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Tilley
07-25-2012, 02:24
I need everyone's help and imput on making one decision to change my life in the most positive way.



1). Quit drinking Diet Pepsi for good.

2). Quit worrying about things I can't change.

3). Quit reading and posting on GT's Religious Issues.

G26S239
07-25-2012, 03:05
I think you should go with number 1 and quit drinking Diet Pepsi Tilley.

Lone Wolf8634
07-25-2012, 07:01
I need everyone's help and imput on making one decision to change my life in the most positive way.



1). Quit drinking Diet Pepsi for good.

2). Quit worrying about things I can't change.

3). Quit reading and posting on GT's Religious Issues.

1). Couldn't hurt, even diet soda is crap.

2). Another good idea, stress sucks the life out of you/personal experience/.

3). Thats up to you to decide, no ones opinion here should matter in the least.

Altaris
07-25-2012, 07:10
I need everyone's help and imput on making one decision to change my life in the most positive way.



1). Quit drinking Diet Pepsi for good.

2). Quit worrying about things I can't change.

3). Quit reading and posting on GT's Religious Issues.


1) Soft drinks are not good for you. It can never hurt by giving them up. I haven't had one since my Freshman year in college('96), and I don't miss them one bit.

2) My boss always says, worry about what you can control, and don't stress out about the rest.

3) Now why would you go and do something crazy like that?

Woofie
07-25-2012, 07:14
I'd go with number two. But most things in life take a back seat to a nice number two.

AlexHassin
07-25-2012, 07:39
i whould say 2.
but 1 is a good one too

cowboywannabe
07-25-2012, 07:42
God has already decided your future. nothing you can do will change that, and if you did, God knew that before hand too.

just live your life as a good person.

snowbird
07-25-2012, 08:10
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things that I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference."

-the serenity prayer

JBnTX
07-25-2012, 08:11
I need everyone's help and imput on making one decision to change my life in the most positive way.



1). Quit drinking Diet Pepsi for good.

2). Quit worrying about things I can't change.

3). Quit reading and posting on GT's Religious Issues.

If you have to pick only one, then make it to quit the Diet Pepsi.

1). A doctor told me that drinking diet soda of any kind is the same as drinking diluted rat poison. It's known to contribute to irregular heartbeat, erosion of tooth enamel, kidney and bladder problems and even some forms of cancer.

2). A little worry is a sign of an engaged mind. Only idiots go through life without a care in the world.

3). Jerking the chains of the so-called atheists on this forum is one of life's little pleasures.

..

Tilley
08-07-2012, 15:50
I stole this from another thread because it took the words right out of my mouth:

As I have written several times, I have nothing against atheists or scoffers. My problem is with anti-Christians. Not all atheists are anti-Christian.


I have gone almost a week without caffeine and it has been a long week.

I still worry about things I can't change.

I guess I get frustrated with how I see the world now, and when I look at this forum, I see the same nonsense here.

I see a leader who had no qualifications lead this country to the brink of all-out socialism.

I see a group of people demand acceptance, and if you don't accept them then you are a bigoted hateful person.

I see a lack of respect for human life. The murder of an unborn child is never ever acceptable or justified.

I see genocide happening everyday, and we do nothing to stop it.

Children dying of hunger and disease by the thousands everyday, yet Joel Olsteen paid over 100 million dollars for a stadium so people can come and see him and hear his opinions about life and God, and how we should help him pay for his 100 million dollar stadium instead of sending money to help the thousands of children dying of hunger and disease.

A dip**** with orange hair goes into a show and kills and injures many at the new Batman movie.

I am tired of the pseudo-intellectuals, gay is the new racers, anti-christians, "pay for my condoms" or "pay for my abortion" Georgetown coeds, picket Chick-o-Fil idiots!

Enough people. Grow the hell up and be responsible for yourselves and your kids. Take an interest in others (besides yourself). Keep your sexuality private. If you don't believe in God, then go off and live your life as you will and don't berate someone who does.

Stand up for those who can't. Respect authority. We as a people wrote societal rules and laws. If you don't like it, then start a campaign to change them. If you find out only a few agree with you, deal with it...or move to France.

When Andy Griffith died, did Mayberry die as well?








anyone got a diet pepsi they can spare?

Ramjet38
08-07-2012, 17:40
Well said Tilley. It's hard to keep on keepin' on. What a fiasco our Nation has become.

Geko45
08-07-2012, 17:57
I see a group of people demand acceptance, and if you don't accept them then you are a bigoted hateful person.

Then just leave them alone to marry as they please and I'm sure they will leave you alone as well.

I see a lack of respect for human life. The murder of an unborn child is never ever acceptable or justified.

Use a definition for life that does not depend on your religion and I will agree with you whole heartedly.

I see genocide happening everyday, and we do nothing to stop it.

I do agree with this. I feel we have a duty to intervene on behalf of those that can not defend themselves. So, you are in favor of intervening in Syria, correct?

Children dying of hunger and disease by the thousands everyday, yet Joel Olsteen paid over 100 million dollars for a stadium so people can come and see him and hear his opinions about life and God, and how we should help him pay for his 100 million dollar stadium instead of sending money to help the thousands of children dying of hunger and disease.

Very much agreed, I can't stand that SOB.

A dip**** with orange hair goes into a show and kills and injures many at the new Batman movie.

Crazies aren't new, what's new is crazies getting national headlines.

I am tired of the pseudo-intellectuals, gay is the new racers, anti-christians, "pay for my condoms" or "pay for my abortion" Georgetown coeds, picket Chick-o-Fil idiots!

Ok, you're losing me here... :dunno:

If you don't believe in God, then go off and live your life as you will and don't berate someone who does.

Or... If you believe in god then go off and live your life as you think he wants you too and and stop berating others that don't.

Stand up for those who can't.

Yes.

Respect authority.

Only if it is worthy of respect.

We as a people wrote societal rules and laws. If you don't like it, then start a campaign to change them.

Make up your mind, is it ok for gays to campaign to change the marriage laws or not?

When Andy Griffith died, did Mayberry die as well?

Mayberry is (and always was) an illusion. It never existed.

anyone got a diet pepsi they can spare?

You should definitely go with #2. Enjoy your Pepsi and chill out dude.

Norske
08-07-2012, 18:17
I see a lack of respect for human life. The murder of an unborn child is never ever acceptable or justified.


A woman is having sex.

The sex is not with either you (I assume you are a male) or me.

Is whether or not she is using contraception any business of yours or mine?

If she conceives a child, is it any business of yours or mine?

If she chooses to abort the child, what is your authority to prevent her from doing so?

I only see my being involved if she insists on using my tax dollars for either her contraception or her abortion as the case may be, as I do not want my tax money used for either.

But if she pays for them herself, it is none of my business.

And they are not any of your business either.

You can condemn her choices all you want.

But they remain her choices. :upeyes:

If God wants to punish her for her choices, that is up to God.

But it is not up to me. And it is not up to you either.

Limedust
08-07-2012, 18:22
I stole this from another thread because it took the words right out of my mouth:




I have gone almost a week without caffeine and it has been a long week.

I still worry about things I can't change.

I guess I get frustrated with how I see the world now, and when I look at this forum, I see the same nonsense here.

I see a leader who had no qualifications lead this country to the brink of all-out socialism.

I see a group of people demand acceptance, and if you don't accept them then you are a bigoted hateful person.

I see a lack of respect for human life. The murder of an unborn child is never ever acceptable or justified.

I see genocide happening everyday, and we do nothing to stop it.

Children dying of hunger and disease by the thousands everyday, yet Joel Olsteen paid over 100 million dollars for a stadium so people can come and see him and hear his opinions about life and God, and how we should help him pay for his 100 million dollar stadium instead of sending money to help the thousands of children dying of hunger and disease.

A dip**** with orange hair goes into a show and kills and injures many at the new Batman movie.

I am tired of the pseudo-intellectuals, gay is the new racers, anti-christians, "pay for my condoms" or "pay for my abortion" Georgetown coeds, picket Chick-o-Fil idiots!

Enough people. Grow the hell up and be responsible for yourselves and your kids. Take an interest in others (besides yourself). Keep your sexuality private. If you don't believe in God, then go off and live your life as you will and don't berate someone who does.

Stand up for those who can't. Respect authority. We as a people wrote societal rules and laws. If you don't like it, then start a campaign to change them. If you find out only a few agree with you, deal with it...or move to France.

When Andy Griffith died, did Mayberry die as well?








anyone got a diet pepsi they can spare?


Mayberry never existed, neighbor. Anyhow, sounds like you should go with 2 . . . you can't control any of those things worrying you. Things change, not always for the better, but not always for the worse either.

Maybe you should have added 4: Stop watching/reading the news.

PettyOfficer
08-07-2012, 18:35
I see a group of people demand acceptance, and if you don't accept them then you are a bigoted hateful person.
...
I see a lack of respect for human life.


Oh the sweet, sweet "pseudo-intellectual" irony.


Keep your sexuality private.
...
Stand up for those who can't. We as a people wrote societal rules and laws. If you don't like it, then start a campaign to change them.
...
Enough people. Grow the hell up and be responsible for yourselves ... Take an interest in others (besides yourself).


I'm doing all three above: you don't know my sexuality, since most gays wouldn't come near a place like this I'm standing up for them and I'm taking an interest in others, in response to this comment, I'm taking an interest in gay rights.

It's obvious you are straight: have you ever walked with your significant other hand-in-hand in public and had foul things said to you from complete strangers? I doubt it.

Have you ever kissed your significant other in public? I bet you have.

If you're married to somebody you love with all your heart, will they get your benefits if you die? I bet they will.

Why are you so offended that gays want equal rights? They are doing what you said... Starting a campaign.

All I have to say to you is Waaah, Waaaah, Waaah... If you can't handle life, and it's just too tough for you, I assume you have options to make it all go away and save us your whining, this is a gun forum after all.

Take your own medicine already, and "Grow the hell up" and "take an interest in others (besides yourself)".

muscogee
08-07-2012, 19:19
I stole this from another thread because it took the words right out of my mouth:

I have gone almost a week without caffeine and it has been a long week.

I still worry about things I can't change.

I guess I get frustrated with how I see the world now, and when I look at this forum, I see the same nonsense here.

I see a leader who had no qualifications lead this country to the brink of all-out socialism.

I see a group of people demand acceptance, and if you don't accept them then you are a bigoted hateful person.

I see a lack of respect for human life. The murder of an unborn child is never ever acceptable or justified.

I see genocide happening everyday, and we do nothing to stop it.

Children dying of hunger and disease by the thousands everyday, yet Joel Olsteen paid over 100 million dollars for a stadium so people can come and see him and hear his opinions about life and God, and how we should help him pay for his 100 million dollar stadium instead of sending money to help the thousands of children dying of hunger and disease.

A dip**** with orange hair goes into a show and kills and injures many at the new Batman movie.

I am tired of the pseudo-intellectuals, gay is the new racers, anti-christians, "pay for my condoms" or "pay for my abortion" Georgetown coeds, picket Chick-o-Fil idiots!

Enough people. Grow the hell up and be responsible for yourselves and your kids. Take an interest in others (besides yourself). Keep your sexuality private. If you don't believe in God, then go off and live your life as you will and don't berate someone who does.

Stand up for those who can't. Respect authority. We as a people wrote societal rules and laws. If you don't like it, then start a campaign to change them. If you find out only a few agree with you, deal with it...or move to France.

When Andy Griffith died, did Mayberry die as well?








anyone got a diet pepsi they can spare?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTLWC1unMc

Kingarthurhk
08-07-2012, 19:28
Oh the sweet, sweet "pseudo-intellectual" irony.



I'm doing all three above: you don't know my sexuality, since most gays wouldn't come near a place like this I'm standing up for them and I'm taking an interest in others, in response to this comment, I'm taking an interest in gay rights.

It's obvious you are straight: have you ever walked with your significant other hand-in-hand in public and had foul things said to you from complete strangers? I doubt it.

As a matter of fact I have. And that is while I was a young many with open carry. A couple of guys came along and declared what they would like to do to me and my girlfriend. Stupid people. Not the best thing to do to a guy strapped with a .357 magnum.


Have you ever kissed your significant other in public? I bet you have.

As a matter of fact I have. For some 13 years of marriage now.


If you're married to somebody you love with all your heart, will they get your benefits if you die? I bet they will.

A responsible father wouldn't have it any other way.


Why are you so offended that gays want equal rights? They are doing what you said... Starting a campaign.

All I have to say to you is Waaah, Waaaah, Waaah... If you can't handle life, and it's just too tough for you, I assume you have options to make it all go away and save us your whining, this is a gun forum after all.

You are really putting the "Petty" in Petty Officer with that one.


Take your own medicine already, and "Grow the hell up" and "take an interest in others (besides yourself)".

Really? From a guy that just told another man to commit suicide? What interest are you taking in Tilley on this one? You demand that an small statistically anomally of the population be elevated above everyone else, yet you tell another man to kill himself? I suggest you take a breath and then take your own advice on the issue of tolerance on differences.

I think the majority of the population is tired of being bullied by the vocal miniscule minority that throw glitter bombs and attack business owners for having a different opinion.

If you want to be taken more seriously perhaps you should try a little more Martin Luther King and little less Malcom X?:dunno:

PettyOfficer
08-07-2012, 19:47
demand that an small statistically anomally of the population be elevated above everyone else, yet you tell another man to kill himself? I suggest you take a breath and then take your own advice on the issue of tolerance on differences.

A) I never said they should be above, only to have the exact same rights you and I enjoy.
B) if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen... That post was so full of whining, I did not say they should kill themselves, only that they have the option.


I think the majority of the population is tired of being bullied by the vocal miniscule minority that throw glitter bombs and attack business owners for having a different opinion.

Yeah, the chic fil a thing was annoying, from both sides. However, who's being bullied? Those who are treated as second class citizens and are standing up for their rights (like women during the suffrage movement or blacks during civil rights) or the vocal minority that accosts them and slurs insults and curses and expects them to sit at the back of the bus and shut up (just as they did at women during suffrage and at blacks during civil rights)?


If you want to be taken more seriously perhaps you should try a little more Martin Luther King and little less Malcom X?:dunno:
My head just exploded.. And that's not a compliment regarding the level of intelligence in your retort.

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:11
I'm doing all three above: you don't know my sexuality...
You're a homosexual.

It's obvious you are straight: have you ever walked with your significant other hand-in-hand in public and had foul things said to you from complete strangers? I doubt it.Who a whining little girl now?

Why are you so offended that gays want equal rights? They are doing what you said... Starting a campaign.
Equal to what, heterosexuals? There is nothing normal or natural about homosexuality. And because a practicing gay is sinful, that is why they turn from God. They are in a state of sin as everyone else is, except gays want it to sanctioned the same way sex between a husband and wife is. It's not and it will never be.

All I have to say to you is Waaah, Waaaah, Waaah... If you can't handle life, and it's just too tough for you, I assume you have options to make it all go away and save us your whining, this is a gun forum after all.Spoken like a true unrepentant sinner. I'm a gentleman...so lady's first...:wavey:

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:14
I think the majority of the population is tired of being bullied by the vocal miniscule minority that throw glitter bombs and attack business owners for having a different opinion.

Thanks Kingarthurhk!:supergrin:

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTLWC1unMc

I love that clip! Thanks man. So does this mean we're friends now?

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:22
Mayberry never existed, neighbor.
Sure it does. It is state of mind when time slowed down and people could actually talk to one another. Before TV and Internet and Smartphones. When people used their imagination and even read books.

Maybe you should have added 4: Stop watching/reading the news.

I agree with you 100%. I think I will take your advice.

BenjiEDF
08-08-2012, 00:33
I need everyone's help and imput on making one decision to change my life in the most positive way.



1). Quit drinking Diet Pepsi for good.

2). Quit worrying about things I can't change.

3). Quit reading and posting on GT's Religious Issues.

Stop being a junkie and call your sponsor. The Alcoholic's Anonymous parallel is so painstakingly obvious here it's rediculous. :rofl:

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:40
You can condemn her choices all you want.

But they remain her choices. :upeyes:

If God wants to punish her for her choices, that is up to God.

But it is not up to me. And it is not up to you either.

Wow...we agree on something. Maybe we should go out and buy a lottery ticket.

I may not be able to stop the mass murdering of babies but when I do have the occasion to think about it, it does sadden me.

I know this is a fallen world and it is about to get even worse. What I call a sin you would probably call an offense against morality or good conscience. Society is changing in ways that would offend us both.

I am blessed in that everyday I can hold people accountable for their choices. Most people get away with the horrible things they do to one another...but not all of them.

I am fortunate because even though I know I'm losing the battle, eventually the good guys win the war. The war is already our victory.

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:44
Stop being a junkie and call your sponsor. The Alcoholic's Anonymous parallel is so painstakingly obvious here it's rediculous. :rofl:

The two things I am deathly allergic to is dairy products and alcohol. If it wasn't for that, you'd probably be right.:whistling:

Tilley
08-08-2012, 00:58
So, you are in favor of intervening in Syria, correct?
YES!

Or... If you believe in god then go off and live your life as you think he wants you too and and stop berating others that don't.Except we are commissioned to spread the good news.

Make up your mind, is it ok for gays to campaign to change the marriage laws or not?In California the voters overwhelmingly voted against gay marriage, but then a homosexual judge over-rode the voters. Ahhh...isn't democracy grand?

Enjoy your Pepsi and chill out dude.I had a 20-year, 2 can a day Copenhagen habit. When a can started to cost $6 a can, that motivated me to quit. Hardest thing I have ever done in my life.

Diet Pepsi should be easier...:crying:

muscogee
08-08-2012, 04:32
I love that clip! Thanks man. So does this mean we're friends now?

I'm friends with everyone. Everyone's not friends with me. The clip means you're rambling. Tighten up your argument.

muscogee
08-08-2012, 04:42
Except we are commissioned to spread the good news.

The good news is that Jesus is going to return and the world is going to end sometime around 100 A.D. That's obviously not true.

PettyOfficer
08-08-2012, 07:37
You're a homosexual.

Who a whining little girl now?


Equal to what, heterosexuals? There is nothing normal or natural about homosexuality. And because a practicing gay is sinful, that is why they turn from God. They are in a state of sin as everyone else is, except gays want it to sanctioned the same way sex between a husband and wife is. It's not and it will never be.

Spoken like a true unrepentant sinner. I'm a gentleman...so lady's first...:wavey:

Wow.

Your first defense to a challenge is to call me a homosexual.

I can't begin to explain to you where your attempt to belittle me only proves your ineptitude. I am not gay, but you just keep on thinking that anybody who supports treating all mankind as equals is obviously gay or unnatural.

Wow. Wow. Wow. I normally don't have problem with people who have faith, but blind faith is the same thing as being brainwashed. Faith gives a basic guideline on how to live a good life. Taking it literally is embarrassing: it means you can't interpret the messages on your own, that you have to let others tell you what to think.

You have a weak soul and a weak mind and you hide beside insults and an ancient text you haven't truly studied: you only know what others have told you about.

You'll always be susceptible to influence and manipulation by leadership figures in your life.

A little skepticism is a good thing, you should try asking questions and challenging answers instead of hiding behind a book of passages that has been interpreted and rewritten so many times it barely resembles the original.

I'd challenge you to look it up, but I don't think you will. But ask yourself, why are there so many different versions of the bible? Why are there other faith systems? Ask those questions without assuming those people are mentally ill, believe that they are rational, and ask those questions.

I am not an atheist, good luck insulting me... Dig deep, but I doubt you have depth.

Geko45
08-08-2012, 07:50
Yes

Good deal. I have always believed that those with the ability to stop an injustice had the moral obligation to do so.

Except we are commissioned to spread the good news.

And there in lies the rub. If you're going to go out and argue that you know what's best for others (the great commission) then expect them to argue back.

In California the voters overwhelmingly voted against gay marriage, but then a homosexual judge over-rode the voters. Ahhh...isn't democracy grand?

Except we don't live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic. And you, as a religious person, should be grateful for that because it protects you from the persecution of others just as much as it protects a gay couple wanting to get married.

Norske
08-08-2012, 10:45
Wow...we agree on something. Maybe we should go out and buy a lottery ticket.

I may not be able to stop the mass murdering of babies but when I do have the occasion to think about it, it does sadden me.

I know this is a fallen world and it is about to get even worse. What I call a sin you would probably call an offense against morality or good conscience. Society is changing in ways that would offend us both.

I am blessed in that everyday I can hold people accountable for their choices. Most people get away with the horrible things they do to one another...but not all of them.

I am fortunate because even though I know I'm losing the battle, eventually the good guys win the war. The war is already our victory.

If it is a choice between freedom of the individual to make a choice, versus coercion, I come down on the side of individual choice.

Here she has to weigh her "rights" to choose to abort or not, against the "rights" of the baby to be carried ot term or not. She and the baby are those directly affected by her choice. No one else with the possible exception of the father.

To insist that the baby's right to be born outweigh's the mother's choice, and impose that decision upon her is, in my book, coercion of the mother.

Denial of any right to choose on her part, by persons not directly impacted by her pregnancy, for what they consider to be "lofty moral reasons".

Bah. Their "lofty moral reasons" still do not outweigh her right to choose for both herself and her baby.

Let God judge her actions.

Not men who think they are speaking for God.

CitizenOfDreams
08-08-2012, 10:48
I knew all along diet soda was a religion. Only under the penalty of eternal damnation could people drink something that awful.

Kingarthurhk
08-08-2012, 10:56
I'd challenge you to look it up, but I don't think you will. But ask yourself, why are there so many different versions of the bible? Why are there other faith systems? Ask those questions without assuming those people are mentally ill, believe that they are rational, and ask those questions.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11, "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477I))'></sup> Do not be deceived: <sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477J))'></sup> Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477K))'></sup> nor men who have sex with men<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28477a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28477a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28477L))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">10 </sup>nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28478M))'></sup> will inherit the kingdom of God. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>And that is what some of you were. <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479N))'></sup> But you were washed, <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479O))'></sup> you were sanctified, <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479P))'></sup> you were justified <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28479Q))'></sup> in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

So there is both a warning and redemptive statement in this passage. The act leads to eternal death. The suspension of the act does not.

PettyOfficer
08-08-2012, 14:09
Which of the 100 different translations of the Bible are you reading out of?

That's what I want you to look up: the fact that man, not god, has interpreted the bible a hundred different ways and have put their own views in it, twisting the original intent.

Or do you think it was originally written in English?!

If I was better versed, I would offer some uncommon quotes that support the love of all mankind, and the 'those without sin cast the first stone' and all that. But I'm not well versed because I know the bible is a story (aka parable) written to provide the flock with guidelines on how to live their life, not to be taken literal because it was written by men, and men are imperfect.

But if you really want to look at it, Flock = a group of sheep = sheeple = weak minded people who will follow whoever screams the loudest.

Roering
08-08-2012, 14:30
Why does it have to be done in 24 hrs?

Schabesbert
08-08-2012, 16:23
A woman is having sex.

The sex is not with either you (I assume you are a male) or me.

Is whether or not she is using contraception any business of yours or mine?
Fine. Then why do you want to force me to pay for it?

If she conceives a child, is it any business of yours or mine?
Sure is.
Or are you going to argue that if it doesn't affects us directly that it's none of our business? In that case, we should not have any say if someone enslaves, tortures, or murders someone else.

If she chooses to abort the child, what is your authority to prevent her from doing so?
If she chooses to beat the child, what is your authority to prevent her from doing so?

I only see my being involved if she insists on using my tax dollars for either her contraception or her abortion as the case may be, as I do not want my tax money used for either.

But if she pays for them herself, it is none of my business.
That's not what the HHS mandate allows, is it?
WE have to pay for "FREE" contraception.

Tilley
08-09-2012, 02:44
Deleted. I done here.


Tilley. :wavey:

Kingarthurhk
08-09-2012, 05:18
Which of the 100 different translations of the Bible are you reading out of?

That's what I want you to look up: the fact that man, not god, has interpreted the bible a hundred different ways and have put their own views in it, twisting the original intent.

Or do you think it was originally written in English?!

If I was better versed, I would offer some uncommon quotes that support the love of all mankind, and the 'those without sin cast the first stone' and all that. But I'm not well versed because I know the bible is a story (aka parable) written to provide the flock with guidelines on how to live their life, not to be taken literal because it was written by men, and men are imperfect.

But if you really want to look at it, Flock = a group of sheep = sheeple = weak minded people who will follow whoever screams the loudest.

You can search scripture end to end, you will never find a scripture that adovates homosexuality. It doesn't exist. Loving someone does not imply a sexual act.

If you do not accept scripture a fully inspired by God, then you pick and choose as you do, for whatever suits you.

2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29870AD))'></sup> and is useful for teaching, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29870AE))'></sup> rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29870AF))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>so that the servant of God<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-29871a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3&version=NIV#fen-NIV-29871a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29871AG))'></sup> may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

eracer
08-09-2012, 05:22
Then just leave them alone to marry as they please and I'm sure they will leave you alone as well.



Use a definition for life that does not depend on your religion and I will agree with you whole heartedly.



I do agree with this. I feel we have a duty to intervene on behalf of those that can not defend themselves. So, you are in favor of intervening in Syria, correct?



Very much agreed, I can't stand that SOB.



Crazies aren't new, what's new is crazies getting national headlines.



Ok, you're losing me here... :dunno:



Or... If you believe in god then go off and live your life as you think he wants you too and and stop berating others that don't.



Yes.



Only if it is worthy of respect.



Make up your mind, is it ok for gays to campaign to change the marriage laws or not?



Mayberry is (and always was) an illusion. It never existed.



You should definitely go with #2. Enjoy your Pepsi and chill out dude.Thanks for taking the time to cut and paste exactly what my response might have been.

Diet Pepsi for sure. The other two choices are impossible to achieve.

muscogee
08-09-2012, 08:59
To my atheist friends, especially Muscogee, I hope you find what you are looking for.

I enjoy looking because the more I look, the more I find. The more I find the more I realize there is to be found. "The more I know, the more I know I don't know." It's an exciting way to live.

My oldest daughter,who ran away many years ago when I was taking my family to church, recently contacted me. She told me how sorry she was for the way she had treated me. She had realized how hard I had tried to raise her right and and do what was best for her. She said she knew how hard it must have been for me. She realizes how much she needed me back in her life. When she asked me to forgive her I told her there was nothing to forgive, and invited her to come see me. She was shocked that I would want to let her back into my life. I told her I loved her and wanted what was best for her and her children. I might get hurt again. If I do, I'll get over it again. that's what kind, loving, forgiving people do. The main difference this time is that I won't be looking for any help from God. God can't let me down because he won't get the chance.

Unlike many people here would have done, I didn't preach to her on the phone nor will I preach to her when she gets here. I'm not going to condescend or give here any kind of grief. I'm certainly not going to quote scripture and lecture her for violating someones version of God's moral code. I'm not going to try to put her in any kind of box. She has suffered enough and suffered much more than I would have wanted her to. We're going to celebrate our love for each other and heal.

Unlike many here, I don't "give God all the credit" for this. God never did anything. There was a lot he could have done at the time, but he didn't. This is one of the many reasons I'm of the opinion that if the Christian God exists, he's an *******. I know, I know, "free will", "mad at God", can't blame God", and on and on. Bull****.

muscogee
08-09-2012, 09:11
You can search scripture end to end, you will never find a scripture that adovates homosexuality. It doesn't exist. Loving someone does not imply a sexual act.

If you do not accept scripture a fully inspired by God, then you pick and choose as you do, for whatever suits you.

All Christians pick and choose. Otherwise, there would be no Christianity because the New Testament lifestyle is unsustainable. The New Testament lifestyle condemns heterosexual sex as well.

1 Corinthians 7:1
Now concerning the things whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Jesus went so far as to suggest men have themselves castrated in order to avoid sex.

Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.


2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29870AD))'></sup> and is useful for teaching, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29870AE))'></sup> rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29870AF))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>so that the servant of God<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-29871a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3&version=NIV#fen-NIV-29871a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-29871AG))'></sup> may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

You realize that couldn't refer to the New Testament because there was no New Testament when that was written.

dbcooper
08-10-2012, 20:06
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things that I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference."

-the serenity prayer




Serenity Prayer

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I cannot accept,
And the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people
I had to kill today because they pissed me off.
And also, help me to be careful of the toes I step on today
As they may be connected to the ass that I have to kiss tomorrow.
Help me to always give 100% at work... 12% on Monday, 23% on Tuesday,
40% on Wenesday, 20% on Thursday, and 5% on Friday.
And help me to remember...
When I'm having a really bad day,
And it seems that people are trying to piss me off,
That it takes 42 muscles to frown
And only 4 to extend my middle finger and tell them to bite me.

Kingarthurhk
08-11-2012, 03:01
All Christians pick and choose. Otherwise, there would be no Christianity because the New Testament lifestyle is unsustainable. The New Testament lifestyle condemns heterosexual sex as well.

Let's examine the reference in its context:

1 Corinthians 7:

"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28489A))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">2 </sup>But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28491B))'></sup> and likewise the wife to her husband. <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28493C))'></sup> so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28493D))'></sup> will not tempt you <sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28493E))'></sup> because of your lack of self-control. <sup class="versenum">6 </sup>I say this as a concession, not as a command. <sup class="crossreference" value='(F (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28494F))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>I wish that all of you were as I am. <sup class="crossreference" value='(G (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28495G))'></sup> But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. <sup class="crossreference" value='(H (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28495H))'></sup>
<sup class="versenum">8 </sup>Now to the unmarried<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28496a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28496a)]</sup> and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28496I))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, <sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28497J))'></sup> for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28498K))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28499L))'></sup> And a husband must not divorce his wife.

<sup class="versenum">12 </sup>To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28500M))'></sup> If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28502N))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">15 </sup>But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. <sup class="crossreference" value='(O (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28503O))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>How do you know, wife, whether you will save <sup class="crossreference" value='(P (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28504P))'></sup> your husband? <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28504Q))'></sup> Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

Concerning Change of Status

<sup class="versenum">17 </sup>Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. <sup class="crossreference" value='(R (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28505R))'></sup> This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. <sup class="crossreference" value='(S (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28505S))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. <sup class="crossreference" value='(T (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28506T))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. <sup class="crossreference" value='(U (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28507U))'></sup> Keeping God’s commands is what counts. <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them. <sup class="crossreference" value='(V (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28508V))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; <sup class="crossreference" value='(W (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28510W))'></sup> similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave. <sup class="crossreference" value='(X (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28510X))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">23 </sup>You were bought at a price; <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28511Y))'></sup> do not become slaves of human beings. <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>Brothers and sisters, each person, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation they were in when God called them. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28512Z))'></sup>

Concerning the Unmarried

<sup class="versenum">25 </sup>Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28513AA))'></sup> but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28513AB))'></sup> is trustworthy. <sup class="versenum">26 </sup>Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28514AC))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">27 </sup>Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28515AD))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>But if you do marry, you have not sinned; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AE (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28516AE))'></sup> and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

<sup class="versenum">29 </sup>What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AF (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28517AF))'></sup> From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; <sup class="versenum">31 </sup>those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28519AG))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">32 </sup>I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28520AH))'></sup> —how he can please the Lord. <sup class="versenum">33 </sup>But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— <sup class="versenum">34 </sup>and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28522AI))'></sup> But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. <sup class="versenum">35 </sup>I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28523AJ))'></sup> devotion to the Lord.

<sup class="versenum">36 </sup>If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong<sup class="footnote" value=''>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28524b)]</sup> and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AK (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28524AK))'></sup> They should get married. <sup class="versenum">37 </sup>But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. <sup class="versenum">38 </sup>So then, he who marries the virgin does right, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AL (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28526AL))'></sup> but he who does not marry her does better.<sup class="footnote" value='[c (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-28526c)]'>[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28526c)]</sup>

<sup class="versenum">39 </sup>A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AM (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28527AM))'></sup> But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AN (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28527AN))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">40 </sup>In my judgment, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-28528AO))'></sup> she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God."



Jesus went so far as to suggest men have themselves castrated in order to avoid sex.

I don't call testitcles mentioned here:

Matthew 5:27-30, "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’<sup class="footnote" value='[e (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23262e)]'>[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23262e)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AG (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23262AG))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">28 </sup>But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AH (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23263AH))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">29 </sup>If your right eye causes you to stumble, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AI (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23264AI))'></sup> gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. <sup class="versenum">30 </sup>And if your right hand causes you to stumble, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AJ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23265AJ))'></sup> cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

Unless you are looking at Mattehw 19:1-11 perhaps?

"When Jesus had finished saying these things, <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23764B))'></sup> he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. <sup class="versenum">2 </sup>Large crowds followed him, and he healed them <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23765C))'></sup> there.
<sup class="versenum">3 </sup>Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23766D))'></sup> for any and every reason?”

<sup class="versenum">4 </sup>“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23767a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23767a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23767E))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’<sup class="footnote" value='[b (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23768b)]'>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23768b)]</sup>? <sup class="crossreference" value='(F (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23768F))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">6 </sup>So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

<sup class="versenum">7 </sup>“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” <sup class="crossreference" value='(G (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23770G))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">8 </sup>Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(H (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23772H))'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

<sup class="versenum">11 </sup>Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23774I))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>[B]For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

We can see this broken down:
1. There are people who are born without reproductive ability.
2. There are people who were made be without reproductive ability (such as those who watch over harems).
3. And then there are those who choose to live like them in a pseduo-sense. In no wise is He declaring self-castration.

This is further clarified by Paul's statements in 1 Corinthians 7.

So, scripture speaks out about all sorts of sexual immorality, including homosexuality.

Kingarthurhk
08-11-2012, 03:11
I enjoy looking because the more I look, the more I find. The more I find the more I realize there is to be found. "The more I know, the more I know I don't know." It's an exciting way to live.

My oldest daughter,who ran away many years ago when I was taking my family to church, recently contacted me. She told me how sorry she was for the way she had treated me. She had realized how hard I had tried to raise her right and and do what was best for her. She said she knew how hard it must have been for me. She realizes how much she needed me back in her life. When she asked me to forgive her I told her there was nothing to forgive, and invited her to come see me. She was shocked that I would want to let her back into my life. I told her I loved her and wanted what was best for her and her children. I might get hurt again. If I do, I'll get over it again. that's what kind, loving, forgiving people do. The main difference this time is that I won't be looking for any help from God. God can't let me down because he won't get the chance.

Unlike many people here would have done, I didn't preach to her on the phone nor will I preach to her when she gets here. I'm not going to condescend or give here any kind of grief. I'm certainly not going to quote scripture and lecture her for violating someones version of God's moral code. I'm not going to try to put her in any kind of box. She has suffered enough and suffered much more than I would have wanted her to. We're going to celebrate our love for each other and heal.

Unlike many here, I don't "give God all the credit" for this. God never did anything. There was a lot he could have done at the time, but he didn't. This is one of the many reasons I'm of the opinion that if the Christian God exists, he's an *******. I know, I know, "free will", "mad at God", can't blame God", and on and on. Bull****.

Minus the bold, I completely see your perspective. In fact, there is a parable that closely matches what you are talking about.

Luke 15:11-32. The same way you feel about your daughter, Jesus feels the same way about us. When we come back to Him it is a celebration and reunion of love and not recrimination.

God bless you for your unconditional love and care for your daughter. I wish you two the very best.

muscogee
08-11-2012, 09:04
Let's examine the reference in its context: That confirms what I wrote. Paul says a man should not touch a woman but since that's unrealistic, they can if they're married. He says this is not the best situation but is a concession. He says people should really do their best to refrain from sex because the time is short and it keeps them from devoting themselves wholly to the Lord's message.

I don't call testitcles mentioned here:

19: For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it


3. And then there are those who choose to live like them in a pseduo-sense. In no wise is He declaring self-castration.

He did in the King James version.

12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Looks like someone re-wrote the Bible to make it more realistic.

Kingarthurhk
08-11-2012, 09:17
That confirms what I wrote. Paul says a man should not touch a woman but since that's unrealistic, they can if they're married. He says this is not the best situation but is a concession. He says people should really do their best to refrain from sex because the time is short and it keeps them from devoting themselves wholly to the Lord's message.



He did in the King James version.



Looks like someone re-wrote the Bible to make it more realistic.

The King James verison has its difficulties as oxen are often referred to as unicorns.

So, again, I am not seeing any prohibition in scripture of a husband and wife engaging in sex. Homosexuality, beastiality, adultury, sex outside of marriage has all been condemned.

God set up the original marriage in its natural state between Adam and Eve as our example.

Norske
08-13-2012, 18:59
Fine. Then why do you want to force me to pay for it?

I don't frequent whores and have never paid one penny for sex.

Are you saying you do and you have? :upeyes:


Sure is.
Or are you going to argue that if it doesn't affects us directly that it's none of our business? In that case, we should not have any say if someone enslaves, tortures, or murders someone else.

We are talking about aborition. Death before birth.

Not slavery, torture, or murder. Those are offenses against those who have been born and are not the subject here.


If she chooses to beat the child, what is your authority to prevent her from doing so?

The Law?

I maitain that so long as the "baby" cannot live apart form the woman's body, it is part of her body and thus she is free to do with it as she wills.

The baby becomes an individual at such time as it is able to live apart from the woman's body. At which point, it's right to survive outweighs the mother's right to terminate it.


That's not what the HHS mandate allows, is it?
WE have to pay for "FREE" contraception.

Abstinence is free of charge. Sex is a choice. Contraception is a choice. Abortion is a choice.

I do not want my tax dollars used to pay for someone else's contraception or abortion any more than you do.

Schabesbert
08-14-2012, 08:03
I don't frequent whores and have never paid one penny for sex.

Are you saying you do and you have? :upeyes:

Are you doing this on purpose, or are you actually unable to keep track of what YOU said?

Is it a reading comprehension problem?
Is whether or not she is using contraception any business of yours or mine?

Fine. Then why do you want to force me to pay for it?


If you're having trouble, the "it" to which I was referring was contraception.

We are talking about aborition. Death before birth.
Exactly. Killing of a distinct human before it is born.

Not slavery, torture, or murder. Those are offenses against those who have been born and are not the subject here.
I see. So, you're under the misconception that there's a qualitative difference? Why?

The Law?
So, if the law is changed, you will think we're right?
Do you always blindly think the law is correct? Even in the face of things like Dred Scott, Nazi laws, etc., etc.?

The law in Germany said that it was OK to exterminate Jews.


I maitain that so long as the "baby" cannot live apart form the woman's body, it is part of her body and thus she is free to do with it as she wills.
Interesting. So, your definition of when a baby is afforded rights is dependent upon the technology of the day?
(Years ago, a baby couldn't live apart from the mother until 7.5 to 8 months of gestation; today, it's getting close to around 4 months.)

I guess I can't assume that you see the inherent logical problems with your arguments, based on your prior posts and your inability to even remember your own RECENT previous statements.

I do not want my tax dollars used to pay for someone else's contraception or abortion any more than you do.
Then why do you seem to support the HHS mandate?

Norske
08-14-2012, 17:50
If I were King, I would demand that medical science come up with 100% effective, 100% reversible, contraception.

Then, every male and female would be reversibly sterilized at puberty.

And that reversibe sterilization would not be reversed until (1) the person is at least 25 years old and (2) demonstrates he/she has the capacity to rear a child.

Eventually, medical science will continue to the point of in-vitro fertilization and womb-less gestation. No woman's womb needed.

At which point, there won't be much left to argue about, will there be.

Until that time, choice remains that of the mother so long as the baby cannot, under then-current medical science, sustain the baby's life.

After that point, the baby's right to be born overrides the mothers right to an abortion.

This is called "compromise". Neither side likes it. But both sides agree to live with it.

And move on.

Kingarthurhk
08-17-2012, 23:49
If I were King, I would demand that medical science come up with 100% effective, 100% reversible, contraception.

Then, every male and female would be reversibly sterilized at puberty.

Wow, good thing you aren't me.:tongueout:


And that reversibe sterilization would not be reversed until (1) the person is at least 25 years old and (2) demonstrates he/she has the capacity to rear a child.

So, you are into eugenics and social darwinism?


Eventually, medical science will continue to the point of in-vitro fertilization and womb-less gestation. No woman's womb needed.

At which point, there won't be much left to argue about, will there be.

I really really don't see this happening. And, with humans in their current state, there will always be something argue about.


Until that time, choice remains that of the mother so long as the baby cannot, under then-current medical science, sustain the baby's life.

After that point, the baby's right to be born overrides the mothers right to an abortion.

Now, out of curiousity, as person who declares they have absolutely no set moral compass, how did you come to this conclusion?


This is called "compromise". Neither side likes it. But both sides agree to live with it.

And move on.

Odd, I really can't see any unilateral agreement on the topic.

Norske
08-21-2012, 20:59
Wow, good thing you aren't me.:tongueout:


Good thing you are not King either. People like you used to burn people like me at the stake.



So, you are into eugenics and social darwinism?

I am "into" individual liberty. I oppose the anti-abortionists because in insisting on the baby's "right" to be born, they must first dictate that the mother has no choice in the matter. And, force their decision upon her.

I weigh the "rights" of the mother against those of the unborn baby and come down on the side of the rights of the mother so long as the baby cannot live outside of her body.

Once the baby can live outside the mother's body, then the baby has the right to live. Not before.

I really really don't see this happening. And, with humans in their current state, there will always be something argue about.

I agree with you there.

Now, out of curiousity, as person who declares they have absolutely no set moral compass, how did you come to this conclusion?

I do have a "moral compass". See above about "individual liberty".

Odd, I really can't see any unilateral agreement on the topic.

Compromise has nothing to do with "unilateral agreement".

"Compromise" means agreeing to disagree while respecting each other's individual liberties and not inflicting our notions upon others---and moving on.

But women will continue to have pregnancies they do not want, and anti-abortionists will still try to force them to bear the babies, in between blowing up abortion clinics, I guess.

Kingarthurhk
08-22-2012, 05:31
Good thing you are not King either. People like you used to burn people like me at the stake.

I think you have me confused with another religion. Mine are by-in-large pacifists and believe in religious liberty for all.


I am "into" individual liberty. I oppose the anti-abortionists because in insisting on the baby's "right" to be born, they must first dictate that the mother has no choice in the matter. And, force their decision upon her.

That hardly seems fair, they get to murder people and no one else does? I guess we could go with the Obama principle he had years ago and take it a step farther into infanticide. We allow viable babies to be destroyed invitro, why not after they are born? Where do we draw the line?


I weigh the "rights" of the mother against those of the unborn baby and come down on the side of the rights of the mother so long as the baby cannot live outside of her body.

How does that change anything? If they are destroyed inside while they could exist viably and a premature infant, why not allow them to kill the child after it is born for convenience sake as well? There is an ancient Roman tradition of exposing unwanted babiies on a hillside and letting them die. I fail to see the difference. It is all with the concept that a human life is simply inconvenient.


Once the baby can live outside the mother's body, then the baby has the right to live. Not before.

They are doing late term abortions as we type.


I do have a "moral compass". See above about "individual liberty".

Alright, where does it derive from?


Compromise has nothing to do with "unilateral agreement".

"Compromise" means agreeing to disagree while respecting each other's individual liberties and not inflicting our notions upon others---and moving on.


Wait a miniute, you have decided against the wishes of many, and you are inflicting your notion on others.


But women will continue to have pregnancies they do not want, and anti-abortionists will still try to force them to bear the babies, in between blowing up abortion clinics, I guess.

I strongly disagree with the concept of blowing anything up. Murdering the murderers doesn't send a postive message about not murdering. At that point you just become one yourself.

Convenience abortion is vile. Especially, when there are so many options available: a wealth of contraception both internal and external, and morning after pills.

My wife and I would never consider an abortion, period, paragraph. However, when we wanted children, it was effortless. Now, that we don't want any more natural chidlren, we have taken internal steps to prevent pregnancy, and it has worked like a charm.

Common sense just isn't common anymore.