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Patchman
08-01-2012, 15:54
What's the problem...? it's not like he screamed "FIRE" at a crowded movie theater. :whistling:

The guy was originally seated at the back of the theater. He later got up and went up and down the stairways several times before getting into an argument with another moviegoer.

He then left the theater only to return later wearing gloves. When he started yelling out "THIS IS IT" from the back of the room, the theater emptied out rather quickly.


Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/the-dark-knight-rises-batman-movie-panic-at-the-regal-south-beach-theater-florida-man-arrested#ixzz22Kk63tXi

Miami Gator
08-01-2012, 17:17
Wow. I've been to that theater before.

RussP
08-01-2012, 18:42
Good post...

Keoking
08-01-2012, 18:47
If a frightened CHLer had shot the dude, I would be interested to see how that played out in the media and the courts.

Patchman
08-01-2012, 19:01
Wow. I've been to that theater before.

To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?

Mister_Beefy
08-01-2012, 19:33
pretty silly that this caused a panic.


a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals

Bruce M
08-01-2012, 19:38
To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?

Licenses are issued at the state level. Florida was sort of a bit earlier than some of the other "shall issue" states.

4Rules
08-01-2012, 21:24
pretty silly that this caused a panic.


a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals

:whistling:

Balancing Dangers: an Interview with John Farnam
http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Network_2012-2.pdf (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Network_2012-2.pdf)

HerrGlock
08-02-2012, 01:24
a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals

Alright, Tommy Lee...

wprebeck
08-02-2012, 02:52
pretty silly that this caused a panic.


a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals

Without asking questions that would make Russ upset with me, I'll simply pose this question: was there a recent event in a theater that made national headlines and resulted in the death of 12 people and the injuries of several dozen more? Yeah, I can't imagine why people might be on edge in theaters right now, especially if a jerkoff is causing problems and acts in the manner described in the article.

Mister_Beefy
08-02-2012, 04:01
Without asking questions that would make Russ upset with me, I'll simply pose this question: was there a recent event in a theater that made national headlines and resulted in the death of 12 people and the injuries of several dozen more? Yeah, I can't imagine why people might be on edge in theaters right now, especially if a jerkoff is causing problems and acts in the manner described in the article.


well gosh, aren't you just a paradigm of self control.

if someone started yelling in a movie you were in would you panic and run for the door?

yeah, me neither.

jph02
08-02-2012, 06:59
Woah! Uncle Festus gone Jack Nicholson in The Shining crazy...
http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2012/07/31/man_20120731145857_320_240.JPG

If a frightened CHLer had shot the dude, I would be interested to see how that played out in the media and the courts.
I'd say it would not be pretty. Despite the mug shot, there was no immediate or unavoidable danger of death or grievous bodily harm. According to Massad Ayoob's all-states rule (http://simplyaboutguns.com/justified-use-of-deadly-force/):The use of deadly force is justified if there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or crippling to an innocent.

To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?
2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?
No guns signs do not have force of law in FL (http://handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf) so this becomes more a matter of respecting the property owner's right to control his property than a matter of law. It may well become a trespass issue once a carrier is asked to leave, however.

RussP
08-02-2012, 07:07
Everyone needs to read this.

For some, it will be new information.

For others, it will be a reminder.


Balancing Dangers: an Interview with John Farnam

http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Network_2012-2.pdf[/B] (http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/images/stories/Network_2012-2.pdf)

Brucev
08-02-2012, 07:30
Without asking questions that would make Russ upset with me, I'll simply pose this question: was there a recent event in a theater that made national headlines and resulted in the death of 12 people and the injuries of several dozen more? Yeah, I can't imagine why people might be on edge in theaters right now, especially if a jerkoff is causing problems and acts in the manner described in the article.

You got it right. The only problem is that with reference to the OP, being right is not at issue. The OP wants to whine about the refusal of the vast majority of Americans to embrace a mythical wild west social structure. The OP is afraid that the recent mass killing in Co. will lead to the restriction of the 2nd Amendment and other attendant rights such as cc, etc. He pretends that the people in the theater incident he referenced acted inappropriately. And everyone is supposed to assume that had he been present, he would have immediately popped rounds at perceived threats as he bravely stood his ground. Yeh. Assuming that they did not shoot him down, wonder what he would have been thinking/saying as the police cuffed him and took him off to jail? Oh yeh... he'd be saying, "I was standing my ground!" Yeh.

fuzzy03cls
08-02-2012, 07:34
If a frightened CHLer had shot the dude, I would be interested to see how that played out in the media and the courts.
Then he would be arrested & charged & put through the ringer. "frightened" is not a situation you can use your gun by FL statutes.

What I don't get is the bond is reported at $8K..the charge is disorderly conduct? That makes zero sense.

John Rambo
08-02-2012, 08:03
To cement the OP - Carry Issue nexus, let me ask:

1. Is this FL county "CCW" issuance friendly?


Its about as unfriendly to the 2A as you'll get in Florida. However, thanks to Governor Skeletor, we have laws prohibiting them from legislating their disrespect for our right to bear arms.


2. Are there any "Guns Prohibited" signs at the theater?Most have them. None carry criminal penalties. But they can tell you to leave and you must leave, of course.

RussP
08-02-2012, 10:40
You got it right.
The only problem is that with reference to the OP, being right is not at issue.


The OP wants to whine about the refusal of the vast majority of Americans to embrace a mythical wild west social structure.


The OP is afraid that the recent mass killing in Co. will lead to the restriction of the 2nd Amendment and other attendant rights such as cc, etc.


He pretends that the people in the theater incident he referenced acted inappropriately.


And everyone is supposed to assume that had he been present, he would have immediately popped rounds at perceived threats as he bravely stood his ground.


Yeh.


Assuming that they did not shoot him down, wonder what he would have been thinking/saying as the police cuffed him and took him off to jail?


Oh yeh... he'd be saying, "I was standing my ground!" Yeh.
You got all that from:What's the problem...? it's not like he screamed "FIRE" at a crowded movie theater. :whistling:

The guy was originally seated at the back of the theater. He later got up and went up and down the stairways several times before getting into an argument with another moviegoer.

He then left the theater only to return later wearing gloves. When he started yelling out "THIS IS IT" from the back of the room, the theater emptied out rather quickly.


Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/the-dark-knight-rises-batman-movie-panic-at-the-regal-south-beach-theater-florida-man-arrested#ixzz22Kk63tXiHow'd you do that?

wjv
08-02-2012, 15:21
Not only do we need to ban guns. . We also need to ban no guns. . . Or something like that. . . :dunno:

eracer
08-02-2012, 15:27
How about we simply beat anyone stupid enough to imply that they are going to start shooting people in a theater just weeks after a crazed killer actually did it.

Honestly, anyone who defends Uncle Festus' actions in the South Beach theater is a troll. Because it's indefensible by any reasonable person.

glockaviator
08-03-2012, 08:47
There is no way to make life "risk free".

Mayhem like Me
08-03-2012, 08:49
pretty silly that this caused a panic.


a person is smart, people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals

you stole my line....

Mister_Beefy
08-04-2012, 00:00
Alright, Tommy Lee...


yeah, you going to go upbraid ohio copper for quoting robert deniro in this thread?

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1435257&page=7

if not, then zip it. :supergrin:

JuneyBooney
08-04-2012, 12:55
Woah! Uncle Festus gone Jack Nicholson in The Shining crazy...
http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2012/07/31/man_20120731145857_320_240.JPG


I'd say it would not be pretty. Despite the mug shot, there was no immediate or unavoidable danger of death or grievous bodily harm. According to Massad Ayoob's all-states rule (http://simplyaboutguns.com/justified-use-of-deadly-force/):


No guns signs do not have force of law in FL (http://handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf) so this becomes more a matter of respecting the property owner's right to control his property than a matter of law. It may well become a trespass issue once a carrier is asked to leave, however.

He does look crazy. What I am wondering is if someone had shot him if they would have been charged.:whistling:

Bruce M
08-04-2012, 16:35
Interviewed after his release, "Uncle Festus" put on his gloves and got on his skateboard for the interview.

Patchman
08-04-2012, 16:59
He does look crazy. What I am wondering is if someone had shot him if they would have been charged.:whistling:

He reminds me of one of those WWF (or whatever) wrestlers on TV from the 1970s. Not Andre the Giant but one of his contemporaries. :rofl:

JuneyBooney
08-04-2012, 20:43
He reminds me of one of those WWF (or whatever) wrestlers on TV from the 1970s. Not Andre the Giant but one of his contemporaries. :rofl:

:rofl:He looks freaking nuts to me. I bet if the patrons had stomped him a bit because they were "in fear for their lives' that no charges would have been filed. :whistling: I guess he could have been a wrestler when he was "sane".

Jon_R
08-05-2012, 20:23
He does look crazy. What I am wondering is if someone had shot him if they would have been charged.:whistling:

They would probably have been arrested. There is no duty to retreat in FL but the use of deadly force is a reasonable person be in fear of death or serious bodily harm. I am not sure you can include someone a few weeks ago somewhere else in the country did something bad as part of the reasonable part but a lawyer would certainly try.

Without being able to use the Aurora as part of your justification all you have is someone acting strange, wearing gloves, and saying "this is it". It would be uphill saying it is reasonable to feel death or serious bodily harm is eminent.