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SIG-SOG
07-29-2012, 17:50
Is Obama possibly the worst president of all history? How can this anti-american be re-elected? It blows my mind.

jakebrake
07-29-2012, 17:53
how many people now live off the public dole? you think they'll vote against sugar daddy? nope

how many "my guy got blown out of the water in the primaries...so i'm gonna throw a tantrum and do a write in" brain deads are there? too many.

how many dead people and cartoon characters will suddenly rise from the grave to vote in detroit and chicago? a lot.

cysoto
07-29-2012, 17:53
Is Obama possibly the worst president of all history? How can this anti-american be re-elected? It blows my mind.

Absolutely not! That distinction belongs to George "Dubya" Bush.

IBTL

Annoyedgrunt
07-29-2012, 17:54
To paraphrase George Carlin- our politicians are the best that we as a country can come up with. We only have ourselves to blame.

Calico Jack
07-29-2012, 17:56
Absolutely not! That distinction belongs to George "Dubya" Bush.

IBTL

If Obama is the worst president ever... you can bet on one thing for sure. It's Bush's fault!

GLWyandotte
07-29-2012, 17:57
Absolutely not! That distinction belongs to George "Dubya" Bush.

IBTL
:rofl::rofl::rofl:



So the economy doesn't count then?

Dexters
07-29-2012, 17:58
Is Obama possibly the worst president of all history? How can this anti-american be re-elected? It blows my mind.

Woodrow Wilson has that distinction.

And, Teddy Roosevelt help to get him elected.

arclight610
07-29-2012, 17:58
Are you kidding me? Obama is the messiah!

raven11
07-29-2012, 17:59
when I was going to one of my Gen-ed classes I asked a woman who was voting for Obama why?

she responded "because he is cute"

for every intelligent voter out there we have a voter that just votes on emotion, or looks, or color. and sadly their votes count the same as ours.

Annoyedgrunt
07-29-2012, 18:02
when I was going to one of my Gen-ed classes I asked a woman who was voting for Obama why?

she responded "because he is cute"

.

Knew a girl that said the same thing about W in 2004. It didn't help that Kerry looks like a zombie. :ack:

Bigpoppie50
07-29-2012, 18:04
He was put in one of the worst situations ever as a president but most of the people reading this would not understand that at all and I am sure not going to try and convince them on a gun forum.

Ummagumma
07-29-2012, 18:06
He's a mediocre president. George W Bush and Carter were the worst ones in my times. I'd say Carter wins, but not by much.

Dexters
07-29-2012, 18:09
He's a mediocre president. George W Bush and Carter were the worst ones in my times. I'd say Carter wins, but not by much.

What made Carter so bad?

RyanSBHF
07-29-2012, 18:12
What made Carter so bad?



The Misery Index and his incompetent mishandling of the Iran hostage crisis for starters.

RyanSBHF
07-29-2012, 18:14
Absolutely not! That distinction belongs to George "Dubya" Bush.

IBTL



FDR and Woodrow Wilson are the worst.

raven11
07-29-2012, 18:17
What made Carter so bad?
the 1979 oil crisis , Iranian embassy crisis, cutting the military down to the point they didn't have enough ammo and fuel to conduct training , gave the panama canal to Panama , and on top of that the economy was pretty bad

Ummagumma
07-29-2012, 18:19
What made Carter so bad?

He was much like Dubya - grossly incompetent, acting on personal convictions rather than common sense. However in a way I think he was worse. I can't stand much more of his ideology as opposed to GWB's, and I also think he was even less capable in managing the day to day runnings of the government.

Dexters
07-29-2012, 18:20
The Misery Index and his incompetent mishandling of the Iran hostage crisis for starters.

You are part of the reason why the USA is in the shape it is in.

You don't know history.

And, you don't know that is the decisions that a president makes that affect the future course of a country that is important.

The Misery Index was a result of inflation and unemployment which had their beginnings prior to Carter's presidency. You probably don't know why either.

RonS
07-29-2012, 18:22
Wilson, Carter, Obama.

Did anyone else catch his speech at the dedication of the Bush library? A shiver went down my spine when he talked about the orderly transition of power. I think that in the back of his mind not giving up power is in the cards. All for the very best of motives and our own good of course. I could be mistaken, but with the violence in the country right now, mob attacks, high profile shootings, Iran, Syria etc, I worry.

SIG-SOG
07-29-2012, 18:22
the 1979 oil crisis , Iranian embassy crisis, cutting the military down to the point they didn't have enough ammo and fuel to conduct training , gave the panama canal to Panama , and on top of that the economy was pretty bad

Speaking of cutting the military down to nothing, are you aware of sequestion. Something like $500 billion across the board cuts to the defense budget without regard to what the impact will be. So Obama wants to take our 2nd amendment freedom away, and cuts our defense budget in such an irresponsible manner. This guy is trouble all the way around.

skorper
07-29-2012, 18:23
You are part of the reason why the USA is in the shape it is in.

You don't know history.

And, you don't know that is the decisions that a president makes that affect the future course of a country that is important.

The Misery Index was a result of inflation and unemployment which had their beginnings prior to Carter's presidency. You probably don't know why either.

Oh My.

raven11
07-29-2012, 18:24
Speaking of cutting the military down to nothing, are you aware of sequestion. Something like $50 billion across the board cuts to the defense budget without regard to what the impact will be. So Obama wants to take our 2nd amendment freedom away, and cuts our defense budget in such an irresponsible manner. This guy is trouble all the way around.

not to mention messing with the entire military's pay as leverage to get his bloated spending bills passed

Anglin_AZ
07-29-2012, 18:25
Speaking of cutting the military down to nothing, are you aware of sequestion. Something like $50 billion across the board cuts to the defense budget without regard to what the impact will be. So Obama wants to take our 2nd amendment freedom away, and cuts our defense budget in such an irresponsible manner. This guy is trouble all the way around.

Bush=Clinton=BushII=Obama

It's one big running fiasco.

bear62
07-29-2012, 18:29
Bush=Clinton=BushII=Obama

It's one big running fiasco.

Bush slightly better than Bush II who is slightly better than Clinton who is quite a bit better than Obama.....:faint:

Ruggles
07-29-2012, 18:41
You can keep Clinton, I would take Obama as POTUS over ole Bill any day of the week. Course that ain't saying much. :)

Jonesee
07-29-2012, 18:57
You are part of the reason why the USA is in the shape it is in.

You don't know history.

And, you don't know that is the decisions that a president makes that affect the future course of a country that is important.

The Misery Index was a result of inflation and unemployment which had their beginnings prior to Carter's presidency. You probably don't know why either.



Dexter, I don't consider it history if I lived through it.

And, Carter was that bad...

Carter got blamed for an economy he inherited from Ford. He made stupid decisions trying to get the economy on track again. Obama inherited the economy form Dubya and has also made stupid decisions trying to get it back on track.

HexHead
07-29-2012, 19:02
Y'all need to put down the crack pipe. Lincoln was worse than everyone that came after him put together.

canis latrans
07-29-2012, 19:11
Obama is a communist.

that pretty much makes him the WORST, in my opinion.

oldgraywolf
07-29-2012, 19:13
Lincoln was worse than everyone that came after him put together.

And heeeeeeeeeere we go.........

raven11
07-29-2012, 19:24
Y'all need to put down the crack pipe. Lincoln was worse than everyone that came after him put together.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c316/raven1121/57030b8b.jpg

Jonesee
07-29-2012, 19:30
Y'all need to put down the crack pipe. Lincoln was worse than everyone that came after him put together.

Oh Please, do tell... Why?

(this should be entertaining)

sombunya
07-29-2012, 19:32
I would measure "worst" by how badly they and their policies have damaged the country and how long those damaging effects have lingered.

That being said, I'd probably agree with RyanSBHF's choices. Carter and Obama were/are certainly inept, but the long-term effects of the actions of numbers 28 and 32 are as malevolent as anything any Pres. has ever done.

They "Let the Camel's nose into the tent" so to speak.

jakebrake
07-29-2012, 19:34
Bush=Clinton=BushII=Obama

It's one big running fiasco.

if i drank, i'd drink to that.

K.Kiser
07-29-2012, 19:35
Obama is the worst IMO... No other that I know has intentionally tried to undermine and dismantle life in America as we know it like he has... His values, lack of character, and actions are as non-american as can possibly be and not get tarred and feather on an outbound train...

Guy's please don't start with the dumb civil war scheeet.. If ya'll do, just remember that my daddy will beat up your daddy with a 2x4 shotgun and a suplex...

Rooster Rugburn
07-29-2012, 19:39
Obama only had 2 years with a democrat congress, thank G-d. If he had more, I would say yes.

I would say the worst is FDR. FDR was in long enough to really hurt the US and our REPUBLIC. FDR and "the Greatest Generation" are the first generation to leave this nation worse off than they got it. The damage they did with their socialist "gimme" designs will hurt the US for decades after they are gone. IF, it doesn't cause a complete collapse.

oldgraywolf
07-29-2012, 19:54
I'd have to rate FDR and LBJ (FDR II) as worse than Obama. If he gets four more, though, he may be in the running.

M&P Shooter
07-29-2012, 19:59
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/funny_images_of_obama5.jpg

napp32
07-29-2012, 20:00
The fact that the American public voted all these guys into office isn't very reassuring.

The fact that our elections process always seems to boil down to a choice between two incompetents is even less so.

jakebrake
07-29-2012, 20:03
The fact that the American public voted all these guys into office isn't very reassuring.

The fact that our elections process always seems to boil down to a choice between two incompetents is even less so.

it's what i've heard people's votes based on that is so sad to me.

Dragline
07-29-2012, 20:04
Is Obama definitely the worst president of all history?

Yes he is.

NEOH212
07-29-2012, 20:08
To paraphrase George Carlin- our politicians are the best that we as a country can come up with. We only have ourselves to blame.

It's nice to see someone else that doesn't sugar coat the truth.

:agree::yourock:

stopatrain
07-29-2012, 20:08
Obama has no competition.

Foxtrotx1
07-29-2012, 20:09
At least he didn't start a senseless war in Iraq. But other than that, Obama is top 5 easy.

Foxtrotx1
07-29-2012, 20:11
In Before The Lincoln

IBTL

napp32
07-29-2012, 20:12
it's what i've heard people's votes based on that is so sad to me.

Very true. My wife voted for JFK in 1960 for two reasons. He was "nice looking" and a Catholic.

427
07-29-2012, 20:21
The Communist Party USA endorsed Obama in the 2008/2012 election cycle.

How many US Presidents have been endorsed by the Communists?

That says it all for me.

Obama endorsed by Communist Party USA, Sam Webb chairman, Communist support for Obama reelection bid

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/obama-endorsed-by-communist-party-usa-sam-webb-chairman-communist-support-for-obama-reelection-bid/

Snidely Whiplash
07-29-2012, 20:22
Worst? Possibly..

Take a look at his Executive Orders to date. Some are down right goofy. http://1461days.blogspot.com/2009/01/current-list-of-president-obamas.html

Here are some of his associates.
http://theobamafile.com/_associates/obamaassociates.htm

He may not be the worst President, but is by far the scariest.

You can get to know someone by the company they keep. BHO has got some VERY questionable friends.

mj9mm
07-29-2012, 20:27
:whistling: was the question of the post asking about Obama's job evaluation? what we answer depends on our idea of what America is and where we believe it should be headed. I believe we should be headed in the direction of a strong industrial economy, capable of supplying not only our needs, but able to export products to the world. in order to do that we must be free and unencumbered to compete in a capitalist form, in this country and with the entire world. buisiness must be allowed to work with as few regulations and taxes as possible. Regulations to protect workers, the environment and competition are neccesary but must reasonable. nothing screws up a national economy like red tape. it is a given that bureaucracy has been on the increase since Reagan left office, but the overwhelming rise in government since Obama took office compares only to a communist society in make up, not to mention his ideas of what the individual citizen should look like. if the direction of this country is heading in direction you approve of, the this current president will be remembered fondly in your mind. But if you feel we are headed in the direction of disaster, this president will be remebered by you, (and me) as the worst president since President Carter. My opinion is that this won't take long to confirm.

Blaster
07-29-2012, 20:31
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nR36BdwaElE/Sy_9unZzaFI/AAAAAAAAAOE/JeL82bSjcYc/s1600/george-w-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg

Bodyarmorguy
07-29-2012, 20:33
Even the democrats are turning against him. I read the other day that Jimmy Carter said that Obama was the worst president since Jimmy Carter.

Tx_Angus
07-29-2012, 20:34
Is Obama the worst president ever?

In my lifetimes? Oh Yah, no contest!!!!! :drowning:

noway
07-29-2012, 20:35
Obama is no where the worst Prez

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/historyprofiles/tp/Worst-Presidents-Ever.htm

Snidely Whiplash
07-29-2012, 20:36
The Obama Deception HQ Full length version - YouTube

Watch this in your spare time...

rauldduke1979
07-29-2012, 20:41
The worst president was James Buchanan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

When he left office, we actually had fewer states than when he started.

Obama, Bush, Clinton, whatever. Those guys have a long way to go before they reach the level of incompetence of Buchanan

mj9mm
07-29-2012, 20:41
if his intent is to turn us into france, he's doing a good job

G29Reload
07-29-2012, 20:44
Absolutely not! That distinction belongs to George "Dubya" Bush.

IBTL


I would gouge my eye out with a cake fork and amputate my left testicle with a rusty switchblade and no anesthetic in Time's Square on a Tuesday at noon to have him back.

G29Reload
07-29-2012, 20:45
1. Obama
2. Carter
3. Rooseveldt
4. Wilson
5. Clinton.
6. Johnson

M&P Shooter
07-29-2012, 20:45
I would gouge my eye out with a cake fork and amputate my left testicle with a rusty switchblade and no anesthetic in Time's Square on a Tuesday at noon to have him back.
Did you write the torture scene for Law Abiding Citizen?

G29Reload
07-29-2012, 20:46
Did you write the torture scene for Law Abiding Citizen?

Yes, may I help you?

Anon1
07-29-2012, 20:59
I would measure "worst" by how badly they and their policies have damaged the country and how long those damaging effects have lingered.
....

That is how I would measure it also, and my winner would have to be Clinton.

- Sold military technology, our nuclear "jewels", and dual-use hardware to China for campaign money. The nuclear proliferation, increased accuracy of enemy ICBMs, etc is world changing stuff.

- Helped to allow monopolies to re-emerge that were explicitly broken up in the past. The telecom industry, oil companies, and banks and high finance where allowed to start joining back into giant monopolies.

- The dotcom bubble. An entirely fictitious growth in the "new economy". Not unprecedented growth as portrayed but a massive money shift from everyday middle-class investors to the elite able to get on the ground floor of IPOs.

[add] - His contribution to 9/11. The Clinton admin created the "wall of separation" between intelligence agencies that likely hindered our ability to detect and stop 9/11 from happening. Some of the documents so damning that he sent Sandy Berger to the National Archives to steal top secret documents from history. 9/11 led to wars, costs huge money, etc.

Rooster Rugburn
07-29-2012, 21:05
Obama is no where the worst Prez

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/historyprofiles/tp/Worst-Presidents-Ever.htm

I guess it's a matter of personal perspective. If you love big government, FDR, LBJ, GWB, and BHO were great. If you like limited and restrained government, they were the worst.

If you like socialism and big government, the "Greatest Generation" was the WWII generation. If you are like me and don't like big government, the Revolutionary War generation was the greatest American generation.

M&P Shooter
07-29-2012, 21:07
Yes, may I help you?
Yes need advise for a pain in the :whistling: mother-in-law:rofl:
JK, I think:cool:

brisk21
07-29-2012, 21:20
You are part of the reason why the USA is in the shape it is in.

You don't know history.

And, you don't know that is the decisions that a president makes that affect the future course of a country that is important.

The Misery Index was a result of inflation and unemployment which had their beginnings prior to Carter's presidency. You probably don't know why either.


Jimmy! Is that you?!?! Ladies and gentlemen-----JIMMY CARTER!!!!! right here on glocktalk!!!:rofl:

Paul53
07-29-2012, 21:50
He was put in one of the worst situations ever as a president but most of the people reading this would not understand that at all and I am sure not going to try and convince them on a gun forum.

A voice of reason and reality! Did you see "The Onion" printed on his inauguration day with the headline "Black Man Gets Worst Job in the World!"

JuneyBooney
07-29-2012, 23:46
If Obama is the worst president ever... you can bet on one thing for sure. It's Bush's fault!


:rofl:Carter was bad too. Obama has ruined the economy but it was not his fault..:whistling::faint:

TH237
07-30-2012, 00:29
In response to the original question, "Is Obama the worst president ever".

I give without hesitation nor reservation, YES.

Vic777
07-30-2012, 00:41
Valerie Jarrett is the worst POTUS ever.

DJinNC
07-30-2012, 01:23
IMHO He is a (very) slightly above average president elected when we needed a great president. IMHO an average or below average president would have us at war with Iran and in a depression versus growth (all be it less than acceptable). Not popular to say on a gun site but true.... I dont see a big difference between Rominey and Obama. more frightening than four year of obama is posibly 8 years of rominey Without any real opposition! that would be like obama without opposition....

Dexters
07-30-2012, 07:03
I would say the worst is FDR. FDR was in long enough to really hurt the US and our REPUBLIC. FDR and "the Greatest Generation" are the first generation to leave this nation worse off than they got it. The damage they did with their socialist "gimme" designs will hurt the US for decades after they are gone. IF, it doesn't cause a complete collapse.


FDR is second on my list for what you point out. He was key in the shift for the public looking to the fed gov't & the president to solve problems. And the social welfare state began with him.

Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Mao Tse sun & FDR - think about it.

Blaster
07-30-2012, 07:10
FDR is second on my list for what you point out. He was key in the shift for the public looking to the fed gov't & the president to solve problems. And the social welfare state began with him.


It is kind of hard to ignore Lyndon Johnson and the 'Great Society'. The was a marked turn for the worse that directly correlates to Johnson's program.

Z71bill
07-30-2012, 07:18
Evaluate Obama - or any leader

What did they get done and how much did it cost.

Think Obama saved our economy (not a clear yes or no - but assume he did)

He borrowed almost $5 trillion dollars - and by the time his first term is over - will have DOUBLED our national debt.

Even if you think Obama has done a good job :rofl: you must also recognize he has put the country in a position of great risk because of this massive increase in debt.

If you step back and look at his policy - he wants to spend more NOW - and then CUT things back and raise taxes way out in the future when he is (even with a second term) out of office.

This is a perfect example of the greatest level of presidential cowardice I have ever personally seen - and I was around when Jimmie Carter was POTUS.

G29Reload
07-30-2012, 07:30
I dont see a big difference between Rominey and Obama.

You'd have to be either not very bright, a democrat or extremely intellectually dishonest to think that Romney is a lawless Marxist.

They're not only NOT alike, its not even close.

ChuteTheMall
07-30-2012, 07:40
Yes, Obama is the worst president ever.

He stole trillions of dollars from the future.

Each and every day, he adds another four billion dollars ($4,000,000,000.00) in NEW DEBT.

Who is better off today than 4 years ago?

Steve0853
07-30-2012, 07:47
I agree with LBJ being the worst President......at least in modern times.

His Great Society Programs destroyed the black family at a time when they were finally emerging from the harsh discrimination of Jim Crow and when elimination of most overt discrimination was allowing increased economic and social opportunities.

America will never recover from the giveaways established during his administrations.

LBJ and Robert McNamara knew that the Vietnam War was hopeless at least as early as 1966 and kept feeding US soldiers to it.

Up until a couple years ago, Carter would have been firmly in second place, but Obama has raced past him to claim number two and with the Geometric expansion of national debt, he may nudge LBJ for number one, given another 6 months.

Bilbo Bagins
07-30-2012, 08:01
Personally I think the combo of G.W.Bush and Obama ruined this country.

We elected two presidents in a row that lacked intellgence and common sense that relied too much on staffers and group think. They both look like puppets marching to the beat of their party's power brokers.

W would have been a decent president in peace time but he completely screwed up the war and the hunt for Bin Laden. Also he screw other areas like education, with no child left behind, and the economy.

Obama...If he was a true leader he could have been a great president in some areas. Seriously how can a so called "educated" half African president, create a situation where race relations are WORSE in America. With the election of a president of African decent it was almost like he push the African American community BACKWARDS a step or too. It could have also been a great chance to say we should look at ourselves as American and not by the color of our skin. I give Obama an B+ for changing the war on terror into the war on al Qaeda and closing down Iraq. Other then that Obama was a complete failure. How can you waste so much taxpayers stimulas money on pure BS. Also he was so bullheaded to push a govenment healthcare program and other stricty regulations during what seem to be an worldwide economic depression. Not bright at all.

Definately GW, Obama, and Carter were the top three worse presidents in my lifetime.

If anything at least Mitt is a hope that we will be bringing the smart "Adults" back to the White House.

Dexters
07-30-2012, 08:17
It is kind of hard to ignore Lyndon Johnson and the 'Great Society'. The was a marked turn for the worse that directly correlates to Johnson's program.

LBJ expanded upon what FDR started.

Even financially, FDR is a source for the current housing crisis. He looked at housing for a way out of the depression - started 30 yr mortgages, Fannie Mae etc - future presidents expanded upon that.

mj9mm
07-30-2012, 08:29
Valerie Jarrett is the worst POTUS ever.
she only controls the Obama family jewels:whistling:

Z71bill
07-30-2012, 08:45
FDR is a source for the current housing crisis.

So if a new captain takes over a ship - and it has a leak in the hull -

The ship sinks 3 years latter - original leak was never fixed - 10 more leaks developed --

That is not the current captain's fault - because he inherited a leak?

professorpinki
07-30-2012, 08:47
I'd still put Buchanan as the worst president ever.

YMMV.

Dexters
07-30-2012, 08:57
So if a new captain takes over a ship - and it has a leak in the hull -

The ship sinks 3 years latter - original leak was never fixed - 10 more leaks developed --

That is not the current captain's fault - because he inherited a leak?

You're analogy is incorrect. Primary what is wrong with your analogy is that future presidents didn't see what FDR did as a 'leak'.

A better nautical one would be that FDR built the boat and other presidents got on board and added to the boat - sails, motors (meaning new programs that they added). They, like FDR, thought the boat would take them to financial security - economic growth. But, it hit the rocks of economic reality.

Read up on precedents and and the law. Also, read up on housing presidential initiatives/programs since FDR.

GAFinch
07-30-2012, 09:00
FDR by far. As bad as he's been on this country to this day, it would've been a lot worse if the Supreme Court hadn't started shutting down his programs. Even at that point he had already bought enough voters to create a permanent voting majority, so Congress and over three-quarters of the states had to step in and kick him out via an amendment.

LBJ gets a partial reprieve because he was reacting to race riots.

Zero definitely comes in at number two, since he's a documented lifelong Marxist who's intentionally trying to finish what FDR started. If he gets re-elected and continues expanding welfare programs, he'll create his own permanent voting majority for left wing Democrats. It's easy to implement socialist policies when their contributions to the deficit can be blamed on an economic downturn and you have a majority of the media intentionally aiding and abetting you.

09crue
07-30-2012, 09:01
not only is Obama the worst president ever,he's the greatest con man ever to set foot in the White House..just ask yourself,how many millions of Americans did he con into voting for him!

HexHead
07-30-2012, 09:02
Oh Please, do tell... Why?

(this should be entertaining)

Just some minor things like ignoring habias corpus, imprisoning newspaper editors that were critical of him without charges or a trial, deporting a sitting Congressman that disagreed with him, maneuvering the South into firing on Ft Sumter by trying to resupply it against the advice of his military commanders.

How's that just for starters?

oldgraywolf
07-30-2012, 09:12
Just some minor things like ignoring habias corpus, imprisoning newspaper editors that were critical of him without charges or a trial, deporting a sitting Congressman that disagreed with him, maneuvering the South into firing on Ft Sumter by trying to resupply it against the advice of his military commanders.


Without disagreeing with your points, the nation recovered and went onward. FDR turned us hard left and put us into a spin we haven't been able to get out of.

GAFinch
07-30-2012, 09:15
Very true. My wife voted for JFK in 1960 for two reasons. He was "nice looking" and a Catholic.

As politically incorrect as it is to say it, there were valid reasons that in the past women weren't allowed to vote and a reason that Marxist/nanny state governments took over the globe after women did start voting.

GAFinch
07-30-2012, 09:17
Just some minor things like ignoring habias corpus, imprisoning newspaper editors that were critical of him without charges or a trial, deporting a sitting Congressman that disagreed with him, maneuvering the South into firing on Ft Sumter by trying to resupply it against the advice of his military commanders.

How's that just for starters?

Using that criteria, I'd imagine Thomas Jefferson is second on your list.

Z71bill
07-30-2012, 09:23
You're analogy is incorrect. Primary what is wrong with your analogy is that future presidents didn't see what FDR did as a 'leak'.

A better nautical one would be that FDR built the boat and other presidents got on board and added to the boat - sails, motors (meaning new programs that they added). They, like FDR, thought the boat would take them to financial security - economic growth. But, it hit the rocks of economic reality.

Read up on precedents and and the law. Also, read up on housing presidential initiatives/programs since FDR.

A leak is still a leak -

You think if a captain sees water inside his ship and doesn't recognize it as a problem - that allows him to not take responsibility for it? :upeyes:

Or maybe - he doesn't see the leak at all - too busy to look - has more important things to do - like blow the horn and wave at people on the shore.

Just because the other captains were not smart enough to see the obvious - ship taking on water - they are still responsible for the ship.

Obama as captain - sees the leak as a benefit

Look we now have a swimming pool in the ship - let's punch a few more holes so we can make the water deeper. :rofl:

Dexters
07-30-2012, 09:25
Without disagreeing with your points, the nation recovered and went onward. FDR turned us hard left and put us into a spin we haven't been able to get out of.

The major thing Wilson did was lie to the US public. He campaigned on - keeping the USA our of WWI and then a few months after getting elected for the 2nd term entered the war. That is once source of today's current problems in the middle east. Research how Eng & France divided it up after WWI

He also re-segregated the armed forces.

trackstar55
07-30-2012, 09:27
What made Carter so bad?

He bankrupted nearly every small farmer in the midwest.

Also, interest rates under him for a 30 year fixed home loan was like %20

And that is just for starters.....Carter was one of the worst EVER.

oldgraywolf
07-30-2012, 09:29
The major thing Wilson did was lie to the US public. He campaigned on - keeping the USA our of WWI and then a few months after getting elected for the 2nd term entered the war. That is once source of today's current problems in the middle east. Research how Eng & France divided it up after WWI

He also re-segregated the armed forces.

I don't recall mentioning Wilson, was replying to a post regarding Lincoln.

Dexters
07-30-2012, 09:35
A leak is still a leak -

You think if a captain sees water inside his ship and doesn't recognize it as a problem - that allows him to not take responsibility for it? :upeyes:

Or maybe - he doesn't see the leak at all - too busy to look - has more important things to do - like blow the horn and wave at people on the shore.

Just because the other captains were not smart enough to see the obvious - ship taking on water - they are still responsible for the ship.

Obama as captain - sees the leak as a benefit

Look we now have a swimming pool in the ship - let's punch a few more holes so we can make the water deeper. :rofl:

If you are going to participate in these discussions you need to be able to see where you are wrong.

What you are doing is called a false premise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise

Read up on how to make a logical presentation.

Good luck with your education.

Dexters
07-30-2012, 09:37
I don't recall mentioning Wilson, was replying to a post regarding Lincoln.

Sorry, my mistake I misread the person you were replying to.

Dexters
07-30-2012, 09:42
He bankrupted nearly every small farmer in the midwest.

Also, interest rates under him for a 30 year fixed home loan was like %20

And that is just for starters.....Carter was one of the worst EVER.

You are wrong. The interest rates were a result of the guns & butter policies of LBJ & Nixon, higher oil prices, and newer German/Japan factories that were more efficient then the US factories that did not modernize.

oldgraywolf
07-30-2012, 09:43
Sorry, my mistake I misread the person you were replying to.

Hey, you'd probably still be a better President than any of those we're discussing...:wavey:

frank4570
07-30-2012, 10:19
Could somebody please give some specific examples of what Obama has done that makes him the worst? Obamacare, sure I get that. But what else?

DJinNC
07-30-2012, 10:30
Could somebody please give some specific examples of what Obama has done that makes him the worst? Obamacare, sure I get that. But what else?

the non-talking points answer. First Obama like Clinton is a Midwest Democrat that's not nearly as liberal as a typical northeastern Democrats do we had in the 70s. Therefore to make him stand out as a liberal the whisper campaign had to start that he was somehow foreign that he wasn't American that's the type you want to put on him, because he smart he can't really be black or he must be a Muslim plant. In actuality by pure in action he's done more pro-gun that anyone inthe last 16 years but for some reason the word is still out there that he's going to "take away your guns. He has not raise taxes Obamacare was up mistake huge mistake he is not been a foreign-policy mistake that everyone said he was going to be. to be quite honest hasn't done anything and that in itself would probably be the reason he should not be reelected. For the sake of argument there will be those spitting out this without anything to back it up: he's the worst president ever because he's a Marxist is a communist he's not American he's a hidden Muslim and he is throwing anything else and then it can't be substantiated.

glocking26
07-30-2012, 10:56
What made Carter so bad?

Gas lines for starters

Captain Steinbrenner
07-30-2012, 11:19
Dubya is the worst!
And don't forget, we have Obozzo on the WH because of him period.
The guy should be rotting in a jail cell with all his "buddies"...

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Z71bill
07-30-2012, 11:24
If you are going to participate in these discussions you need to be able to see where you are wrong.

What you are doing is called a false premise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise

Read up on how to make a logical presentation.

Good luck with your education.

You say

Originally Posted by Dexters

FDR is a source for the current housing crisis.

So every POTUS after that COULD have changed policy - but didn't.

FDR created a leaky ship - all the presidents after him either had to -

Not see a leaky ship as a problem - or

Not even recognize they had a leaky ship.

Both of these are bad --

As a manager/leader

Not fixing a problem just because it is a result of prior bad decisions is STILL bad.

Not even noticing there is a problem - also just as bad.

RIGHT?

Obama takes it to a new level of incompetence - he doesn't see we have a leaky ship - would not care if he did see the leak - his solution is to punch more holes in the hull so we sink faster.

BuckyP
07-30-2012, 12:31
My vote is Obama, for his complete and utter disregard for the Constitution. Beetch all you want about Iraq, Bush got congressional approval for that war. Unlike our involvement in Libya.

In addition:

The Czars

Declaring Congress in recess so he can skip the approval process for his appointments... TWICE.

Ignoring the Court decision on the off shore drilling moratorium.

Freezing illegal immigration enforcement (oh, was I suppose to call them dreamers now?).

That is how I would measure it also, and my winner would have to be Clinton.

- Sold military technology, our nuclear "jewels", and dual-use hardware to China for campaign money. The nuclear proliferation, increased accuracy of enemy ICBMs, etc is world changing stuff.

- Helped to allow monopolies to re-emerge that were explicitly broken up in the past. The telecom industry, oil companies, and banks and high finance where allowed to start joining back into giant monopolies.

- The dotcom bubble. An entirely fictitious growth in the "new economy". Not unprecedented growth as portrayed but a massive money shift from everyday middle-class investors to the elite able to get on the ground floor of IPOs.

[add] - His contribution to 9/11. The Clinton admin created the "wall of separation" between intelligence agencies that likely hindered our ability to detect and stop 9/11 from happening. Some of the documents so damning that he sent Sandy Berger to the National Archives to steal top secret documents from history. 9/11 led to wars, costs huge money, etc.

You know, I was going to question people listing Clinton, even in the top 4. The reality is, he did a lot of good. Of course, loosing the house and senate, and having to triangulate drove him to do good things (welfare reform, reducing government). Thanks for reminding me of some of the bad. Still, BO is still much worse IMO.

Numismatist
07-30-2012, 12:44
Obama is the worst president of all history! How can this anti-american be re-elected? It blows my mind.

Fixed it for 'ya!

Sendarr
07-30-2012, 13:06
the non-talking points answer. First Obama like Clinton is a Midwest Democrat that's not nearly as liberal as a typical northeastern Democrats do we had in the 70s. Therefore to make him stand out as a liberal the whisper campaign had to start that he was somehow foreign that he wasn't American that's the type you want to put on him, because he smart he can't really be black or he must be a Muslim plant. In actuality by pure in action he's done more pro-gun that anyone inthe last 16 years but for some reason the word is still out there that he's going to "take away your guns. He has not raise taxes Obamacare was up mistake huge mistake he is not been a foreign-policy mistake that everyone said he was going to be. to be quite honest hasn't done anything and that in itself would probably be the reason he should not be reelected. For the sake of argument there will be those spitting out this without anything to back it up: he's the worst president ever because he's a Marxist is a communist he's not American he's a hidden Muslim and he is throwing anything else and then it can't be substantiated.

Thanks for a good laugh, I was having a boring day.

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Dexters
07-30-2012, 17:17
You say

Originally Posted by Dexters

FDR is a source for the current housing crisis.

So every POTUS after that COULD have changed policy - but didn't.

FDR created a leaky ship - all the presidents after him either had to -

Not see a leaky ship as a problem - or

Not even recognize they had a leaky ship.

Both of these are bad --

As a manager/leader

Not fixing a problem just because it is a result of prior bad decisions is STILL bad.

Not even noticing there is a problem - also just as bad.

RIGHT?

Obama takes it to a new level of incompetence - he doesn't see we have a leaky ship - would not care if he did see the leak - his solution is to punch more holes in the hull so we sink faster.

You missed the point as I was afraid you would do.

You use faulty reasoning. And you do not recognize it.

And because of that you can be manipulated by politicians and pundits when they use faulty reasoning.

Good luck with that my friend.

Bruce H
07-30-2012, 17:41
FDR followed by LBJ with Nixon as runner up. Wilson was a lying politician. Buchanan was just being Buchanan. Totally out of his depth. Obama isn't in the running. Things were set in motion that end ran anything he did.

jeanderson
07-30-2012, 19:21
is obama possibly the worst president of all history?

yes!!!!

General Lee
07-30-2012, 19:27
Yes, the worst ever. I have disagreed with decisions other presidents have made . But he is the first one I am ashamed of.
Reagan inherited the worst economic climate we have ever experienced as a country and he grew the economy and the GDP all while not whining about it being Carters fault.
And yes I realize by posting this I am now a racist, bigot,narrow minded idiot.

G29Reload
07-30-2012, 20:08
Obama holds the record for abject lawlessness. that alone puts him in a special category of evil.

fast and furious
not prosecuting the black panther voter intimidation case
not enforcing immigration law
not enforcing DOMA

Theres a list. more than i can recall at the moment.

FDR for his socialist plans, stacking the supreme court, naiveté regarding the soviets

Johnson for balancing the budget by raiding SS

Wilson for his progressive lies, i think the income tax is on him too.

Carter, case closed. lived thru it, the failure inhte dessert, the cowardice regarding the iranians.

clinton, some things already listed in this thread, particularly sale of tech to the chinese.

Aux Bear
07-30-2012, 20:15
yes!!!!


+1,000,000

Z71bill
07-30-2012, 20:18
You missed the point as I was afraid you would do.

You use faulty reasoning. And you do not recognize it.

And because of that you can be manipulated by politicians and pundits when they use faulty reasoning.

Good luck with that my friend.

Your point is easy to miss -

Then explain where my logic is wrong - without wikipedia if you can - :tongueout:


You claim FDR caused the current housing problem - he has been dead for more than 65 years - with what 12 other presidents since then?

So none of the other 12 saw the problem - or they ignored the problem - or just did not care about it - or like Obama MADE IT WORSE.

That is OK with you - blame the guy that died 65+ years ago - don't hold the current POTUS responsible anything - then wonder why we have such a mess -

:dunno:

Let me check wikipedia see if they have any answers.:rofl:

Dexters
07-30-2012, 20:20
Then explain where my logic is wrong - without wikipedia if you can - :tongueout:




Why?...

Z71bill
07-30-2012, 20:25
Why?...

Because it will be fun. :wavey:

Dexters
07-30-2012, 20:34
Because it will be fun. :wavey:

Q: Why did the chicken cross the playground?

FFR Spyder GT
07-30-2012, 20:48
Absolutely not! That distinction belongs to George "Dubya" Bush.

IBTL

+1!!!!

Worst POTUS ever: ( in order )

George "Dubya" Bush. AKA Lil' George, Bush the Lesser, or Bush the Worser

Ron Reagan

George Bush. AKA Big George

Richard "Tricky Dicky" Nixon

Gerald Ford

Lyndon B. Johnson AKA LBJ

Jimmy Carter

HexHead
07-30-2012, 20:54
Without disagreeing with your points, the nation recovered and went onward.

That we recovered is arguable.

Z71bill
07-30-2012, 21:26
Q: Why did the chicken cross the playground?

To play on the monkey bars - and have FUN? :cool:

Maybe start off slow -

You claim FDR is to blame for the current housing problems -

Do you think the policy FDR started (65+ years ago) was the correct one - or was it faulty?

Faulty = leaky ship.:supergrin:

If it was the correct policy - then how can you blame him for the current crisis?

You see the problem?

Hard to say he was responsible for the problem - but had the correct policy.

G29Reload
07-30-2012, 21:28
+1!!!!

Worst POTUS ever: ( in order )

George "Dubya" Bush. AKA Lil' George, Bush the Lesser, or Bush the Worser

Ron Reagan

George Bush. AKA Big George

Richard "Tricky Dicky" Nixon

Gerald Ford

Lyndon B. Johnson AKA LBJ

Jimmy Carter

well the liberal troll has spoken.:upeyes:

Foxtrotx1
07-30-2012, 21:59
Say now, who was president when we lost the right to purchase newly manufactured machine guns????

FFR Spyder GT
07-30-2012, 22:23
well the liberal troll has spoken.:upeyes:

When you have to resort to personal attacks it means I'm right and you cannot come up with a reasonable argument.

Spyder

P.S. Isn't personal attacks against GT's rules?

Streetking
07-31-2012, 00:09
right as rain

Streetking
07-31-2012, 00:13
I'm 60 years old as of this month. I've seen a few Preidents in my time and it' just my opinion but I'd say the top three..in order:

Obama
Obama
Obama

the others are not even contenders. Even with Carter I didn't expect the Constitution to go out the window.

Streetking
07-31-2012, 00:15
That be FDR?

Streetking
07-31-2012, 00:19
Yes, the worst ever. I have disagreed with decisions other presidents have made . But he is the first one I am ashamed of.
Reagan inherited the worst economic climate we have ever experienced as a country and he grew the economy and the GDP all while not whining about it being Carters fault.
And yes I realize by posting this I am now a racist, bigot,narrow minded idiot.

If you're a white man you're all of those things no questions asked.

BuckyP
07-31-2012, 00:52
+1!!!!

Worst POTUS ever: ( in order )

George "Dubya" Bush. AKA Lil' George, Bush the Lesser, or Bush the Worser

Ron Reagan

George Bush. AKA Big George

Richard "Tricky Dicky" Nixon

Gerald Ford

Lyndon B. Johnson AKA LBJ

Jimmy Carter

Seriously? Then why does BOTH sides try to claim to be like Reagan? Obama has claimed this on several occasions (though nothing could be further from the truth).

The country must of thought so too, with him barely squeaking by in his reelection effort (dang that 1 state). :upeyes:

well the liberal troll has spoken.:upeyes:

Hard to argue with that.

Dexters
07-31-2012, 04:51
To play on the monkey bars - and have FUN? :cool:



A: To get to the other slide.

series1811
07-31-2012, 06:49
+1!!!!

Worst POTUS ever: ( in order )

George "Dubya" Bush. AKA Lil' George, Bush the Lesser, or Bush the Worser

Ron Reagan

George Bush. AKA Big George

Richard "Tricky Dicky" Nixon

Gerald Ford

Lyndon B. Johnson AKA LBJ

Jimmy Carter

Of course liberals hate Reagan. He destroyed the Soviet Union, the worker's paradise.

Z71bill
07-31-2012, 07:28
A: To get to the other slide.

Maybe the monkey bars are on the other side. :tongueout:

Bilbo Bagins
07-31-2012, 07:31
Of course liberals hate Reagan. He destroyed the Soviet Union, the worker's paradise.


Please, Reagan had little to do with the Soviet collapse. Here is a clue back when it happened everyone in with Bush admin was in complete shock and had zero intel that it was coming. It really did matter that Reagan was in the White House, the Afghanistan proxy war would have still happened regardless who was the President.

1) Reagan fought Contras in central America and released US hostages by creating an arms deal with Iranian terrorist.

2) He gave Amnesty to millions of illegal Mexicans

3) in 1981 he put us in a recession and we had over 10% unemployment.

4) Reagan bailed out Chrysler with US taxpayer money.

5) He increased the size and scope of the Federal goverment, increased governement spending and put the government in Debt.

Even though factions of the GOP idolize Reagan, his record shows that he was much more liberal then you think.

series1811
07-31-2012, 07:36
Please, Reagan had little to do with the Soviet collapse. Here is a clue back when it happened everyone in with Bush admin was in complete shock and had zero intel that it was coming. It really did matter that Reagan was in the White House, the Afghanistan proxy war would have still happened regardless who was the President.

1) Reagan fought Contras in central America and released US hostages by creating an arms deal with Iranian terrorist.

2) He gave Amnesty to millions of illegal Mexicans

3) in 1981 he put us in a recession and we had over 10% unemployment.

4) Reagan bailed out Chrysler with US taxpayer money.

5) He increased the size and scope of the Federal goverment, increased governement spending and put the government in Debt.

Even though factions of the GOP idolize Reagan, his record shows that he was much more liberal then you think.

How old are you? Did you actually live through the Reagan years as a working taxpayer? I did, and it was the time of my life.

I love that liberals hate that Reagan brought down the Soviet Union and won't even admit it.

Again, how old are you? I'm betting you read about it instead of living it (and, I lived through Jimmy Carter, as a working, tax paying adult, too, who is about the closest thing we have to Obama in my lifetime).

Bilbo Bagins
07-31-2012, 08:11
How old are you? Did you actually live through the Reagan years as a working taxpayer? I did, and it was the time of my life.

I love that liberals hate that Reagan brought down the Soviet Union and won't even admit it.

Again, how old are you? I'm betting you read about it instead of living it (and, I lived through Jimmy Carter, as a working, tax paying adult, too, who is about the closest thing we have to Obama in my lifetime).

Yes I did. Dad was laid off and were were dirt poor in the early 1980's

Also thanks to Reagan when I got my first job during high school I had to pay taxes. Remember Reagan got rid of the income Tax exemption for full time students. I worked full time and went to school full time, and that was a kick in the teeth.

I voted for him but he was a not the president everyone made him out to be. Granted Carter was worse for the economy, but Reagan was NO hero, especially what he did with cutting deals with Iranian TERRORIST

series1811
07-31-2012, 08:12
Yes I did. Dad was laid off and were were dirt poor in the early 1980's

Also thanks to Reagan when I got my first job during high school I had to pay taxes. Remember Reagan got rid of the income Tax exemption for full time students. I worked full time and went to school full time, and that was a kick in the teeth.

I voted for him but he was a not the president everyone made him out to be. Granted Carter was worse for the economy, but Reagan was NO hero, especially what he did with cutting deals with Iranian TERRORIST

In high school. And, even younger when Carter was President. That's what I thought.

BuckyP
07-31-2012, 08:38
In high school. And, even younger when Carter was President. That's what I thought.

Well to be fair, I think most of us were younger when Carter was president, than when Reagan was president. :tongueout:

:kidding:

Foxtrotx1
08-02-2012, 09:01
In high school. And, even younger when Carter was President. That's what I thought.

Wow, he presents an awesome counter point and you write him off because he wasn't balding at the time?

You are a classy dude.

aircarver
08-02-2012, 09:04
He was merely determining: Producer or leech.

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series1811
08-02-2012, 16:39
Wow, he presents an awesome counter point and you write him off because he wasn't balding at the time?

You are a classy dude.

It's one thing to be a taxpaying adult and think a President's administration was bad. It's another to be a kid, and really not affected at all.

Credibility is what gives an opinion value. Another one of those things you only appreciate with age after you have some credibility.

nraman
08-02-2012, 19:15
Say now, who was president when we lost the right to purchase newly manufactured machine guns????

A president from the same party as the one that prohibited the importation of semi auto rifles, opening the door for Clinton to take the next step with the domestic rifles.
A president who said that the US can do well with service industries and we don't need manufacturing and allowed foreign "dumping" that destroyed many US industries. Allowed the Japanese to sell their cars here but did not mind that the Japanese would not allow us to sell anything there. He got some Japanese money as speaking fees for his ideas.
He was good at making speeches.

Kablam
08-02-2012, 21:37
Please, Reagan had little to do with the Soviet collapse. Here is a clue back when it happened everyone in with Bush admin was in complete shock and had zero intel that it was coming.

Uh oh. Apparently you missed what happened to the military during the Carter years, then how it massively recovered during the Reagan years. That, along with the massive technological advances made in strategic weapons systems that was finally funded is what caused the Soviet collapse. I won't deny it was expensive, but ending the cold war, putting it hold actually, was acknowledged as a worthy goal and successfully accomplished. It's okay to disagree with the "worthiness" of the effort, but your statement quoted is patently false.

IvanVic
08-03-2012, 00:09
Is Obama possibly the worst president of all history? How can this anti-american be re-elected? It blows my mind.

Yes, he is, and he could be reelected because people want more of what they perceive to be "free" crap.

engineer151515
08-03-2012, 01:05
Obama is the most socially divisive President I've ever personally witnessed.

His Marxist philosophies, uncontrolled debt spending, economic failures and class warfare rhetoric will be the seeds for decades of future riots. And the blame will lie squarely on the shoulders of President Barack Hussein Obama and the clowns of the Democrat Party.

The America I see coming will be hungry, marginally employed, socially disintegrated into protective gangs and reliant on a self serving, self empowered .govt bureaucracy. Current and historical examples of this are everywhere.

America learned nothing from experience of Katrina flooded New Orleans. Masses of the .govt dependent will be wailing from economic overpasses in a devastated land, blaming everyone but themselves for their lack of salvation.

JFrame
08-03-2012, 05:16
It's hard to imagine two worse presidents than such racist pigs as Woodrow Wilson (promoted segregationism, imposed the income tax, promoted world governance through the League of Nations) or FDR (imprisoned 110,000 Americans without due process or a host of other rights "guaranteed" in the BOR) -- but I can certainly give Obama strong dishonorable mention.

Isn't it interesting that -- at least from the 20th century on -- the worst racists in the White House have been progressive leftist Democrats?


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kirgi08
08-03-2012, 05:42
While I don't agree with what FDR did,it may have saved some american lives.The anti Japanese sentiment was at a fever pitch after pearl harbor.'08.

IvanVic
08-03-2012, 05:43
His Marxist philosophies, uncontrolled debt spending, economic failures and class warfare rhetoric will be the seeds for decades of future riots. And the blame will lie squarely on the shoulders of President Barack Hussein Obama and the clowns of the Democrat Party.



Our problems are still very fixable. I tend to think that blaming past Presidents for current problems, assuming those problems are fixable, is unproductive. When Obama is kicked out of office, it will be the job of the next President to repair the damage.

JFrame
08-03-2012, 05:45
While I don't agree with what FDR did,it may have saved some american lives.The anti Japanese sentiment was at a fever pitch after pearl harbor.'08.


Yeah, but you don't throw away the Constitution because of what might happen.


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kirgi08
08-03-2012, 06:11
I think it would have happened.I agree about the fact he did violate the cotus without due process.Why the scotus didn't intervene is beyond me.'08.

JFrame
08-03-2012, 06:18
I think it would have happened.I agree about the fact he did violate the cotus without due process.Why the scotus didn't intervene is beyond me.'08.

So instead of protecting them, you give 110,000 Americans a month to divest all their worldly belongings, including their homes; tell them they're allowed two suitcases each; and ship them off to desert hell-holes (excuse me -- "relocation centers" -- gotta love those progressive euphemisms) in Arizona, Utah, Colorado, etc., for their own good.

But that's war, right? I trust we never have to slide down that slippery slope again.

As far as the SCOTUS -- hell, FDR demanded the "right" to place justices of his own choosing, no questions asked. Yet another reason he makes my "worst" list.


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kirgi08
08-03-2012, 06:34
I agree with the worst "list".As I said I don't condone his acts,he also did the same ta other nationalities.'08.

JFrame
08-03-2012, 06:36
I agree with the worst "list".As I said I don't condone his acts,he also did the same ta other nationalities.'08.

Indeed -- Americans of German and Italian extraction didn't escape his wrath either.


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rgregoryb
08-03-2012, 06:47
undoubtedly, yes and I was a voting adult at the time of Carter....bought a house at 18.75%

series1811
08-03-2012, 07:18
undoubtedly, yes and I was a voting adult at the time of Carter....bought a house at 18.75%

The jury is still out with me on whether Obama or Carter was the worst President that I lived through as an adult.

Carter and Obama are both cut from the same mold, that's for sure. Unqualified, naive as hell about the world, and surrounded by incompetent staff, with no plan other than an inept, and ineffective, ad hoc response to every developing crisis.

Snaps
08-03-2012, 07:46
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BuckyP
08-03-2012, 08:52
Carter and Obama are both cut from the same mold, that's for sure. Unqualified, naive as hell about the world, and surrounded by incompetent staff, with no plan other than an inept, and ineffective, ad hoc response to every developing crisis.


While there are great similarities in their fiscal policies, I see a vast difference between the two regarding their motives, intentions, and overall character.

I expect this to become even more apparent, when we have a chance to compare the two post presidency.

evlbruce
08-03-2012, 11:09
Got to be FDR. Just about everything that's wrong with country was started, systemized, or permanently entrenched in the New Dealer's administration.

Even though factions of the GOP idolize Reagan, his record shows that he was much more liberal then you think.

To be fair, Reagan is the best president we've had since Coolidge.

Kablam
08-03-2012, 11:45
I'm not beating the drum for Reagan, although I did and still do like him better than most politicians, but if we want to compare him to others, let's use O. They both inherited an economic mess. Reagan inherited a neutered military in the midst of the cold war. At that time there was a real possiblity that we could be militarily defeated by an adversary, unlike at anytime since. The country still had a Viet Nam hangover, still had a Nixon hangover, hostages in Iran... Difference between the two? Reagan didn't whine about it, he did something about those problems. He instilled pride in our nation that had been pissed away by the likes of LBJ, Nixon, Carter. That may be his greatest legacy...he made people proud to be Americans. He united the people instead of trying to divide them. He won 49 of the 57 :supergrin: states in his re-election bid. Can't say that about O now can we? Was he the best president ever. Probably not. Clearly not the worst as some would like to say. But I grew up in the 60s and 70s, rode submarines in the 70s and 80s, and he's the best one in my life time.

Sendarr
08-03-2012, 12:20
I'm not beating the drum for Reagan, although I did and still do like him better than most politicians, but if we want to compare him to others, let's use O. They both inherited an economic mess. Reagan inherited a neutered military in the midst of the cold war. At that time there was a real possiblity that we could be militarily defeated by an adversary, unlike at anytime since. The country still had a Viet Nam hangover, still had a Nixon hangover, hostages in Iran... Difference between the two? Reagan didn't whine about it, he did something about those problems. He instilled pride in our nation that had been pissed away by the likes of LBJ, Nixon, Carter. That may be his greatest legacy...he made people proud to be Americans. He united the people instead of trying to divide them. He won 49 of the 57 :supergrin: states in his re-election bid. Can't say that about O now can we? Was he the best president ever. Probably not. Clearly not the worst as some would like to say. But I grew up in the 60s and 70s, rode submarines in the 70s and 80s, and he's the best one in my life time.
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