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lawson12
07-19-2012, 09:03
Does anyone else think it was a bad idea for him to do this? For one thing, I wouldn't have said I'm sorry it happened, I would have said I'm sorry it had to happen. Martin had a choice that night too. I say let the trial run its course before you go on TV.

Gary1911A1
07-19-2012, 09:13
I sure do. It might be interesting to ask Massad Ayoob this question in his section.

sheriff733
07-19-2012, 09:15
Nope. Don't see a problem with it at all.


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B.Reid
07-19-2012, 09:22
I found it very interesting.

Cream Soda Kid
07-19-2012, 09:27
Does anyone else think it was a bad idea for him to do this? For one thing, I wouldn't have said I'm sorry it happened, I would have said I'm sorry it had to happen. Martin had a choice that night too. I say let the trial run its course before you go on TV.

I agree, in fact, I donít believe I would have granted an interview at all.

Arc Angel
07-19-2012, 09:29
Zimmerman's lawyer (and his advice) scare me! George seriously needs to know when to shut up, remain completely silent, and wait. All he's showing his opponents, right now, is that he has little or no impulse control.

Glenn E. Meyer
07-19-2012, 09:53
From my read of the jury research, he has two problems:

1. Didn't show real regret.
2. If he refuses to take the stand, then his story will be seen as manipulation. He has the right not to, but a SD claim admits you killed someone. It is not that you are claiming you didn't do it. Thus, the jury wants you to explain.

Given the evidence, we don't know - his story might be taken apart by a prosecution. He has set himself up to testify.

3. Last saying it was God's will can offend folks with sophisticated religious beliefs. He decided to do this or that, the Deity didn't predestinate this.

His dishonesty about money and child abuse charges (which a jury will have heard about and not ignore, despite instructions) don't aid his creds.

Thus, should have shut up.

skyboss_4evr
07-19-2012, 11:54
From my read of the jury research, he has two problems:

1. Didn't show real regret.
2. If he refuses to take the stand, then his story will be seen as manipulation. He has the right not to, but a SD claim admits you killed someone. It is not that you are claiming you didn't do it. Thus, the jury wants you to explain.

Given the evidence, we don't know - his story might be taken apart by a prosecution. He has set himself up to testify.

3. Last saying it was God's will can offend folks with sophisticated religious beliefs. He decided to do this or that, the Deity didn't predestinate this.

His dishonesty about money and child abuse charges (which a jury will have heard about and not ignore, despite instructions) don't aid his creds.

Thus, should have shut up.

1. Your idea that he should show "real regret" for defending his life against a deadly assault, is ridiculous. If you carry/keep a weapon for self defense, you might want to re-think it.

2. Maybe.

3. Seriously??? Are you some sort of "sophisticated", liberal heathen?? He shouldn't express his feelings out of fear of offending someone?? Ridiculous!!


Mark my words... he will NOT be found guilty of 2nd degree murder.

Wolfgang
07-19-2012, 12:25
He is already convicted.

I wouldn't have done the interview.

Glenn E. Meyer
07-19-2012, 12:57
Regret - ridiculous? You didn't understand my post.

It was not an ideological attack on self-defense. That's your projection of views.

What I'm talking about is jury research on how you present yourself. If you take a life, the jury probably wants to see regret, even if it was a true villian. Not some gun internet fan attaboy, good kill attitude.

If you choose not to believe defense strategies for ideological views - good for you. Hope your lawyer has more sense.

lawson12
07-19-2012, 14:11
The world doesn't need to know everything before it goes to trial. And if you think you acted in SD and you still feel the need to explain yourself, you may come across as someone that's not so sure. I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the shed anyway. Regret? Dumb people's expressions are the same no matter the emotion.

glock_19guy1983
07-19-2012, 14:16
From my read of the jury research, he has two problems:

1. Didn't show real regret.


Why should he show regret for the killing of a scumbag? I believe he should have stayed in his car and let the real cops handle the situation, but he didnt and the thug attacked him for it. If anything GZ d the tax payers a favor by putting one more social parasite in the ground.

Misty02
07-19-2012, 15:10
Does anyone else think it was a bad idea for him to do this? For one thing, I wouldn't have said I'm sorry it happened, I would have said I'm sorry it had to happen. Martin had a choice that night too. I say let the trial run its course before you go on TV.

A potential for more inconsistencies if it finally gets to trial. I think it was a very bad idea!

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Glenn E. Meyer
07-19-2012, 17:31
Geez, these are some of the silliest comments, I've seen. A lot of ranting that has nothing to do with a real trial.

I would say something stronger but I have common sense. I hope some readers have the rational abilities to understand what I said.

Trial tactics - duh. If you can't get that point, well - :rofl:

Louisville Glocker
07-19-2012, 17:42
It really doesn't matter what he said or didn't say in the interview.

He should NOT have done it!

It really can't help him, but any inconsistencies can be used against him. In fact, the prosecution has already filed to have the interview used as evidence.

It is as if he thinks his trial is in the court of public opinion. I agree, the public will come to some decision, but what Zimmerman need to worry about is the court of Law. He should keep his mouth shut. "You have the right to remain silent." Use it, dummy!

I'm surprised his lawyer let him do the interview. But didn't the Penn state child molester guy do an interview too? Why in the world are they talking to the world? To gain more fame and cash in someday? To blame a negligent lawyer when they are found guilty? I really don't get it.

Examples of things that will be used against him include:

"I feel that it was all God's plan," he told Hannity. When asked if there was "anything you might do differently," Zimmerman responded, "No Sir."

But later, he said: "I do wish that there was something, anything I could have done that would have put me in the position that I wouldn't have to take his life," he said.

Those two statements from the same interview can undermine his credibility. And I don't think the whole "God's plan" thing will go over well in court either.

jdavionic
07-19-2012, 18:37
The only reason that I can think for doing the interview is to attempt to sway public opinion. I see nothing gained from this move. Folks that hate him will still hate him. Folks that approve of his actions will still do so. And folks like me that won't cast judgement until all of the evidence is out there...will not be swayed in either direction.

However prosecutors will analyze his every word in the interview and look for inconsistencies to capitalize on during the trial.

Bottom line - an action that had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Seems like a bad decision to me.

unit1069
07-19-2012, 18:44
How could Zimmerman's lawyer be so stupid as to let his client talk to the media, even an interviewer sympathetic to discovering the truth?

I heard on the news tonight that the prosecutor will surely use Zimmerman's statements against him. Zimmerman needs to fire his lawyer and seek competent legal counsel.

skyboss_4evr
07-19-2012, 20:06
He is already convicted.

I wouldn't have done the interview.

I agree with your second sentence. As for the first, I wasn't aware the trial was already finished! You must be psychic or something. Either that or you believe the media's opinion actually means anything in a court of law.

FireForged
07-19-2012, 20:55
I would not regret nor feel badly for defending myself.

Nope, I would not have been saying "im sorry" to everyone. Saying "im sorry" is darn near a acknowledgement of wrong doing in most situations.

Nope, I would not be talking in public. He probably disqualified a million conservative minded prospecitive jurors who saw the interview.

cadillacguns
07-20-2012, 03:27
Didn't see it, but I agree with others, he should nothave done it. Remember "Anything you say, anywhere, any time, MAY be used against you in a court of law".

ricklee4570
07-20-2012, 03:55
Then there are those that say if you are innocent why hide behind the lawyers? It is a no win situation. I think he came off pretty good. After all, the prosecuters are looking like idiots now, as everyone is wondering what evidence they have to prove murder? All the witnesses back Zimmermans story. There is noone to counter whether Trayvon Matin threw the first punch and attacked him.

pesticidal
07-20-2012, 04:10
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justice/florida-zimmerman-interview/index.html


Zimmerman balks at ABC interview after network rejects demands

Gallium
07-20-2012, 04:49
Why should he show regret for the killing of a scumbag? I believe he should have stayed in his car and let the real cops handle the situation, but he didnt and the thug attacked him for it. If anything GZ d the tax payers a favor by putting one more social parasite in the ground.


I can't believe the issue being discussed by Glen sails over your head so cleanly. For that to be the case, your IQ would have to be alarmingly low. My hunch is, your ability to process (logic) is being clouded by something else. What is it?

Gallium
07-20-2012, 04:50
It really doesn't matter what he said or didn't say in the interview.

He should NOT have done it!

It really can't help him, but any inconsistencies can be used against him. In fact, the prosecution has already filed to have the interview used as evidence.

It is as if he thinks his trial is in the court of public opinion. I agree, the public will come to some decision, but what Zimmerman need to worry about is the court of Law. He should keep his mouth shut. "You have the right to remain silent." Use it, dummy!

I'm surprised his lawyer let him do the interview. But didn't the Penn state child molester guy do an interview too? Why in the world are they talking to the world? To gain more fame and cash in someday? To blame a negligent lawyer when they are found guilty? I really don't get it.

Examples of things that will be used against him include:

"I feel that it was all God's plan," he told Hannity. When asked if there was "anything you might do differently," Zimmerman responded, "No Sir."

But later, he said: "I do wish that there was something, anything I could have done that would have put me in the position that I wouldn't have to take his life," he said.

Those two statements from the same interview can undermine his credibility. And I don't think the whole "God's plan" thing will go over well in court either.


I agree wholeheartedly with this. A well thought out and articulated post.

The liberal 5% of me wants to take credit for this. :tbo:

Gallium
07-20-2012, 04:55
Zimmerman thinks that additional exposure = more funds raised.

The other truth is, he (like many of us here who post, me included) likes to hear/see himself speak, and has a warped sense of reality that if he is simply allowed to air his side, all will be ok.

Also, the attention whore in him is awakening. Even under dire circumstances, some people are flattered that NBC/CBS/FOX/ABC wants to have one of their top speaking heads talk to you. This is underscored by the fact he called into the Today Show, even after his terms for money and secure housing were not met.

I have long put the initial shooting behind me. His actions TODAY are indicative of someone who is not all there. Unfortunately for him, I and well as any potential juror will look at him current behavior to explain past behavior.

- G

ricklee4570
07-20-2012, 06:46
I dont think the interview hurt him at all. If the prosecution brings up anything in the interview, then the defense could use anything they want in the interviews and Zimmerman would not be subject to questioning unless he chooses to take the stand. If the defense brings up anything in the interview FIRST, then the prosecution could require Zimmerman to testify so they could question him on the accounts stated.

So in this case, Zimmerman was getting a chance to tell his side of the story without risk of argument.

TTex
07-20-2012, 06:57
I think he opened up his pie hole and put his foot in it. Now I think it is going to be "God's plan" that he do time over this.

Stephenopolis
07-20-2012, 08:22
It seems that the more Zimerman opens his mouth to all the interviewers on the local and national level, the less likely he be able to find an imparical jury. Could this be his lawyer's dream? Who knows! What a way to run a client!

lawson12
07-20-2012, 08:44
I'm afraid it'll turn into a win for Sharpton and his ilk.

Arc Angel
07-20-2012, 09:33
From my read of the jury research, he has two problems:

1. Didn't show real regret.
2. If he refuses to take the stand, then his story will be seen as manipulation. He has the right not to, but a SD claim admits you killed someone. It is not that you are claiming you didn't do it. Thus, the jury wants you to explain.

Given the evidence, we don't know - his story might be taken apart by a prosecution. He has set himself up to testify.

3. Last saying it was God's will can offend folks with sophisticated religious beliefs. He decided to do this or that, the Deity didn't predestinate this.

His dishonesty about money and child abuse charges (which a jury will have heard about and not ignore, despite instructions) don't aid his creds.

Thus, should have shut up.

The above reply is more like, 'right on the money' than anything else! That's how I see things too; and I've spent a lot of time in argumentative courtrooms. Court isn't the real world; it's an extension of the prevailing socio-political system (and popular morality) in its most extreme form.

Translation? ZIMMERMAN IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF, 'COOKING HIS OWN GOOSE'; AND, FOR REASONS I DON'T PRESENTLY UNDERSTAND, HIS LAWYER IS ALLOWING HIM TO DO IT. :freak:

Why should he show regret for the killing of a scumbag? I believe he should have stayed in his car and let the real cops handle the situation, but he didnt and the thug attacked him for it. If anything GZ d(oes)(Ed.) the tax payers a favor by putting one more social parasite in the ground.

:) My friend, you need to, 'get with the program'. America is presently a society of badly confused, 'milk toast' socialists. Our armies fight wars in accord with genuinely screwed up, 'rules of engagement'; and nobody ever seems to object. Our police officers are given desk jobs or taken off duty after using their firearms to end (truculent) life. Vists to a police psychologist for therapy and after-action counseling are, now, de rigueur.

(Let me ask you something: Can you see Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, or, 'Big Arnold' receiving psychological counseling at the end of one of their exceedingly violent shoot 'um up movies? I can't.)

Today, we even have school children committing suicide because someone bullied them on-line! (How's that for, 'sensitive'!) I see and hear these things and marvel to myself at what has become of the strong American characters and personalities of my youth? We were, once, a nation of strong men; now we are a national society of overly sensitive, dependent, godless, and immoral plebeians.

Who's responsible, in large part, for all of these sweeping national changes into mental and emotional degeneration? The national news media - That's who. The same national news media that's trying to whip up hatred between Blacks and Whites over Zimmerman's cold blooded murder of a sweet little Black boy. (The only thing the organized news media left out of ALL of their initial news reports is a picture of, 'little Trayvon' licking an, 'all day sucker' lollipop.)

At least to my mind, if not anyone else's, this entire event appears to have been orchestrated to place Blacks and Whites at each other's throats! So far though, thanks be to God, people don't seem to have fallen for it; which is NOT the same thing as saying the organized news media is going to stop trying.

To directly answer your question: George Zimmerman should express genuine remorse because THAT is the socially acceptable and expected personal response. (The kids are, now, being preprogrammed for this societal crap in public school.) If Zimmerman does less the, 'popular mind' will immediately recognize the discrepancy and the: news media, the court, and any impressionable jury will aggressively move to punish the social deviation. THAT IS, 'WHY'.

It seems that the more Zimerman opens his mouth to all the interviewers on the local and national level, the less likely he('ll)(Ed.) be able to find an imparical jury. Could this be his lawyer's dream? Who knows! What a way to run a client!

You noticed that too! ;)

SCmasterblaster
07-20-2012, 09:40
GZ needs to remain silent.

cowboywannabe
07-20-2012, 10:27
this guy is going to be thrown under the bus to keep the animals in the zoo. he may as well make as much money as he can to support his family now because after his conviction he will not be allowed to profit from this.

LApm9
07-20-2012, 10:45
In a case like this, one should rely on one's lawyer. If the lawyer recommends the interview, one should do it...or get a different lawyer.

This is one way to get his UNCHALLENGED, unsworn, story in front of a jury without the peril of cross examination.

If I am correct...if the prosecution makes a single reference to this interview, the defense can demand the whole thing be shown.

SouthernBoyVA
07-20-2012, 14:18
Regret - ridiculous? You didn't understand my post.

It was not an ideological attack on self-defense. That's your projection of views.

What I'm talking about is jury research on how you present yourself. If you take a life, the jury probably wants to see regret, even if it was a true villian. Not some gun internet fan attaboy, good kill attitude.

If you choose not to believe defense strategies for ideological views - good for you. Hope your lawyer has more sense.

My state has was is called an "affirmative defense". This means that you affirm the fact that yes, you shot Mr. Jones and here are the reasons why you did this. And given the same or similar set of circumstances, you would do it again. If you display remorse for your actions or you second guess what you did, this is probably going to work against you.

In Virginia, the criteria is this;

If, at the time of the incident, you held a good faith belief based upon objective facts, that you were in imminent danger of serious bodily harm, you may use deadly force to defend yourself.

What constitutes serious bodily harm? Lacerations, contusions, broken bones, disfigurement, burns, puncture wounds, temporary unconsciousness are some of the injuries which qualify as serious bodily harm.

I am surprised that Zimmerman's attorney agreed to this interview but I'm sure he had his reasons. I would bet the prosecution is going to poor over what was said in an effort to bolster their case.

writwing
07-21-2012, 12:10
I agree with your second sentence. As for the first, I wasn't aware the trial was already finished! You must be psychic or something. Either that or you believe the media's opinion actually means anything in a court of law.


So you do not believe that the jury will feel pressure to convict someone that the media has attacked and even the president has spoken against?

Arc Angel
07-21-2012, 15:10
My state has was is called an "affirmative defense". This means that you affirm the fact that yes, you shot Mr. Jones and here are the reasons why you did this. And given the same or similar set of circumstances, you would do it again. If you display remorse for your actions or you second guess what you did, this is probably going to work against you.

Exactly! :thumbsup:

....... I am surprised that Zimmerman's attorney agreed to this interview but I'm sure he had his reasons. I would bet the prosecution is going to poor (sic) over what was said in an effort to bolster their case.

Yeah, but most professional attorneys aren't that stupid by accident. Personally, I've already heard enough to suspect the guy is very subtly, 'torpedoing' his client. (I don't know, 'Why'; but, maybe, you shouldn't hire an attorney who's been recommended by your competition?)

Are the state attorneys going to POUR over, both, Zimmerman's remarks as well as his motivation for making them? In a prosecution that's starving for factual and culpable information ....... You bet your sweet bippy they will! :freak:

SouthernBoyVA
07-22-2012, 04:38
Exactly! :thumbsup:



Yeah, but most professional attorneys aren't that stupid by accident. Personally, I've already heard enough to suspect the guy is very subtly, 'torpedoing' his client. (I don't know, 'Why'; but, maybe, you shouldn't hire an attorney who's been recommended by your competition?)

Are the state attorneys going to POUR over, both, Zimmerman's remarks as well as his motivation for making them? In a prosecution that's starving for factual and culpable information ....... You bet your sweet bippy they will! :freak:

Sorry for the typo (poor vs pour). I do know better. Good catch.

Arc Angel
07-22-2012, 05:08
:) Good morning! (I know you do.) ;)

volsbear
07-22-2012, 20:39
Zimmerman should've been watching the news in Illinois for the last few years. Drew Petersen is about to go on trial simply for running his damn mouth. This idiot should exercise his right to shut the hell up.


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SpringerTGO
07-22-2012, 21:05
Funny how many people here think they know more than Zimmermans attorney. His attorney is supposed to be very good. It's also funny how many people here are going off on Zimmerman not taking the stand.... like you guys not only know more than his attorney, you also know all the things he would open himself up to on cross examination.

Makes me wonder about some of the other "expert" advice these same people dish out.

FFR Spyder GT
07-22-2012, 22:32
I think he opened up his pie hole and put his foot in it. Now I think it is going to be "God's plan" that he do time over this.

+1.

In the words of Tony Beretta " Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.".

Arc Angel
07-23-2012, 05:40
+1.

In the words of Tony Beretta " Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.".

:upeyes: Yeah, but he DID THE CRIME and didn't do the time! :supergrin: