View Full Version : Austrian steel! - Wolf SV Ultramatic 9mm :):)
I just picked up the Wolf SV pistol that I talked about a few months ago in this thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1415042
When I first spotted it in a shop in the Poconos in April, I had never seen one before. I've been thinking about it on and off all summer. Over the last couple of months, I gathered what little data there is online about them and have been quite intrigued. Well, I had a couple days off this week and decided to call the shop and see if it was still for sale. It turns out that they had taken it out of the case to make room for other handguns and it was still available. After hearing that, I decided to take a trip north and pick it up. I'm glad I decided to grab it. This gun is cool as hell. As I said in that thread, the price was $699. However, I was able to haggle them down $50, so I got it for $695 OTD after taxes and fees.
As the thread title states, these pistols were built in Austria for only a couple years in the mid to late 1990's. The design is very unique, as you can see. The barrel and slide are both fixed with only an internal bolt moving. The pistol is extremely high quality. You can tell that by just picking it up and cocking the hammer. It feels like a very precision built, heavy duty piece of machinery. Reliability is supposed to be a bit suspect, due to the very tight tolerances of the pistol coupled with a rather complicated design. I'm not overly concerned, as its just a novelty piece for my collection and occasional range time. Speaking of range time, the trigger is outstanding. Its not overly light, but has a very solid and precise feel. Its finished very well also. It appears to be a satin nickel of some sort from the looks of it. As you can imagine from my description, this pistol is incredibly hefty. I sat it on my digital scale and it weighed in at 46.8oz unloaded. To put that in proper perspective, its about 8oz (a half pound) heavier than a full size government 1911. That should tell you just how solid the construction is. Although a bit smaller in overall size, this Wolf is a half ounce heavier than my all steel Sig X-Five L1 with the magwell and everything. The Sig weighs in at 46.2oz. In fact, the only auto pistol I own that's heavier than the Wolf is my Desert Eagle 50AE at 69.8oz. Of course, that shoots a round with about three times the muzzle energy. Shooting 9mm in this pistol will be like shooting 38 Special out of a Smith N frame revolver.
The company went out of business due to the very high cost of the gun. The retail price was $2000 and up in the 1990's and they simply couldn't sell enough to make a profit. After production stopped and the business went under, CDNN blew out the remaining stock at very cheap prices. However, they are now extremely difficult to find.
The gun itself is in excellent condition. Other than a couple marks on the right grip, there isn't a significant scratch to be found. It came complete with the original case and manual. Capacity is 18 rounds, but, unfortunately, it only came with one Clinton-era 10 round mag. They are proprietary mags built by Mec-Gar, so the chances of finding a couple 18 rounders is probably slim to none.
Here is a video I found on You Tube. Its very short, but you can see the gun in action.
Shooting the Wolf SV Ultramatic semi-auto Austrian pistol - YouTube
Here is a review by the same person. Since his gun is blued, you can see the markings a bit better. However, the markings on his gun are slightly different than mine.
My review of the Wolf Ultramatic SV - an Austrian fixed-barrel pistol - YouTube
That is enough for now. As you can tell, I really excited about this pistol. I plan to get to the range this weekend if at all possible.
Please enjoy and pics and share your thoughts. BTW, its hard as hell to photo nickel firearms, but I did the best I could. :embarassed:
Thanks!
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/023-5.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/039-2.jpg
Here are a couple pics of the slide so you can clearly see the markings. :cool:
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/IMG_0072.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/IMG_0075.jpg
RustyShackelford
07-25-2012, 12:43
Well it sure looks pretty neat. I guess I have to read up on it's functions vs other similar pistols. I am interested in your range reviews/pics.
From what you wrote about the Wolf, it seems like a very high quality pistol for a great price. It's collectible worthy for sure!
Congrats on a great find :thumbsup:
I guess I have to read up on it's functions vs other similar pistols. I am interested in your range reviews/pics.
I'm also looking forward to comparing it with some of my other high end/target 9mms.
I wish you bought one and posted pics of it back when CDNN was giving them away. I'd have gotten one.
I would contact Mec-Gar. They are a great company to deal with and you never know what they may have lying in a back room somewhere.
I wish you bought one and posted pics of it back when CDNN was giving them away. I'd have gotten one.
I would contact Mec-Gar. They are a great company to deal with and you never know what they may have lying in a back room somewhere.
Thanks.
Yeah, once the company went belly up, they had a fire sale on them for a while. It didn't last too long, because there wasn't many built.
This is the only one I've ever seen. The thread I started back in April is proof of that. I didn't even know what the hell I was looking at. :animlol: :embarassed:
Raven1967
07-25-2012, 19:15
That is one nice looking pistol,I never saw one of those before.I bet its a smooth shooter.
ronin.45
07-25-2012, 19:52
I'm thinking the same thing as WiskyT, call Mec-Gar. They may have a few sitting in a box somewhere that they couldn't sell.
As I said in the original thread, it is a nice addition to your 9mm collection.
That is one nice looking pistol,I never saw one of those before.I bet its a smooth shooter.
Thanks
I'm looking forward to finding out.
stolenphot0
07-25-2012, 20:44
pretty neat looking pistol. Hope its everything you expected.
Congrats Bac on a very unique pistola. Looks very very very tight. First glance gives me 3rd gen Smith auto mixed with some CZ.
Congrats Bac on a very unique pistola. Looks very very very tight. First glance gives me 3rd gen Smith auto mixed with some CZ.
Thanks
It is extremely tight. I can't wait to get to the range. :supergrin:
fnfalman
07-26-2012, 08:38
Damn, that's one ugly mofo.
Damn, that's one ugly mofo.
:animlol:
I never said it was a beauty, but it has cool factor. :cool:
Its certainly a well built handgun.
Damn, that's one ugly mofo.
I think its a very good looking pistol. :supergrin:
The more I look at it the more I like it. I guess I have strange taste.:dunno:
I think its a very good looking pistol. :supergrin:
The more I look at it the more I like it. I guess I have strange taste.:dunno:
I like it just because its so exotic looking.
glockrex
07-26-2012, 15:36
Congrats! Fascinating, I've never heard of that gun before or seen that type of action on a pistol that is not a .22. Let us know how it shoots!
Congrats! Fascinating, I've never heard of that gun before or seen that type of action on a pistol that is not a .22. Let us know how it shoots!
I hadn't ever heard of it either...
lifesizepotato
08-04-2012, 13:47
Here is a half-assed review by the same person. Since his gun is blued, you can see the markings a bit better. However, the markings on his gun are slightly different than mine.
My review of the Wolf Ultramatic SV - an Austrian fixed-barrel pistol - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYaPUuN32lQ)
So, in your esteemed opinion, Brian, is there something I should have done to make my video full-assed? I'd at least like it to be 3/4 assed, if possible
I spent a lot of time researching the gun before making that video (in multiple languages, btw), and as you know, there is virtually no information out there about them. In fact, everything YOU apparently know about them is what I said in the video. Did I leave something out?
I make my videos to share both the history of the unique guns in my collection as well as my experiences with them, and I do the best I can at that. I spend a lot of time researching and then editing them to keep them from being over-long but to keep them informative. I don't intend for them to be entertainment in Hickok45 fashion, but rather as sort of a video reference library for people who many times will never even see the things in real life. Would you prefer I prattle on for 45+ minutes like Nutnfancy?
I'm very aware of your reputation here and on other gun boards (and I admire your collection of handguns), and I mean no disrespect, but I don't appreciate you implying that I just slapped that video together on a whim one afternoon and considered it "done."
I also look forward to hearing your fully-assed review on the gun, mostly because I haven't really come across anyone else's first-hand experience with them and I respect your opinions on handguns.
So, in your esteemed opinion, Brian, is there something I should have done to make my video full-assed? I'd at least like it to be 3/4 assed, if possible
I spent a lot of time researching the gun before making that video (in multiple languages, btw), and as you know, there is virtually no information out there about them. In fact, everything YOU apparently know about them is what I said in the video. Did I leave something out?
I make my videos to share both the history of the unique guns in my collection as well as my experiences with them, and I do the best I can at that. I spend a lot of time researching and then editing them to keep them from being over-long but to keep them informative. I don't intend for them to be entertainment in Hickok45 fashion, but rather as sort of a video reference library for people who many times will never even see the things in real life. Would you prefer I prattle on for 45+ minutes like Nutnfancy?
I'm very aware of your reputation here and on other gun boards (and I admire your collection of handguns), and I mean no disrespect, but I don't appreciate you implying that I just slapped that video together on a whim one afternoon and considered it "done."
I also look forward to hearing your fully-assed review on the gun, mostly because I haven't really come across anyone else's first-hand experience with them and I respect your opinions on handguns.
Wow. You joined up for that?
Listen, I apologize and I also appreciate your compliments.
Saying what I said was wrong. I get a bit overzealous at times, but there was no disrespect meant. I actually haven't had the chance to shoot it yet, but I will at some point very soon.
lifesizepotato
08-06-2012, 10:46
I've always lurked here on and off, but just never felt compelled to sign up. Had to defend my honor! ;)
I usually ignore hater comments on my videos, but since I envy your collection and appreciate your opinions on guns, it struck a nerve more than usual. No hard feelings.
Also, I sincerely am looking forward to your thoughts on shooting the Ultramatic. I hope yours is more reliable than mine, which stovepipes at least once a mag.
Wow. You joined up for that?
Listen, I apologize and I also appreciate your compliments.
Saying what I said was wrong. I get a bit overzealous at times, but there was no disrespect meant. I actually haven't had the chance to shoot it yet, but I will at some point very soon.
I've always lurked here on and off, but just never felt compelled to sign up. Had to defend my honor! ;)
I usually ignore hater comments on my videos, but since I envy your collection and appreciate your opinions on guns, it struck a nerve more than usual. No hard feelings.
Also, I sincerely am looking forward to your thoughts on shooting the Ultramatic. I hope yours is more reliable than mine, which stovepipes at least once a mag.
Bryan,
I feel like a horse's ass for my comment. I don't even have the gumption to post YT videos, so who in the hell am I to make remarks like that, lol?
Anyway, I appreciate your kind words. Since you're here now, why not stick around? Its a great forum with a tremendous amount of knowledge and good folks.
Its always nice to see a fellow gun enthusist who shares my passion for the obscure handguns you don't see often. Please post some pics of your other stuff as well. I'd love to see it on GT.
:wavey:
...by the way, Brian is spelled with an "I", not a "Y". :tongueout:
Veedubklown
08-06-2012, 15:28
:animlol:
I never said it was a beauty, but it has cool factor. :cool:
Its certainly a well built handgun.
I think its a very good looking pistol. :supergrin:
The more I look at it the more I like it. I guess I have strange taste.:dunno:
I agree with Sig, I think it's beautiful, especially in the duotone. It resembles the love child of a CZ and a 1911, and I don't think there's anything there to not love.
Great find bac, grats!
I agree with Sig, I think it's beautiful, especially in the duotone. It resembles the love child of a CZ and a 1911, and I don't think there's anything there to not love.
Great find bac, grats!
Thanks, my friend. :cool:
lifesizepotato
08-06-2012, 22:50
Thought I'd offer up a photo of my Ultramatic while I'm here. We can make this the de facto hub for Ultramatics on the internet. Just having Bac's photos doubled the amount available online!
http://i.imgur.com/qPUIW.jpg
I think it looks pretty boss in the blue finish with wood grips. Mine's regrettably in 40S&W, but I hope to come across one in 9mm some day.
Here's a close-up of the bolt locked open:
http://i.imgur.com/pgE4Y.jpg
Very nice pics - I think I like the looks of the blued model better.
I definitely getting to the range very soon and will report back. I'm wondering if the 9mm version will be any more reliable. :dunno:
Any idea what's different about yours (other than the finish and the caliber)? I'm just curious why yours says "Competition" on it. It may just be different years of production, as the serial numbers and other markings seem quite different as well.
I really know next to nothing about these pistols.
There are several generations of this pistol.
The last one is the "Wolf". The name comes from Mr. Wolf who financed this last version and lost a lot of money on this project.
The Ultramatic had always function problems and that is the reason this pistol never amounted too much.
The concept is a nice one and if I had an Ultramatic, I would keep it as a show pice.
cpl.mooney
01-03-2013, 08:40
Hey guys, just thought I would share in the glory of Wolf Ultramatics! I found one yesterday! Beautiful condition, its the dual tone blue/stainless 9mm. I will be posting some pictures of it soon, after I try to decipher the manual on cleaning the thing.
Hey guys, just thought I would share in the glory of Wolf Ultramatics! I found one yesterday! Beautiful condition, its the dual tone blue/stainless 9mm. I will be posting some pictures of it soon, after I try to decipher the manual on cleaning the thing.
Awesome! :cool:
Congrats on a VERY cool pistol. I only had mine to the range once, but the trigger is amazing.
The manual is not real easy to read, but I'm sure you'll get it.
:welcome:, by the way. Did this thread bring you to GT?
Dubble-Tapper
01-03-2013, 13:57
cool find Bac!
it does look like a 1911, a smith 5906, and a CZ had an orgy, and this was the offspring. very unique, i wouldnt say ugly, but very different.
cpl.mooney
01-03-2013, 14:31
Awesome! :cool:
Congrats on a VERY cool pistol. I only had mine to the range once, but the trigger is amazing.
The manual is not real easy to read, but I'm sure you'll get it.
:welcome:, by the way. Did this thread bring you to GT?
Bac1023, yes it was. Did a google search and this is what I came up with. Thanks for starting it!
Bac1023, yes it was. Did a google search and this is what I came up with. Thanks for starting it!
Glad to hear :)
Yeah, a Google search doesn't bring up much on this pistol. I look forward to seeing pics of yours. :cool:
ca survivor
01-03-2013, 16:23
Congrats!
cool find Bac!
it does look like a 1911, a smith 5906, and a CZ had an orgy, and this was the offspring. very unique, i wouldnt say ugly, but very different.
Thanks
Different would be an understatement. ;)
cpl.mooney
01-04-2013, 07:51
Ok, keep in mind I haven't cleaned it yet. But here ya go.
Ok, keep in mind I haven't cleaned it yet. But here ya go.
Looks great
They are very well built pistols. I look forward to your shooting impressions. I really love how precise the trigger feels. :cool:
Old Bobby
01-05-2013, 12:20
Hi Guys, Congrats on owning a Wolf Ultra. I purchased mine from CDNN in July 2010. My main concern about this pistol is the Ad states that the pistol is not to be fired. Also stamped onto the frame is the words, " prototype do not fire". It has serial numbers and I have of course registered it. Is this message on or with any one else's gun? I really want to shoot this gun. But I am concerned about the value or possible consequences of shooting it.
Old Bobby
01-05-2013, 12:38
On a post Script, it is a 9mm wolf ultra matic sv, I also received a sn***y trigger lock and a set of rubber grips. And was hardly given away through CDNN
Where on the frame is that stamped?
Mine shows nothing of the sort. I just had mine at the range a couple months ago.
Wow, that's two new GT members from this thread.
Very cool :cool:
Old Bobby
01-05-2013, 18:46
the Prototype stamp is right side of the pistol just above the wood grip. Same side intrac Knox TN which is more than likely the importer.
CDnn ad stated no warranty sold as collectable only , not to be fired. Fall Volume 2009-4 pg 7. full page ad for the Wolf Ultramatic. cost $ 399.99 + tax and shipping And of course juice money for the FFL holder @ 10%.
I think the do not shoot is for liability , no dealers, no longer a company that manufactures handguns, no spare or replacement parts.
cpl.mooney
01-05-2013, 19:53
No stamps on mine of that sort. Just the basic's everyone has. Sounds interesting though! Pictures by chance.
cpl.mooney
01-05-2013, 20:17
Looks great
They are very well built pistols. I look forward to your shooting impressions. I really love how precise the trigger feels. :cool:
Well I got out to the ranch today and shot the Ultramatic. I love the feel of the pistol in my hands. It looks great and is extremely accurate. That is when the pistol actually cycled. :crying:I was disappointed today. I have read where the Wolf is fairly unreliable but I was hoping mine was different. Nothing to get to upset about. The pistol is still a collector. If I need something that I can rely on everyday at work to cycle 100% every time I have my G-21 for that.
So, the problems are as follows. The Wolf would cycle every other round. The followup round wouldn't feed all the way up the ramp. Then I would try a different magazine and all 18 rounds would fire just fine. I would try a 10 round magazine and once again, a couple would fire, several wouldn't feed. I would try the same magazine again and it would be just fine. I also had several stovepipe malfunctions. Tomorrow I'm going to break out the dremel tool and do some polishing on the ramp, bolt face, etc...
Do you guys have any other suggestions. I would like it to be fairly reliable. Just so I can say, "Yes it shoots just fine" to my friends. There is no way I'm getting rid of it, to much fun to look at for that. When I cleaned it I used a fair amount of oil, dry barrel though as per the manual. I am going to make a video/photo slide show on the disassemble and cleaning procedure for the wolf. I'll post on youtube or something like that later. Wish there was a better more in depth manual on full disassemble of the bolt and firing pin housing. I am going to try a higher quality of ammo though. Does anyone have a good brand you use that maybe you have better luck with out of your wolf.
I am also thinking the magazine springs may be weak. From sitting for the last 13 years or so. And who knows how long the previous owners left the magazine loaded.
So, over all I love the pistol. Looks awesome, feels awesome. When it does cycle it shoots amazingly. Very high quality build. Wish there was more information online about them.
the Prototype stamp is right side of the pistol just above the wood grip. Same side intrac Knox TN which is more than likely the importer.
CDnn ad stated no warranty sold as collectable only , not to be fired. Fall Volume 2009-4 pg 7. full page ad for the Wolf Ultramatic. cost $ 399.99 + tax and shipping And of course juice money for the FFL holder @ 10%.
I think the do not shoot is for liability , no dealers, no longer a company that manufactures handguns, no spare or replacement parts.
Maybe that's how CDNN was selling them so cheap. I'm really not sure.
I don't think it has anything to do with liability. There are plenty of handguns sold in which the company is no longer in business. I own quite a few.
Well I got out to the ranch today and shot the Ultramatic. I love the feel of the pistol in my hands. It looks great and is extremely accurate. That is when the pistol actually cycled. :crying:I was disappointed today. I have read where the Wolf is fairly unreliable but I was hoping mine was different. Nothing to get to upset about. The pistol is still a collector. If I need something that I can rely on everyday at work to cycle 100% every time I have my G-21 for that.
So, the problems are as follows. The Wolf would cycle every other round. The followup round wouldn't feed all the way up the ramp. Then I would try a different magazine and all 18 rounds would fire just fine. I would try a 10 round magazine and once again, a couple would fire, several wouldn't feed. I would try the same magazine again and it would be just fine. I also had several stovepipe malfunctions. Tomorrow I'm going to break out the dremel tool and do some polishing on the ramp, bolt face, etc...
Do you guys have any other suggestions. I would like it to be fairly reliable. Just so I can say, "Yes it shoots just fine" to my friends. There is no way I'm getting rid of it, to much fun to look at for that. When I cleaned it I used a fair amount of oil, dry barrel though as per the manual. I am going to make a video/photo slide show on the disassemble and cleaning procedure for the wolf. I'll post on youtube or something like that later. Wish there was a better more in depth manual on full disassemble of the bolt and firing pin housing. I am going to try a higher quality of ammo though. Does anyone have a good brand you use that maybe you have better luck with out of your wolf.
I am also thinking the magazine springs may be weak. From sitting for the last 13 years or so. And who knows how long the previous owners left the magazine loaded.
So, over all I love the pistol. Looks awesome, feels awesome. When it does cycle it shoots amazingly. Very high quality build. Wish there was more information online about them.
Honestly, other than trying some new mag springs, I wouldn't mess with it. I experienced feeding problems with mine as well. Maybe not as bad as you're describing, but it certainly wasn't perfect.
They are what they are, basically curios at this point. They are very finely crafted pistols and a hell of a lot of fun to shoot or just look at. Its got one of the best triggers of any handgun I own. They were $2000 pistols back in the mid 1990's, but obviously the design proved to be flawed despite all the high quality parts and hand craftsmanship that went into it. I just find it incredibly interesting.
Old Bobby
01-07-2013, 12:54
Hi guys here are my pics of my Wolf Ultramatic.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=230231&stc=1&d=1357588227
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=230232&stc=1&d=1357588335
cpl.mooney
01-07-2013, 13:30
Very nice Old Bobby. I bet its hard to let it sit there tempting you with that prototype stamp on it! :-)
Old Bobby
01-07-2013, 15:22
Oh Yes, I want to shoot it Bad, a bit worried about my hand though I might need it.
Cpl Mooney, +loads . I like Tulammo Russian made Steel Case non corrosive and it is cheap. I use have used it in all my 9's for target. and my 762x39 AK. . Never had any malfunctions with the ammo. always cycled well. Its all hard ball still fun to shoot.
The manual I have is dated 1995, It says "the 1st thousand rounds due to tight machining tolerances use high pressure factory load ammunition. For the purpose of smoothing the moving parts only."
Might be just a matter of breaking it in I guess. At least you get to shoot yours! It's going on my bucket list on the last line, of "Things I will Do before I die".
Old Bobby
01-07-2013, 15:27
My Other Austrian Steel, Broomhandle Mauser c 96 I didn't hesitate to shoot and it's 100 years old.
Feeling unmanned by those 4 little words on the Wolf.
Feeling unmanned by those 4 little words on the Wolf.
I just can't see how CDNN was selling a different gun than the one I have. Of course, having those words stamped on the frames would explain why they were selling $2000 guns for a fifth of the price.
cpl.mooney
01-08-2013, 07:43
I just can't see how CDNN was selling a different gun than the one I have. Of course, having those words stamped on the frames would explain why they were selling $2000 guns for a fifth of the price.
Do you suppose that the stamp was something Wolf did when they went bust or something CDNN did when they were selling them? I paid $700 for mine, found it on the facebook classifieds in my home town. Luckiest find for me to this date. I know some people will mock me about paying $$$ for a pistol that isn't very reliable and the company is no longer available for parts or information. But you know what???? Chicken butt. I love it and will continue to love it until my daughter is old enough to have a collectors piece and safe of her own. Not to mention my wife loves it! Bonus there since she shoots an Kk. :cool:
That's about what I paid for mine as well.
As for the stamp, I'm really not sure what the deal was. :dunno:
There could be good reason they stamped some and not others. Some could be defective. Or, they all could be defective and some got out before they realized they had a problem. I'd hate to catch that bolt/slide/whatever in the teeth.
There could be good reason they stamped some and not others. Some could be defective. Or, they all could be defective and some got out before they realized they had a problem. I'd hate to catch that bolt/slide/whatever in the teeth.
It wasn't a reliable design, which is why it failed. However, they weren't defective from a safety standpoint. I imagine if CDNN sold one with the stamp, all the guns they sold had it. They were all the same price.
I believe it was just leftover stock.
It wasn't a reliable design, which is why it failed. However, they weren't defective from a safety standpoint. I imagine if CDNN sold one with the stamp, all the guns they sold had it. They were all the same price.
I believe it was just leftover stock.
I'm pretty sure CDNN had a notation in their add, at the time, that said what the stamp says. They sell lots of old stock, but that's the only one I remember seeing with that caveat.
I honestly don't know if it's a safety issue or not. Lots of people fire '03 Springfields with SN below 800K. The NRA specifically warns people not to do it. I'm glad mine is 900K.
If I owned one, I would either make a safe (no pun intended) queen or try to find out more about the specifics of the issue. Maybe CDNN can give you some info?
Yeah, I'm not sure. I never heard one claim or rumor that these guns were unsafe in any way. All I ever heard in any information about them is that they're high end, high quality pistols, that were extremely good shooters. I also heard the design's reliability is suspect. However, never anything about a safety issue with them.
It could just have been CDNN's way of selling a product they couldn't possibly stand behind, due to the company being out of business. :dunno:
Mine felt solid as a rock at the range. Its very soft shooting. The gun is built like a tank.
I'm pretty sure CDNN had a notation in their add, at the time, that said what the stamp says.
...which explains why they sold them so cheaply. They probably got them for next to nothing from the failing company and didn't want to have to deal with any problems with them.
The stamp pretty much fixed that.
I think that's what happened. That would make sense to me at least.
...which explains why they sold them so cheaply. They probably got them for next to nothing from the failing company and didn't want to have to deal with any problems with them.
The stamp pretty much fixed that.
I think that's what happened. That would make sense to me at least.
That makes sense, but it would have been better for them to note it on the receipt, or to have the buyer sign off somehow, rather than to stamp it on the gun itself. CDNN wouldn't owe anybody anything down the line if they had a paper on record showing that they original buyer was aware of it's flaws. To stamp it on the gun itself seems like it might be more safety oriented.
That makes sense, but it would have been better for them to note it on the receipt, or to have the buyer sign off somehow, rather than to stamp it on the gun itself. CDNN wouldn't owe anybody anything down the line if they had a paper on record showing that they original buyer was aware of it's flaws. To stamp it on the gun itself seems like it might be more safety oriented.
It was probably something to do with the company going under and sold them to CDNN cheap with the stamp as part of the agreement. They were going bankrupt and wanted to get rid of their inventory quick and easy without any future hassles.
While info on Wolf pistols isn't exactly plentiful, there is some out there. I never heard one thing about a safety issue. Usually something like that takes precedence over anything else you hear about a gun.
From what I've heard and can see for myself, they are a flawed design from a reliability standpoint, but are built from very high quality parts and shoot extremely well. Reliablity notwithstanding, they feel like a very high quality piece in hand.
I'm sure the other Wolf owners here will agree with that last sentence.
It was probably something to do with the company going under and sold them to CDNN cheap with the stamp as part of the agreement. They were going bankrupt and wanted to get rid of their inventory quick and easy without any future hassles.
While info on Wolf pistols isn't exactly plentiful, there is some out there. I never heard one thing about a safety issue. Usually something like that takes precedence over anything else you hear about a gun.
From what I've heard and can see for myself, they are a flawed design from a reliability standpoint, but are built from very high quality parts and shoot extremely well. Reliablity notwithstanding, they feel like a very high quality piece in hand.
I'm sure the other Wolf owners here will agree with that last sentence.
That makes sense. Kind of a "field expedient" from a business standpoint. It's better than hitting them with a chopsaw and selling them as "parts", but gets the importer/manufacturer off the hook from any implied warranty issues or ambulance chasers should someone put a round through their foot etc 30 years from now.
It's kind of like automotive performance parts sold "for off-road use only", yeah right.
That makes sense. Kind of a "field expedient" from a business standpoint. It's better than hitting them with a chopsaw and selling them as "parts", but gets the importer/manufacturer off the hook from any implied warranty issues or ambulance chasers should someone put a round through their foot etc 30 years from now.
It's kind of like automotive performance parts sold "for off-road use only", yeah right.
Exactly
If it were truly a safety issue with these guns, it would be known. As that would have surely been the reason the company and gun failed. I never heard anything negative about the gun other than its reliability. You usually here of other issues with small companies that come and go, such as D&D with the Bren Ten (frames cracking, no mags, etc). With the Wolf, all I ever heard is that it wasn't the most reliable gun and anyone paying $2000+ (in the mid 1990s, mind you) would have expected much better.
Believe me, if I bought a pistol for $2000 in the mid 1990's (or even today, for that matter), I would expect great reliability to go with great accuracy and high quality. In that sense, the Wolf didn't deliver and the gun and company failed. They were a very costly pistol to build and you can see why when you handle them. High production costs and angry customers aren't exactly a good recipe for success, especially for a small boutique company. However, I never heard a single word about the pistol being unsafe. I think they saw their fate and blew them out to CDNN with the stamp being part of the deal.
The quality of the Wolf pistol rivals any other auto I own. Its that good. However, for a high end gun to be successful, quality needs to equal reliability. The Wolf didn't deliver and the rest is history.
Go figure, I do a Google search for one of these and of course Brian has one.
Anyways, CDNN has them again.
Go figure, I do a Google search for one of these and of course Brian has one.
Anyways, CDNN has them again.
Not to drift too far off the thread, but how do you get CDNN info like that? They don't post their catalog online at this point due to supply problems and I miss browsing through stuff like you just posted. Do they snail-mail a paper copy of their catalog?
Go figure, I do a Google search for one of these and of course Brian has one.
Anyways, CDNN has them again.
The problem with the models sold from CDNN is that they're all stamped as non shooting prototypes. To me, that pretty much ruins the collectability factor they're advertising. I know I wouldn't buy one of those.
I'm not sure exactly what the deal was, but I had speculated in the above posts a few months back.
Not to drift too far off the thread, but how do you get CDNN info like that? They don't post their catalog online at this point due to supply problems and I miss browsing through stuff like you just posted. Do they snail-mail a paper copy of their catalog?
daily emails from them.
daily emails from them.
Thank you, I'll get signed up.
That suck's that they are stamped.
That suck's that they are stamped.
Yes it does, Don. Again, I really don't think they're any different from mine other than that.
It was a flawed design from a reliability standpoint, but they're very well built, high quality pistols. The trigger is amazingly precise and certainly one of the best non-1911 triggers I ever felt.
It's almost worth the $400 just to see the design up close. It's that cool. :)
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