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Tim151515
07-25-2012, 17:38
been looking at getting one for ccw...just dont wanna be labeled a mall ninja :whistling:

http://pictures.gunauction.com/4539074207/10604716/img_0746.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg

zackwatt
07-25-2012, 17:41
Are you sure that's not a pic of a can opener?

hogship
07-25-2012, 18:03
For less cost, you could just get an XDs and load up with one cartridge!

:supergrin:

ooc

bac1023
07-25-2012, 18:07
Those things go for some serious money these days.

bac1023
07-25-2012, 18:08
Are you sure that's not a pic of a can opener?

:rofl:

collim1
07-25-2012, 18:09
Oh how I want a Liberator! I have always wanted to handle one, just for history sake.

I hate to admit, but one of the replicas being produced right now is a serious consideration. The real Liberators are out of my price range and hard to find.

Tim151515
07-25-2012, 18:13
Oh how I want a Liberator! I have always wanted to handle one, just for history sake.

I hate to admit, but one of the replicas being produced right now is a serious consideration. The real Liberators are out of my price range and hard to find.

i know right. I saw one at a gun show and I said forget that. I know they are about "as useful as nipples on a man"(where the hell did I hear that????) but ill be damned if they just dont have a cool factor to them.

pokersamurai
07-25-2012, 18:17
If you would pay $1000-$2000 for a 70 year old gun that cost $2.40 to produce ($32 today), and only fires one .45 acp from an smooth bore barrel, and you are seriously considering carrying it for self defense, you need to have your head examined.:shocked:

Bruce M
07-25-2012, 18:25
I am quite certain that if you choose that as your carry gun you will not have to worry about the "mall ninja" label.

collim1
07-25-2012, 18:26
If you would pay $1000-$2000 for a 70 year old gun that cost $2.40 to produce ($32 today), and only fires one .45 acp from an smooth bore barrel, and you are seriously considering carrying it for self defense, you need to have your head examined.:shocked:

Dont think he's gonna carry it. Clearly was trying to start a conversation about a cool piece of American history.

One cool thing was how the US exaggerated the number of pistols dropped over enemy territory. The purpose was to make occupying enemy soldiers afraid to go to sleep.

ctfireman
07-25-2012, 18:40
I thought you were talking about the sex cushions!
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/09-10-2005/liberator.jpg

bac1023
07-25-2012, 18:44
If you would pay $1000-$2000 for a 70 year old gun that cost $2.40 to produce ($32 today), and only fires one .45 acp from an smooth bore barrel, and you are seriously considering carrying it for self defense, you need to have your head examined.:shocked:


Uh, I think the whole carry thing was a joke.

bac1023
07-25-2012, 18:45
I thought you were talking about the sex cushions!
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/09-10-2005/liberator.jpg

:rofl::rofl:

banger
07-25-2012, 18:49
I always carried a B-17 Flying Fortress...

The high wing on the Liberator made it too hard to carry IWB.:rofl:

zackwatt
07-25-2012, 18:54
I thought you were talking about the sex cushions!
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/09-10-2005/liberator.jpg

That really was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the thread title!

:supergrin:

Decguns
07-25-2012, 18:54
Those Liberator's will kill you. I prefer the Deer Gun...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Deer_Gun_-_Vietnam_Pistol.jpg

wirenut
07-25-2012, 19:38
Yep it will open a can right up if you are close enough and Guns and Ammo did a write up on those a month or so back. I think someone is making a reproduction of the liberator.

ctfireman
07-25-2012, 20:25
That really was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the thread title!

:supergrin:


Me too!

Glockdude1
07-25-2012, 23:28
I thought you were talking about the sex cushions!
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/09-10-2005/liberator.jpg

:rofl:

FLglockdude
07-26-2012, 00:23
That really was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the thread title!

:supergrin:

Me too :rofl:

Lior
07-26-2012, 00:50
Next time there are protests in Iran, we should donate a few Galaxy-loads of these things on little parachutes to the Iranian people.

CajunBass
07-26-2012, 02:02
If you would pay $1000-$2000 for a 70 year old gun that cost $2.40 to produce ($32 today), and only fires one .45 acp from an smooth bore barrel, and you are seriously considering carrying it for self defense, you need to have your head examined.:shocked:

Why? What's wrong with that?

ArtCrafter
07-26-2012, 02:11
Next time there are protests in Iran, we should donate a few Galaxy-loads of these things, each WITH ONLY ONE CARTRDIDGE, on little parachutes to the Iranian people.

FIFY :supergrin:

:wavey:

Lior
07-26-2012, 02:19
FIFY :supergrin:

:wavey:

Don't wish to be misunderstood Sir, I just think that the next time some Iranians want to overthrow their regime, they might want some hardware to help them.

ArtCrafter
07-26-2012, 02:27
Don't wish to be misunderstood Sir, I just think that the next time some Iranians want to overthrow their regime, they might want some hardware to help them.


Gotcha, Sir, I just think ONE CARTRIDGE PER IRANIAN is what you might call 'the New Math.'


HTH :wavey:

Bill Keith
07-26-2012, 03:43
Dude, get serious! If you leave home and forget your little stick, your SOL:faint:
It's a curiousity, I'd rather have a Hi-Point or a good Phoenix Raven(I do)!:wavey:

Nakanokalronin
07-26-2012, 05:59
MY LGS has the reproduction model that's been sitting in the case ever since they got it. It's as expensive as a well made full size firearm so I don't see the point unless someone wants one badly enough for display without buying an original. For re-sale sake, it would be wiser to buy an original because nobody is going to want to give you big bucks for a repo once the neat factor wears off.

They were made to be cheap and work well enough for someone to obtain a real gun with. I would honestly rather buy a Hi-Point (or nothing) and save myself quite a few hundred dollars in the process.

ithaca_deerslayer
07-26-2012, 06:08
August 2012 American Rifleman has an article on them. Says in factory testing none could be safely fired past 50 rounds. And sometimes the seams split after 10 rounds.

Cool :)

Glockdude1
07-26-2012, 07:04
http://vintageordnance.homestead.com/

http://vintageordnance.homestead.com/Liberator.html

$619

Nakanokalronin
07-26-2012, 10:10
http://vintageordnance.homestead.com/

http://vintageordnance.homestead.com/Liberator.html

$619

That's about the price my LGS wants for the one they have. Way to much unless it's for a WWII display.

fnfalman
07-26-2012, 10:12
If the Liberator were good enough for the back of Nazi's head back in the days, then why can't it be good enough for the back of neo Nazi's head nowadays?

SigFTW
07-26-2012, 12:43
The Liberator is nothing more than a factory made Zip gun.

mixflip
07-26-2012, 13:05
If that little gun cant beat my G26 then I dont the point of putting myself at a disadvantage in a self defense situation?

GIockGuy24
07-26-2012, 18:38
I bought an original one in the 1980's. Not a number anywhere on it. Fired about two rounds. Some mild standard pressure 230 grain FMJ loads. Around the second shot the action fell open. It was put away after that.

bernie herd
07-26-2012, 20:30
:rofl::rofl::rofl:For less cost, you could just get an XDs and load up with one cartridge!

:supergrin:

ooc

You guys make me laugh and smile every night!!!

Angry Fist
07-26-2012, 20:49
http://allthingslosgatos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/KnuckledusterZipGun-01.jpg

Berto
07-26-2012, 21:33
http://images.moviepostershop.com/zip-gun-angels-movie-poster-9999-1020429491.jpg

GTS197
07-26-2012, 21:36
My father has an original (minus the dowel rod extractor). Once of these days, it'll be mine :)

Jbar4Ranch
07-26-2012, 21:59
I did a short report on one of mine a few years back, and just found it with a google search.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192440

cowboy1964
07-27-2012, 15:48
I can't imagine how badly that thing stings your hand.

Berto
07-27-2012, 18:17
I did a short report on one of mine a few years back, and just found it with a google search.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192440

Great write-up. That's really the only one I've seen.

Paul53
07-27-2012, 19:09
Saw one at gun show 2 weeks ago. Don't think any one human could supply enough body parts to get it away from the owner. Didn't look quite as nice as the one pictured.

From the looks of it I could solder a piece of aluminum tubing to a sardine can and have my own. They're only meant to fire once or twice, and I can pretty much promise it would kill somebody!

Probably cause some brass to forehead issues, though.

ithaca_deerslayer
07-27-2012, 20:13
I did a short report on one of mine a few years back, and just found it with a google search.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192440

Interesting, and great job testing one out :)

I'm curious where you got the information that protocol was for a resistance fighter to test out point of aim with 5 rounds.

That doesn't make any sense to me. Was it in the instructions? I haven't seen it in the ones I've seen, so I don't know how that idea would have been conveyed to them.

Hard to believe they made these things and then junked them in the ocean. You'd think they would have made a little better gun, make half as many, or a quarter as many. But make something a little better.

Jbar4Ranch
07-27-2012, 20:33
I believe it may have been in Ralph Hagan's book...? It makes sense, as it was very likely meant to be a one shot proposition, but was shipped with ten rounds.

The instructions are in picture form with no words, but common sense would dictate checking point of impact, if at all possible. One round, two rounds, seven rounds, whatever, as long as there were one or two left to use when it counted.

It was meant to serve a dual purpose as a psyops tactic and a practical weapon that could be mass produced for virtually nothing and in very large quantities - over a million were produced in less than three months. As a psyops weapon, the Germans would find as many as everyone else and paranoia would grow, knowing that anyone they encountered could potentially be armed.

The war ended before any Liberators could be deployed as intended, but some were definitely issued to police in the Phillipines at the war's end, as there was nothing else readily available.

ithaca_deerslayer
07-27-2012, 21:33
I believe it may have been in Ralph Hagan's book...? It makes sense, as it was very likely meant to be a one shot proposition, but was shipped with ten rounds.

The instructions are in picture form with no words, but common sense would dictate checking point of impact, if at all possible. One round, two rounds, seven rounds, whatever, as long as there were one or two left to use when it counted.
.

Right, the instructions just show how to fire it.

I'm gonna argue not against you personally, but against the concept of each person testing these out :)

People who could have gotten their hands on them were not as pistol familiar as you and me. 5 shots would not have given them much point of aim info. The shots would have benn flinched into a shotgun pattern. They might not have even thought to have had paper targets to know where to the shots hit.

And target practise might have been risky anyway, with fear of being found out.

At most, some local expert would have tested one gun, and then told the others how to shoot it in actual combative resistance efforts against the bad guys.

The guns would naturally be expected to all shoot to a similar point of aim. The guns were not going to be safely tested.

So whoever designed and made these things, in my opinion (not worth much), would have had that perspective in mind.

My real interest is in how the government makes and implements decisions. This is an interesting example for sure :)

glock2740
07-27-2012, 22:18
been looking at getting one for ccw...just dont wanna be labeled a mall ninja :whistling:

http://pictures.gunauction.com/4539074207/10604716/img_0746.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg

Are you sure that's not a pic of a can opener?
:rofl:

hogship
07-27-2012, 22:31
Right, the instructions just show how to fire it.

I'm gonna argue not against you personally, but against the concept of each person testing these out :)

People who could have gotten their hands on them were not as pistol familiar as you and me. 5 shots would not have given them much point of aim info. The shots would have benn flinched into a shotgun pattern. They might not have even thought to have had paper targets to know where to the shots hit.

And target practise might have been risky anyway, with fear of being found out.

At most, some local expert would have tested one gun, and then told the others how to shoot it in actual combative resistance efforts against the bad guys.

The guns would naturally be expected to all shoot to a similar point of aim. The guns were not going to be safely tested.

So whoever designed and made these things, in my opinion (not worth much), would have had that perspective in mind.

My real interest is in how the government makes and implements decisions. This is an interesting example for sure :)

The Liberator had sights, but that's only because it couldn't be ruled out that a situation where sights might need to be used wouldn't be necessary.......

It was primarily designed to be used up close and personal......like, within a few inches!........:supergrin:

ooc

MrMurphy
07-28-2012, 04:00
Agreed. I think some did get dropped in France, but not as many as they'd have liked.

Considering all the other ordnance we were dropping to resistance groups over there (and had been since 1939 through the Brits)......lot of stuff laying around.

I handled an original Liberator in 1998 or 1999, and let's just say it'd never be a speed-reload....... it's more or less made for a one shot proposition, rammed into a guy's back or head. As a 'gun to get a bigger gun' I guess it fulfilled the design criteria.