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Osborne
07-26-2012, 09:05
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-urges-tighter-background-checks-gun-buyers-aurora-033815400.html

DonD
07-26-2012, 09:16
As usual, the left wants to invoke the image of the LA shootings where illegal, fully auto AKs were used by felons.

The public thinks what we know as semi auto AK-47s are fully auto and that anyone can just waltz into a gunshop and walk out with a fully auto assault rifle. In the case of a fully auto AK, the usually misused term assault rifle is correct. Don

CarryTexas
07-26-2012, 09:24
Shhhhhh!!!! :innocent:

You know Obama has said he doesn't support gun control!

:rofl:

Metal Angel
07-26-2012, 09:26
As usual, the left wants to invoke the image of the LA shootings where illegal, fully auto AKs were used by felons.

The public thinks what we know as semi auto AK-47s are fully auto and that anyone can just waltz into a gunshop and walk out with a fully auto assault rifle. In the case of a fully auto AK, the usually misused term assault rifle is correct. Don

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with the idea of being able to waltz into a gunshop and come out with a full auto rifle. I have never fired one, but I imagine they walk all over the place when holding down the trigger. Seems like a mass murderer would get the same kill count with an auto, and just waste more bullets, unless he had some formal training, which they usually don't.

ricklee4570
07-26-2012, 09:27
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/obama-talks-limiting-some-gun-use-in-wake-colorado-massacre/

Romney is on the side of gun owners on this one.

brisk21
07-26-2012, 09:29
Well yeah, the AK is what all of Obamas buddies are using over in the sandbox.

Lior
07-26-2012, 09:41
The sword, the AK47 and all the other terrible implements of soldiers that are used on the battlefield are the birthright of American citizens, so this misguided gentleman sitting in the White House can put that in his joint and smoke it.

I'm surprised that the civilian industry didn't have to develop a name such as AKA7 like they did for the M1A to differentiate the semi from the real thing.

IrishRifles
07-26-2012, 11:06
There it is!
The real true Obama and what his plans are for the 2nd amendment.
This is why people by the thousands flock to buy guns after a tradegy like in Colorado.
More people have gone out and bought firearms and women in particular getting CCW licenses under this president than ever!
He's going to take our rights away once again.
This is the hint of the new Brady Bill he will put in place if he gets in again.
FBI statistics proved the Brady Bill did nothing to reduce gun crime or murders in the US.
What does the AK-47 have to do with anything?
The shoother in Colorado did not have an AK-47.
Its a SEMI-automatic rifle like any other semi auto, not fully-auto and military issue as almost all articles are suggesting.
What hypocrisy, after the botched Fast And Furious Operation where he and his people got a US border agent and thousands of Mexican citizens killed, all just so he could pass another gun law as he did in the southern border states.
He has balls to talk about passing stricter gun laws after that disgrace.
Dope smoking "Barry" should be inputting stricter laws on the wide spread abuse of medical marijuana rather than taking our rights away.
I hope to God Obama may have just put the last nail in his coffin for getting re-relected.

sheriff733
07-26-2012, 11:19
There it is!
The real true Obama and what his plans are for the 2nd amendment.
This is why people by the thousands flock to buy guns after a tradegy like in Colorado.
More people have gone out and bought firearms and women in particular getting CCW licenses under this president than ever!
He's going to take our rights away once again.
This is the hint of the new Brady Bill he will put in place if he gets in again.
FBI statistics proved the Brady Bill did nothing to reduce gun crime or murders in the US.
What does the AK-47 have to do with anything?
The shoother in Colorado did not have an AK-47.
Its a SEMI-automatic rifle like any other semi auto, not fully-auto and military issue as almost all articles are suggesting.
What hypocrisy, after the botched Fast And Furious Operation where he and his people got a US border agent and thousands of Mexican citizens killed, all just so he could pass another gun law as he did in the southern border states.
He has balls to talk about passing stricter gun laws after that disgrace.
Dope smoking "Barry" should be inputting stricter laws on the wide spread abuse of medical marijuana rather than taking our rights away.
I hope to God Obama may have just put the last nail in his coffin for getting re-relected.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is anything he can say that will keep him from being reelected.

Those that love him could care less about rights. Much less gun rights.


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arclight610
07-26-2012, 11:25
No civilian should have access to AK15's

CourtCop
07-26-2012, 11:36
No civilian should have access to AK15's

Or 40mm Glocks.

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AZ Cat
07-26-2012, 11:40
Unfortunately the gun lobby focuses too much of its efforts on bashing Obama and other liberals and screaming "2nd Amendment" and not enough time educating the general public about firearms. Between Obama, O'Reilly and other gov't and media members I've heard a lot of misinformation spewed in the media since the CO shootings. But I haven't heard anyone from, say, the NRA publicly explain the facts. Most non-gun owners, and even some gun owners, have no idea that civilian versions of AK-47s or AR-15s are semi auto or, if they are full auto, they are heavily regulated.

Like so many other issues in this country we need more education and frank discussion and less politicking...

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RMTactical
07-26-2012, 12:18
Wait, I had some fellas on here telling me several times over the past few years that the NRA was full of crap when they said Obama wanted to take away guns... Now I'm confused (not really though)...

The loonies on the left want to take away all of our guns, not just AK-47's. They want your CCW pistol, your hunting rifles (sniper rifles to them), etc... they do not want you to own weapons that could be used to fight for freedom or self defense.

The UN gun treaty is being voted on tomorrow and it would essentially disarm the American people.

Gun control is not about guns, it is about control.

CarryTexas
07-26-2012, 12:23
Wait, I had some fellas on here telling me several times over the past few years that the NRA was full of crap when they said Obama wanted to take away guns... Now I'm confused (not really though)...

The loonies on the left want to take away all of our guns, not just AK-47's. They want your CCW pistol, your hunting rifles (sniper rifles to them), etc... they do not want you to own weapons that could be used to fight for freedom by civilians.

The UN gun treaty is being voted on tomorrow and it would essentially disarm the American people.

Gun control is not about guns, it is about control.

:patriot:

cowboy1964
07-26-2012, 14:01
Sorry, but why is he talking about it at all unless he is proposing new legislation? Does he not have better things to do? Like fixing the bloody economy?

janice6
07-26-2012, 14:08
Sorry, but why is he talking about it at all unless he is proposing new legislation? Does he not have better things to do? Like fixing the bloody economy?


He can't fix anything. He has no experience in business and politics (voted present), and he has only socialist liberals feeding him information. This is the dumbest administration.

He has no intent of making things better for the public, just making things better for himself. You and I don't count.

scccdoc
07-26-2012, 14:09
Yeah, most Muslims have AK's on the battlefield. Good call Mr Prez

Decguns
07-26-2012, 14:09
I just had an anti gunner tell me today the founding fathers could have never imagined "assault rifles" back when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. They would have never agreed to people having weapons of mass murder.

I had to explain that back when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, anyone could own cannons, hand grenades and explosive rockets ("rockets red glare"). To name a few of the toys avilable at the time. I think they understood what they were doing when writing the 2nd.

eracer
07-26-2012, 14:10
That theater was a battlefield. Too bad only the enemy was allowed to have guns in it.

Baba Louie
07-26-2012, 14:11
Thousands of Mexican drug cartel members buy them cheap and stack them deep from US gun stores, and they know and use their fully automatic US provided weaponry down thataway in fast and furious battlefield action. Where these evil implements of death and destruction are KING! Just like we do here in the US inner cities.

Or so some would have everyone without a brain to believe.

How soon will prices begin the climb to spike? By 5:00p.m. eastern time today or will it wait until Friday morning?

ReyFufuRulesAll
07-26-2012, 14:14
That theater was a battlefield. Too bad only the enemy was allowed to have guns in it.

damn right. :thumbsup:




:50cal:

IrishRifles
07-26-2012, 14:20
Unfortunately the gun lobby focuses too much of its efforts on bashing Obama and other liberals and screaming "2nd Amendment" and not enough time educating the general public about firearms. Between Obama, O'Reilly and other gov't and media members I've heard a lot of misinformation spewed in the media since the CO shootings. But I haven't heard anyone from, say, the NRA publicly explain the facts. Most non-gun owners, and even some gun owners, have no idea that civilian versions of AK-47s or AR-15s are semi auto or, if they are full auto, they are heavily regulated.

Like so many other issues in this country we need more education and frank discussion and less politicking...

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I have but the liberal media is totally disingenuous in reporting on it.
Only the bad points is all they want you to know about.
The fact that they are calling the guns "military weapons" proves they are trying to agitate and over dramatize the details. Fox can't cover it all and they are about the only ones that will try to report on it in a fair and balanced way. Forget about the others, they will never show the truth of the facts even if Wayne Lapierre himself got on and showed it to them on oak tag, which is basically what he has to do to get the facts across. No matter what, you will never win on gun control when it comes to the liberal American media. Its us against them.

And don't forget....
Obama's not talking about JUST The AK-47, he knows what he's doing.
He wants to ban ALL semi-auto rifles of every make regardless if it has or hasn't got a bayonet lug, pistol grip or folding stock. Only the Kool-Aid drinkers can't see that.

samurairabbi
07-26-2012, 14:21
No civilian should have access to AK15's
... or the heinous AR47's!

Funny that he didn't mention the AR-15 in his soundbite. Perhaps "Buy American" considerations worked their way into his speechwriters' thinking.

writwing
07-26-2012, 14:51
No civilian should have access to AK15's

Nor should they have access to steak knives. :upeyes:

writwing
07-26-2012, 14:52
That theater was a battlefield. Too bad only the enemy was allowed to have guns in it.

Sounds like the way the US wages war now a days don't it??

samurairabbi
07-26-2012, 15:09
Nor should they have access to steak knives. :upeyes:

Aw c'mon! Steak knives DO have valid and productive uses in civilian society!

On the other hand, those damn Ginsu knives have no redeeming social virtues!

:whistling:

The_Gun_Guru
07-26-2012, 15:13
He's right....because that is exactly where he is taking this country!!!

Most major cities are already battlefields anyway, so what's the difference?:steamed:


NObama is part of the problem!!!:wavey:


TGG

whoops dude
07-26-2012, 15:56
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/obama-talks-limiting-some-gun-use-in-wake-colorado-massacre/

Romney is on the side of gun owners on this one.I take romney's words with a truck load of salt when it comes to gun issues. Look what he did and said as governor of Massachusetts.

cowboywannabe
07-26-2012, 16:25
Obama: AK-47s 'belong on the battlefield'

he should know, he represents chicago after all.

tcruse
07-26-2012, 17:55
I just had an anti gunner tell me today the founding fathers could have never imagined "assault rifles" back when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. They would have never agreed to people having weapons of mass murder.

I had to explain that back when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, anyone could own cannons, hand grenades and explosive rockets ("rockets red glare"). To name a few of the toys avilable at the time. I think they understood what they were doing when writing the 2nd.
I think we are making a mistake to acknowledge that the Semi-automatic AR15 or AK style sport/target guns met that description. We should respond what are you talking about, my AR-15 is my target rifle or my shooting league rifle.

I really think that Full Auto should also be unregulated, but we must take our rights back in baby steps sometimes. I just to not want to loose any ground!

Just like we should not refer to a light trigger as a "hair trigger" but as maybe a competition trigger.

Thoughts?

Deaf Smith
07-26-2012, 20:28
Shhhhhh!!!! :innocent:

You know Obama has said he doesn't support gun control!

:rofl:

Why he doesn't! He just supports simi-gun control. He wants to control the guns he does not like (as of today) that look baaaaddd. Now tomorrow the list might change

Say they ban all guns holding more than 10 rounds

3 years later some nutjob uses a couple of 10 shot rifles and shotguns to kill a bunch of people in a 'no self-defense' zone (aka gun-free zone.)

Ok, then they will ban 10 shot guns and everyone will have just 5 shot pistols, rifles, and shotguns.

six years later anther nutjob goes off his rocker and kills a bunch of more in the you-know-what free zones.

So they ban all but single shots. Then... aw well you see where this is going. Britain all over again.

Meanwhile the naro-terrorst in Mexico will be dong all kinds of depredations along the border but the Democrats don't want to loose their illegal alien votes (thanks to the prohibition of voter id laws.) And the Muslim terrorist will have all the middle east oil while 'green' energy flops here.

If this sounds like fantasy then you must be a liberal who thinks Disney Land is reality.

Deaf

C-Dog
07-26-2012, 20:46
The fact is that criminals will continue shootings whether they buy a gun from a store or underground source. The continuation of sales to the public allows law abiding citizens to provide protection for themselves and their loved ones....

But that's all stuff I'm sure all of you know already :supergrin:

professorpinki
07-27-2012, 08:00
Most major cities are already battlefields anyway, so what's the difference?
Er, care to explain how any American city compares to Afghanistan?

Andrewsky
07-27-2012, 08:30
Er, care to explain how any American city compares to Afghanistan?

There are a lot more burglaries and home invasions here.

Gary1911A1
07-27-2012, 08:34
Unfortunately, I don't think there is anything he can say that will keep him from being reelected.

Those that love him could care less about rights. Much less gun rights.


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I fear you may be right. Hard to believe there are so many "useful idiots" in the USA.

lashlaruhe
07-27-2012, 08:59
He is no different than anyother liberal, socialist dimocrat, blame anything other than making a person have any responsibility for their own actions.
All gun restriction on guns in our country have been given to us by the dimocrat party, ever since JFK was assinated. BTW, that is our fault also, according to the libs.

Vote them all out and let them go live in China, or anyother socialist communist country of their choice as paradice.

MarcDW
07-27-2012, 09:54
Mr. Obama properly mend the AK47 Mr. Holder sells! :steamed:

vikingsoftpaw
07-27-2012, 10:08
Teleprompters belong in the news studio.

faawrenchbndr
07-27-2012, 10:15
Er, care to explain how any American city compares to Afghanistan?

You don't like in a big city, huh? :dunno:

Take a trip to SE Chicago, Detroit, Miami, E St Louis......then get back with me.

professorpinki
07-27-2012, 10:41
Yeah, you're right guys. Totally forgot about that one time in DC where the local Mullah said I had to vote one way or I'd get beheaded, and the other time in Boston where an IED blew up the car in front of me, and that time in NYC where my buddies bodies were hung off a bridge because they were trying to do a job.

My bad, just didn't want to bring up those repressed memories of times like when I was in Miami and they shot down that news helicopter and dragged their bodies through the streets.

DonD
07-27-2012, 11:30
Honestly, I see nothing wrong with the idea of being able to waltz into a gunshop and come out with a full auto rifle.

I'm not disagreeing with you, however I do believe in background checks. I have no desire to see more felons have access to weapons of any kind and I do think these background checks should be such that people with dangerous mental issues should be screened out. Had that been in place Choi or whatever his name is in VA Tech and Loughner in AZ couldn't have legally purchased any firearm. Don

C-Dog
07-27-2012, 12:13
I think we are making a mistake to acknowledge that the Semi-automatic AR15 or AK style sport/target guns met that description. We should respond what are you talking about, my AR-15 is my target rifle or my shooting league rifle.
I really think that Full Auto should also be unregulated, but we must take our rights back in baby steps sometimes. I just to not want to loose any ground!
Just like we should not refer to a light trigger as a "hair trigger" but as maybe a competition trigger.
Thoughts?

You make very valid points which I AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM!!!
Honestly, the NRA is our strongest force at protecting and restoring our 2nd amendment rights... Which is why we need to continue supporting them.

The_Gun_Guru
07-27-2012, 12:58
Er, care to explain how any American city compares to Afghanistan?

:rofl:

Dude, STOP! You're killing me!!! :rofl:


Ever been to Miami?


Obviously NOT!

Let me put it this way:

I live in Fort Lauderdale (born and raised....seen it go downhill because of minorities!) and I do NOT go "South of the Border" without at least TWO GUNS on me and one in the car!!!


It's THAT bad!

Come for a visit sometime.....but bring guns!:wavey:


TGG

Jade Falcon
07-27-2012, 15:49
God, I "despise" this president with every fiber of my tired, American body.

EDIT: Did everyone hear all the clapping and applauding when he was discussing this? "AK-47's belong on the battlefield..." *pause/applause*. That applause scares me more than anything else.

Deaf Smith
07-27-2012, 16:01
Just a thought...

Tell them yes the AK belongs on the battlefield but the battlefield may be to take back our government if it ever gets tyrannical. And thus the AK is something needed by civilians.

Deaf

volsbear
07-27-2012, 17:54
Just a thought...

Tell them yes the AK belongs on the battlefield but the battlefield may be to take back our government if it ever gets tyrannical. And thus the AK is something needed by civilians.

Deaf

...and that many of our urban neighborhoods are battlefields in and of themselves.


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IrishRifles
07-27-2012, 18:24
mr. Obama properly mend the ak47 mr. Holder sells! :steamed:
Zing!

NEOH212
07-28-2012, 02:31
Obama: AK-47s 'belong on the battlefield'

And Commies belong in Russia and China.

Go home! :steamed:

barth
07-28-2012, 06:54
Nor should they have access to steak knives. :upeyes:

Wasn't the Oklahoma bombing from fertilizer?
The Psychos room was full of explosives.
He could have left a jacket bomb in the theater
and done more damage than with guns.

And what about the theater having a disarm for easier killing policy?

jakebrake
07-28-2012, 07:05
No civilian should have access to AK15's

how about an 88 magnum?

Novocaine
07-28-2012, 12:40
The sword, the AK47 and all the other terrible implements of soldiers that are used on the battlefield are the birthright of American citizens Including H-bomb?

I'm surprised that the civilian industry didn't have to develop a name such as AKA7 like they did for the M1A to differentiate the semi from the real thing.

AK47 would be perfect. The real thing is called AK. Then again it would require most experts out there to actually know what the weapon is actually called.

professorpinki
07-28-2012, 12:56
:rofl:

Dude, STOP! You're killing me!!! :rofl:


Ever been to Miami?


Obviously NOT!

Let me put it this way:

I live in Fort Lauderdale (born and raised....seen it go downhill because of minorities!) and I do NOT go "South of the Border" without at least TWO GUNS on me and one in the car!!!


It's THAT bad!

Come for a visit sometime.....but bring guns!:wavey:


TGG

Have been to Miami. Have spent a good chunk of time in Boston and DC, have spent a bit of time in NYC.

None of that compares to when I was in Quito or elsewhere that I've been as a civilian.

And that still pales in comparison to Afghanistan or Iraq...

oldnoob
07-28-2012, 13:18
http://www.nfasales.com/Gun%20Cartoons/AK47%20Guide.jpg

jb1911
07-28-2012, 17:58
Obama belongs on the battle field. Our commander in chief.

http://socialismisnottheanswer.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/presidents-in-uniform.jpg

poodleplumber
07-28-2012, 18:51
This may generate some heat, but if I could be assured that incidents of mass casualties could be thus eliminated, I would be willing to give up access to semi-automatic rifles.

The word "if" is one of the most important words in the English language, though. A person of evil intent can use a shotgun or a handgun, or more importantly, explosives made from common chemicals, caustic chemicals, knives, axes, the omnipresent automobile, or a myriad of other tools to cause the carnage and grief that they desire. There is simply no way to disarm someone of evil intent, rendering the disarming those of good intent pointless.

samurairabbi
07-28-2012, 19:09
This may generate some heat, but if I could be assured that incidents of mass casualties could be thus eliminated, I would be willing to give up access to semi-automatic rifles.
There is a subtle, yet major, contradiction in this statement. You would be willing to give up LEGAL access to semi-automatic rifles. The only way to stop those with ILLEGAL access to the same items would be to suspend most individual rights we cherish in this country, as much of the world already does. Reducing LEGAL access without reducing ILLEGAL access would actually shift the balance toward MORE mass casualty incidents, not LESS.

modestglock26
07-28-2012, 19:20
Holy crap you guys actually own guns?!?

I thought this was a role play website. I was just pretending to own guns to rank up and maybe unlock an achievement or something.

samurairabbi
07-28-2012, 19:25
Holy crap you guys actually own guns?!?

I thought this was a role play website. I was just pretending to own guns to rank up and maybe unlock an achievement or something.

Fooled you for a full six years! Damn we're good!

modestglock26
07-28-2012, 19:32
Fooled you for a full six years! Damn we're good!

Man, I feel so violated. I really thought the Internet was a gun free zone. Shocked and appalled.

samurairabbi
07-28-2012, 19:53
Man, I feel so violated. I really thought the Internet was a gun free zone. Shocked and appalled.
For a reasonable fee, we can restore you to a vaguely pre-violation/unshocked/minimally-appalled status.

I take paypal; no additional fee charges.

RedsoxFan4Lyfe
07-28-2012, 23:22
I believe the exact quote was "I think that most gun owners would agree that AK47's don't belong in the hands of criminals."

Well, yes I most certainly DO agree. I am not a criminal. No one that I know who owns an AK style rifle is a criminal either.

So what now? Criminals are going to get anything they want anyway. Period. That's why they are criminals.

janice6
07-28-2012, 23:37
I believe the exact quote was "I think that most gun owners would agree that AK47's don't belong in the hands of criminals."

Well, yes I most certainly DO agree. I am not a criminal. No one that I know who owns an AK style rifle is a criminal either.

So what now? Criminals are going to get anything they want anyway. Period. That's why they are criminals.



Unfortunaterly, the criminals are defined by the guns they have.

Liberals define us CCW's as criminals because we have guns of any kind. As mentioned previously, AK47 is a generic term for all of our guns.

frizz
07-29-2012, 00:57
Honestly, I see nothing wrong with the idea of being able to waltz into a gunshop and come out with a full auto rifle. I have never fired one, but I imagine they walk all over the place when holding down the trigger. Seems like a mass murderer would get the same kill count with an auto, and just waste more bullets, unless he had some formal training, which they usually don't.

I have been told by a full-auto dealer that well-designed submachine guns can, in the hands of a trained shooter, be held steady enough to put every round into a 4 inch circle at 15 yards.

If he wasn't exaggerating, Can you imagine hosing down a target with a 20-30 round mag and leaving a 4" hole with ragged edges?

I asked him about the caliber, and he said that 9/40/45 were all suitable.

MeanAction
07-29-2012, 01:12
Battlefield: batˇtleˇfield n. 1. An area where a battle is fought.
2. A sphere of contention.

Everyday life is a battlefield.

MarcDW
07-29-2012, 03:24
..."I think that most gun owners would agree that AK47's don't belong in the hands of criminals."...

So why did Eric Holder sell over 1.500 guns to known criminals??
By the way, isn't Mr. Holder working for Mr. Obama??
We know for sure of one USBP Agent getting murdered with two of these guns.
God only knows how many were murdered in total with them, but it is safe to say that there are other victims of these guns sold my the Obama administration.
My guess is, that those are more then the ones in Aurora, but that was "south of the border" and we don't hear that much about it!

poodleplumber
07-29-2012, 07:07
There is a subtle, yet major, contradiction in this statement.

I agree. That is why I wrote a second paragraph, to elucidate my central point.

frizz
07-29-2012, 12:28
I'm not disagreeing with you, however I do believe in background checks. I have no desire to see more felons have access to weapons of any kind and I do think these background checks should be such that people with dangerous mental issues" should be screened out. Had that been in place Choi or whatever his name is in VA Tech and Loughner in AZ couldn't have legally purchased any firearm. Don

What does "dangerous mental issues" mean? Someone who has had bad depression? What about bi-polar? They are more common than you think.

Regardless of the difficulty of defining your term, how do you propose having the check system identify them? Are we going to have to get permission to use our rights?

frizz
07-29-2012, 12:34
Battlefield: batˇtleˇfield n. 1. An area where a battle is fought.
2. A sphere of contention.

Everyday life is a battlefield.

Research in the early 1980s by Pat Benatar indicates that Love Is a Battlefield.

janice6
07-29-2012, 12:38
What does "dangerous mental issues" mean? Someone who has had bad depression? What about bi-polar? They are more common than you think.

Regardless of the difficulty of defining your term, how do you propose having the check system identify them? Are we going to have to get permission to use our rights?



As we have already seen, Dangerous Mental Issues means, those that disagree with the person making these decisions.

If I like to shoot guns, by their definition I am............

Ruggles
07-29-2012, 12:49
Battlefield: batˇtleˇfield n. 1. An area where a battle is fought.
2. A sphere of contention.

Everyday life is a battlefield.

So is love, or at least that is what Pat Benatar says.

Little Joe
07-29-2012, 13:06
If somebody invades my home, it has become the battlefield, and I want the best tool for the job. For me that is an AR. The antis need to hear that in the dialogue.

faawrenchbndr
07-29-2012, 13:41
Omama wouldn't know a battlefield if it jumped up & shot him in the arse!

Limedust
07-29-2012, 17:27
Sigh . . .

RHVEtte
07-29-2012, 22:32
I have been told by a full-auto dealer that well-designed submachine guns can, in the hands of a trained shooter, be held steady enough to put every round into a 4 inch circle at 15 yards.

If he wasn't exaggerating, Can you imagine hosing down a target with a 20-30 round mag and leaving a 4" hole with ragged edges?

I asked him about the caliber, and he said that 9/40/45 were all suitable.

Two things. 1) He said a trained shooter. Most people, even us enthusiasts on this board would not qualify as trained, not to that level.
2) By what process are these rounds being fired? Did he mean thirty rounds in a single 4" hole in one trigger pull? Or did he mean 30 rounds fired in short, controlled bursts? The former would be extremely difficult (see #1) and the later is hardly any different from using a semi-auto.

Nakanokalronin
07-29-2012, 23:34
let's look at why this "outrage" is happening in the first place, let alone all of the outrages in the past as well. What's coming up, what are they trying to draw focus away from, who are they trying to get on their side that was in the middle and undecided, ect.... It's an age old tactic guys. Keep focus on informing and teaching people the real facts about firearms and firearm ownership.

Brucev
07-30-2012, 07:24
Re: OP... quote of the squatter in the white house... LOT of stupid coming out of his mouth. LOTS and LOTS of Stupid.

WarEagle32
07-30-2012, 12:48
Is Mitt Romney the answer to all our prayers! He physically signed a damn assault weapons ban already! He is no friend to the gun rights at all and has proven that with actions!

TnGlocker12
07-30-2012, 12:58
let's look at why this "outrage" is happening in the first place, let alone all of the outrages in the past as well. What's coming up, what are they trying to draw focus away from, who are they trying to get on their side that was in the middle and undecided, ect.... It's an age old tactic guys. Keep focus on informing and teaching people the real facts about firearms and firearm ownership.

You are wise beyond your years. Well said.

The_Gun_Guru
07-30-2012, 13:29
Is Mitt Romney the answer to all our prayers! He physically signed a damn assault weapons ban already! He is no friend to the gun rights at all and has proven that with actions!

I don't see that we have another choice, unless everyone will vote for ME, I'd say we are screwed.


TGG

wjv
07-30-2012, 15:41
Obama: AK-47s 'belong on the battlefield'

So according to Obama it's OK to have an AK-47 in:

Stockton, Baltimore, Atlanta, Birmingham, Little Rock, Memphis, Oakland, St. Louis, Detroit, Flint, New Orleans, Houston, Miami-Fort Lauderdale, Chicago & DC?

:dunno:

Restless28
07-30-2012, 17:42
I don't see that we have another choice, unless everyone will vote for ME, I'd say we are screwed.


TGG

Right on.

JackMac
07-30-2012, 18:24
if you want to control guns, restrict or ban ammo. Same kind of thing Sen. Chuckie Schumer (NY) is trying to do, restrict and track ammo sales 1,000 rounds and over.

Little Joe
07-30-2012, 20:21
Is Mitt Romney the answer to all our prayers! He physically signed a damn assault weapons ban already! He is no friend to the gun rights at all and has proven that with actions!

At least he would be constrained by the want to get reelected. He has seen the public shift in favor of gun ownership, and the major jump in background checks. I don't really think he's going to mess with guns.

I have no doubt Obama will if he gets a second term.

The choice is crystal clear to me.