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Flintlocker
07-25-2012, 21:44
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57480081-503544/romney-claims-many-aurora-weapons-were-illegal/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

callihan_44
07-26-2012, 05:03
ive heard more than one person make the statement that he shouldnt have been able to get guns...what in his past pointed to that?

series1811
07-26-2012, 06:33
He killed 14 people. He appears to be mentally ill. Romney says he shouldn't have had access to guns.

Does that give you a warm fuzzy or something?

You need to worry about your train wreck of a President and how you are going to cover up his record more than trying to convince us that Romney could be worse.

My mechanic couldn't be worse than Obama.

Cavalry Doc
07-26-2012, 06:38
Hindsight is 20/20. I agree this P.O.S. should not have had any weapons either.

Pandoras box has been opened, the guns are out there, the solution cannot be to limit legal ownership, but to encourage it. Anything else is a surrender.

eracer
07-26-2012, 06:43
Hindsight is 20/20. I agree this P.O.S. should not have had any weapons either.

Pandoras box has been opened, the guns are out there, the solution cannot be to limit legal ownership, but to encourage it. Anything else is a surrender.Very well said.

However, to me there is a place for drastically increasing our efforts to identify and incarcerate mentally ill people who exhibit sociopathic and/or severely delusional beliefs involving violent thoughts, the same way we do for dangerous felons. We don't need to restrict their gun rights. Just their right to exist in free society.

Yes, I believe we need 'Thought Police.'

ChuteTheMall
07-26-2012, 06:49
He shouldn't have been paid something like $26,000.00 per year of my tax money as a federal grant.
He's a welfare bum, he didn't earn that.

series1811
07-26-2012, 06:50
Hindsight is 20/20. I agree this P.O.S. should not have had any weapons either.

Pandoras box has been opened, the guns are out there, the solution cannot be to limit legal ownership, but to encourage it. Anything else is a surrender.

Our country has a very unique history. The people who came here, who had the gumption to take on an untamed country, or who survived and thrived, after being forced to do it, for the most part, were a very different breed. And, we, their offspring, are a very different breed, for the most part, as well.

Guns were part of what made this country possible. You can't divorce the US from that part of its history or heritage.

Car wrecks kill around 50,000 people a year, on average in the USA. I am much more worried about a drunk or texting teenager coming across the center line and nailing me, than I am about anybody with a gun doing it.

RC-RAMIE
07-26-2012, 07:16
Very well said.

However, to me there is a place for drastically increasing our efforts to identify and incarcerate mentally ill people who exhibit sociopathic and/or severely delusional beliefs involving violent thoughts, the same way we do for dangerous felons. We don't need to restrict their gun rights. Just their right to exist in free society.

Yes, I believe we need 'Thought Police.'

So remove people from society before they do bad things? A lot of people with delusional beliefs involving violent thoughts never hurt or commit crimes.

What was the early warning sign here stocking up on guns and ammo? I know a lot of people that would fall under suspicion.


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jph02
07-26-2012, 08:02
"Rmoney"...our money; that's what he's after. His record as Massachussetts governor tells us his plan. Obamacare is modeled on Romneycare and he favors "assault weapon" bans. To say Holmes' weapons were obtained illegally shows a lack of due diligence on his part and/or the part of his staffers. :shakehead:

TheJ
07-26-2012, 08:34
Hindsight is 20/20. I agree this P.O.S. should not have had any weapons either.

Pandoras box has been opened, the guns are out there, the solution cannot be to limit legal ownership, but to encourage it. Anything else is a surrender.
Well said.
Very well said.

However, to me there is a place for drastically increasing our efforts to identify and incarcerate mentally ill people who exhibit sociopathic and/or severely delusional beliefs involving violent thoughts, the same way we do for dangerous felons. We don't need to restrict their gun rights. Just their right to exist in free society.

Yes, I believe we need 'Thought Police.'

I think this is where the conversation should be.

eracer
07-26-2012, 08:48
So remove people from society before they do bad things? A lot of people with delusional beliefs involving violent thoughts never hurt or commit crimes.

What was the early warning sign here stocking up on guns and ammo? I know a lot of people that would fall under suspicion.


....I know that it's a very slippery slope, one fraught with ethical challenges.

But the fact remains that there are mentally ill people who commit mass murder, and if those people can be identified and segregated from society, we would be safer.

And I'm not saying we should leave it up to the government to decide who fits the criteria. Highly trained professionals in a specialized branch of abnormal psychiatry have the power to commit individuals right now.

The problem is that the reporting mechanism is incomplete, or broken. We need better ways to identify the very small subset of mentally deranged people who exhibit signs that they are planning to commit a horrific crime like those in Columbine, VT, Aurora, and other places, and place those people firmly under the authority of the specialists trained to deal with them.

We still have the problem of identifying 'Evil.' But I believe neuro-scientists are making great strides in that direction.

How ironic that the coward in Aurora was working in a field that may ultimately neutralize the threat from people like him.

All of this is speculative, but it's the focus we need to have as a society that seems to want to blame guns, and videogames, and stress - everything but the deranged individual himself.

ChuteTheMall
07-26-2012, 08:53
Obama's trolls are dishonest.

Relying on CBS (Dan Rathergate's fake memo) to report on an NBC (exploding trucks needed detonators) interview and missing the rest of the story:

"Well this person shouldn't have had any kind of weapons and bombs and other devices and it was illegal for him to have many of those things already," Romney said. "But he had them. And so we can sometimes hope that just changing the law will make all bad things go away. It won't. Changing the heart of the American people may well be what's essential, to improve the lots of the American people."

What else does Obama's media have to say?
The bombs and other explosive devices set as booby traps in alleged shooter James Holmes' apartment appear not to have been legal, but they were not used in the initial attack and did not cause fatalities.
Well, then it looks like the illegal bombs and booby traps don't matter to Obama's trolls in the media, because they failed.

Gary W Trott
07-26-2012, 08:56
Freedom isn't Safe.

whoflungdo
07-26-2012, 09:00
Very well said.

However, to me there is a place for drastically increasing our efforts to identify and incarcerate mentally ill people who exhibit sociopathic and/or severely delusional beliefs involving violent thoughts, the same way we do for dangerous felons. We don't need to restrict their gun rights. Just their right to exist in free society.

Yes, I believe we need 'Thought Police.'

You cannot incarcerate someone for their beliefs and thoughts.

TheJ
07-26-2012, 09:32
Freedom isn't Safe.
Truth
You cannot incarcerate someone for their beliefs and thoughts.

I think we already do.

nmk
07-26-2012, 09:34
He shouldn't have been paid something like $26,000.00 per year of my tax money as a federal grant.
He's a welfare bum, he didn't earn that.

You think research fellowships are welfare?

PocketProtector
07-26-2012, 09:34
You cannot incarcerate someone for their beliefs and thoughts.

Not yet.....but DHS is working on all kinds of technologies to do exactly that.