era and I will not sell any of them. They are my collections of revolvers. I do have 3 semis,LC9,P95,and a P97 all from Ruger. I used to own those blocked up Glocks,but,NO MORE. Couldn't conceal them properly. A .357/38 revolver will do you very well and,you won't have to chase brass from a semi.

glock2740
07-19-2012, 15:04
I just picked up 10 Ruger revolvers from the Security Six to the GP100 series from 1975 to the 1995 era and I will not sell any of them. They are my collections of revolvers. I do have 3 semis,LC9,P95,and a P97 all from Ruger. I used to own those blocked up Glocks,but,NO MORE. Couldn't conceal them properly. A .357/38 revolver will do you very well and,you won't have to chase brass from a semi.
You couldn't conceal a G26?:dunno:

glock2740
07-19-2012, 15:05
Since you are looking for a safe gun/range gun, I would buy a Smith and Wesson 627 8 shot .357 magnum. Most of the purists out there will pooh pooh on the lock, or that a revolver should be a six shot, well,they are welcome to their opinions. If the lock offends you that bad, it can be disabled and the hole filled. Now, if I were buying something to carry, it would be a Glock 29, or a J frame centennial .357
I came very close to buying a 627 awhile back. Awesome gun.

VinnieD
07-19-2012, 16:11
Go for the .357mag. You already have 2 semi autos and as this is meant to be a range gun anyway, there's no need for another piece of tactical tupperware. Treat yourself to a nice steel framed revolver. I'd highly recommend the Dan Wesson model 15 if you can find one. The swappable barrels, tighter tuning, and adjustable cylinder gap will give yo lots of options and even tighten up your accuracy a bit. It's also built for Magnums so you can fire your hottest loads all day long without wearing it down.

CDR_Glock
07-19-2012, 19:31
357 Magnums are my favorite. I have S&W PC/Pro Series 627 in 4" and 5". Excellent!

I have a Coonan 1911 357 magnum. That is an excellent pistol, too.

glock2740
07-19-2012, 19:41
357 Magnums are my favorite. I have S&W PC/Pro Series 627 in 4" and 5". Excellent!
.
Pics man, pics! :cool:

Jade Falcon
07-19-2012, 19:54
I have a 4" Ruger GP100 in .357 Mag, and I absolutely love it. I highly recommend it.

Hemoglobin
07-19-2012, 20:28
I'll play devil's advocate here. I have a Gemini Customs sp101 357 I try to love, but I'm about to sell it. Honestly I just could care less about revolvers. I tried so hard, convinced myself several times that I wanted it. I bought expensive holsters... everything. I just don't care, not even at the range.

The one thing I'll say about a Glock 20 is... 10mm usefulness with a 9x25dillon range toy. It makes some noise and some flash that is worth a try.

FWIW I have a glock 19 for nightstand and classes, but a glock 32 gen 4 for ccw now. I can't escape the sig. Dropped my .45 for it

barth
07-19-2012, 20:30
I have a G27 with an extended ported 357 Sig barrel.
It's ultra accurate and one of my favorite range guns.
But my S&W M65-3 3" heavy barrel 357 Magnum
is flat amazing too.

I really can't help you...LOL!

Guess since you have some autos and no revolvers,
I'd lean towards a S&W 357 magnum.

Maybe a nice tuned 686

bac1023
07-19-2012, 20:49
Out of those three calibers, I much prefer 357mag.

RickG9x19
07-19-2012, 21:17
Out of those three calibers, I much prefer 357mag.

Me too! I have Glock 19 which I love but the 357 Magnum is a great round and revolvers always go boom.


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CDR_Glock
07-19-2012, 22:29
Pics man, pics! :cool:

It's on my YouTube channel.

Bruce M
07-20-2012, 05:49
I like my .357 revolvers about as much as anyone, and if I could only have one I would lean towards a Model 28 or Model 27. I would also suggest to think about a .22 revolver or maybe a .22 pistol as unless one has a substantial ammunition budget, a .22 is alot more practical to shoot on a budget.

Coastal
07-20-2012, 22:06
Although I'm more of a semi-auto guy myself I do own a couple of .357 Magnums. Since you've already got a couple of semi-autos, and you're not planning on using this as a self-defence gun, I say go for a .357 Magnum revolver. I picked up a 4" GP100 last year after owning no other revolvers but S&W .357s for over 25 years and I was truly surprised how much I like it. Believe it or not f I had to carry a revolver I'd carry that one. I still own a 5" S&W Performance Centre 686 which is a phenomenal revolver. If you can, try a few and see which you like best.

DFin
07-21-2012, 08:53
Get a G-20 & a .357 mag revolver.
1. G20 + conversion barrels in .357 Sig & .40 S&W. (1 gun, 3 calibers!)
2. .357 mag can also fire .38 special.

You need both. Everyone does.

blastfact
07-21-2012, 12:13
I have a fare amount of .357 Sig ammo, but no pistol to fire it in. It just kinda shows up here at the shack. And I like the round and the pistols that shoot it. So maybe I will pick up a compact .357 Sig pistol in the future. I can see valid use for the round in 124/125gn loading. But it will never be a .357 mag.

If you want a .357 mag revolver go get you some. Get what ever brand you want and spend what you want on one. Mine is a current production MIM and Locked 686P 4" and the wife's is a 3" 60 Pro. Both bought new in the box. My 686 by all rights could have been cited as defective from the factory. With only three factory test shot fired. It should have never left the factory. But for $500 OTD I fixed her up. I shoot nothing but max book or over max book .357 loads out of both of them. From 125gn to 180gn bullets. And enjoy every shot fired out of them. And don't feel the need to cry like a baby about recoil or hand pain. They are mags for goodness sake's! And the pistols handle the power just fine.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/357.jpg

10mm you say? Yeah they are nice. :) I once had a Colt Delta Elite. Lets just say I broke in my Glock G20 on ammo that repeatedly broke my over priced under preforming Colt DE. And did so with a Lone Wolf barrel. I've never shot a round through my OEM Glock 10mm barrel. It's chamber is as loose as a $2.00 whore. So it's safe to say I'm in no way a fan of 1911 style 10mm hand guns. Nor Glock OEM barrels. I would rather have a Taurus or Charter Arms .357 revolver than a 1911 10mm. :tongueout: With a desire to shoot 10mm after the sorry Clot I mean Colt experience. Low and behold a buddy of mine had 500 rounds of my old reloads that broke my DE I had given him for his 3 gen Smith he never used. The G20 then enters stage right with the LW barrel and connector and a bit of detail work.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/g202.jpg

To get into 10mm you just can't beat a Glock. It can't be done. Be it a 29 or 20. Yeah the trigger is mush and it resets like a mouse trap going off. But you can mod it anyway you like. Yeah it's grip and fit is not taylor made for some folks. GET OVER IT. Get past it and enjoy a wonderful pistol. I pulled my head out over Glock egro's and haven't looked back. 10mm truly is the King of Glockdom. And Glock should be given a big high five and dance concerning the long term production of there 10mm pistols. When others bailed Glock kept the G20 in production for those of use that had the itch. And for that I am grateful. And because of there dedication to 10mm weapon production I may well purchase a 29 SF come Sept.

Folks go on about how the 10mm really isn't any better than the .357. I call BS. My .357 in a tad more accurate in my hands and it can hit HARD! But put a 5" or 6" .357 and 10mm head to head. I can always make the 10mm hit harder and be almost as accurate and well within the range of run and gun / combat accuracy. With more rounds to boot per reload. Some folks will pull out a so called trump card called bullet sectional density between .357 and .40. They are right by the numbers. But a proper set up and loaded 10mm will always through bullets faster and make a bigger hole.

My Smith and Glock at over common book loads at 50 yards off hand.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/50y.jpg

.357 Sig need not apply at this range and energy levels. :supergrin:

The Glock is a machine. The Smith is a work of modern cheap ass college boy industrial art. Both are flat out lethal and combat weapons.

coleslaw
07-21-2012, 22:54
Thanks everyone. I have to sleep on this for a while. I'm really torn between the high capacity of the Glock 20 and devastating power of the 10mm and the beauty of a nice .357 and the classic .357 mag power.

Berto
07-21-2012, 23:49
You can 'overload' both .357mag (353 Casull) and 10mm, but the .357mag has the case volume to go bigger, the 10mm has the bigger diameter boolits.

Angry Fist
07-22-2012, 00:07
I'm sold, Berto! Bigger boolits, that is.... :rock: