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Buckshot Barry
07-22-2012, 09:24
Just learned that my May 2012 G23 Gen 3, S/N TCX2xx has an extractor with the dip. It was very hard for me to find photos of what I should be looking for. Anyway, here are the photos from m4carbine.net

Replacements are on the way from midwayusa.com

EDIT: I'm not sure Midway has the new non-dipped extractors for .40 Glocks. All the posts I've seen referring to the new non-dipped design have referenced 9mm extractors.

http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1323727&postcount=816

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9924/p1030854m.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3163/p1030855e.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9823/p1030856r.jpg

SJ 40
07-22-2012, 10:03
Barry
Good pictures better than anything I was able to find,Thanks for posting them. SJ 40

vmann
07-22-2012, 10:19
whats the problem....

Buckshot Barry
07-22-2012, 10:26
whats the problem....

Out of 155 rounds fired so far in my new G23 3rd gen, I've had no malfunctions, but one ejected case hit me in the forehead. Erratic ejections are attributed to a new MIM process Glock started using about 2009 to manufacture the extractors.

Paul53
07-22-2012, 21:26
Keep hearing but don't know what "MIM" means, other need quick reflexes to avoid head bonks. Anybody know?

SJ 40
07-22-2012, 21:28
Keep hearing but don't know what "MIM" means, other need quick reflexes to avoid head bonks. Anybody know?Metal Injection Moulding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_injection_molding SJ 40

Paul53
07-22-2012, 22:14
Thanks SJ.

Beretta92guy
07-23-2012, 17:16
so NOW i see what the "dipped" extractor looks like...thanks OP for that......

now let me as a question, so without taking my slide apart, can i tell if the extractor has the dip in it?????....and the "dipped" extractor is the one causing all the problems???

SJ 40
07-23-2012, 19:39
so NOW i see what the "dipped" extractor looks like...thanks OP for that......

now let me as a question, so without taking my slide apart, can i tell if the extractor has the dip in it?????....and the "dipped" extractor is the one causing all the problems???B 92 Guy
The ones I have seen can be detected without even removing the extractor from the slide.
If you look at the top edge of the extractor as it sits in the slide you can see the dip,if not it's as simple as a slide strip. SJ 40

kaech
07-23-2012, 19:47
:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

Buckshot Barry
07-23-2012, 19:55
:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

DeadHorse,

Please provide some links to threads on Glock Talk that show those of us that are un-informed what a dipped extractor actually looks like. I had to go to m4carbine.net to find these clear examples of a dipped vs non-dipped extractor.

scosgt
07-23-2012, 21:26
I have an EXO G27, RHS serial. I don't see the dip. Did not take the slide apart, but I don't see it.
It is an LCI extractor,
No problems with the gun.

frostyicy
07-24-2012, 06:07
I get brass to the face I have the 336 ejector. Could someone let me know if my G19 has the dip or non-dipped extractor I have pics below.

The last 2 pics are the same I just rotated for a different angle.
If you need more pics let me know. Thanks fellas.

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-51_614.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-43_962-1.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-32_57-1.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-32_57.jpg

SJ 40
07-24-2012, 07:06
I get brass to the face I have the 336 ejector. Could someone let me know if my G19 has the dip or non-dipped extractor I have pics below.

The last 2 pics are the same I just rotated for a different angle.
If you need more pics let me know. Thanks fellas.

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-51_614.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-43_962-1.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-32_57-1.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/frostyicy/2012-07-24_07-46-32_57.jpgYour Extractor or the portion needed to identify it is located on the right hand side of the slide,directly behind the ejection port. It's not seen from the correct angle in those photographs.

Look along the top edge of it between the top edge from the right hand side of the slide,on many guns it can be seen without having to detail strip the slide. SJ 40

Glock_9mm
07-24-2012, 15:10
So is this a non-dipped or dipped...to me it appears non-dipped. TIA,
Scott

SJ 40
07-24-2012, 15:22
So is this a non-dipped or dipped...to me it appears non-dipped. TIA,
ScottTo me it appears to be dipped but in the photo along the top edge where it resides in it's recess in the slide,their is a shadow thrown on the top edge of the extractor. SJ 40

Glock_9mm
07-24-2012, 15:30
To me it appears to be dipped but in the photo along the top edge where it resides in it's recess in the slide,their is a shadow thrown on the top edge of the extractor. SJ 40

Thanks. It would make sense that it is dipped based on the serial, my G26 appears to be identical.
Scott

Paul53
07-24-2012, 15:40
SJ is right, it's dipped.

SJ 40
07-24-2012, 15:41
One of our GT gurus Butch has somewhere on hear taken excellent photos of Glock extractors or at least I think I remember seeing one he had taken,of Glock extractors Machined ,investment cast.MiMed if he sees this maybe he could repost it.
Actually his photos should be collected and put in a photo resources section,they are of that quality. SJ 40

MGman
07-24-2012, 18:39
I looked at all the pics and still can't see the difference of dipped and non dipped. Can someone copy the pic then open in Paint and then red circle the area of dippage (is that a word?)

That would be most appreciated.

MGman
07-24-2012, 18:54
Here is the dipped and non dipped (note the red areas for differences.


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8821/extractor1copy.jpg







http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1667/dippedpic1.jpg

Paul53
07-24-2012, 18:55
226724

It looks like a shadow, but in good light you'll see a curve or dip here. It's not profound, but hold a strait edge up to it and it's obvious,

kodiakpb
07-24-2012, 18:57
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/kodiakp/d34496c1.jpg

kodiakpb
07-24-2012, 19:01
Here is the dipped and non dipped (note the red areas for differences.


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8821/extractor1copy.jpg







http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1667/dippedpic1.jpg

Wait did you just reply to yourself and answer the question?

MGman
07-24-2012, 19:05
Wait did you just reply to yourself and answer the question?

Actually yes I did. :rofl:

I took more time to look and then I could see the difference...so I posted with red to show others.

frostyicy
07-24-2012, 19:06
Good pics guys. I definitely have the dipped extractor.

Are we sure that the dipped extractor is causing the problems once all other possible variables have been accounted for i.e. limp wristing, bad ammo, ejector issues. etc???

Also how do I go about gettin a non-dipped extractor???

SJ 40
07-25-2012, 06:15
Here is the dipped and non dipped (note the red areas for differences.


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8821/extractor1copy.jpg







http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1667/dippedpic1.jpgMG Man
Great pics,Yes that is the dipped extractor. SJ 40

IllinoisGun
07-25-2012, 21:05
Who put the MIM in the Glock extractor?
Who put the dip in the dip dip dip dip dip?
Who was that man? I'd like to shake his hand!
He made me fall in love with my Glock 30.
Yeeeah!

56tango
07-26-2012, 13:51
Well Ill be Dipped. You learn somthing every day here thanks for the dipped and non dipped pictures and how it all came about .

SD Handgunner
07-26-2012, 13:59
My Gen 3 Model 26 purchased a little over a year ago appears to have the dipped extractor. Do I need to worry about replacing it as I have put over 500 rounds through this Model 26 without a single issue what so ever.

Larry

skyboss_4evr
07-26-2012, 14:39
My Gen 3 Model 26 purchased a little over a year ago appears to have the dipped extractor. Do I need to worry about replacing it as I have put over 500 rounds through this Model 26 without a single issue what so ever.

Larry

No. If it's functioning properly, there's nothing to "fix."

SD Handgunner
07-26-2012, 18:25
That is what I was thinking but just wondered if I should have a spare on hand.

Larry

HKLovingIT
07-26-2012, 19:24
That is what I was thinking but just wondered if I should have a spare on hand.

Larry

Doesn't hurt to have spares around for small parts but if it's working fine no need to replace. I have ones with MIM extractors that have not had any issues. They are all in the thousands of rounds. They are all pre-2010 9mm models. But again, if yours works right I would not personally be concerned.

I've only been fooling with my 03/2012 G17 that was trouble from day one.

glock21-
07-27-2012, 21:24
nice guy's now im gonna go strip down my gun and see what i have !

Buckshot Barry
07-27-2012, 22:07
nice guy's now im gonna go strip down my gun and see what i have !

Lots of videos on YouTube. Here is just one on how to detail strip the upper

Glock upper receiver (slide) disassembly and reassembly.wmv - YouTube

tango44
07-28-2012, 08:14
tagged

cowboy1964
07-28-2012, 17:28
I understand the non-dipped is fixing many people's problems. I'm not clear on WHY it makes such a difference.

I'm still waiting for Apex's kit. Any update on that?

Paul53
07-28-2012, 17:33
nice guy's now im gonna go strip down my gun and see what i have !

You don't need to strip your gun, the dipped or not dipped extractor surface visible just looking at the side. If in doubt hold a staright edge up to it.

If you're not having problems, there's nothing to fix. Lone wolf sells their own brand extractor too.

Z71bill
08-15-2012, 13:36
226724

It looks like a shadow, but in good light you'll see a curve or dip here. It's not profound, but hold a strait edge up to it and it's obvious,

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8821/extractor1copy.jpg

My G19 looks exactly like this picture - looks dipped -

I just cleaned the slide and took the extractor out -

Mine is NOT dipped.

I think what we are seeing is a shadow - the forward edge of the extractor is set into the slide slightly more than the back edge - this causes it to look like a slope -



:dunno:

Only way to know for sure is remove the extractor --

glockenturm
08-15-2012, 15:44
Hahaha..... I thought dipped meant dipped in paint.

The two I have which should have problems based on feedback are 100%. Then again, they are both Blue Label. Does this make a difference?

Message sent from Texas!

Z71bill
08-15-2012, 16:04
Hahaha..... I thought dipped meant dipped in paint.

The two I have which should have problems based on feedback are 100%. Then again, they are both Blue Label. Does this make a difference?

Message sent from Texas!

Blue label doesn't change the gun.

tonyparson
08-15-2012, 17:44
Hahaha..... I thought dipped meant dipped in paint.

The two I have which should have problems based on feedback are 100%. Then again, they are both Blue Label. Does this make a difference?

Message sent from Texas!

My 2010 blue label G23 with a dip extractor sends about 2 or 3 empty cases to my face ever mag full I shoot out of it. I just bought a like new 2002 G27 with a no-dip extractor and I plan on changing the two out and see what happens.

SJ 40
08-15-2012, 21:12
Hahaha..... I thought dipped meant dipped in paint.

The two I have which should have problems based on feedback are 100%. Then again, they are both Blue Label. Does this make a difference?

Message sent from Texas!YuP the plastic case the gun comes in has a blue label on it instead of a white or red one on it other than that no. SJ 40

tonyparson
08-15-2012, 21:57
YuP the plastic case the gun comes in has a blue label on it instead of a white or red one on it other than that no. SJ 40

I had a guy on a gun broad trying to sell a blue label G26. He was saying Glock has guys that just build blue label Glocks and put better made parts in them because Cops buy them for duty work. I just laughed. I have a few blue label Glocks and there is no difference in them and red label Glocks..:supergrin:

glockenturm
08-16-2012, 00:19
Blue label doesn't change the gun.

That's good to know.

BTW, I have a dipped extractor and a 336 ejector on a G19 RTF2. No Brass to Face. Don't know about erratic ejection as I never paid attention. I'll be dipped if I do start having problems. Wish I never heard of any of it.

Eric2340
08-16-2012, 12:24
These are the two best photos I have seen online to show the difference -

Comparison -

"Dipped" on top, "non-dipped" on bottom -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj23/esg94045/IMAG0191.jpg



Clear view of the "dipped" extractor, and the "dipped" area it's self -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj23/esg94045/Ejector4.jpg



HTH

Z71bill
08-16-2012, 13:42
These are the two best photos I have seen online to show the difference -

Comparison -

"Dipped" on top, "non-dipped" on bottom -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj23/esg94045/IMAG0191.jpg



Clear view of the "dipped" extractor, and the "dipped" area it's self -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj23/esg94045/Ejector4.jpg



HTH

I tried taking a picture - :embarassed:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/z71bill/gun%20pics/DSCF0005-5.jpg


My G19 looks like your top picture - but is not a dipped extractor.

Chriz_Manson
08-20-2012, 17:58
How and where can I purchase a non-dipped extractor? Id rather not send it too glock, I would just rather fix it myself.

tonyparson
08-20-2012, 18:00
How and where can I purchase a non-dipped extractor? Id rather not send it too glock, I would just rather fix it myself.

You can find them on eBay for around $17 with free shipping.

Chriz_Manson
08-20-2012, 18:12
You can find them on eBay for around $17 with free shipping.

How do I tell which ones are non dipped?

tonyparson
08-20-2012, 18:16
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Chriz_Manson
08-20-2012, 20:21
I have a Glock 21sf 3rd gen with a non dipped extractor and it appears to be the same size as my Glock19 Gen4 extractor. Does anyone know if the two are safe too change.

nraman
08-21-2012, 00:20
Is it possible that the problem is not the DIP but the LCI?
I put an LCI and non LCI extractors side by side and they look identical except for the LCI protrusion of course. Didn't have a chance to measure and compare the two.
When they went to the LCI, they changed the loaded bearing with a new one that is a bit shorter. If the original and LCI extractors are identical as they appear to be, the spring tension on the LCI will be less than the non LCI.
I wonder what would happen if we replaced the new loaded bearing with the old.
Has anybody tried it?

schapman43
12-03-2012, 20:50
I'm confused. Which extractor is MIM ?

rtl
12-19-2012, 18:04
Just bought a g19 over the weekend, and it looks like mine is dipped too. Any more thoughts on this?

Buckshot Barry
12-19-2012, 18:07
Just bought a g19 over the weekend, and it looks like mine is dipped too. Any more thoughts on this?

What's the born on date on the envelope with the spent case?

rtl
12-20-2012, 07:35
The 'collection date' is 8-8-12

TTex
12-20-2012, 07:52
I wonder when the "non-dipped" extractors were produced? I've heard a few people say that Glock knows nothing about an extractor change. It makes me wonder if these are aftermarket parts sold as new? I'm thinking of picking up a couple of the new run for my 26 and the wife's 19, but dont want a Lone Wolf product, I didnt have any luck with the Lone Wolf piece.

I prefer the term concave to "dipped", but as long as everyone is on the same page I dont argue symantics.

Glock23/17
03-13-2013, 19:09
I have the dipped extractor on my 23 Gen4 but have not fired this one yet to know if there is a problem....Collection date is 1-26-13

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/1249/forumrunner201303132050.jpg

Arc Angel
03-13-2013, 21:16
Just learned that my May 2012 G23 Gen 3, S/N TCX2xx has an extractor with the dip. It was very hard for me to find photos of what I should be looking for. Anyway, here are the photos from m4carbine.net

Replacements are on the way from midwayusa.com

EDIT: I'm not sure Midway has the new non-dipped extractors for .40 Glocks. All the posts I've seen referring to the new non-dipped design have referenced 9mm extractors.

http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1323727&postcount=816

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9924/p1030854m.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3163/p1030855e.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9823/p1030856r.jpg

The photos on the left-hand side are of a, 'dipped' extractor. (Some call this a, 'MIM' extractor.) The photos on the right-hand side are of Glock's new, 'Zero Degree' extractor. (It does not have an, 'LCI' on it.) I just got one from Smyrna and, now, have it installed on my, 'P' series G-19. After the first 100 fired rounds I will say that it's a better extractor than any of the, 'dipped dogs' that I've tried.

The lack of an, 'LCI' extractor doesn't bother me, at all. ('The gun is always loaded;' and I never use it, anyway.) The, 'Zero' designation refers to the lack of an angle on the extractor claw. Without an, 'LCI' an exaggerated claw angle isn't needed. I don't want to, 'burst anyone's bubble'; but, as far as I'm concerned, the open claw on all of these new Glock extractors is still too large to provide those long, flat-out, ejected brass throws all of the old machined extractors provide.

Still, the improvement on these, 'Zero Degree' extractors is noticeable; and something of an improvement over the other three extractors I've, now, tried.

mr00jimbo
03-14-2013, 00:22
I have a hard time believing the extractors are indeed MIM. Maybe a different manufacturing process...

Glock23/17
03-15-2013, 17:11
Dipped on my 23 G4

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/1249/forumrunner201303132050.jpg

AJE
03-15-2013, 22:16
The extractor on my brand new G19 is dipped but I had pretty reliable ejection for the first 60 rounds I tried through it ( a mix of 115gr and 147gr reloads and a few old Gold Dots of unknown bullet weight ). The reloads are a bit on the hot side, though, but I didn't get a single round to my face.

The serial number is USGxxx and it was test fired two weeks ago.

basicblues
03-15-2013, 22:24
Keep hearing but don't know what "MIM" means, other need quick reflexes to avoid head bonks. Anybody know?

Also means "Made In Mexico" in some circles.