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MSims
07-22-2012, 19:50
Well someone wants to trade me my G30SF for there G29SF... I do CCW my G30sf and would end up carrying the G29sf but I have never shot a 10mm... Would you do the trade? Pros n cons... And i love shooting the 45 but how does the 10mm compare in recoil and if there is any noticeable difference...

mj9mm
07-22-2012, 20:04
personally? no, i wouldn't. 45acp is just fine, and unless you reload, easier to get:wavey:

et45
07-22-2012, 20:08
sounds like dude wants a gun that is easier to find ammo for,no way

avenues165
07-22-2012, 20:09
Very curious about the answers you might receive from this question.

Rev.357
07-22-2012, 20:14
If cost is no prob go with the 10mm it stomps but some places the 10mm ammo is hard to get. I now like the .45acp after having one & you can some good .45 ammo at most places.

How bad do you want a 10mm?

LASTRESORT20
07-22-2012, 20:15
G29SF to sweet to trade.....*depending on how loaded...Re-coil is just sexy!:supergrin:

PrecisionRifleman
07-22-2012, 20:19
I love the 10mm (my favorite pistol caliber), but I prefer it in a full size platform for the woods. IMO the 45 Auto is a better self defense caliber for the urban area because it's not going to punch right through a person and keep on going like it never hit anything. I shot a doe broad side @ 50 yards with my 10mm using a 180XTP and I hit a rib and the bullet made a complete pass through. Unless you live in a rural area stick with your G30.

Bello
07-22-2012, 21:19
Even when you find 10 milli ammo it's cheap and underpowered and overpriced! I load my own so I wouldn't have a problem but IMHO a G29 is a stupid gun

bac1023
07-22-2012, 21:35
I wouldn't.

ctious
07-22-2012, 21:38
I would. In a sec. More power Is always better. And underwood ammo is hit and about the same price as 45.

AKRover
07-22-2012, 21:47
As much as I love the 10mm I wouldn't trade a 45 for a 10mm. 45 is a lot easier to find and a lot cheaper.


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Teecher45
07-22-2012, 21:50
Nope, I like the .40 or .45 for SD, and .357 or .44 for the woods.
IF I was going with 10mm I would want a 20 to get as much velocity as I could.

DMAR
07-22-2012, 22:26
Absolutely would make the trade, the G29/10mm kicks some serious ass! And this comes from a .45ACP fan. To me, the recoil is not bad at all, I don't see much difference from .45 ACP.

As for ammo availability, come on guys we are posting this feedback via a computer. There is a ton of 10mm ammo available via the computer right now, and probably cheaper than your LGS. :wavey: Like any caliber, reloading gives you more options and makes it more affordable, but it is not necessary to own a 10mm gun.

So, unless you just don't want another caliber (awesome, kick ass caliber...) I'd go for it. It would make life more interesting, and you would have no doubt regarding it's performance potential. Put your big boy pants on and get that 10mm.:cool: YMMV

jr240sx
07-22-2012, 23:13
I have both guns and use the 29sf as my ccw, don't have any sd ammo for the 30sf or i would trade on/off, i do shoot the 30sf better and the 29sf does have more recoil (kindof snappy). if you like your 30sf don't trade...

sig357fan
07-23-2012, 00:13
The only advantage I see to either is if you want more power with the G30SF, you can go 45 Super or get a 10mm barrel.

With the G29SF you can get a 40 S&W barrel for cheaper practice ammo and carry as a 10mm.

Either way, the right load will get the job done when push comes to shove.

sig357fan

CDW4ME
07-23-2012, 07:06
Recoil is ammo dependent.
Chrono average for 5 shots using factory ammo:
G29 Hornady 155 gr. XTP @ 1,278 fps / 562# KE / PF 198
G30 Winchester 230 gr. Ranger T @ 874 fps / 390# KE / PF 201
Power Factor (PF) is a calculation that may be used to compare recoil out of similiar pistols.
The Hornady 155 a fairly light kicking full power 10mm, the Ranger T 230 is fairly stiff.
G30 Hornady 185 gr. XTP handload @ 970 fps / 387# KE / PF 179

Beanie-Bean
07-23-2012, 07:13
I'd tell the guy NO. Keep what you've got..it's an excellent pistol, and if you're not reloading, ammo is fairly easy to pickup anywhere. 10mm...not so much. I load my own ammo, but use factory for break-in testing, SD/HD, and if it's on sale and I need brass to reload.

10mm vs. .45ACP? I shoot both from the full size frame Glocks (usually on the same range trip) and they both get the job done. If you want to get into 10mm, I would recommend going with the G20 platform first.

alwaysshootin
07-23-2012, 07:49
I see no problem in keeping the 30, it is a fine carry choice. With that said, I would like to add, that, I would trade the G30, for a G29, for the simple reason, that,the 10MM outshines the 45ACP. Put it simply. Anything a 45ACP can do, ballistic wise, the 10MM, can replicate with ease. On the other hand, the 45ACP cannot replicate the 10MM.

As has been mentioned, thanks to unerwoodammo.com, those that don't reload, now have a good selection of reasonable price ammo available in 10MM ammo.

Recoil? Yes the 10 is a little quicker, and, snappier. I will say this though, when shooting, top of the line defensive ammo, the margin of difference is minimal. I've never thought, when going from shooting 10MM to 45ACP, hey, this 45 is a cream puff compared to shooting the 10!

I do reload, and because of that, this next statement, I feel needs to made. I don't have, all, the pistol calibers, available, but, I do have more than a handful. When I go to the range for enjoyment, and practice, many of the other calibers don't make the trip. That's probably because the 10 is what I use for carry, home defense, and hunting. For those chores, IMHO, no other caliber fits the task better then the 10MM.

dkf
07-23-2012, 08:48
I would keep the G30. You know your current G30 works.

Nothing against the 10mm but it just does not get love by the big ammo companies thus not bullets designed for the extra velocity it can provide. Thus the few loadings from the major manufacturer are usually watered down to .40 velocities. The .45acp is used bylaw enforcement on a large scale thus the the large ammo companies still design bullets specifically for it. Plus there is a lot of testing info on those .45acp rounds.

If you are interested in the G29, I would save up the money and buy one and keep your G30. You just may regret it if you part with your G30.

PattonT
07-23-2012, 09:11
Well there are 10mm fans and 45acp fans, which are you? I'll throw something else out there, with as much body armor wearing turds nowadays 45acp is a poor performer for armor. If you think shooting through armor is a possibility carry the most velocity and not the largest caliber.

Glock23Man
07-23-2012, 14:57
I tell you what, you put on some body armor and then have someone shoot you in the chest with good, SD 45ACP. Then, after you recover, tell us again what you think about the 45ACPs performance. No, it might not penetrate the Kevlar, but you'll know you took a shot.

My choice for body armor might be .357SIG in +P. Or the 500 magnum... :cool:


Well there are 10mm fans and 45acp fans, which are you? I'll throw something else out there, with as much body armor wearing turds nowadays 45acp is a poor performer for armor. If you think shooting through armor is a possibility carry the most velocity and not the largest caliber.

PattonT
07-23-2012, 16:24
I tell you what, you put on some body armor and then have someone shoot you in the chest with good, SD 45ACP. Then, after you recover, tell us again what you think about the 45ACPs performance. No, it might not penetrate the Kevlar, but you'll know you took a shot.

My choice for body armor might be .357SIG in +P. Or the 500 magnum... :cool:

http://www.odmp.org/officer/20800-sergeant-james-timothy-tim-chapin
I don't have a problem with 45's but after April 2nd 2011 I have started thinking a little different. I was told the 5 hits to the assailants from the 45 230gr HST's didn't even leave a mark on his out dated level II body armor. Would 357sig or 10mm made a difference? It probably wouldn't have been any worse. The guys that were there there said the 5.56 to his grown is what really saved them from him firing more.

Angry Fist
07-23-2012, 16:28
You know all about the .45, so expand your horizons some! :whistling:

The G30 was the first Glock I shot, and it is sweet. Never shot the 29.

mad.gunsmith
07-23-2012, 20:34
i love the 29 the 10mm is an awesome round
i prefer it to the 45

JTSmith
07-23-2012, 20:52
Even when you find 10 milli ammo it's cheap and underpowered and overpriced! I load my own so I wouldn't have a problem but IMHO a G29 is a stupid gun

IMHO, your opinion is stupid.

glock2740
07-23-2012, 21:09
I own both the G29 and the G30. The G30, is the better way to go if you're gonna only own the one. The ammo is cheaper and easier to find. The recoil of the G29 is more harsh than the G30, but not enough to scare you away. Personally, I;m a HUGE fan of the 10mm, but if it's you're only/main CCW, then I'd have to recommend the G30. It's pretty soft shooting and plenty accurate for SD. I carry 200+P Gold Dots in mine. When I do carry my G29, it's usually with 175gr Silver Tips or 155gr Double Tap Gold Dots. Both are controllable and will do it to it. :cool:

Gokyo
07-23-2012, 21:21
G29 is really a sweet shooting pistol.

10mm is a really cool load.

attrapereves
07-23-2012, 22:02
Keep the 30, buy a 10mm conversion barrel and some 10mm mags. Problem solved.

That being said, I love my 29 and if I had neither I'd pick the 10mm easily.

faawrenchbndr
07-23-2012, 22:18
Well someone wants to trade me my G30SF for there G29SF... I do CCW my G30sf and would end up carrying the G29sf but I have never shot a 10mm... Would you do the trade? Pros n cons... And i love shooting the 45 but how does the 10mm compare in recoil and if there is any noticeable difference...

Nope,.......not a chance!

RottnJP
07-23-2012, 22:33
I agree w/ getting a conversion barrel and some mags to try out. You really don't want to trade away a very capable SD/CCW pistol in the G30SF into an unknown quantity for you. That just doesn't make sense.

My personal gripe with the G29SF is the grip is a bit too small for my hand. Even with the pinky grip extender I have to curl my pinky under, like a g26/27, and it has enough recoil that my shot recovery time suffers a little relative to my G23.

The G29's recoil is comparable IMO to a heavier .357 magnum snub, like a model 19 short barrel, or SP101 3". Nowhere near what you get from a little J-frame .357. So, if the grip fit my hand, I'd carry it for CCW, and I do carry my G20SF sometimes. In the full size frame 10mm is very manageable, and actually pretty fun- much like a full size .357 revolver.

The day Glock comes out with an extended +2 magazine for the G29 like the G30's +1 extended mag, the G29SF will get a shiny new night sight and start seeing some serious carry time. Until then, it's one of my "home security" pieces tucked safely away.

ETA: Pro's & Cons:
People fight tooth n' nail over "superiority" of the 10mm relative to the .45... I really like the full size 10mm for it's versatility, but I have to say history and penetration data say the .45 is a very capable choice for a handgun round for self defense, and the 10mm really isn't much "better." They both penetrate and expand.

Where 10mm is clearly *better* is as a hunting round, where you can take advantage of it's higher sectional density with a heavy bullet to maximize penetration... But in a SD scenario, that isn't a good choice since over-penetration is wasted energy and can hurt a bystander.

If I had my imaginary +2 magazine for a G29, it would have a capacity advantage over the G30, but as it stands now, it doesn't. So, that's a wash.

Where .45 ACP wins, OTOH: It can be found in capable loads in every walmart in the country. There are plenty of bullets designed for the .45's velocity envelope, many perform well, and they'll be less expensive. In fact, even .45 ball ammo performs o.k. for self defense, and has done so for a lot of years, so it's hard to go wrong with a .45.