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country85
07-24-2012, 18:17
I'm looking to get a mold for my 44 mag handi rifle(I cast all the time but just not for 44 yet) It has the 1 in 38'' twist barrel. I've shot 245 grain cast bullets out of it and it seems to do pretty good. But I love heavy lead and was wondering if a 310 grain bullet would be too heavy to stabilize out of such a slow twist rate barrel. I shoot the 245 SWC's with 8.2 grains of unique, no clue on the velocity, but according to lymans 46th it should be around 900 fps. I'd like to keep the 310's around the same, maybe see if i can get to 1000 fps with out having to buy all the stuff to install gas checks(I don't size my lead, and my 44 plugs at about .435 any way) Any advice would be great, Hope I posted in the right section mods feel free to move if needed here is the mold I was looking at getting : http://www.midwayusa.com/product/511417/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-c430-310-rf-44-special-44-remington-magnum-44-40-wcf-430-diameter-310-grain-flat-nose-gas-check

Zombie Steve
07-24-2012, 22:50
1:38 is going to be iffy.

On the one hand:

http://www.castpics.net/subsite2/ByCaliber/Cast%20in%20the%20.44%20Magnum%20Rifle.pdf

On the other hand:

44 Magnum Levergun (The Rundown) - YouTube

The Marlin 1894 is a 1:38 twist.

Good news is the lee molds are pretty cheap.

norton
07-25-2012, 04:47
I cast this bullet from a Lee mold.
It works fine for my S/w 629. Plinking round. Haven't really checked it for accuracy. Like Zombie Steve said, you arent out much $ with the Lee mold, even if you end up not liking the slug.

country85
07-25-2012, 05:00
1:38 is going to be iffy.

On the one hand:

http://www.castpics.net/subsite2/ByCaliber/Cast%20in%20the%20.44%20Magnum%20Rifle.pdf

On the other hand:

44 Magnum Levergun (The Rundown) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhjoQVbiRs)

The Marlin 1894 is a 1:38 twist.

Good news is the lee molds are pretty cheap.

Thanks for the article steve, it was very interesting. And I had watched that Hickok video at least ten times and never realized he was shooting 300 grainers lol. I may just buy a box of 50 of the Oregon trail 310 grainers and try them, I'm only going to be shooting out to 50 yards most of the time anyway so they may very well by stable out to that distance

country85
07-25-2012, 05:02
I cast this bullet from a Lee mold.
It works fine for my S/w 629. Plinking round. Haven't really checked it for accuracy. Like Zombie Steve said, you arent out much $ with the Lee mold, even if you end up not liking the slug.

Very true norton, do you install gas checks or just shoot them plain base?

Zombie Steve
07-25-2012, 08:08
Thanks for the article steve, it was very interesting. And I had watched that Hickok video at least ten times and never realized he was shooting 300 grainers lol. I may just buy a box of 50 of the Oregon trail 310 grainers and try them, I'm only going to be shooting out to 50 yards most of the time anyway so they may very well by stable out to that distance

Probably the best idea yet. They make some nice boolits. If they don't work, you can always melt them down.

:supergrin:

sig357fan
07-25-2012, 13:26
I cast and gas check the Lee 310 gr. LFP with a stout charge of 2400 for use in a TC Contender.

1250 fps and 1" groups at 50 yards off the bench from a scoped super 14 barrel.

YMMV

sig357fan

country85
07-25-2012, 13:55
I cast and gas check the Lee 310 gr. LFP with a stout charge of 2400 for use in a TC Contender.

1250 fps and 1" groups at 50 yards off the bench from a scoped super 14 barrel.

YMMV

sig357fan

Nice! but I think the TC barrels have a 1 in 20 twist don't they? I've never used 2400 before, how does it compare to H110? My hunting load is 23 grains of h110 and a 240 grain xtp, lyman list 24 grains max but i tell ya 23 is as stout as I wanna go, it's zipping at around 1900 to 2000 fps out of my 22 in barrel lol

Zombie Steve
07-25-2012, 15:16
Nice! but I think the TC barrels have a 1 in 20 twist don't they? I've never used 2400 before, how does it compare to H110? My hunting load is 23 grains of h110 and a 240 grain xtp, lyman list 24 grains max but i tell ya 23 is as stout as I wanna go, it's zipping at around 1900 to 2000 fps out of my 22 in barrel lol

I can comment on H110 vs. 2400. H110 is going to get you max speeds, but the throttle is open or closed. Nothing in between. You might lose 50 fps or so by using 2400, but it's much more flexible / larger load range. I use 2400 exclusively these days for magnum cartridges.

country85
07-25-2012, 17:46
Thanks steve, I have been using unique for my lighter loads, and love the way it shoots but hate using it because it doesn't meter worth.... well it just doesn't meter accurately what so ever for me. A good friend of mine and long time reloader told me to try bull's eye, he said at 6 grains it's one of the hottest 44 loads he's ever shot, any one have any experience with it? wow I just hijacked my own thread... is that possible??? lol :supergrin:

norton
07-25-2012, 18:21
Very true norton, do you install gas checks or just shoot them plain base?

Plain base, on the advice of Jack. Work great.

country85
07-25-2012, 18:37
Jack's advice is the best advice!!! lol I think that's the mold I"m going to go with, Now I just have to get all my almost pure lead out of my pot to make way for my wheel weights lol

Zombie Steve
07-26-2012, 00:49
Thanks steve, I have been using unique for my lighter loads, and love the way it shoots but hate using it because it doesn't meter worth.... well it just doesn't meter accurately what so ever for me. A good friend of mine and long time reloader told me to try bull's eye, he said at 6 grains it's one of the hottest 44 loads he's ever shot, any one have any experience with it? wow I just hijacked my own thread... is that possible??? lol :supergrin:

Bullseye is one of the fastest burning powders on the planet. Totally unsuitable for magnums, IMHO. Unique is about as fast burning as I'll go, and I'm barely going .45 +P speeds with it in .44 mag.... punctured primers and ruined a firing pin taking that one hotter (all within published data). Slower burning powders will get you faster projectiles, period. Much safer, better performance.

That said, my Unique .44 mag load is really damned akrit. :supergrin: :cowboy:

norton
07-26-2012, 04:36
I use 2400 with this load. Lymans cast bullet manual lists it as the most accurate

sig357fan
07-26-2012, 04:44
.... I've never used 2400 before, how does it compare to H110? ....

never used H110/Win296, when I started reloading, if you shot cast bullets out of a revolver you had Hercules Unique on hand, if you wanted more power, you stepped up to Blue Dot, if you wanted magnum power, you went with 2400.

years ago, I started using 2400 in 44 Mag loads and it did everything I wanted, magnum punch and excellent accuracy, I've never had a magnum handgun that I couldn't find an accurate magnum load for using 2400.

I also use 2400 for cast bullet loads in my milsurp rifles, easy shooting and accurate makes for fun shooting of the "Old War Horse"

sig357fan

Highspeedlane
07-26-2012, 04:49
Bullseye is one of the fastest burning powders on the planet. Totally unsuitable for magnums, IMHO. Unique is about as fast burning as I'll go

+1

When loading large capacity revolver cases, get that Bullseye as far away from the loading bench as possible.

country85
07-26-2012, 05:38
Thanks ya'll! I knew when he said 6 grains was a heavy magnum load this must be some fast burning stuff. I"m not one for change anyway and unique is my favorite powder of all time. I just like the fact that I can use it for any thing from making my super low velocity paper punchers in 38, to a mild 357 load, and then I can turn around and throw 10 grains in a 223 case and make my subsonic loads. Steve are you using a rifle or a pistol? 8.2 grains gets me around 900 out of my rifle (according to lyman 46th) I think there closer to 950 to 1000 fps since I've got a little longer barrel than what they tested with, but I could be wrong lol

Zombie Steve
07-26-2012, 08:21
My Unique load is a 240 grain lswc that actually weighs 244 grains. 7.8 grains of Unique. 930 fps from my 4" barrel 629. Haven't clocked it from the super blackhawk, and never shot it in the Marlin for some reason. I have the full power loads for the rifle.

country85
07-26-2012, 08:38
My Unique load is a 240 grain lswc that actually weighs 244 grains. 7.8 grains of Unique. 930 fps from my 4" barrel 629. Haven't clocked it from the super blackhawk, and never shot it in the Marlin for some reason. I have the full power loads for the rifle.

hmmm I may be getting a little higher velocity out of my rifle than I thought, I'll have to look at my book again and see what the 8.2 tested again.

Zombie Steve
07-26-2012, 08:42
There are several sources of data that show the same 240 lswc up to 11 grains of Unique, but I ran into overpressure problems / pierced primers I mentioned before.

country85
07-26-2012, 11:52
With 11 grains I bet so lol, I go to 9.5 in my rifle but get horrible leading, I could probably go 10 but there would be no real difference. I need to switch to CCI primers, as federal and winchester's are too soft and pancake on me

noway
07-29-2012, 08:28
I use lil'gun in all of my magnum loads caliber ( 44,357mag and 45clt ) , cheaper than h110 or 2400, use about the same or less charge weight to achieve the same performance.

Also noise and recoil seems to be lesser in lil'gun than h110. And lastly, the lil'gun is consistent or more consistent in my load. I get about the same velocity over my chronograph and with less deviation hot or cooler.