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dkf
07-27-2012, 10:20
Ordered a load of them for my .357sig practice loads. Could not resist the price. Midways shipping is ridiculous but for the price of the bullets it still pays.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/930807/remington-ctf-frangible-bullets-9mm-luger-355-diameter-90-grain-flat-nose-box-of-500-bulk-packaged

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685942/remington-ctf-frangible-bullets-357-sig-355-diameter-100-grain-flat-nose-box-of-500-bulk-packaged

Beanie-Bean
07-27-2012, 11:30
Thanks for the heads-up...just ordered 1000 of each (90 and 100 gr.)

I have to go find some load data for those rounds now :wavey:

dkf
07-27-2012, 11:43
I have to go find some load data for those rounds now :wavey:

You and me both. Worth the trouble for the price I hope.

F106 Fan
07-27-2012, 12:14
The diameter of the 90 gr 9mm Luger is 0.355" which seems right for my .380. Any reason this bullet can't be used in a .380 like my Ruger LCP?

The photo makes the bullet look very long when compared to, say, the Hornady HP-XTP but I suspect it is just a generic photo.

I don't currently load for .380 because we simply don't shoot it very often. Still, I wouldn't mind having 1000 rounds of practice ammo laying around.

Any suggestions on where to find reloading data for frangible bullets? I have never used them.

Richard

Beanie-Bean
07-27-2012, 12:15
Looks like Accurate has some published information for frangible bullets at those weights for the #2 and #5 powders.

dkf
07-27-2012, 12:30
The diameter of the 90 gr 9mm Luger is 0.355" which seems right for my .380. Any reason this bullet can't be used in a .380 like my Ruger LCP?

The photo makes the bullet look very long when compared to, say, the Hornady HP-XTP but I suspect it is just a generic photo.

I don't currently load for .380 because we simply don't shoot it very often. Still, I wouldn't mind having 1000 rounds of practice ammo laying around.

Any suggestions on where to find reloading data for frangible bullets? I have never used them.

Richard

I load .380 also. I have seen some data for 115gr bullet in .380 and the Midway description says...


The 90gr. CTF bullets have a similar size and profile as a traditional 115gr full metal jacket bullet.

So I would say start with the low end 115gr jhp load data.

http://handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=380%20ACP&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

If they work ok in .380 I'd buy some of the 9mm version no problem.

F106 Fan
07-27-2012, 12:32
I went to buy 4 boxes of the 90 gr and could only get one. They are now out of stock.

Richard

dkf
07-27-2012, 12:47
I went to buy 4 boxes of the 90 gr and could only get one. They are now out of stock.

Richard

Oh sure you and Beanie stole them all.:faint:

No big deal. Let me know how they work for .380 and what load you are using. I figure it would be a long time before Midway has a deal like that again on them but when/if they do again it would be nice to know if they work. In the meantime I'll use cast bullets for .380.

I actually saw Midway was selling these bullets on sale a couple months ago for $43 per 500 but I didn't buy any at that price and glad I waited. I only bought the .357sig versions as I know they will work for .357sig.:wavey:

fredj338
07-27-2012, 13:03
The diameter of the 90 gr 9mm Luger is 0.355" which seems right for my .380. Any reason this bullet can't be used in a .380 like my Ruger LCP?

The photo makes the bullet look very long when compared to, say, the Hornady HP-XTP but I suspect it is just a generic photo.

I don't currently load for .380 because we simply don't shoot it very often. Still, I wouldn't mind having 1000 rounds of practice ammo laying around.

Any suggestions on where to find reloading data for frangible bullets? I have never used them.

Richard

Do to their length, I would not think they would be a good fit in 380. They are long & light, so you would have to work up your data from 90gr 9mm or to be safer, 100gr 9mm data.

Beanie-Bean
07-27-2012, 13:07
Looks like you guys hit it on the head. The information from this site echoes what you said, dkf, regarding using the next size up:

http://frangiblebullets.com/xcart/reloading.html

I got the 90 gr. to load in 9X19 and .380. Not sure if they'd be long enough to sit right in the .357SIG case. I've only ever loaded 124 gr. XTP and 125 gr. TMJ for that caliber.

Beanie-Bean
07-27-2012, 13:09
Do to their length, I would not think they would be a good fit in 380. They are long & light, so you would have to work up your data from 90gr 9mm or to be safer, 100gr 9mm data.

Thanks, Fred--I was writing my last post when you sent yours up. Appreciate the info about the round, and I'll start from the heavier weight load data on those.

F106 Fan
07-27-2012, 13:46
Do to their length, I would not think they would be a good fit in 380. They are long & light, so you would have to work up your data from 90gr 9mm or to be safer, 100gr 9mm data.

I was only able to get 500 of them so it's no big deal to load them as 9mm and shoot them up.

However, as Accurate Arms lists load data for .380 ACP with a 90 gr frangible bullet, why would it not be usable?


No. 2 90 SF RHFP 4.3 gr 1,080 fps 4.8 gr 1,200 fps 34,620psi 1.120"


EDIT: This is wrong! It is for 9mm Luger ^^^^ Ignore

I was thinking about buying some .380 brass and loading these bullets from the Accurate Arms data. I will use the rest of the No. 2 to load some .45 ACP just to use it up.

Following that, I will keep the brass for the day I load the Hornady HP-XTP with Titegroup (which I have on hand).

Otherwise, I'll just shoot them as 9mm and call it a day.

Richard

F106 Fan
07-27-2012, 13:53
However, as Accurate Arms lists load data for .380 ACP with a 90 gr frangible bullet, why would it not be usable?


Maybe because the SAAMI max OAL for .380 ACP is 0.984 and Accurate is calling for 1.120"?

Richard

Beanie-Bean
07-27-2012, 14:11
I was only able to get 500 of them so it's no big deal to load them as 9mm and shoot them up.

However, as Accurate Arms lists load data for .380 ACP with a 90 gr frangible bullet, why would it not be usable?



I was thinking about buying some .380 brass and loading these bullets from the Accurate Arms data. I will use the rest of the No. 2 to load some .45 ACP just to use it up.

Following that, I will keep the brass for the day I load the Hornady HP-XTP with Titegroup (which I have on hand).

Otherwise, I'll just shoot them as 9mm and call it a day.

Richard

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Richard,

You were reading the data for 9X19. Accurate has data listed for 90 and 95 gr. jacketed bullets.

F106 Fan
07-27-2012, 14:36
Richard,

You were reading the data for 9X19. Accurate has data listed for 90 and 95 gr. jacketed bullets.

OOPS! You are absolutely right!

Their loadings for .380 are no particular help with this bullet.

So, I'll load them as 9mm and shoot them up.

Richard

Rich22
07-27-2012, 14:45
Have a quick question, since I have never loaded 357 Sig and only 9mm. Since the 357 Sig bullet is .355, why would this not work in 9mm? The lengths look to be fairly close.

Thanks

dkf
07-27-2012, 14:49
Looks like you guys hit it on the head. The information from this site echoes what you said, dkf, regarding using the next size up:

http://frangiblebullets.com/xcart/reloading.html

I got the 90 gr. to load in 9X19 and .380. Not sure if they'd be long enough to sit right in the .357SIG case. I've only ever loaded 124 gr. XTP and 125 gr. TMJ for that caliber.

For .357sig it depends on the profile of the bullet. If the bullet has a lot of taper on it you will have to load it as long as possible to keep the straight portion of the bullet within the small neck of the .357sig brass. The 90gr, 115gr and 124gr XTPs all work superb in the .357sig as do the 90gr - 124gr Nosler JHP.

Profile is not as big of deal with the .380 because it isn't a necked cartridge however you can only seat the bullet so deep into the brass before you hit the tapered part of the case wall and bulge the case. A long OAL should help that. Start with a mouse fart charge and work up.

dkf
07-27-2012, 14:52
Have a quick question, since I have never loaded 357 Sig and only 9mm. Since the 357 Sig bullet is .355, why would this not work in 9mm? The lengths look to be fairly close.

Thanks

It has to do with the bullet profile. You need a long enough straight portion on the bullet to get proper neck tension at the correct OAL. A lot of 9mm profiles have a very long taper and will just slip down into the .357sig case.

Beanie-Bean
07-27-2012, 15:43
For .357sig it depends on the profile of the bullet. If the bullet has a lot of taper on it you will have to load it as long as possible to keep the straight portion of the bullet within the small neck of the .357sig brass. The 90gr, 115gr and 124gr XTPs all work superb in the .357sig as do the 90gr - 124gr Nosler JHP.

Profile is not as big of deal with the .380 because it isn't a necked cartridge however you can only seat the bullet so deep into the brass before you hit the tapered part of the case wall and bulge the case. A long OAL should help that. Start with a mouse fart charge and work up.

Thanks for the information regarding the "good" bullets for .357SIG. As I wrote earlier, I've only loaded up two different projectiles for this caliber, both of which worked flawlessly. I'll experiment with the other weights (which I usually reserve for 9X19...) to see how those run out of my guns. I'm defintely getting my money's worth out of the Dillon .357SIG dies :) I can't believe I held off for so long on getting them. Now, I enjoy that caliber as much as I do 10mm!

Njanear
07-27-2012, 19:33
Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered 2K of the 100gr to see if I can work them up into a decent 9mm steel challenge load for my kid (since Power factor isn't a factor ;) ). I have a bit of Ramshot powder on hand and they are carrying loads in their manual just for the frangible bullets. :wavey:

JJ-
02-19-2013, 05:58
Has anyone had any luck loading the 100 grains in the Sig??

I've been searching various forums and it looks like many people bought them but not much talk about how they loaded them. Based on some of the above post I was considering loading them based on Hornady data for 124 gr bullet.

My thoughts are:

I use Unique in 99% of my Sig 357 rounds so I would like to stick with that. Was thinking about using load data from Hornday 124 gr and working up so starting at 6.6 and going through 7.8 with COAL at 1.125 - 1.130

dkf
02-20-2013, 22:06
I have been loading them in .357sig with a long OAL with Power Pistol.