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Kingarthurhk
08-05-2012, 12:52
http://www.666truth.org/

steveksux
08-05-2012, 14:18
Actually, 666 is not the mark of the beast.

2000 (millenium) divided by 3 (Holy Trinity) = 666.6666666666..

That should really be rounded up to 667. Its just that the early disciples weren't math majors, and Roman numerals don't lend themselves to infinite repeating decimals...

Randy

dbcooper
08-05-2012, 15:20
667, the neighbor of the beast

Syclone538
08-05-2012, 21:31
I'm not sure why I clicked on the link, with no question or commentary in the op, but I did.

I'm not going to watch an hour long video, can you just tell me the name at the end?

herose
08-05-2012, 21:36
originally posted by dbcooper
667, the neighbor of the beast

:rofl: That's just funny right there, I don't care who you are. :rofl:

void *
08-05-2012, 21:41
667, the neighbor of the beast

If only Weird Al had done *that* song ...

Inebriated
08-05-2012, 23:16
666 - Numberphile - YouTube

Tilley
08-06-2012, 01:02
667, the neighbor of the beast

:rofl:Brilliant...:rofl:

GreenDrake
08-06-2012, 04:05
Actually it's 668, 667 lives across the street. You haven't heard of Travis Shredd and the Good Old Homeboys? Hilariously good country death metal.

668: Neighbor of the Beast (Travis Shredd Cover) - YouTube

Lone Wolf8634
08-06-2012, 07:56
667, the neighbor of the beast


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Freaking hilarious!!

NMG26
08-06-2012, 08:52
i had me a purty girl, to have and to hold
yes, i'd gone and made her my wife
she met some city boy, now i'm out in the cold
guess i'd best get on with my life

i got my things together and changed my address
i moved into the trailer next door
oh what a mess...i'm livin' at

668! I'm the neighbor of the beast...nowhere to hide
668! I'm the neighbor of the beast...she's the devil's own bride
668! I'm the neighbor of the beast...now my trailer's on fire
668! I'm the neighbor of the beast...burning higher and higher

gonna call up an exorcist, 'cause i'm next door to hell
i hear that screamin' every night
she tortures that city boy...makes him holler 'n yell
lord, it gives me a terrible fright

'cause i can still recall when she was in my face
spittin' out fire 'n brimstone
now i've got a new place...i'm livin' at

(chorus)

(solo)

she hex me wit da voodoo, got beelzebub inna house
she make da furniture fly, and so i had to get outa da house
she livin' at 666, 'cause dat's da number on da house
she spinnin' her head around, da flames are burnin' in da house

i got my things together and changed my address
i moved into the trailer next door
oh what a mess...i'm livin' at

TKM
08-06-2012, 10:22
Anyone who has studied the earliest "biblical" scriptures, rather than the version of the bible King James had tailored to his needs in 1611 should know that the "Number of the Beast" is probably 614, or possibly 611, or even 617, depending on how one chooses to interpret various squiggles and crap caught in the papyrus.

In other words, it's a typo you provincial putz.

Kingarthurhk
08-06-2012, 11:23
Anyone who has studied the earliest "biblical" scriptures, rather than the version of the bible King James had tailored to his needs in 1611 should know that the "Number of the Beast" is probably 614, or possibly 611, or even 617, depending on how one chooses to interpret various squiggles and crap caught in the papyrus.

In other words, it's a typo you provincial putz.

The answer is the same even if you use the NIV. I provided the link for edification. I am pretty sure it hasn't been looked at.

Lone Wolf8634
08-06-2012, 14:52
If only Weird Al had done *that* song ...

Steven Lynch did a song about Jesus' brother, him and the neighbor are probly pretty close.:rofl:

You tube: Steven Lynch: Craig.

No linky for TOS

Schabesbert
08-06-2012, 14:54
The answer is the same even if you use the NIV. I provided the link for edification. I am pretty sure it hasn't been looked at.
'Course not.
Just like Syclone538 said, who'se going to wade through a full hour of Barbara Streisand, especially given the source? Why not post something to discuss?

Will YOU watch a video I link to that's that long?
:dunno:

Kingarthurhk
08-06-2012, 16:49
'Course not.
Just like Syclone538 said, who'se going to wade through a full hour of Barbara Streisand, especially given the source? Why not post something to discuss?

Will YOU watch a video I link to that's that long?
:dunno:

Barbara Sreisand doesn't even enter into this. Also, I didn't think you had an interest in this?

Inebriated
08-06-2012, 17:16
Steven Lynch did a song about Jesus' brother, him and the neighbor are probly pretty close.:rofl:

You tube: Steven Lynch: Craig.

No linky for TOS
I got in trouble in like 10th grade for playing that song... lol

Altaris
08-06-2012, 18:02
Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast - YouTube

Lone Wolf8634
08-07-2012, 06:35
I got in trouble in like 10th grade for playing that song... lol

Well, you may be a bit younger than me.:supergrin:

FCoulter
08-07-2012, 07:10
Its funny when I watch adventists videos they show pictures of a long haired Jesus, also they show pictures of angels.

They bash the Catholics for breaking the 2nd commandment, yet do the same. That is truely messed up!

GreenDrake
08-07-2012, 07:15
How do you know he didn't look like Rick James?

http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/black-jesus-45345.jpg

Schabesbert
08-07-2012, 07:26
Barbara Sreisand doesn't even enter into this.
That's a phonetic alphabet designation. BS. So, yes, it does.

Geko45
08-07-2012, 07:32
667, the neighbor of the beast

Technically, he'd be the neighbor across the street. The next door neighbors would be 664 and 668.

Roering
08-07-2012, 10:46
Barbara Sreisand doesn't even enter into this.

Their synonymous.

Inebriated
08-07-2012, 11:13
Well, you may be a bit younger than me.:supergrin:
:rofl:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue%20out.gif

How do you know he didn't look like Rick James?

http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/black-jesus-45345.jpg
He's got more of a lil wayne look about him.

Kingarthurhk
08-07-2012, 16:26
That's a phonetic alphabet designation. BS. So, yes, it does.

Plug it in and see how far you get...

Kingarthurhk
08-07-2012, 16:31
Its funny when I watch adventists videos they show pictures of a long haired Jesus, also they show pictures of angels.

They bash the Catholics for breaking the 2nd commandment, yet do the same. That is truely messed up!

Please do me a favor:

1. Find in a visual aid a graven image.

2. Find someone advocating worshiping the visual aid.

Perhaps then you might have a point.

Lone Wolf8634
08-07-2012, 16:42
Plug it in and see how far you get...

Umm.... Barbara Striesand, initials B.S.

Hint: Bovine scat.

:wavey:

Kingarthurhk
08-07-2012, 16:46
Umm.... Barbara Striesand, initials B.S.

Hint: Bovine scat.

:wavey:

I think the term he might be trying to use would be Bravo Sierra.

Lone Wolf8634
08-07-2012, 17:02
I think the term he might be trying to use would be Bravo Sierra.

That would be another one. Since we aren't in the military, we can also use things like Barbars Striesand, it's fitting. And far more amusing.

FCoulter
08-07-2012, 17:14
Please do me a favor:

1. Find in a visual aid a graven image.

2. Find someone advocating worshiping the visual aid.

Perhaps then you might have a point.
QuIt trying to justify breaking Gods commandment.

Ex.20:<sup class="versenum" style="font-size: 0.75em; line-height: normal; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top; ">4 </sup>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.


Notice it says after the first coma or any likeness of "ANYTHING" in heaven above.


Now, drawing pics of angels or Jesus is making an image of something in heaven.


Go ahead though, keep picking and choosing as you always do which commandments you want to keep and which you reject.

Kingarthurhk
08-07-2012, 17:44
QuIt trying to justify breaking Gods commandment.

Ex.20:<sup style="line-height: normal; font-size: 0.75em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top;" class="versenum">4 </sup>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.


Notice it says after the first coma or any likeness of "ANYTHING" in heaven above.


Now, drawing pics of angels or Jesus is making an image of something in heaven.


Go ahead though, keep picking and choosing as you always do which commandments you want to keep and which you reject.



Do you have any photos in your house? Do you watch televsion? Then by your standard you have violated the Second Commandment. You failed to qoute it all. Let me help you with that:

Exodus 20:4-6, "You shall not make for yourself an image <sup class="crossreference" value='(I (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2056I))'></sup> in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>You shall not bow down to them or worship <sup class="crossreference" value='(J (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057J))'></sup> them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, <sup class="crossreference" value='(K (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057K))'></sup> punishing the children for the sin of the parents <sup class="crossreference" value='(L (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057L))'></sup> to the third and fourth generation <sup class="crossreference" value='(M (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057M))'></sup> of those who hate me, <sup class="versenum">6 </sup>but showing love to a thousand <sup class="crossreference" value='(N (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2058N))'></sup> generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So, therefore any televsion you view, any family photo you have, any image you view on your computer you have, by your Pharisital standard, have condemned yourself.

Please repent. Thank you.:upeyes:

NMG26
08-07-2012, 18:00
Do you have any photos in your house? Do you watch televsion? Then by your standard you have violated the Second Commandment. You failed to qoute it all. Let me help you with that:

Exodus 20:4-6, "You shall not make for yourself an image <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2056I&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>I</a>)"></sup> in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>You shall not bow down to them or worship <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057J&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>J</a>)"></sup> them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057K&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>K</a>)"></sup> punishing the children for the sin of the parents <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057L&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>L</a>)"></sup> to the third and fourth generation <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057M&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>M</a>)"></sup> of those who hate me, <sup class="versenum">6 </sup>but showing love to a thousand <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2058N&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>N</a>)"></sup> generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So, therefore any televsion you view, any family photo you have, any image you view on your computer you have, by your Pharisital standard, have condemned yourself.

Please repent. Thank you.:upeyes:

Art, between you and Fred, I'd give you the win.



.

Geko45
08-07-2012, 18:07
Art, between you and Fred, I'd give you the win.

I agree. King, point, set, match.

Animal Mother
08-07-2012, 18:31
QuIt trying to justify breaking Gods commandment.

Ex.20:<sup class="versenum" style="font-size: 0.75em; line-height: normal; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top; ">4 </sup>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.


Notice it says after the first coma or any likeness of "ANYTHING" in heaven above.


Now, drawing pics of angels or Jesus is making an image of something in heaven.


Go ahead though, keep picking and choosing as you always do which commandments you want to keep and which you reject.

I have a number of fish fossils, since that would be a graven image made by nature am I safe?

FCoulter
08-08-2012, 06:08
Do you have any photos in your house? Do you watch televsion? Then by your standard you have violated the Second Commandment. You failed to qoute it all. Let me help you with that:

Exodus 20:4-6, "You shall not make for yourself an image <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;<a href=" http:="" www.glocktalk.com="" forums="" #cen-niv-2056i&quot;"="" target="_blank">http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2056I" target="_blank">I)"></sup> in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>You shall not bow down to them or worship <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;<a href=" http:="" www.glocktalk.com="" forums="" #cen-niv-2057j&quot;"="" target="_blank">http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057J" target="_blank">J)"></sup> them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;<a href=" http:="" www.glocktalk.com="" forums="" #cen-niv-2057k&quot;"="" target="_blank">http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057K" target="_blank">K)"></sup> punishing the children for the sin of the parents <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;<a href=" http:="" www.glocktalk.com="" forums="" #cen-niv-2057l&quot;"="" target="_blank">http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057L" target="_blank">L)"></sup> to the third and fourth generation <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;<a href=" http:="" www.glocktalk.com="" forums="" #cen-niv-2057m&quot;"="" target="_blank">http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2057M" target="_blank">M)"></sup> of those who hate me, <sup class="versenum">6 </sup>but showing love to a thousand <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;<a href=" http:="" www.glocktalk.com="" forums="" #cen-niv-2058n&quot;"="" target="_blank">http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-2058N" target="_blank">N)"></sup> generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So, therefore any televsion you view, any family photo you have, any image you view on your computer you have, by your Pharisital standard, have condemned yourself.

Please repent. Thank you.:upeyes:
Your missing the point as you always do.

Your sect post pics of Jesus and angels in their videos, correct?


Who are the videos for? Other adventists or uncorverted?


If unconverted see those pics of Jesus and angels they will use those as a aide in faith, thus worship.

So yes KA, tv ,pics anything CAN be a violation of the 2nd commandment IF put in a video for edification of other in Gods ways, such as you little colorful videos.

Now please stop twisting Gods commands to fit your twisted beliefs.

Kingarthurhk
08-08-2012, 06:26
Your missing the point as you always do.

Your sect post pics of Jesus and angels in their videos, correct?


Who are the videos for? Other adventists or uncorverted?


If unconverted see those pics of Jesus and angels they will use those as a aide in faith, thus worship.

So yes KA, tv ,pics anything CAN be a violation of the 2nd commandment IF put in a video for edification of other in Gods ways, such as you little colorful videos.

Now please stop twisting Gods commands to fit your twisted beliefs.

You are so blinded that you cannot see. Though, ever looking you do not see.

There is nothing in your statement that even fits the Second Commandment.

Also, after your condemnation of simple visual aides, that were never intended to be worshiped in any way, have you divested yourself from all the "images" in your home? Tossed out the family photos, gotten rid of the television, and put a picture blocker on your computer?

Because, again, by your standard, you have elevated the depictions of the people in those photos you have in frames to that of worship, because you have their likenesses engraved on film paper and put in a place of honor that you can observe their engraved likenesses on a daily basis.

If you have not divested yourself of these things then your hypocrisy knows no limit.

FCoulter
08-08-2012, 08:28
You are so blinded that you cannot see. Though, ever looking you do not see.

There is nothing in your statement that even fits the Second Commandment.

Also, after your condemnation of simple visual aides, that were never intended to be worshiped in any way, have you divested yourself from all the "images" in your home? Tossed out the family photos, gotten rid of the television, and put a picture blocker on your computer?

Because, again, by your standard, you have elevated the depictions of the people in those photos you have in frames to that of worship, because you have their likenesses engraved on film paper and put in a place of honor that you can observe their engraved likenesses on a daily basis.

If you have not divested yourself of these things then your hypocrisy knows no limit.
Your ignorance knows no bounds, sorry a pic in my house is NOT a graven image, however a pic of Jesus or of angels in a video teaching doctines is Graven Images.

King, you really should sit back and think before you type.




Also as a side note why do you portray Jesus with long hair?

Kingarthurhk
08-08-2012, 10:45
Your ignorance knows no bounds, sorry a pic in my house is NOT a graven image, however a pic of Jesus or of angels in a video teaching doctines is Graven Images.

King, you really should sit back and think before you type.




Also as a side note why do you portray Jesus with long hair?

I don't potrary Jesus as anything but what scripture tells me.

I think you should perhaps explore is nature, teachings, and spirit rather than being his hair dresser.

So, you admit, that you judge others by a different standard than you keep? You judge me by some artist's concept and then do not hold yourself to the same standard.

You with "graven images" in your home of family and artistry on your walls.

As to whether Jesus while on earth in veil of flesh had long hair or short, it matters not to me. The fact that He is God is all that matters to me. I also don't care what color he was either.

What does he look like now? John the Revelator tells us:

Revelation 1:12-16, "I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AS (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30710AS))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>and among the lampstands <sup class="crossreference" value='(AT (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AT))'></sup> was someone like a son of man,<sup class="footnote" value='[d (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-30711d)]'>[d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-30711d)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(AU (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AU))'></sup> dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet <sup class="crossreference" value='(AV (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AV))'></sup> and with a golden sash around his chest. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AW (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AW))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AX (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30712AX))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, <sup class="crossreference" value='(AY (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30713AY))'></sup> and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AZ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30713AZ))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>In his right hand he held seven stars, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BA (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30714BA))'></sup> and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. <sup class="crossreference" value='(BB (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30714BB))'></sup> His face was like the sun <sup class="crossreference" value='(BC (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30714BC))'></sup> shining in all its brilliance."

That is what Jesus looks like today.

FCoulter
08-08-2012, 13:39
I don't potrary Jesus as anything but what scripture tells me.

I think you should perhaps explore is nature, teachings, and spirit rather than being his hair dresser.

So, you admit, that you judge others by a different standard than you keep? You judge me by some artist's concept and then do not hold yourself to the same standard.

You with "graven images" in your home of family and artistry on your walls.

As to whether Jesus while on earth in veil of flesh had long hair or short, it matters not to me. The fact that He is God is all that matters to me. I also don't care what color he was either.

What does he look like now? John the Revelator tells us:

Revelation 1:12-16, "I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30710AS&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AS</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>and among the lampstands <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AT&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AT</a>)"></sup> was someone like a son of man,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-30711d&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>d</a>]">[d (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-30711d)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AU&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AU</a>)"></sup> dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AV&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AV</a>)"></sup> and with a golden sash around his chest. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30711AW&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AW</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30712AX&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AX</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30713AY&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AY</a>)"></sup> and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30713AZ&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AZ</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>In his right hand he held seven stars, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30714BA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BA</a>)"></sup> and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30714BB&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BB</a>)"></sup> His face was like the sun <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-30714BC&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BC</a>)"></sup> shining in all its brilliance."

That is what Jesus looks like today.


Again you dont know what a graven image is.


My point is, your sect displays graven images, you then condemn the RCC for doing the same.


Double standard very much aeh King?


Also the Bible is clear about men and long hair, but it is also clear about women ministers and your sect ignores that also.


As for knowing who Jesus is, I dont think you have a clue about that either since you claim He was an archangel Michael.

Schabesbert
08-08-2012, 15:54
Please do me a favor:

1. Find in a visual aid a graven image.
Your avatar, for instance?

2. Find someone advocating worshiping the visual aid.

Perhaps then you might have a point.
Yes! That is the correct interpretation of the prohibition. It is an example of the command against idolatry.

Having the image isn't what's wrong; worshipping it would be.

GreenDrake
08-08-2012, 15:57
Wait, you don't even have pictures of family on your walls because of religion? Just clarifying.

Schabesbert
08-08-2012, 16:01
QuIt trying to justify breaking Gods commandment.

Ex.20:<sup class="versenum" style="font-size: 0.75em; line-height: normal; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top; ">4 </sup>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.


Notice it says after the first coma or any likeness of "ANYTHING" in heaven above.


Now, drawing pics of angels or Jesus is making an image of something in heaven.


Go ahead though, keep picking and choosing as you always do which commandments you want to keep and which you reject.


Right. This is a GREAT example of how taking scriptures out of context, and lacking understanding, can lead to erroneous theology such as FCoulter exhibits.

Now, Freddy, if your interpretation is correct, please explain why God would then command Moses to break that very commandment, almost immediately?

Ex 25:18 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat.
Ex 25:19 Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends.
Ex 25:20 The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.
Ex 25:22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you of all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

This was stuff that went into the HOLY of HOLIES. And God commanded Moses to do this!

Ex 26:1 "Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen and blue and purple and scarlet stuff; with cherubim skilfully worked shall you make them.
Ex 26:31 "And you shall make a veil of blue and purple and scarlet stuff and fine twined linen; in skilled work shall it be made, with cherubim;
Ex 36:8 And all the able men among the workmen made the tabernacle with ten curtains; they were made of fine twined linen and blue and purple and scarlet stuff, with cherubim skilfully worked.

FCoulter
08-08-2012, 16:31
Right. This is a GREAT example of how taking scriptures out of context, and lacking understanding, can lead to erroneous theology such as FCoulter exhibits.

Now, Freddy, if your interpretation is correct, please explain why God would then command Moses to break that very commandment, almost immediately?

Ex 25:18 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat.
Ex 25:19 Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends.
Ex 25:20 The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.
Ex 25:22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you of all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

This was stuff that went into the HOLY of HOLIES. And God commanded Moses to do this!

Ex 26:1 "Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen and blue and purple and scarlet stuff; with cherubim skilfully worked shall you make them.
Ex 26:31 "And you shall make a veil of blue and purple and scarlet stuff and fine twined linen; in skilled work shall it be made, with cherubim;
Ex 36:8 And all the able men among the workmen made the tabernacle with ten curtains; they were made of fine twined linen and blue and purple and scarlet stuff, with cherubim skilfully worked.
Now dear Bert was just anyone allowed to go inside the holy of holies?

Was anyone able to look or touch the ark?

What was the purpose of the ark being built?


Try again Bert!

Schabesbert
08-08-2012, 16:40
Now dear Bert was just anyone allowed to go inside the holy of holies?

Was anyone able to look or touch the ark?
So, what's your point?
That it's OK to break the commandment, just so long as nobody can see?

No, it seems quite a bit more likely that you are twisting scripture ... again.

Oh, and BTW, I posted more than the cheribum above the ark. There were cheribum woven into the veil, too. Other people could see those.

And then there was the IMAGE of the serpent:
Nu 21:9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.

There's more, but this should suffice.

Talk about picking and choosing what scriptures to read ... :upeyes:

Kingarthurhk
08-08-2012, 17:02
Again you dont know what a graven image is.


My point is, your sect displays graven images, you then condemn the RCC for doing the same.


Double standard very much aeh King?

You really are testing my patience. I have to think arrogance and a lack of a knowledge of the English language when reading in the English language must be two barriers for you. I suggest you read it in your own native language and that may assist you in some sort of clarity.

I know very well what a graven image is. It is an idol. It prohibits the making of idols for the purpose of worshiping them. Has someone done the following?


<table id="wn"><tbody><tr><td>graven - cut into a desired shape; "graven images"; "sculptured representations"sculpted (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sculpted), sculptured (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sculptured)
carved (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carved), carven (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carven) - made for or formed by carving (`carven' is archaic or literary); "the carved fretwork"; "an intricately carved door"; "stood as if carven from stone"


</td></tr><tr><td vAlign="top"></td><td vAlign="top">2.</td><td>graven - cut or impressed into a surface; "an incised design"; "engraved invitations"engraved (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/engraved), etched (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/etched), inscribed (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inscribed), incised (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incised)
carved (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carved), carven (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carven) - made for or formed by carving (`carven' is archaic or literary); "the carved fretwork"; "an intricately carved door"; "stood as if carven from stone"



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Also the Bible is clear about men and long hair, but it is also clear about women ministers and your sect ignores that also.

Again, you come with ignorance. We don't have women ministers. They are not ordained. Please find for me an example in the Old Testament where long hair on man was considered wrong? Have you forgotten the Nazarenes? Or Samson? Again, I really don't think God needs you as His hair stylist.



As for knowing who Jesus is, I dont think you have a clue about that either since you claim He was an archangel Michael.

I am aware of who He is. Clearly, by your constant demeanor, you need to meet Him. Perhaps you might want to travel the road to Damascus perhaps?

FCoulter
08-09-2012, 06:46
So, what's your point?
That it's OK to break the commandment, just so long as nobody can see?

No, it seems quite a bit more likely that you are twisting scripture ... again.

Oh, and BTW, I posted more than the cheribum above the ark. There were cheribum woven into the veil, too. Other people could see those.

And then there was the IMAGE of the serpent:
Nu 21:9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.

There's more, but this should suffice.

Talk about picking and choosing what scriptures to read ... :upeyes:

http://www.bibleresourcecentre.com/Volume_3/PDFs/TheBrazenSerpentisnotanidol.pdf

FCoulter
08-09-2012, 06:53
You really are testing my patience. I have to think arrogance and a lack of a knowledge of the English language when reading in the English language must be two barriers for you. I suggest you read it in your own native language and that may assist you in some sort of clarity.

I know very well what a graven image is. It is an idol. It prohibits the making of idols for the purpose of worshiping them. Has someone done the following?








Again, you come with ignorance. We don't have women ministers. They are not ordained. Please find for me an example in the Old Testament where long hair on man was considered wrong? Have you forgotten the Nazarenes? Or Samson? Again, I really don't think God needs you as His hair stylist.




I am aware of who He is. Clearly, by your constant demeanor, you need to meet Him. Perhaps you might want to travel the road to Damascus perhaps?


1st. Yes in putting an image of Jesus in a video teaching doctrine it becomes idol worship.


2nd. I guess you dont view Ellen White as a minister or pastor?


3rd. Why do I need to show an example in the old test against long hair when it is clear in the new test that it is a shame for a man to have long hair?


However, the reason Nazarenes and Samson had long hair is because it was a vow they took. Do I really need to teach you even the basics?


4th. Your god is clearly the god of this world since by your actions and worship you dont have a clue whom the True God is!

Schabesbert
08-09-2012, 08:45
http://www.bibleresourcecentre.com/Volume_3/PDFs/TheBrazenSerpentisnotanidol.pdf
Thanks for providing a link in support of my view, even though it contradicts your own beliefs. :wavey:

From your post:
Whether a graven image is an idol or not depends on the following factors:
! Whether it was commanded by God, or it is symbolic of His worship;
! Whether we see it as accessory to the worship of the true God or as the subject of our worship.

So, by your very own post, there are certainly images that are not idols. If they are used "as accessory to the worship of the true God" as the Catholic Church teaches, it is NOT idolatry.

Thanks again. :whistling:

Kingarthurhk
08-09-2012, 13:09
1st. Yes in putting an image of Jesus in a video teaching doctrine it becomes idol worship.

Anything becomes idol worship if it is given more time than God. Your ego for instance...


2nd. I guess you dont view Ellen White as a minister or pastor?

The Bible is replete from the Old to the New Testament of women prophets. They weren't preachers. You should perhaps read it sometime?


3rd. Why do I need to show an example in the old test against long hair when it is clear in the new test that it is a shame for a man to have long hair?

Then why do you observe feast days that are not part of the New Testament then?


However, the reason Nazarenes and Samson had long hair is because it was a vow they took. Do I really need to teach you even the basics?[/quoute]

No, but I suspect you need to refresh yourself regarding them.

[quote]
4th. Your god is clearly the god of this world since by your actions and worship you dont have a clue whom the True God is!

My God is love. Your god clearly isn't. You serve an angry vengeful god. The Jesus who walked this earth was about love. The god of this world is about anger, strife, disharmony, and hate.

Now, again, which god do you serve?

FCoulter
08-09-2012, 15:16
Anything becomes idol worship if it is given more time than God. Your ego for instance...



The Bible is replete from the Old to the New Testament of women prophets. They weren't preachers. You should perhaps read it sometime?



Then why do you observe feast days that are not part of the New Testament then?

[quote]
However, the reason Nazarenes and Samson had long hair is because it was a vow they took. Do I really need to teach you even the basics?[/quoute]

No, but I suspect you need to refresh yourself regarding them.



My God is love. Your god clearly isn't. You serve an angry vengeful god. The Jesus who walked this earth was about love. The god of this world is about anger, strife, disharmony, and hate.

Now, again, which god do you serve?I serve the true God, the same God that never changes, the same God that said to keep ALL His Sabbaths forever!


Your god allows you to follow a false prophet, to keep pagan days as a replacement for Gods true Holy Days,


When you place images of Jesus in videos teaching your false doctrine, it does become idol worship. I am glad Bert is on your side though, after all his church is your mother church.


Also call EW what you like, she was a teacher (pastor) and by Biblical standards was to remain silent in church.


Are you saying she never taught doctrine in church?


You are as sad as those waiting for Jesus to return in 1844, you really need to wake up.

Schabesbert
08-09-2012, 15:24
I am glad Bert is on your side though, after all his church is your mother church.
My Church is the one that was established by Jesus.
Yours was established by Fred Coulter.

I have much more confidence in Jesus, thanks.

Your beilefs are extremely confused, since they're self-contradictory. Such as was exhibited by your posting a link that disputes your beliefs, and upholds Catholic teaching vis-a-vis images.

FCoulter
08-09-2012, 16:19
My Church is the one that was established by Jesus.
Yours was established by Fred Coulter.

I have much more confidence in Jesus, thanks.

Your beilefs are extremely confused, since they're self-contradictory. Such as was exhibited by your posting a link that disputes your beliefs, and upholds Catholic teaching vis-a-vis images.
NOpe wrong again Bert, the I provided enforced what I was pointing out to king that you like him just didnt get it.

Carry on dear Bert maybe you can craddle king some more.


We all know when your church started, but it was Not founded on Jesus.

Schabesbert
08-09-2012, 16:40
NOpe wrong again Bert, the I provided enforced what I was pointing out to king that you like him just didnt get it.
Interesting how you can assert things which simply are not so.

We all know when your church started, but it was Not founded on Jesus.
According to Jesus, it was. And, again, since I belive Him, and you're contradicting Him, I don't believe you.

RC-RAMIE
08-09-2012, 18:00
Would it be to much to ask for each off you to say what chruch you are with im enjoying the thread.


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Kingarthurhk
08-09-2012, 20:23
Would it be to much to ask for each off you to say what chruch you are with im enjoying the thread.


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I am can break it down for you:

I am a Seventh-Day Adventist.

Bert is a Catholic.

Fred Coulter belongs to the Church of Fred Coulter. He is not actually Fred Coulter, but he is so devoted to Fred Coulter, he has adopted that name as his name as as is avatar.

I hope that helps.

Kingarthurhk
08-09-2012, 20:25
[quote=Kingarthurhk;19289100]Anything becomes idol worship if it is given more time than God. Your ego for instance...



The Bible is replete from the Old to the New Testament of women prophets. They weren't preachers. You should perhaps read it sometime?



Then why do you observe feast days that are not part of the New Testament then?

I serve the true God, the same God that never changes, the same God that said to keep ALL His Sabbaths forever!


Your god allows you to follow a false prophet, to keep pagan days as a replacement for Gods true Holy Days,


When you place images of Jesus in videos teaching your false doctrine, it does become idol worship. I am glad Bert is on your side though, after all his church is your mother church.


Also call EW what you like, she was a teacher (pastor) and by Biblical standards was to remain silent in church.


Are you saying she never taught doctrine in church?


You are as sad as those waiting for Jesus to return in 1844, you really need to wake up.

Matthew 23.

RC-RAMIE
08-09-2012, 23:26
I am can break it down for you:

I am a Seventh-Day Adventist.

Bert is a Catholic.

Fred Coulter belongs to the Church of Fred Coulter. He is not actually Fred Coulter, but he is so devoted to Fred Coulter, he has adopted that name as his name as as is avatar.

I hope that helps.

Thank you it clears a lot of things up.


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FCoulter
08-10-2012, 06:36
I am can break it down for you:

I am a Seventh-Day Adventist.

Bert is a Catholic.

Fred Coulter belongs to the Church of Fred Coulter. He is not actually Fred Coulter, but he is so devoted to Fred Coulter, he has adopted that name as his name as as is avatar.

I hope that helps.Again your ignorance has no bounds.
I have repeatly stated I am not Fred Coulter, my nick is Fcoulter not FredCoulter.




This is a common problem with you and your sect king, you cant understand what you read or what is said to you.


Now carry on forrest.




Since forrest(kingA) answered wrong about me as usual I will set the record straight.


I attend no denomination, I am part of the family Jesus Christ is head of. The church that I feel is teaching the Good News today and is the church Jesus founded, it is the Church of God!

Schabesbert
08-10-2012, 06:54
Again your ignorance has no bounds.
I have repeatly stated I am not Fred Coulter, my nick is Fcoulter not FredCoulter.
Ummm, that's what he said. :dunno:


This is a common problem with you and your sect king, you cant understand what you read or what is said to you.
I certainly think that he misinterprets quite often, but you're even misinterpreting his post above. Wow. :shocked:

I attend no denomination, I am part of the family Jesus Christ is head of. The church that I feel is teaching the Good News today and is the church Jesus founded, it is the Church of God!
Which didn't come into existance until 1979, when FCoulter resigned from the Worldwide Church of God.

FCoulter
08-10-2012, 07:46
Ummm, that's what he said. :dunno:



I certainly think that he misinterprets quite often, but you're even misinterpreting his post above. Wow. :shocked:


Which didn't come into existance until 1979, when FCoulter resigned from the Worldwide Church of God.
OH Bert you are just like your son king, did I say I was non denominational or did I say christian biblical church of God?

Please read carefully from now on.

Schabesbert
08-10-2012, 08:30
OH Bert you are just like your son king,
You honor me too much; I try to be like the Son, but I have a long way to go.

did I say I was non denominational or did I say christian biblical church of God?

Please read carefully from now on.
You are quite obviously a devotee of Fred Coulter, who invented his own man-made religion in 1979.

NMG26
08-10-2012, 08:53
Again your ignorance has no bounds.
I have repeatly stated I am not Fred Coulter, my nick is Fcoulter not FredCoulter.

Is it ok if we call you Fred?

Fran?


This is a common problem with you and your sect king, you cant understand what you read or what is said to you.


Now carry on forrest.


So you do watch movies.




Since forrest(kingA) answered wrong about me as usual I will set the record straight.


I attend no denomination, I am part of the family Jesus Christ is head of. The church that I feel is teaching the Good News today and is the church Jesus founded, it is the Church of God!

And you don't even know that you are a heretic?

You don't realize that you are sectarian?

You don't understand that you are part of a certain party?

heretic=sect=party=denomination=our way is better then your way=Christian Biblical Church of God.

Glad you are piping in though.
What does your sect teach about 666 and the coming end?






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steveksux
08-12-2012, 14:44
Its funny when I watch adventists videos they show pictures of a long haired Jesus, also they show pictures of angels.

They bash the Catholics for breaking the 2nd commandment, yet do the same. That is truely messed up!Wait, when did the Catholic Church advocate infringing on gun rights????? :whistling:

Randy

steveksux
08-12-2012, 14:48
I am can break it down for you:

I am a Seventh-Day Adventist.

Bert is a Catholic.

Fred Coulter belongs to the Church of Fred Coulter. He is not actually Fred Coulter, but he is so devoted to Fred Coulter, he has adopted that name as his name as as is avatar.

I hope that helps.And the Fred Coulter guy (the poster, not the real Fred Coulter) is the one being hyper strict about graven images?

That seems a little ironic to me... :rofl:

Randy