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Limedust
08-05-2012, 20:20
Yup, I am. I've been a little peeved lately to find just about every thread co-opted by some political bull****; did my best to remain civil and refrained from replying many times. I realize that such a forum is generally populated by people with many views that differ from my own, but I wonder at the necessity for bashing Obama, Liberals (in usually boring, blanket statements that express more opinion than fact) and the government in general at every opportunity.

I suppose it's fun to regurgitate agitprop back and forth to each other every day, and reinforce easily repeated opinions without giving them much thought, but I have to say that even if that's fun, it can't be THAT fun. Truly, many of you just seem pissed much of the time.

Anyhow, there are some liberals here, some that believe the Second Amendment allows us--you know, "The People"-- to keep and bear arms, and that nevertheless find some reasons not to vote for Romney, or identify as conservative, or libertarian, or just plain Contrarian and Crotchety. I'll be around--because there are really a lot of fine insights, really good information, and even occasionally a worthwhile argument to be had--but sometimes you ****ers make it hard.

So, that's that. Just wanted to vent a bit. Happy Glocking.

Gunnut 45/454
08-05-2012, 20:29
Limedust
Well after 8 years of the Bull**** you all shoveled on Bush and the continued BS you all are shoveling since the Obamamoa took office, all I can say is get used to it! If you want feel goods go to the DU!:rofl:

Berto
08-05-2012, 20:31
'Liberal' is an oxymoron, since most who identify themselves as liberal are actually anti -liberty.

Cheers.

Limedust
08-05-2012, 20:36
Limedust
Well after 8 years of the Bull**** you all shoveled on Bush and the continued BS you all are shoveling since the Obamamoa took office, all I can say is get used to it! If you want feel goods go to the DU!:rofl:

I remember only shoveling sand and mortar while Bush was President. I do recall finding many of his policies wrong-headed, but I can't fault the guy. President is a hard job. What's the DU?

Jonesee
08-05-2012, 20:39
'Liberal' is an oxymoron, since most who identify themselves as liberal are actually anti -liberty.

Cheers.


Ummm, I think you need to look up the definition of "oxymoron"

series1811
08-06-2012, 05:41
I remember only shoveling sand and mortar while Bush was President. I do recall finding many of his policies wrong-headed, but I can't fault the guy. President is a hard job. What's the DU?

You just joined in May, 2012, but you remember shoveling sand and mortar here while Bush was President?

What were your screen name(s) back then?

hogship
08-06-2012, 05:52
There certainly are liberals who are pro-gun........but, they fail to see their political philosophy will lead to them not having their guns.......except those that will not have anything to do with the reason why we have a second amendment in it's original intent.......

ooc

G17Jake
08-06-2012, 05:55
Yup, I am. I've been a little peeved lately to find just about every thread co-opted by some political bull****; did my best to remain civil and refrained from replying many times. I realize that such a forum is generally populated by people with many views that differ from my own, but I wonder at the necessity for bashing Obama, Liberals (in usually boring, blanket statements that express more opinion than fact) and the government in general at every opportunity.


Anyhow, there are some liberals here, some that believe the Second Amendment allows us--you know, "The People"-- to keep and bear arms, and that nevertheless find some reasons not to vote for Romney, or identify as conservative, or libertarian, or just plain Contrarian and Crotchety. I'll be around--because there are really a lot of fine insights, really good information, and even occasionally a worthwhile argument to be had--but sometimes you ****ers make it hard.

So, that's that. Just wanted to vent a bit. Happy Glocking.

Why are you a liberal?

Lethaltxn
08-06-2012, 07:35
--but sometimes you ****ers make it hard.

Well, at least you'll be entertaining to watch crash and burn.

GRIMLET
08-06-2012, 07:53
As each person is different, what issues are you liberal? Some here may agree with you on a couple of your views.

If you think you can find anyone willing to defend Obama or his appointees on this forum, you won't.

cowboy1964
08-06-2012, 08:38
You are correct. The One should not be bashed, he should be praised, and bowed to, daily.

:whistling:

GRIMLET
08-06-2012, 09:06
You are correct. The One should not be bashed, he should be praised, and bowed to, daily.

:whistling:

I'm not sure you understand my post. I don't support Obama either.

FFR Spyder GT
08-06-2012, 09:19
'Liberal' is an oxymoron, since most who identify themselves as liberal are actually anti -liberty.

Cheers.

That's where you, like most right wingers, are 100% wrong on about every issue.

I'm a Liberial.

Go back and check all my post and point out a single post that I have made that is "anti -liberty".

A CE things that I stand for as a Liberial........

1.) The Bill of Rights. All of them, not just a couple.

2.) The Holy Bible

3.) A smaller Federal Gov't.

4.) A balanced Federal and State Budgets.

5.) Personal choice and freedom. I do not need the Gov't to tell me who I can marry, if I can own a gun, or if I can get an abortion.

That's just a few.

Spyder

GRIMLET
08-06-2012, 09:23
That's where you, like most right wingers, are 100% wrong on about every issue.

I'm a Liberial.

Go back and check all my post and point out a single post that I have made that is "anti -liberty".

A CE things that I stand for as a Liberial........

1.) The Bill of Rights. All of them, not just a couple.

2.) The Holy Bible

3.) A smaller Federal Gov't.

4.) A balanced Federal and State Budgets.

5.) Personal choice and freedom. I do not need the Gov't to tell me who I can marry, if I can own a gun, or if I can get an abortion.

That's just a few.

Spyder

You sound Libertarian.
Good!

JFrame
08-06-2012, 09:38
I'm a Liberial.


Is "liberial" an actual term, as opposed to "liberal"? :dunno:

Just wondering if a new word has entered our lexicon that I'm not aware of...


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sbhaven
08-06-2012, 10:47
That's where you, like most right wingers, are 100% wrong on about every issue.

I'm a Liberial.

Go back and check all my post and point out a single post that I have made that is "anti -liberty".

A CE things that I stand for as a Liberial........

1.) The Bill of Rights. All of them, not just a couple.

2.) The Holy Bible

3.) A smaller Federal Gov't.

4.) A balanced Federal and State Budgets.

5.) Personal choice and freedom. I do not need the Gov't to tell me who I can marry, if I can own a gun, or if I can get an abortion.

That's just a few.

Spyder
Part of the problem many liberals, who also vote Democratic, have is their party has been taken over and moved to the far left ideology by liberals who call themselves Progressives. Within the Democatic Progressives are a smaller core group of Socialists, Anarchists, Communists and Marxists. They all are working towards the same goal. They all seek to rewrite the Constitution/Bill of Rights so as to further their Utopian goals. They above all else believe in the power of the state rather than the power of the individual. They all work together to continue their 100+ year process of changing this country.

On the right, liberals who don't see themselves as Democrats, have helped push the Republican party to the left. The Republican party, more specifically the GOP leadership, now sits politically where the Democratic party used to sit politically 30 or more years ago. Its ultimately why we have a Massachusetts liberal who runs as a Republican going up against Obama who at any one time is a Progressive, Marxist, Communist, and or a Socialist.

Walking into this mess is the MSM and some liberals who seek to further the perceived divisions between the factions on the right. Further the divisions between the libertarians and the conservatives. If Obama is reelected it will be in part because those who are opposed to Progresivism are too divided to unite in their common goals/ideals to stand against the relentless Progressive march in this country.
:dunno:

kirgi08
08-06-2012, 11:04
Is "liberial" an actual term, as opposed to "liberal"? :dunno:

Just wondering if a new word has entered our lexicon that I'm not aware of...


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Libertarian is us.Jes sayin.'08.

countrygun
08-06-2012, 11:08
That's where you, like most right wingers, are 100% wrong on about every issue.

I'm a Liberial.

Go back and check all my post and point out a single post that I have made that is "anti -liberty".

A CE things that I stand for as a Liberial........

1.) The Bill of Rights. All of them, not just a couple.

2.) The Holy Bible

3.) A smaller Federal Gov't.

4.) A balanced Federal and State Budgets.

5.) Personal choice and freedom. I do not need the Gov't to tell me who I can marry, if I can own a gun, or if I can get an abortion.

That's just a few.

Spyder


You do realize that umbers 3 & 5 may be in conflict, don't you?

The "gun" issue is solved by the Bill of Rights and those things not enumerated revert to the States, ergo the State government (IE the voters of the State) gets the say on marriage and abortion. Unless, of course you want a big Federal Government enforcing YOUR wishes as the law of the land.

FFR Spyder GT
08-06-2012, 11:18
Well, at least you'll be entertaining to watch crash and burn.

I say the same thing about the right-wingnuts. Especially the ones that, by their post, you can tell that they are middle-aged and live in their Mom's basement.

DonGlock26
08-06-2012, 11:21
8.3%



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FFR Spyder GT
08-06-2012, 11:31
You do realize that umbers 3 & 5 may be in conflict, don't you?

The "gun" issue is solved by the Bill of Rights and those things not enumerated revert to the States, ergo the State government (IE the voters of the State) gets the say on marriage and abortion. Unless, of course you want a big Federal Government enforcing YOUR wishes as the law of the land.

countrygun,

I'm not sure where you went to school but you should ask for a refund because you have a reading comprehension problem.

Reread my list. It's written on a 7th grade level so it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I want a smaller Gov't that has less control over our daily lives so how is there a conflict between #3 & #5?

#3---smaller Gov't. #5 -----less control over our daily lives. Pretty simple.

Spyder

G29Reload
08-06-2012, 11:34
Yup, I am. I've been a little peeved lately to find just about every thread co-opted by some political bull****;

You ID as a liberal, and this is a political forum. Duh.

but I wonder at the necessity for bashing Obama,

Marxist, lawless, statist thug, for starters. Necessary? Its essential. Also that he's the worst president in history and destructive for generations to come with all the damage he's caused.



I suppose it's fun to regurgitate agitprop back and forth to each other every day, and reinforce easily repeated opinions without giving them much thought, but I have to say that even if that's fun, it can't be THAT fun. Truly, many of you just seem pissed much of the time.

We give it a lot of thought, and yeah. we're pissed, at all the destruction wrought by den leadership. Fun has nothing to do with it, theres nothing fun about having to deal with the detritus of a subversive chicago punk who lucked into an accident of history.


Anyhow, there are some liberals here, some that believe the Second Amendment allows us--you know, "The People"-- to keep and bear arms, and that nevertheless find some reasons not to vote for Romney, or identify as conservative, or libertarian, or just plain Contrarian and Crotchety. I'll be around--because there are really a lot of fine insights, really good information, and even occasionally a worthwhile argument to be had--but sometimes you ****ers make it hard.

You still ID as a liberal and we'll make it as hard as we can. Getting thru to the cognitively impaired is at times like beating a mule over the head with a 2 x 4.

You confirm that with every post.

Limedust
08-06-2012, 11:36
8.3%



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27 months.

Limedust
08-06-2012, 11:37
You ID as a liberal, and this is a political forum. Duh.



Marxist, lawless, statist thug, for starters. Necessary? Its essential. Also that he's the worst president in history and destructive for generations to come with all the damage he's caused.



We give it a lot of thought, and yeah. we're pissed, at all the destruction wrought by den leadership. Fun has nothing to do with it, theres nothing fun about having to deal with the detritus of a subversive chicago punk who lucked into an accident of history.



You still ID as a liberal and we'll make it as hard as we can. Getting thru to the cognitively impaired is at times like beating a mule over the head with a 2 x 4.

You confirm that with every post.

Nice. Were you frothing at the mouth while you wrote?

Lethaltxn
08-06-2012, 11:38
I say the same thing about the right-wingnuts. Especially the ones that, by their post, you can tell that they are middle-aged and live in their Mom's basement.

Is that because you spend so much time in your mom's basement you can just tell?

michael_b
08-06-2012, 11:44
Fun has nothing to do with it, theres nothing fun about having to deal with the detritus of a subversive chicago punk who lucked into an accident of history.

No luck involved. He was cultivated carefully as a candidate. He had good connections in the Chicago political machine somehow.

I'd feel better about things if it had just been dumb luck.

I find it ironic Mr. Peace Prize has a 'kill list' lol.

JFrame
08-06-2012, 11:48
Libertarian is us.Jes sayin.'08.


So liberial is a another term for libertarian? :headscratch:

That's a new one on me...


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countrygun
08-06-2012, 11:53
countrygun,

I'm not sure where you went to school but you should ask for a refund because you have a reading comprehension problem.

Reread my list. It's written on a 7th grade level so it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I want a smaller Gov't that has less control over our daily lives so how is there a conflict between #3 & #5?

#3---smaller Gov't. #5 -----less control over our daily lives. Pretty simple.

Spyder


Well given that I stayed on the Dean's list in college, majoring in Political Science, I will take your comment the sign of your ignorance it is.

You apparently are one of the liberals that I can't really stand, a hipocryte. The smallest Government is the State level, the way the Founders intended, but liberals like you want a Federal government that is big enough to force their beliefs to be the "law of the land". You cannot stand the fact that, at the State level where the people themselves have the most power, your "ideals" don't fly. Gay marraige has been overwhelmingly rejected by the people at the State level, so you want to "run to the teacher" IE the Federal Government to get your way forced on the States, and yet you claim you want "smaller Government" BULLChips. You want "Big Brother" when he is getting you what you want.

Berto
08-06-2012, 15:01
Ummm, I think you need to look up the definition of "oxymoron"

The term is paradoxical.
People who call themselves 'liberal' typically support anti-capitalism, class warfare, restriction of freedoms, big government, social engineering, and progressive (socialist) policy.
Big difference from the word when used as an adjective.
The paradox is there, even if just implied, and a large component of the oxymoron.
The biggest problem with the word is the confusion over what really constitutes a true liberal, and it's not what most people calling themselves liberal believe.

Berto
08-06-2012, 15:09
That's where you, like most right wingers, are 100% wrong on about every issue.

I'm a Liberial.

Go back and check all my post and point out a single post that I have made that is "anti -liberty".

A CE things that I stand for as a Liberial........

1.) The Bill of Rights. All of them, not just a couple.

2.) The Holy Bible

3.) A smaller Federal Gov't.

4.) A balanced Federal and State Budgets.

5.) Personal choice and freedom. I do not need the Gov't to tell me who I can marry, if I can own a gun, or if I can get an abortion.

That's just a few.

Spyder


Cool. I like liberials.

JFrame
08-06-2012, 15:15
Cool. I like liberials.

Whoa... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_standart/timeout.gif

YOU know what it is???

Tell me, tell me, tell me...!!! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/fool/att.gif

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APERS
08-06-2012, 16:05
Isn't it a good thing to have Liberals that are pro 2nd amendment..? Common ground. There is a difference between Liberal or Conservative elected OFFICIALS and Liberal or Conservative PEOPLE. Both side of 'em want the people/voters hating each other, it keeps them in power. I personally do not trust 'D' or 'R' political officials. Have to hold my nose and vote for the ones that will infringe the least on the constitution. :upeyes:

jakebrake
08-06-2012, 19:22
Is "liberial" an actual term, as opposed to "liberal"? :dunno:


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yup, i work with a former one...grew up im liberia... he's a u.s. citizen now.

JFrame
08-06-2012, 20:06
yup, i work with a former one...grew up im liberia... he's a u.s. citizen now.

Thank you...It's all clear to me now! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_thinking.gif


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Berto
08-06-2012, 20:38
Isn't it a good thing to have Liberals that are pro 2nd amendment..? Common ground. There is a difference between Liberal or Conservative elected OFFICIALS and Liberal or Conservative PEOPLE. Both side of 'em want the people/voters hating each other, it keeps them in power. I personally do not trust 'D' or 'R' political officials. Have to hold my nose and vote for the ones that will infringe the least on the constitution. :upeyes:

I think it is....and I agree with your point.
The problem is exactly that, though, who liberals and (sometimes) conservatives elect to office.
Both have their fingers in the political winds, both will sell out in a heartbeat unless the voters hold them accountable.

Fred Hansen
08-06-2012, 20:46
Boo hoo :upeyes:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_49Bcbuc6ngM/TGxGa4L9pgI/AAAAAAAABU0/TMR9aT3q6Hg/s1600/the-democratic-seal-democrats-election-baby-obama-barack-political-poster-1260160034.jpg

series1811
08-07-2012, 05:58
countrygun,

I'm not sure where you went to school but you should ask for a refund because you have a reading comprehension problem.

Reread my list. It's written on a 7th grade level so it shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I want a smaller Gov't that has less control over our daily lives so how is there a conflict between #3 & #5?

#3---smaller Gov't. #5 -----less control over our daily lives. Pretty simple.

Spyder

One common denominator to all liberal postings:

Sooner or later, we are finally told, we are just not smart enough to understand things as well as liberals, and that is why our opinions are wrong and theirs are right. :supergrin:

JFrame
08-07-2012, 05:59
One common denominator to all liberal postings:

Sooner or later, we are finally told, we are just not smart enough to understand things as well as liberals, and that is why our opinions are wrong and theirs are right. :supergrin:


...Or liberial postings... :whistling:


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Limedust
08-07-2012, 16:55
One common denominator to all liberal postings:

Sooner or later, we are finally told, we are just not smart enough to understand things as well as liberals, and that is why our opinions are wrong and theirs are right. :supergrin:

Not all. I agree that some liberals often fall back on tired, mis-guided declarations of their own intellectual superiority; it's an ineffective tactic that results largely from frustration.

It reminds quite often of that moderator guy's posts . . . Jerry, I think.

Jonesee
08-07-2012, 17:10
The paradox is there, even if just implied, and a large component of the oxymoron.



Ummm, no. Clearly not a language major in college.

...and the thigh bone is connected to the leg bone, and the leg bone is connected to the knee bone, and the knee bone is connected to the ankle bone and that is why the foot bone is connected to your chest....

Nice stretch, but it doesn't work.. Kind of like your rationale for it being an oxymoron...

BTW, clearly I am no more of a doctor than you are an english teacher.

countrygun
08-07-2012, 17:13
One common denominator to all liberal postings:

Sooner or later, we are finally told, we are just not smart enough to understand things as well as liberals, and that is why our opinions are wrong and theirs are right. :supergrin:


Especially when we don't understand their contradictions or why there are such big holes in their logic. It is all explained away with "you just don't understand".


Amazing that they still pretend they aren't elitists when they are constantly using those tactics, you would think that they view themselves as the smartest people on earth.

Ooops, another contradiction.

LASTRESORT20
08-07-2012, 17:18
Limedust
Well after 8 years of the Bull**** you all shoveled on Bush and the continued BS you all are shoveling since the Obamamoa took office, all I can say is get used to it! If you want feel goods go to the DU!:rofl:


This!:wavey:

Limedust
08-07-2012, 17:20
This!:wavey:

Jeez guys, it wasn't me.

Berto
08-07-2012, 17:25
Ummm, no. Clearly not a language major in college.

...and the thigh bone is connected to the leg bone, and the leg bone is connected to the knee bone, and the knee bone is connected to the ankle bone and that is why the foot bone is connected to your chest....

Nice stretch, but it doesn't work.. Kind of like your rationale for it being an oxymoron...

BTW, clearly I am no more of a doctor than you are an english teacher.

Your intellect is astonishing. Thank you for that.:wavey:

Contradiction, maybe?

Berto
08-07-2012, 17:26
What about liberial, thoughts?

Limedust
08-07-2012, 17:28
What about liberial, thoughts?

Sounds like the mental disorder Dr. Michael Savage was looking for.

Berto
08-07-2012, 17:29
He probably looked it up.

JFrame
08-07-2012, 18:00
What about liberial, thoughts?


http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC-hysterical.gif
http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC-LOL.gif

Okay -- we have GOTTA make that word a part of the GTPI lexicon... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif


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Berto
08-07-2012, 18:17
http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC-hysterical.gif
http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC-LOL.gif

Okay -- we have GOTTA make that word a part of the GTPI lexicon... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif


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Sure, since we have semantics and pragmatics well covered.:supergrin:

GAFinch
08-07-2012, 20:39
That's where you, like most right wingers, are 100% wrong on about every issue.

I'm a Liberial.

Go back and check all my post and point out a single post that I have made that is "anti -liberty".

A CE things that I stand for as a Liberial........

1.) The Bill of Rights. All of them, not just a couple.

2.) The Holy Bible

3.) A smaller Federal Gov't.

4.) A balanced Federal and State Budgets.

5.) Personal choice and freedom. I do not need the Gov't to tell me who I can marry, if I can own a gun, or if I can get an abortion.

That's just a few.

Spyder

How do you reconcile #2 and #5? What about people/organizations who oppose gay marriage or polygamous marriage? CFA? Churches? Hospitals? Adoption agencies? Schools? What about Christian texts dating back to the 1st century that specifically prohibit abortion and abortifacients?

Hate to break it to you, but you're a moderate Republican, not a liberal.

Fred Hansen
08-07-2012, 23:22
How do you reconcile #2 and #5? What about people/organizations who oppose gay marriage or polygamous marriage? CFA? Churches? Hospitals? Adoption agencies? Schools? What about Christian texts dating back to the 1st century that specifically prohibit abortion and abortifacients?

Hate to break it to you, but you're a moderate Republican, not a liberal.In my experience, the two major hallmarks of liberals and RINOs is their extreme cognitive dissonance combined with the extraordinary pride they take in being generous with the money of others.

W420Hunter
08-08-2012, 08:37
You just joined in May, 2012, but you remember shoveling sand and mortar here while Bush was President?

What were your screen name(s) back then?

Seeing as this fact has been over looked I would like to bring it back up, not that I'm holding my breath. So what was your screen name then?

series1811
08-08-2012, 09:38
Seeing as this fact has been over looked I would like to bring it back up, not that I'm holding my breath. So what was your screen name then?

I don't think he wants to go there. :supergrin:

ChuteTheMall
08-08-2012, 10:18
I've been a little peeved lately to find just about every thread co-opted by some political bull****; did my best to remain civil ....-but sometimes you ****ers make it hard.


:aodnsb:

countrygun
08-08-2012, 10:23
Hehehehehe...he said "'make it hard"...Heheheheheh

ChuteTheMall
08-08-2012, 10:24
Okay -- we have GOTTA make that word a part of the GTPI lexicon...

Don't be discusting.

:animlol:

JFrame
08-08-2012, 10:42
Don't be discusting.

:animlol:

Okay -- I've got my eyes on you, Chute... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/madhouse/pilot.gif

I think only someone very liberial would say somethin' like that... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/acute.gif


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GAFinch
08-08-2012, 12:00
In my experience, the two major hallmarks of liberals and RINOs is their extreme cognitive dissonance combined with the extraordinary pride they take in being generous with the money of others.

Both liberals and RINOs have a spending problem, but the RINOs at least realize they have a problem.

GRIMLET
08-08-2012, 16:17
Both liberals and RINOs have a spending problem, but the RINOs at least realize they have a problem.

Help! I am so out of touch, I don't even know what RINO was supposed to mean.
Please, someone translate.

JFrame
08-08-2012, 16:24
Help! I am so out of touch, I don't even know what RINO was supposed to mean.
Please, someone translate.

Republican In Name Only


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cs133atom
08-08-2012, 17:57
Myspace has em too!

http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/profile01/134/77fd1361265d45a58f34e457474c07e9/t.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Limedust
08-08-2012, 23:09
Seeing as this fact has been over looked I would like to bring it back up, not that I'm holding my breath. So what was your screen name then?

No screen name other than this one. That was a literal statement; I was a mortar man for a stone crew most of the time Bush II was President. I shoveled sand and mortar. That's all. Didn't have anything to do with "here."

Sorry, I didn't realize that was code for anything.