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coleslaw
07-25-2012, 08:03
If you were a minimalist or are a minilimast what gun caliber did you choose and why? I have a friend that leads a minimilast lifestyle and he chose a .45, he says it's a good middle of the road defense caliber, it's all he needs. Personally, I told him I thought he'd be better off with a .357 mag if only limiting yourself to the basic needs, but I don't even have .357 so it was kind of hypocritical for me to tell him that. So what are your opinions on living a minimalist lifestyle and being a responsible gun owner at the same time?

Old School
07-25-2012, 08:37
I have to agree with the .357 mag assessment, specifically in stainless steel.

SigFTW
07-25-2012, 08:44
I had to Google minimalist lifestyle to find out what it's all about. lol, to each their own I guess.

I'm curious to see if others on GT would know about minimalist lifestyle :)

mr00jimbo
07-25-2012, 08:49
You talkin' bout those weirdos who sleep on the floor and brag about not having a TV?
They probably wouldn't want a gun, it's a mere possession. ;)

Or a do all caliber?

Lior
07-25-2012, 08:53
Surely a knife is more minimalistic than a gun.

1gewehr
07-25-2012, 10:11
In this context, I understand that 'minimalist' is being used to describe someone who has a single firearm for the widest variety of uses.

In that case, it is very hard to beat the .357 revolver. Plinking with cheap .38 reloads, hunting with .357 heavy loads, self defense with .357 125gr JHP, etc. Most folks can hide a 4" revolver with small grips and a round butt. Change the grips and you have a comfortable hunting or target revolver.

Ruggles
07-25-2012, 10:19
I agree a 4" .357 is about as versatile as you can get. :) I don't have one either.

Tim151515
07-25-2012, 10:38
if i was only going to have one gun itd prolly be a 9mm.

Metal Angel
07-25-2012, 10:48
Maybe I'm the only one, but I think 9mm for a minimalist. Cheap, effective, available, widespread use, etc... If you are looking for versatility, I do agree the .357 revolver can hardly be beat. I do think .357 is a little less bite than bark out of a barrel shorter than 4", and anything above 4" would be hard to conceal, (actually, I think 4" would be hard to conceal) so I think a minimalist needs to figure out what he needs, because ability to hunt with and ability to conceal seem to be at odds with each other. If I wanted to lean towards hunting, .357 revolver, 4-6" barrel. If I wanted to lean towards concealment, 9mm in a compact or subcompact frame.

On the other hand, I have heard of people hunting with .45acp, and there are many good concealable frames for that caliber, so your friend may be right. .45acp may be the best for a minimalist.

CitizenOfDreams
07-25-2012, 10:54
9mm. The cheapest and the most common centerfire round.

4 glocks
07-25-2012, 11:00
The minimalist's caliber? I would say a .22lr

PhantomF4E
07-25-2012, 11:17
9mm Pistol ( sort of effective) Carbine (sort of effective) you did say minimalist . Cheap (minimal) plentiful (minimal) effective (minimal but effective) It'll cover your buttocks and put meat on the table ...minimally... You could slap a .45acp into the same 9mm section and be a bit better off though . Not as plentiful though.

Unistat
07-25-2012, 11:38
Since you asked "minimalist caliber" and not "one gun" I'm going to assume you mean which round can do the most in a wide variety of guns. That is, the intent is to only have to buy and stock one caliber that can be used in any gun one may own (not regarding specific loadings and bullet types.)

Minimalist caliber: .357 Magnum.

.357 snub revolvers for CC.
.357 4" or 6" make a great woods gun or nightstand gun.
.357 has a proven and definitive record as a self-defense caliber.
.357 in a lever carbine can take dear.
.357 Coonan if you want a semi-auto.
.357 reloads well, you can go light if you want and have a .38 special equivalent, good for teaching new shooters.
.357 common as dirt and available everywhere, even WalMart.

Yes I do own one :) (S&W M13 square butt)

If I was limited to just a few calibers, I would probably choose .22 LR, .357 Mag, 12 ga, & .308 Win. Thank the Good Lord I'm not.

Bruce M
07-25-2012, 16:27
I would be torn between a Model 66 four inch or a Glock 19 for minimalism.

CharlestonG26
07-25-2012, 16:43
The G19 is a moderately priced, highly versatile, simple weapon that fires a highly popular, relatively inexpensive round. It is easy to work on and requires very little maintenance. IMO...it certainly is suitable for a minimalist lifestyle.

glock2740
07-25-2012, 16:50
For the one gun dude, I would say either Glock G19 9mm or Ruger 4" stainless GP100 .357 Magnum.

And for the eccentric one gun dude, I would say Wilson Super Grade in 9x25 Dillon. :cool:

bac1023
07-25-2012, 17:12
9mm would be my choice. It's always been my favorite caliber.

Highspeedlane
07-25-2012, 17:18
The minimalist's caliber? I would say a .22lr

Make that a double. My first thought.

DoubleWide
07-25-2012, 17:42
If you're trying to do everything under the sun, .357 is the winner.

Not everybody thinks they need to do everything like hunt and ccw though or put rifle and pistols calibers together.

12 gauge would also be better in some ways.

.357 isn't as readily available as other calibers. I'm not saying it's uncommon.

Also if you're loading the .357 12 different way is it minimalist?

I'd pretty much pick a service pistol and a rifle caliber. Of course, the .22 and 12 gauge want to join the party too.

arclight610
07-25-2012, 17:43
Since you asked "minimalist caliber" and not "one gun" I'm going to assume you mean which round can do the most in a wide variety of guns. That is, the intent is to only have to buy and stock one caliber that can be used in any gun one may own (not regarding specific loadings and bullet types.)

Minimalist caliber: .357 Magnum.

.357 snub revolvers for CC.
.357 4" or 6" make a great woods gun or nightstand gun.
.357 has a proven and definitive record as a self-defense caliber.
.357 in a lever carbine can take dear.
.357 Coonan if you want a semi-auto.
.357 reloads well, you can go light if you want and have a .38 special equivalent, good for teaching new shooters.
.357 common as dirt and available everywhere, even WalMart.

Yes I do own one :) (S&W M13 square butt)

If I was limited to just a few calibers, I would probably choose .22 LR, .357 Mag, 12 ga, & .308 Win. Thank the Good Lord I'm not.

If only it were dirt cheap.

bac1023
07-25-2012, 17:59
The minimalist's caliber? I would say a .22lr

Its way too limited in what it can do to be an only gun.

collim1
07-25-2012, 18:14
It would rule out a handgun, but 12g is by far the best "minimalist" caliber.

The versatility is awesome. Slugs, buck. heavy shot, light shot it really cant be beat.

TalkToTheGlock
07-25-2012, 18:32
9mm would be my choice. It's always been my favorite caliber.

Agreed.

While I have guns in several calibers from 9mm to .45ACP to 10mm to .357SIG, I would say that 9mm is all I would need.

I am actually not buying anything but 9mm pistols from now on unless I really really want it. 9mm suits me just fine.

arclight610
07-25-2012, 18:35
It would rule out a handgun, but 12g is by far the best "minimalist" caliber.

The versatility is awesome. Slugs, buck. heavy shot, light shot it really cant be beat.

Grenades, tasers

4 glocks
07-25-2012, 18:58
Its way too limited in what it can do to be an only gun.


22lr I agree I was just taking it to the minimal.

vikingsoftpaw
07-25-2012, 19:51
I have to agree with the .357 mag assessment, specifically in stainless steel.

I'm inclined to agree. The .357 mag is capable of taking deer-sized game, a definite plus.

Metal Angel
07-25-2012, 20:19
I think talking about all the various things you can do with a single caliber is missing the point of minimalism. I think a minimalist gun owner has one firearm for one purpose. That purpose may vary from minimalist to minimalist, but the purpose won't vary for the individual minimalist. Just my thoughts.

coleslaw
07-26-2012, 01:08
I think talking about all the various things you can do with a single caliber is missing the point of minimalism. I think a minimalist gun owner has one firearm for one purpose. That purpose may vary from minimalist to minimalist, but the purpose won't vary for the individual minimalist. Just my thoughts.

You're right, his idea is that the .45 is all the gun he needs.

Someone mentioned a 12 gauge. I actually told him that a shotgun would probably be better along with telling him that a .357 mag would be the most versatile. I told him to look at 20 gauge's... more than enough for self defense and light on the shoulder when shooting it.

Someone else mentioned a .22lr and since his only concern is his safety from BG's he decided on a bigger caliber.

Metal Angel
07-26-2012, 01:34
You're right, his idea is that the .45 is all the gun he needs.

Someone mentioned a 12 gauge. I actually told him that a shotgun would probably be better along with telling him that a .357 mag would be the most versatile. I told him to look at 20 gauge's... more than enough for self defense and light on the shoulder when shooting it.

Someone else mentioned a .22lr and since his only concern is his safety from BG's he decided on a bigger caliber.

Well if the main role is SD, then I think he picked a great caliber. I would have chosen 9mm for the typical reasons that someone would choose 9mm over .45, but between the main 3 auto calibers (9mm, .40sw, .45acp) you can't really go wrong... It just comes down to preference. His .45 will have higher capacity and faster reloads than a similar sized revolver, and if we are being realistic, a .357mag in a reasonable SD barrel length is no more powerful than a .45acp. The only real difference is going to be on the shooters end. More blast and harder kick in a .357mag. I think people who don't shoot .357mag don't realize how much it actually kicks. I shot a full size 1911 and a Taurus 6" ported revolver with light .357mags side by side and the 1911 felt like a .22lr compared to the revolver.

aaroncstevens
07-26-2012, 01:42
I could simplify my entire collection to 9 mm and largely not miss the others. I have no need to but have been tempted many times...

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Bill Keith
07-26-2012, 03:45
Maybe I'm the only one, but I think 9mm for a minimalist. Cheap, effective, available, widespread use, etc... If you are looking for versatility, I do agree the .357 revolver can hardly be beat. I do think .357 is a little less bite than bark out of a barrel shorter than 4", and anything above 4" would be hard to conceal, (actually, I think 4" would be hard to conceal) so I think a minimalist needs to figure out what he needs, because ability to hunt with and ability to conceal seem to be at odds with each other. If I wanted to lean towards hunting, .357 revolver, 4-6" barrel. If I wanted to lean towards concealment, 9mm in a compact or subcompact frame.

On the other hand, I have heard of people hunting with .45acp, and there are many good concealable frames for that caliber, so your friend may be right. .45acp may be the best for a minimalist.

DANG, you read my mind...must be that vulcan, mind-meld thang:wavey:

checkyoursix
07-26-2012, 04:29
9mm for me. Plentiful, versatile cheap.

When reloading gets in the picture you are maximizing the amount of equipment you need, hardly a minimalistic choice.

English
07-26-2012, 07:09
If minimalist means being able to do the most different things from one handgun, the G20 is the outstanding contender. Good self defence against men or animals and useable for hunting from rabbits up to black bear and elk. Limited penetration or high penetration with choice of ammunition. Light enough to carry all day. Moderately concealable with moderate recoil. Accurate enough for most purposes. What else can do all that?

English

1gewehr
07-26-2012, 08:56
If minimalist means being able to do the most different things from one handgun, the G20 is the outstanding contender. Good self defence against men or animals and useable for hunting from rabbits up to black bear and elk. English

When is the last time you shot a bunny with a 10mm? Sure, it can be done, but there won't be a lot of edible meat left. :rofl:

ChuteTheMall
07-26-2012, 09:07
The minimalist's caliber? I would say a .22lr

But a .22 Short is even minimilar.

:rofl:


Beware the man with only one gun; he probably knows how to use it.

The .45ACP is a fine choice, a Glock 30 can be 13+1 using the Glock 21 mags, so that's my primary bedside handgun.

However I prefer the 9mm for just about everything else, it's what I use for most of my defensive handgun training, and it's what I usually carry.

As a maximalist, I prefer a wide variety of guns and ammo.:cool:

brisk21
07-26-2012, 09:38
9mm for sure.

SigFTW
07-26-2012, 09:43
As a maximalist, I prefer a wide variety of guns and ammo.:cool:

X2 That's me!!

I would go with the 9mm also :dunno:

deadite
07-26-2012, 10:18
Its way too limited in what it can do to be an only gun.

I tend to agree, but it got me thinking. My rimfires are easily my most accurate, easy shooting, and ergonomic handguns. If hunting, self defense, and target shooting are all about shot placement, for me the 22 is winner.

Don't get me wrong I'd rather have a 9mm, 45acp or 10mm any day for self defense.

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unit1069
07-26-2012, 13:12
For my particular circumstances I'll take .357sig as it covers a wide range of scenarios.

fnfalman
07-26-2012, 15:04
I'd choose the .44 Magnum chambered wheelgun. That way I can shoot .44 Mag, .44 Special and .44 Russian.

English
07-26-2012, 15:48
When is the last time you shot a bunny with a 10mm? Sure, it can be done, but there won't be a lot of edible meat left. :rofl:

The problem with rabbits is rabbit holes. If you don't drop them where they are they escape down a hole and die there. Half a dead rabbit in the hand is better than 7/8ths of a rabbit beneath six feet of earth. Apart from that, they don't have to be shot with Gold Dots at 1300fps.

English

cjcharvet
07-26-2012, 18:11
I could simplify my entire collection to 9 mm and largely not miss the others. I have no need to but have been tempted many times...

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Just did and I don't.

9mm: Easiest to stack high and deep. Wait...what's a minimalist again?

cowboy1964
07-26-2012, 19:27
I don't quite understand what "minimalist" has to do with anything. Is the real question: if you could only have one caliber what would it be? Well what is the intended use? Will it be carried concealed? Etc.

byf43
07-26-2012, 19:34
"Minimalist"???
One gun??

Marlin 1895G in .45-70 Gummint.

Now, if you're talking about one handgun: 1911 in .45 acp.

DoubleWide
07-26-2012, 21:25
If minimalist means being able to do the most different things from one handgun, the G20 is the outstanding contender. Good self defence against men or animals and useable for hunting from rabbits up to black bear and elk. Limited penetration or high penetration with choice of ammunition. Light enough to carry all day. Moderately concealable with moderate recoil. Accurate enough for most purposes. What else can do all that?

English

Just because 10mm has the fewest guns for a caliber, doesn't make it a minimalist's caliber.

NEOH212
07-27-2012, 03:54
If I was going to own only one handgun and no other, I would go with a .44 Mag. I can load it anywhere from mild to wild and if I can't do it with a .44 then I know I have to go for the rifle.

pmwglock19
07-27-2012, 07:44
If it is for many purposes I think the 357 mag revolver is the best option, use 38 spl with shot, wadcutters, JHP, fmj and shot shell would fill the bill as a minimalist caliber with multiple uses.

WayaX
07-27-2012, 08:15
I don't see why it would be one gun. I'd see one handgun and a rifle to be minimalist. In that case, I'd probably go with a .357 mag revolver and a lever action rifle in the same caliber.

Big Sam
07-27-2012, 12:48
I don't have much minimalist in me. Maybe a little flair up once in a long while. But if one gun had to cover the most uses and be flexible from rabbit to deer to bad guys my choice would be very simple. Like many guys have zero'd in on, I'd pick the 357 mag. Specifically the Ruger GP-100, stainless with a 4" full lug barrel. Mine launches 200gr Beartooth bullets at 1,200 fps, 185's at 1,300 fps, and it will shoot 125 Gold Dots just as well for social needs. Put in some 38 wadcutters and it's mean bunny medicine. Oh yeah, snake loads too. Personally I carry a Glock but I've covered some miles with the 4" GP and it's quite a gun. YMMV of course.

wjv
07-27-2012, 15:12
.22 Magnum

CharlestonG26
07-27-2012, 17:32
You're right, his idea is that the .45 is all the gun he needs.

Someone mentioned a 12 gauge. I actually told him that a shotgun would probably be better along with telling him that a .357 mag would be the most versatile. I told him to look at 20 gauge's... more than enough for self defense and light on the shoulder when shooting it.

Someone else mentioned a .22lr and since his only concern is his safety from BG's he decided on a bigger caliber.

The 12 gauge is much more versatile...light load 12 gauge ammo shoots like a 20 gauge and with a 12 gauge there's still the option of moving up to stouter rounds.

walt cowan
07-30-2012, 17:39
The minimalist's caliber? I would say a .22lr

no, 22 short.:wavey:

my762buzz
07-30-2012, 22:45
The one do it all caliber?

12 gauge of course

Why?

Because it allows shooting 72 caliber or smaller projectiles with sabots, and lead balls of various sizes.

You can get over 4500 foot pounds of energy and/or exceed 2000 fps. The ammo is readily available and relatively cheap for what you get. You can hunt nearly any animal with the right load and it works great for defensive purposes.

TED
07-31-2012, 01:42
I have often said that if I knew someone who wasn't really a gun person but wanted to have a gun just in case... A mathced pair SS DA revovler and lever gun would be hard to beat. Power levels all across the board from mild to wild and no mags to keep up on. If you have the gun, and you have the ammo, you put the ammo in the gun and you shoot.

TED

rjm
07-31-2012, 05:50
If I had to, I could do it all with my .327 federal magnum, that includes self defense and hunting applications.

A couple of years ago I decided to get my collection down and sold all my semi-auto pistols, most of my rifles and decided to concentrate on just a few. The .327 does it all for me, especially in the firearms I have chambered for it. It doesn't do well on birds though, which is why I have the 12 guages. It will do okay on whitetail in a pinch, but I kept a rifle for that, chambered in .243 win.

DRhodes
07-31-2012, 06:04
The one do it all caliber?

12 gauge of course



Concur.

DustyJacket
07-31-2012, 06:44
I have a friend that leads a minimilast lifestyle and he chose a .45, he says it's a good middle of the road defense caliber, it's all he needs.

I would say a .38SPL or .357MAG handles everything from light target shooting to self defense to pest control ( rat/snake shot rounds).

If he does not CCW then a 4"-5" revolver would do it.

However, if all he is interested in is self defence and practice, a .45 is hard to beat.

Unistat
07-31-2012, 11:33
It would rule out a handgun, but 12g is by far the best "minimalist" caliber.

The versatility is awesome. Slugs, buck. heavy shot, light shot it really cant be beat.

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tgmr05
07-31-2012, 11:58
45 acp, or 45 Colt, or 44 mag. No need for fancy bullets....


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GWG19
08-01-2012, 08:59
My dad has minimalist view on firearms (I did not inherit that trait), he has a 1911 in 45acp, a 308 rifle for hunting and a 870 for small game. After 20 years with the 308 he added a Ruger #1 in 7mm mag for longer range hunting and a muzzle loader for the extended hunting season.
I asked him about a 357, his response was that the 45 has killed people just fine for a very long time. He is a retired Col. who carried and used one.

WarEagle32
08-01-2012, 11:59
Glock 19 is my advice as well!

alabaster
08-01-2012, 12:08
9mm. Minimalists can still blast away NATO roundsd all the way to extrme shock ammo and have all the ammo, mags, parts, and general accessibility along with low recoild and great shootability that one could ask for. I like more power, but I would take a 9 milli GLock for an "Only 1" gun any day.

63bmechanic
08-01-2012, 12:25
glock 20/29, itll defend your life, stop a pissed off animal from wanting to eat you, and can feed you by putting game on the table (if your THAT minimalist)

wjv
08-01-2012, 13:25
Piece of pipe, a spring and a nail + a few other parts and you have a zip gun.

That's pretty minimalist!

Warp
08-01-2012, 14:02
If I could only have one gun it would be a Glock 26.

Sounds pretty minimalist to me...one gun, it's not a very expensive gun, it is reliable and durable and should last a long long time, caliber is sufficient for defensive use but not too expensive...