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DOC44
07-23-2012, 20:53
Marines Pick Colt for New Pistol

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/files/2012/07/073012mc_Colt_pistol_800.jpg


:supergrin:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/07/20/marines-pick-colt-for-new-pistol.html?col=7000023435630&comp=7000023435630&rank=1

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aircarver
07-23-2012, 21:05
Also :supergrin:

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countrygun
07-23-2012, 22:06
But, but, Everybody knows the 1911 is an outdated design:supergrin:

Gunnut 45/454
07-23-2012, 23:52
Also went against the 9 Minimeter for the proven 45 ACP! Love it !:supergrin:

Flintlocker
07-24-2012, 00:12
XSE... good choice.

beforeobamabans
07-24-2012, 02:00
$22,500,000/12,000=$1875

Are they actually going to be manufactured in the U.S.?

My nephew's commemorative PO was $900.

The Machinist
07-24-2012, 05:22
Sounds like a good reason for an already overpriced gun to become even more expensive.

Naelbis
07-24-2012, 05:50
What a waste of money....

JFrame
07-24-2012, 08:52
Not to start a caliber war -- really!!! -- but as long as the military is restricted from using hollow point expanding ammo, I guess this kind'a makes sense.

Let me also state for the record that I would not want to be shot with a .22 short, let alone a 9mm ball or .45 ball.


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Batesmotel
07-24-2012, 09:24
$22,500,000/12,000=$1875

I think the contract will also include parts, repair, rebuilds and other support for a pre set number of years. Not just a one time shipment of guns.

countrygun
07-24-2012, 10:26
Just like "Ma-Duece" some of JMBs designs are too good to fade away

JBnTX
07-24-2012, 10:35
The HK45 would have been a far better choice.

The HK45 has a standard 10 round magazine and will last for upwards of 50,000 rounds without parts breakage or replacement.

I just hope the Marines new pistol is better built than the currently manufactured civilian 1911 garbage that Colt is putting out right now.

I love the 1911, but it's time to let it go.

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automatic slim
07-24-2012, 12:53
The HK45 would have been a far better choice.

The HK45 has a standard 10 round magazine and will last for upwards of 50,000 rounds without parts breakage or replacement.

I just hope the Marines new pistol is better built than the currently manufactured civilian 1911 garbage that Colt is putting out right now.

I love the 1911, but it's time to let it go.

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Communism!^^^^

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John Rambo
07-24-2012, 13:09
The HK45 would have been a far better choice.

The HK45 has a standard 10 round magazine and will last for upwards of 50,000 rounds without parts breakage or replacement.

I just hope the Marines new pistol is better built than the currently manufactured civilian 1911 garbage that Colt is putting out right now.

I love the 1911, but it's time to let it go.

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Hey, it only took you 8,000 posts to get something right! :rofl:


Theres better pistols for combat out than some rebadged 1911.

JBnTX
07-24-2012, 13:22
Hey, it only took you 8,000 posts to get something right! :rofl:


Theres better pistols for combat out than some rebadged 1911.


I seem to do better with guns than I do with politics and religion.

An HK45 or even a Glock 21 would be a far better choice than a 1911, especially a Colt 1911.

I've never bought a Colt 1911 that didn't need something done to it to ensure it's reliability. Usually an extractor adjustment.

countrygun
07-24-2012, 13:29
I seem to do better with guns than I do with politics and religion.

An HK45 or even a Glock 21 would be a far better choice than a 1911, especially a Colt 1911.

I've never bought a Colt 1911 that didn't need something done to it to ensure it's reliability. Usually an extractor adjustment.

Then why did you keep buying them?

humanguerrilla
07-24-2012, 13:39
Still adopted after fail? Sure it's for Marines but...

12,000 rounds into the Phase II testing and four of the test guns were deadlined due to safety-critical cracks and issues.
http://soldiersystems.net/2012/07/20/marsoc-winning-colt-guns/

JBnTX
07-24-2012, 14:00
Then why did you keep buying them?

Because once you adjust the extractor and get them running right, they're the best thing going.

An HK45 or a Glock 21 comes ready to go straight from the box.
No adjustment needed.

JBnTX
07-24-2012, 14:02
12,000 rounds into the Phase II testing and four of the test guns were deadlined due to safety-critical cracks and issues....


I rest my case!

Buying Colt 1911's is a complete waste of money.
My taxpayer money.

It would be more effective to just give each Marine a stick with a nail in the end of it, than to buy a 1911 from Colt.
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countrygun
07-24-2012, 14:05
Because once you adjust the extractor and get them running right, they're the best thing going.

An HK45 or a Glock 21 comes ready to go straight from the box.
No adjustment needed.


I ran the snot out of a series 70 and had no problems. Managed to get far more in trade than I paid for it.

JFrame
07-24-2012, 14:27
I ran the snot out of a series 70 and had no problems. Managed to get far more in trade than I paid for it.


You're smart -- I let my Series 70 go for a song when I was younger, foolisher, and trying to make ends meet... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_standart/cray.gif


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countrygun
07-24-2012, 14:30
You're smart -- I let my Series 70 go for a song when I was younger, foolisher, and trying to make ends meet... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_standart/cray.gif


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My trade netted a NM'ed M-1 Garand, back in the days when there was an M-1 drought.

JFrame
07-24-2012, 14:32
My trade netted a NM'ed M-1 Garand, back in the days when there was an M-1 drought.

Okay -- stop it...You are literally kickin' a man when he's down at this point! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_standart/stop.gif

But kudos on a nice trade! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_standart/ok.gif


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countrygun
07-24-2012, 14:53
It was one of the ONLY "good" trades I made in college

JFrame
07-24-2012, 15:24
It was one of the ONLY "good" trades I made in college


Heh -- I stopped swapping and selling when all of the outcomes kept turning out bone-headed for me... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif


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Walt_NC
07-24-2012, 15:27
Cool gun but a dumb choice for an issue side arm. Still, it cant be any worse than the 92F.

JBnTX
07-24-2012, 17:06
"There were three candidates that made the final round of consideration," but Clark would not discuss the competitors.


Anybody know who the other three candidates were?

Walt_NC
07-24-2012, 17:11
"There were three candidates that made the final round of consideration," but Clark would not discuss the competitors.


Anybody know who the other three candidates were?

Looks like one was the Springfield Operator. Smith and Wesson and Kimber may have also been candidate(s) at one point.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/

Kablam
07-24-2012, 17:15
I wonder what the Marines that are going to carry them think.

HarlDane
07-24-2012, 17:40
Looks like one was the Springfield Operator. Smith and Wesson and Kimber may have also been candidate(s) at one point.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/That sounds right. I can't find it now, but I read somewhere that it was down to the Colt, a Springfield Operator and one of the S&W 1911's.

PhotoFeller
07-24-2012, 17:59
The Marines know more about combat than all of us armchair commanders put together. I defer to their expertise based on nose-to-nose, kill-or-be-killed, real life experience over decades of fighting. These .45s are not retail, high-production assembly line, three test round QC inspection pistols like we buy at our LGS. If nothing else, the 1911 makes a dandy club when the bullets run out!

gwalchmai
07-24-2012, 19:45
I like 1911s. I'm in the market for a new one, in fact. That said I think a G21 would make more sense as a .45 duty pistol. They're pretty hard to break.

Kozel
07-24-2012, 19:57
US military is in love with antiques lately. Flying in antique airplanes and helicopters, using obsolete rifle and now remake of an antique handgun.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/aging-array-of-american-aircraft-attracting-attention-0901/

http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubFulltext/RTO/EN/RTO-EN-014///EN-014-05.pdf

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/

USMCgs3
07-24-2012, 20:04
Problems after 12k rounds... That would take a while on the Marines operating budget. It's not like the m2 where we can go to the range and blow through 1k rounds in a few hours. And not all Marines carry a pistol anyway, when I was in you had to be a nco or co.


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JBnTX
07-24-2012, 20:54
These .45s are not retail, high-production assembly line, three test round QC inspection pistols like we buy at our LGS.


Don't bet on it!

Colt's probably already scrounging up all the previously rejected parts so they can refinish them and start building the Marines their new pistol.

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c01
07-24-2012, 21:02
I don't care what we pay for them or what they use as long as the Marines using them hit what the aim at and come home alive. If they want the 1911 so be it.

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Happy Hunting
07-24-2012, 21:14
Why is this in Political Issues?

Only one allegation of someone being a Communist has been thrown out. I won't stand for it!

I love my XSE. Hopefully they won't be using Colt magazines.