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frankr
07-27-2012, 01:00
Wife and I went to a summer concert this past weekend and because we got there after it started we had to park in the parking garage, third level. It ended around 9:30 PM, on the way back to the car we meet some friends of ours and decided to stop for some ice cream. Now itís around 10:45 when my wife and I got back to our car and by now the garage is mostly empty. As we were walking to our car I noticed a car parked about five spaces down with four guys in it. My car was between them and us, as we walked to the car I hit my car remote to unlock the doors and as I did the lights came on. I opened the door for my wife and as I walked around the back of my car I noticed two of the guys looking at me. I made a motion like I was adjusting something under my shirt, got into the car, locked the doors and drove away. Nothing happened but I sure felt good knowing I had my G27 under my shirt.

mj9mm
07-27-2012, 01:03
best insurance you can purchase:cool:

Just1More
07-27-2012, 01:06
You took a gun into a concert?

mj9mm
07-27-2012, 01:23
You took a gun into a concert?

and nobody knew:whistling:

puckhead
07-27-2012, 01:30
@ Just1More: Are you trying to make a point? Always carry, carry everywhere.

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ted1
07-27-2012, 01:35
@ Just1More: Are you trying to make a point? Always carry, carry everywhere.

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So you carry even where it is illegal? I don't know what state you live in but here in TX that's a good way to lose your license and to go to jail.

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Badger54
07-27-2012, 02:06
So you carry even where it is illegal? I don't know what state you live in but here in TX that's a good way to lose your license and to go to jail.

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The places that you can carry legally very greatly from state to state. In Washington carrying to an outdoors music event is illegal if the event has over a set number of attendies. In Oregon however carrying to the same event is completely legal.

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NEOH212
07-27-2012, 03:57
Carrying a gun is like having insurance. You have it but may not ever need it. But, if the unthinkable happens, it can save the day and is worth everything you put into it over the years.

Like insurance, let's hope that none of us ever need our guns for anything other than punching holes in paper.

:wavey:

Gallium
07-27-2012, 05:28
So you carry even where it is illegal? I don't know what state you live in but here in TX that's a good way to lose your license and to go to jail.

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Why don't you just STFU with this crap already? When we talk about carrying our guns outside of our domiciles we make best faith efforts to ensure we are carrying legally.

As big as you perceive Texas to be, your handgun carry laws are not in the "top 5", and there is a whole big carrying world outside of Texas.

It is against forum rules to discuss ways on breaking or circumventing the letter of the law. When you see people posting about carrying in other people's private property, liquor stores, concerts, etc - don't freak out like a NYC native - it's legal for where we are posting from.

HerrGlock
07-27-2012, 05:34
So you carry even where it is illegal? I don't know what state you live in but here in TX that's a good way to lose your license and to go to jail.

Just so you know, TX carry laws are not all that good and they need a whole lot of tweaking before they're even on line with most of the US. Don't assume anyone else's state has the restrictions of TX.



Off-limits places in PA and what makes them off-limits:
1. Court Facilities - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 913
2a.*Grounds and buildings of Elementary and Secondary schools(K-12 grades), whether the school is private or public. There is an affirmative defense for "other lawful purposes" however there is no case law determining on what that includes. To be safe, its wiser to assume it does not include our carrying "rights". - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 912
2b. Within 1000ft of a school unless you have a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located - US Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, Subsection 922(q)
3. Casinos - by regulation Title 58, Part VII, Chapter 465, Subsection 465a.13
4. Certain Department of State buildings - by regulation
5. ****Places off-limits by Federal Law or regulation, IE: military installations(exceptions for hunting at some bases), Federal Government buildings, after the security check point in airports,etc.
6. Any private property where a landowner, tenant or person so authorized to maintain property has asked you to leave because you are carrying, or where the property owner or tenant has placed signs or placards denoting that guns are forbidden - Title 18, Chapter 35, Subsection 3503
7. Detention facilities, correctional institutes, or mental hospitals - Title 18, Chapter 51, Subsection 5122

HerrGlock
07-27-2012, 05:36
You took a gun into a concert?

Many people do every day in many states.

Besides, I kinda got the impression the OP was at a concert with the opening:

Wife and I went to a summer concert...

racer88
07-27-2012, 08:51
Yeah... I was surprised at how restrictive Texas laws are (compared to Florida). It seems on the gun forums, many people assume the rest of the country is the same as their own states' laws.

That underscores the importance of knowing the laws of other states (with CCW reciprocity) in which you may be traveling (and carrying).

zbusdriver
07-27-2012, 09:17
So you carry even where it is illegal? I don't know what state you live in but here in TX that's a good way to lose your license and to go to jail.

Sent from my DROID RAZRstupid is, as stupid says...:upeyes:

Gallium
07-27-2012, 09:36
Many people do every day in many states.

Besides, I kinda got the impression the OP was at a concert with the opening:


...and me being the lucky SOB I am, I get to carry in many concert venues where other CCWers from those states cannot. :supergrin: (I did not say ALL venues!)

ItsOnlyMoney
07-27-2012, 10:16
You took a gun into a concert?

As a resident Texan, I'd like to know what part of the Texas Penal code restricts you from carrying at a concert?

To all those bashing Texas, I don't believe there is any restriction regarding carrying to a concert. I would carry if going to one.

I just brushed up on the Texas CHL handbook, and I don't see any restriction. But, if I'm wrong, please tell me where it's at in the penal code.

green marauder
07-27-2012, 10:20
This is the part of the PA.law that I was shown by a PA. District Magistrate when I specifically asked him about being armed when I had to pick up or drop off my kids at school/events, he also added its better to be on you there than leaving it your car in a school parking lot because of "posible mischief" by students.

ß 912. Possession of weapon on school property.


Definition. -- Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife, cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.
Offense defined. -- A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.
Defense. -- It shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose.
ADIVSORY NOTE: At the time of this update, there has been thus far no court cases interpreting "possessed for other lawful purpose" insofar as applied to those licensed under ß6109 (http://paopencarry.org/pa-firearm-law-ss6109), exempted under ß6106 (http://paopencarry.org/pa-firearm-law-ss6106)(b), or open carrying on foot without the benefit of being licensed or exempted on school grounds. However, common sense would dictate that if "self defense" is a valid and lawful reason for purpose of obtaining a PA LTCF than it should also be a "lawful purpose" per this statute's exceptions.

HerrGlock
07-27-2012, 10:25
ß 912. Possession of weapon on school property.

Wow, that's one of the biggest sharp turns from nowhere I've ever seen.

Obviously I've missed anything about them being at a school. I was thinking it was at a concert hall or amphitheater type venue.

frankr
07-27-2012, 10:31
Cool it guys let me clarify and I apologize. This was an outdoor summer concert in the park. You know you take your bag chairs and sit under a tree. And as far as being legal I have a license to carry firearms. And who said anything about a school, man talk about jumping to conclusions.

HerrGlock
07-27-2012, 10:40
Cool it guys let me clarify and I apologize. This was an outdoor summer concert in the park. You know you take your bag chairs and sit under a tree. And as far as being legal I have a license to carry firearms. And who said anything about a school, man talk about jumping to conclusions.

A PARK!?!?! Didn't you know in East Timbuktuastan it's illegal to have a firearm in a park, therefore you should be thrown in jail for the rest of your life and just for good measure your children should be jailed too!

That you weren't in East Timbuktuastan shouldn't matter in the least.

green marauder
07-27-2012, 10:43
Wow, that's one of the biggest sharp turns from nowhere I've ever seen.

Obviously I've missed anything about them being at a school. I was thinking it was at a concert hall or amphitheater type venue.


Not trying to step on any toes. I just wanted to add the part about the schools in PA. because everyone thinks their forbiden, and according to that there not. Thats why I asked the Magistrate a couple years ago. Because when I first got my permit 25+ years ago there wasnt much info from the sherif about were you could and couldnt carry in PA or or the laws in general.

ranger1968
07-27-2012, 11:05
Good Lord, some of you guys need to cool it with jumping on every single poster and pointing out how in this state or that one this could have been illegal or that could have been illegal;:upeyes:

In the case of the OP, he was perfectly legal, and showed good sense in carrying and good situational awareness in noticing and monitoring the guys sitting in that car.

Good on you, Frankr.....:thumbsup:

CA Escapee
07-27-2012, 11:11
I'm guilty of chastising other people on the forum for not including the disclamer, "Depending on where you live..." in their posts.

It irks me. :steamed: I think people forget the person at the other end of the Internet might just not be in their part of the neighborhood.

Bill

zbusdriver
07-27-2012, 11:23
A PARK!?!?! Didn't you know in East Timbuktuastan it's illegal to have a firearm in a park, therefore you should be thrown in jail for the rest of your life too!and just for good measure your children should be jailed too!

That you weren't in East Timbuktuastan shouldn't matter in the least.:rofl::rofl:

SouthernBoyVA
07-27-2012, 11:23
Just so you know, TX carry laws are not all that good and they need a whole lot of tweaking before they're even on line with most of the US. Don't assume anyone else's state has the restrictions of TX.



Off-limits places in PA and what makes them off-limits:
1. Court Facilities - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 913
2a.*Grounds and buildings of Elementary and Secondary schools(K-12 grades), whether the school is private or public. There is an affirmative defense for "other lawful purposes" however there is no case law determining on what that includes. To be safe, its wiser to assume it does not include our carrying "rights". - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 912
2b. Within 1000ft of a school unless you have a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located - US Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, Subsection 922(q)
3. Casinos - by regulation Title 58, Part VII, Chapter 465, Subsection 465a.13
4. Certain Department of State buildings - by regulation
5. ****Places off-limits by Federal Law or regulation, IE: military installations(exceptions for hunting at some bases), Federal Government buildings, after the security check point in airports,etc.
6. Any private property where a landowner, tenant or person so authorized to maintain property has asked you to leave because you are carrying, or where the property owner or tenant has placed signs or placards denoting that guns are forbidden - Title 18, Chapter 35, Subsection 3503
7. Detention facilities, correctional institutes, or mental hospitals - Title 18, Chapter 51, Subsection 5122

Keep in mind that this is a license to possess, not to carry a firearm. In my state, there is no such thing and I surmise that is also true for most of the other states.

ranger1968
07-27-2012, 11:29
Uh no, in most states the "license" is to carry the fireram on your person.; the license/permit statute will clearly detail where you may and may not carry your gun.....

There is no license in many states to simply possess (or own) a firearm......

HerrGlock
07-27-2012, 11:36
Keep in mind that this is a license to possess, not to carry a firearm. In my state, there is no such thing and I surmise that is also true for most of the other states.

That one's not been to court yet and I don't think it's going to, but it's generally agreed upon that the "license" they're talking about is a concealed carry permit as that's the "license" that requires a background check in most states.


(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearmó
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;


There are only a couple states that require a license to own but almost all require a license that includes a background check to carry a firearm.

SFla27
07-27-2012, 12:00
Wife and I went to a summer concert this past weekend and because we got there after it started we had to park in the parking garage, third level. It ended around 9:30 PM, on the way back to the car we meet some friends of ours and decided to stop for some ice cream. Now itís around 10:45 when my wife and I got back to our car and by now the garage is mostly empty. As we were walking to our car I noticed a car parked about five spaces down with four guys in it. My car was between them and us, as we walked to the car I hit my car remote to unlock the doors and as I did the lights came on. I opened the door for my wife and as I walked around the back of my car I noticed two of the guys looking at me. I made a motion like I was adjusting something under my shirt, got into the car, locked the doors and drove away. Nothing happened but I sure felt good knowing I had my G27 under my shirt.

Glad nothing happened. Good insurance indeed. Carry on.

frankr
07-27-2012, 13:13
In Pennsylvania to carry a concealed weapon it’s called a Pennsylvania License To Carry Firearms.

JW1178
07-27-2012, 15:22
Oh holly hell look at all the armchair lawyers and internet cops.... just ruined this thread and ruins this whole site.

Glocktalk, where property owner's rights are more valuable than your life.

I know the feeling sometimes. See people who are obviously up to something and you can't say exactly what, but you are glad you have some options in case they choose a bad option. Sometimes, I think it gives you the confidence that shows, and that lets them know "that guy isn't scared, he must have something".

Two Guns
07-27-2012, 20:49
I carry where ever I am able. It makes me feel good.

SouthernBoyVA
07-27-2012, 22:07
Uh no, in most states the "license" is to carry the fireram on your person.; the license/permit statute will clearly detail where you may and may not carry your gun.....

There is no license in many states to simply possess (or own) a firearm......

Yes, this is true for most states. However, U.S. Code 18,922, as quoted for the GFSZ, specifically states "if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located". It says nothing about a permit to carry or own for that matter. Just to possess. Possessing an object does not imply ownership.

My state requires no such license to possess a handgun but there are some which do require such a license, or permit, for purchase of a handgun (again, mine is not one of these). The problem with the verbiage of so many laws is that they are written by lawyers and others who no doubt know little about firearms and the laws of the several states. This is how we get "assault rifle" for a semi-automatic rifle and a host of other inaccuracies.

When they say, "if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located", they are not speaking of a carry permit. And there is this. There is no mention that you must have such a "license" on your person when within the 1000' radius... only that it be issued to you.

BTW, in my state it is a permit not a license for concealed carry. We have no such thing as a carry license here.

SouthernBoyVA
07-27-2012, 22:12
That one's not been to court yet and I don't think it's going to, but it's generally agreed upon that the "license" they're talking about is a concealed carry permit as that's the "license" that requires a background check in most states.

Yes I know this, but I would bet a good lawyer could put the screws to the feds should they try to push something like this. I know of no person in my state who has been charged with this and I doubt it would happen. Can you imagine. If you live in pretty much any suburban area in the country, you would enter within 1000' of a school many times during your daily travel. It really is a dumb law and needs to be ignored by states, nullified by juries if charged, and just removed from U.S. statute post haste.

Glock_9mm
07-27-2012, 22:40
Its legal in California, even if posted no guns, you can carry until you are asked to leave. Post offices and certain Gov't buildings are the only places we can not carry...no exceptions, even for LEO in most situations. We can even carry in a bar as long as we are not drinking ourselves. Weird laws compared to most states, but heh, it's Ca!
Scott

BuffaloBo
07-28-2012, 09:01
Wow! TWO guys looking at you?!? What if role's were reversed? If you were in the car and seen movement in the garage, well, by golly YOU"D look too!!!

Move along folks, nothing to see here...! :yawn:

frankr
07-28-2012, 10:19
Wow! TWO guys looking at you?!? What if role's were reversed? If you were in the car and seen movement in the garage, well, by golly YOU"D look too!!!

Move along folks, nothing to see here...! :yawn:

What, are you suggesting that I over reacted? Let’s see. Your parked on the third floor of a parking garage, it’s 10:30 at night only a couple other cars scattered about and just a few cars down from you is a car with four guys in it. Yes I would look. All I’m saying is my senses were alerted and I felt good knowing I had my G27 on my hip. If you carry a concealed weapon then you know that feeling. I guess on my next post I’ll have to describe every minute detail, by golly.

1. Motor not running.
2. Four guys sitting in a car talking loudly.
3. Parked in a darkened area, when I parked my car there was plenty of daylight.
4. Parking garage is in a depressed part of the downtown area like most cities.

Lior
07-28-2012, 11:29
A law-abiding person has no business buying and consuming ice cream in the middle of the night.

But seriously, you did good. Stay safe, and use that fine judgment so that you do not need to use your good skills.

SouthernBoyVA
07-28-2012, 15:23
What, are you suggesting that I over reacted? Letís see. Your parked on the third floor of a parking garage, itís 10:30 at night only a couple other cars scattered about and just a few cars down from you is a car with four guys in it. Yes I would look. All Iím saying is my senses were alerted and I felt good knowing I had my G27 on my hip. If you carry a concealed weapon then you know that feeling. I guess on my next post Iíll have to describe every minute detail, by golly.

1. Motor not running.
2. Four guys sitting in a car talking loudly.
3. Parked in a darkened area, when I parked my car there was plenty of daylight.
4. Parking garage is in a depressed part of the downtown area like most cities.

You reacted and acted as any prudent individual would under the circumstances you described. You did just fine.

Gallium
07-28-2012, 15:55
You reacted and acted as any prudent individual would under the circumstances you described. You did just fine.


I agree with your sentiment. I long ago learned to trust my gut instincts.

- G

GasTiresOil
07-29-2012, 08:19
What, are you suggesting that I over reacted? Letís see. Your parked on the third floor of a parking garage, itís 10:30 at night only a couple other cars scattered about and just a few cars down from you is a car with four guys in it. Yes I would look. All Iím saying is my senses were alerted and I felt good knowing I had my G27 on my hip. If you carry a concealed weapon then you know that feeling. I guess on my next post Iíll have to describe every minute detail, by golly.

1. Motor not running.
2. Four guys sitting in a car talking loudly.
3. Parked in a darkened area, when I parked my car there was plenty of daylight.
4. Parking garage is in a depressed part of the downtown area like most cities.

Sounds like you were aware of your surroundings and prepared to deal with whatever may come. How many times is situational awareness discussed on this board.... Good lookin out.

RussP
07-29-2012, 10:26
Wife and I went to a summer concert this past weekend and because we got there after it started we had to park in the parking garage, third level.

It ended around 9:30 PM, on the way back to the car we meet some friends of ours and decided to stop for some ice cream.

Now itís around 10:45 when my wife and I got back to our car and by now the garage is mostly empty.

As we were walking to our car I noticed a car parked about five spaces down with four guys in it. My car was between them and us, as we walked to the car I hit my car remote to unlock the doors and as I did the lights came on. I opened the door for my wife and as I walked around the back of my car I noticed two of the guys looking at me.

I made a motion like I was adjusting something under my shirt, got into the car, locked the doors and drove away.

Nothing happened but I sure felt good knowing I had my G27 under my shirt.You did good paying attention to others on the "playing field" there.

Paying attention to details within the other car and making eye contact was a plus.

Using the remote access was good, too. If anyone had exited the car, you could also hit the alert button, accidently, of course.

I'm not real strong on the "a motion like I was adjusting something under my shirt." Were you trying to communicate you're carrying?

The other thing I would have done is call 911. Tell them about the car and occupants. It never hurts...

Also, if you have a 4-door, ask your wife to get in the rear driver side door. It keeps the car between y'all and the other people.

Never let your guard down.

Cavalry Doc
07-29-2012, 11:00
You did good paying attention to others on the "playing field" there.

Paying attention to details within the other car and making eye contact was a plus.

Using the remote access was good, too. If anyone had exited the car, you could also hit the alert button, accidently, of course.

I'm not real strong on the "a motion like I was adjusting something under my shirt." Were you trying to communicate you're carrying?

The other thing I would have done is call 911. Tell them about the car and occupants. It never hurts...

Also, if you have a 4-door, ask your wife to get in the rear driver side door. It keeps the car between y'all and the other people.

Never let your guard down.

Good tip on having the wife get in on the side opposite the other guys.

kirgi08
07-29-2012, 11:08
You ain't a victim.May have been placebo,or then again.I've been known ta be wrong.Youse did well.Situational awareness,you did well.'08.

JW1178
07-29-2012, 11:38
Wow! TWO guys looking at you?!? What if role's were reversed? If you were in the car and seen movement in the garage, well, by golly YOU"D look too!!!

Move along folks, nothing to see here...! :yawn:

I'm not going to flame you here, but I disagree strongly.

We all see a couple guys sitting in a car talking scenereo all the time, but we hardly bat an eye. However sometimes, there is something that sets off the alarm. For one thing, it seems they are looking for something, but nobody is searching for an earing. Most people, even if they see you or look at you, they aren't paying you much attention. Then you get someone who is really studying you, sizing you up, trying to figure you out. They are looking at you but thinking, and those thoughts aren't positive thoughts. Then the real kicker, body language. It's near impossible to fake your body language and look natural. Most people don't even try because they have no idea they are giving off any body language. They say more than they think they do.

If they look like a bunch of hyenas on the prowl, they probably are.

RussP
07-29-2012, 11:48
Good tip on having the wife get in on the side opposite the other guys.I forgot to add that like every other aspect of carrying, you need to practice reactions to possible threats. You AND your significant other must know what to do, how to do it. In the moment when you say, "Get into the backseat," should not be the time to explain things. She might think you are getting frisky...:whistling:...

Just go over signals and responses so there is no embarrassing misunderstanding. :cool:

SDGlock23
07-29-2012, 12:46
The G27 is a superb choice, I carried to a concert once...even got past a brief "search" which I thought I wouldn't.

dakrat
07-29-2012, 12:52
my neighbor has been giving me that "LOOK". it felt good knowing I have the Barrett 50 BMG slung on my shoulder....