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Jarhead247
08-09-2012, 17:26
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/

If Obama were re-elected, 48 percent of voters say they would feel the “country’s improving” and they would “look forward” to another four years, while almost as many -- 42 percent -- say they would feel the country is “going down the drain” and would “dread” a second term.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/#ixzz235v2a85m

jakebrake
08-09-2012, 17:27
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/

If Obama were re-elected, 48 percent of voters say they would feel the “country’s improving” and they would “look forward” to another four years, while almost as many -- 42 percent -- say they would feel the country is “going down the drain” and would “dread” a second term.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/#ixzz235v2a85m

does this tell you how many are on the public teat?

JerryVO
08-09-2012, 17:49
What worries me is the anti someone candidate never wins, al gore and bob dole proved that, and Romney is definitely the anti Obama candidate . If the candidate can not stand on their own and generate passion in the base they can not win.

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concretefuzzynuts
08-09-2012, 17:51
Three months is a long way out in an election.

JFrame
08-09-2012, 18:09
It's hard to remember (or imagine) now that McCain was ahead in the polls about a month before the election back in 2008.


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HexHead
08-09-2012, 18:23
The polls are over sampling Dems.

JFrame
08-09-2012, 18:27
The polls are over sampling Dems.


Yeah -- by anywhere from 6 to 12 percent, from what I'm hearing...Call it 9 percent in general.


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hogfish
08-09-2012, 18:28
The polls are over sampling Dems.

I heard the same thing today, but it was a GOP'er who said it...so, who knows.

:dunno:

JFrame
08-09-2012, 18:30
I heard the same thing today, but it was a GOP'er who said it...so, who knows.

:dunno:


I may be mistaken, but I believe the people doing the polling (for some of the polls) actually admit that...


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stopatrain
08-09-2012, 18:36
Tell you alot about America when a person like Obama even has a chance.

JFrame
08-09-2012, 18:38
Tell you alot about America when a person like Obama even has a chance.

It speaks to the profound wisdom of Benjamin Franklin:

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.


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hogfish
08-09-2012, 18:49
I may be mistaken, but I believe the people doing the polling (for some of the polls) actually admit that...


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It wouldn't surprise me. That's the way it is, usually...besides asking the questions in a way that will have better chances of a favorable (for 'them') result.

Jarhead247
08-09-2012, 19:28
I still don't think that Romney can win the Electoral College. He needs to win OH, FL, & VA to have a chance. I just don't see him winning all three states (as much as I pray that happens).

JFrame
08-09-2012, 19:30
I still don't think that Romney can win the Electoral College. He needs to win OH, FL, & VA to have a chance. I just don't see him winning all three states (as much as I pray that happens).


Well, we'll definitely see in a few short months... :)


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concretefuzzynuts
08-09-2012, 19:31
Northern Va is a suburb of DC and is full of DC dems. Otherwise we are a pretty conservative state.

callihan_44
08-09-2012, 19:33
i dont believe the polls

countrygun
08-09-2012, 19:37
In an election this close, anyone paying a lot of attention to polls must also enjoy watching fleas fornicate: No big deal and the whole situation will change in a few seconds.

JFrame
08-09-2012, 19:37
Northern Va is a suburb of DC and is full of DC dems. Otherwise we are a pretty conservative state.


I'm counting on you guys to neutralize and overwhelm the idiots surrounding me...

I figure McDonnell's sterling job on the economy, and Cooch's efforts against the Obamacare monstrosity, have to count for something...


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JFrame
08-09-2012, 19:40
In an election this close, anyone paying a lot of attention to polls must also enjoy watching fleas fornicate: No big deal and the whole situation will change in a few seconds.


Eeewwwwwwwwww... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/big/Connie_something-smells.gif


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porschedog
08-09-2012, 20:40
The mainstream media will never run a story saying obummer's lead is slipping or gone

Lethaltxn
08-09-2012, 20:56
I used to rely on polls, until I took my statistics courses. Now I don't bother with any of them.

DOC44
08-09-2012, 21:09
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 43%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

The president enjoyed a bounce immediately following release of last week’s job report. However, the bounce has faded, and the race is back to where it was just before Friday’s report. See tracking history. Following that jobs report, consumer confidence fell to a new 2012 low yesterday and is barely above that low today. Just 24% believe the jobs market has improved over the past year, while 44% believe it has gotten worse.



http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

So many polls are squewed and are disinformation... there are liars, and liars and damn liars.


Doc44

Kablam
08-09-2012, 21:28
Unfortunately this election is being run on the economy. Almost half the "wage earners" pay no income tax the way the tax code is now, about a third of the population is on some kind of gov assistance, and there is a not insignificant chunk with gobs of wealth. Those groups don't care about the economy...they don't have to live on it. Thats why it's hard to generate votes on a platform of "improving" the economy.

cowboywannabe
08-09-2012, 22:11
since bill clinton is putting his two cents in i bet hes trying to get a lot of ladies to take a pole.

series1811
08-10-2012, 06:02
Unfortunately this election is being run on the economy. Almost half the "wage earners" pay no income tax the way the tax code is now, about a third of the population is on some kind of gov assistance, and there is a not insignificant chunk with gobs of wealth. Those groups don't care about the economy...they don't have to live on it. Thats why it's hard to generate votes on a platform of "improving" the economy.

I always look to my welfare sucking ex0daughter in law, with her three children, the last out of wedlock with a guy she barely knew, who she refused to give up for adaption, because she knew what it meant to her in more government support.

She loves Obama, and is focused on only two things in her life. One, not working or lifting a finger, and two, getting every kind of government welfare available. Every time I see her and ask her what's new in her life, she tells me about some new free welfare program she has found and signed up for She is nothing but a leach on society, and raising three kids to think the same way.

She was always a lukewarm voter, and who knows if she will get out of bed the day of the election. But, if she does manage to get herself out of bed and get to the polls, she will be voting for Obama, and proud of it.

callihan_44
08-10-2012, 06:14
I always look to my welfare sucking ex0daughter in law, with her three children, the last out of wedlock with a guy she barely knew, who she refused to give up for adaption, because she knew what it meant to her in more government support.

She loves Obama, and is focused on only two things in her life. One, not working or lifting a finger, and two, getting every kind of government welfare available. Every time I see her and ask her what's new in her life, she tells me about some new free welfare program she has found and signed up for She is nothing but a leach on society, and raising three kids to think the same way.

She was always a lukewarm voter, and who knows if she will get out of bed the day of the election. But, if she does manage to get herself out of bed and get to the polls, she will be voting for Obama, and proud of it.

I feel your pain, I know a very nice lady who is raising 5 kids on $25,000/yr. You do the math on that one, only one of the three fathers pay child support. Handouts have blinded people to the reality of what they can afford to support. As soon as most girls get pregnant the first thing they do is sign up for all the freebees.

JW1178
08-10-2012, 07:48
Well, it's up in the air right now. Romney needs to work on being more favorable. He needs to work on looking Presidential. If fuel prices continue to rise, and the job reports keep getting worse and unemployment numbers continue to rise, Romney will win.

Anyways, figures lie and liars figure. Hardly 1/3 of voters actually vote. So it's all about getting your voters out to the booth to vote for you. Romney really doesn't excite most Republicans and conservatives, and Obama doesn't have the enthusiasem he had in 2008.

If I were Romney I would run my campaign on "Change" because it sure works and Obama can't use it anymore. Clinton used it with great success, so did GW Bush, and Obama used it in 2008, but he won't be able to use it this time. So far I really haven't heard Romney talk about change.

Goaltender66
08-10-2012, 07:58
Yeah -- by anywhere from 6 to 12 percent, from what I'm hearing...Call it 9 percent in general.


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Indeed, here's the sample from this poll:

Democrat 44

Republican 35

Independent/Other 14

DK/DA 6


Based on the 2010 turnout it's hard for me to see how this sample is justified.

Plus, these are registereds, not likelies, and there's an oversample of hispanics where the weighting methodology isn't disclosed.

Skyhook
08-10-2012, 08:01
Tell you alot about America when a person like Obama even has a chance.

What it tells me is 1) The public school system- AKA indoctrination HQ- is doing its job, and 2) We're witnessing the classic struggle of two TITANS: Emotion vs. Reason

Right now, I'm betting (regrettably) on Emotion. It's all - all- about feelings.

heyTJ
08-10-2012, 08:10
I still don't think that Romney can win the Electoral College. He needs to win OH, FL, & VA to have a chance. I just don't see him winning all three states (as much as I pray that happens).


I think Pennsylvania is more important than Virginia.

Skyhook
08-10-2012, 10:09
A little light in the dark.. http://nation.foxnews.com/undefined/2012/08/09/rasmussen-romney-opens-lead-over-obama?cmpid=NL_FiredUpFoxNation

Paul7
08-10-2012, 10:35
If Obama wins, we have officially passed the tipping point where there are more riding in the wagon than pulling it, with no going back. I hate to say it but that day will come at some point due to the growing secularization (tend to vote Dem.) + the growing immigrant population. McCain got the same percentage of the white vote as Reagan did in 1980, but the white percentage of the electorate fell from 88% to 74% in that time span.

JFrame
08-10-2012, 10:48
If Obama wins, we have officially passed the tipping point where there are more riding in the wagon than pulling it, with no going back. I hate to say it but that day will come at some point due to the growing secularization (tend to vote Dem.) + the growing immigrant population. McCain got the same percentage of the white vote as Reagan did in 1980, but the white percentage of the electorate fell from 88% to 74% in that time span.


I'd like to believe that 2008 was a perfect storm of Bush exhaustion/antagonism; hucksterism abetted by the MSM which, for no other reason than greater awareness of the populace, can never be duplicated; a financial collapse 1-2 months before the election; and quite possibly the most inept presidential campaign ever conducted by a GOP candidate.

I'd like to believe that, in any case...


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Bobb G
08-10-2012, 10:50
i dont believe the polls

:agree:

aircarver
08-10-2012, 11:44
The polls have always been gametime in recent history, wielded by a leftist press to create an illusion that their guy is doing better than he is, thus affecting the real vote in their favor.

Problem with this is, as the real vote approaches, they have to pull their slant into line with reality, or look like fools (or knaves) when the final vote is tallied.

This then looks like 'momentum' in favor of their non-favored guy at the last approach of the election ... :supergrin:

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IvanVic
08-10-2012, 12:39
The polls have always been gametime in recent history, wielded by a leftist press to create an illusion that their guy is doing better than he is, thus affecting the real vote in their favor.

Problem with this is, as the real vote approaches, they have to pull their slant into line with reality, or look like fools (or knaves) when the final vote is tallied.

This then looks like 'momentum' in favor of their non-favored guy at the last approach of the election ... :supergrin:

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It shouldn't be surprising that an incumbent President polls well, they usually do. There are definitely credible pollsters out there, if polls are your thing.

Flying-Dutchman
08-10-2012, 14:13
Polls are used to depress the conservative vote…

… And some threads are strategically placed on assumed conservative forums near election time for the same purpose.

DOC44
08-10-2012, 14:21
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 43%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided. See tracking history.





http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Rasumssen is pretty fair and accurate usually.

Doc44

BassCatcher
08-10-2012, 20:57
I am now convinced that Romney will lose in November if he continues down the road he is on.

This road was obvious to me when, during the debates, he was asked if he thought Obama was a socialist. He replied that no, he did not think so, he was just a really nice guy that was in over his head. I remember looking at my wife and saying.."oh no, McCain all over again". When Newt was asked the same question, he replied..."of course he is".

I was pleased to see that Charles Krauthammer has now taken a similar position. The link is below, but Krauthammer is saying that Romney must go after Obama's idealogy, not just his Stewardship (his record). Romney needs to hammer on his socialists statements, think, "you didn't build that", as well as obamacare, his relationship with Wright, Ayers and all the others.

Think about it. All Romney has done is spend the last month trying to put band aids on the wounds Obama has given him. As Laura Ingraham puts it, we are playing croquet while they are playing smash mouth football.

Romney better wake up or it will be John McCain all over again.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Here is the link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-case-against-reelection/2012/08/09/c64ce76c-e250-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_story.html

ICARRY2
08-10-2012, 22:25
I used to rely on polls, until I took my statistics courses. Now I don't bother with any of them.

You know the old saying...

There are lies, damn lies and then statstics.

wjv
08-10-2012, 23:35
A couple biased polls from liberal sources and half the people here are declaring defeat.

Geez. . .

G19G20
08-11-2012, 03:40
The polls are over sampling Dems.

Probably because they see a higher D turnout and I think they're right. Who the hell is excited about Romney other than a good portion of Mormons? NO ONE! But Dems will vote for Obama instead of crossing over, Independents will stay home and Romney doesn't bring out any swing vote Republicans, plus he's burning bridges with the young GOP voters right now with his scorched earth campaign against the Ron Paul folks.

2008 Romney was a much better candidate than 2012 Romney. Romney loses badly in this election. He's such a terrible candidate for so many reasons.


The link is below, but Krauthammer is saying that Romney must go after Obama's idealogy, not just his Stewardship (his record).

That's the biggest problem with Romney. He can't attack Obama on anything because his own record is little different and even his recent comments (Boy Scouts?) are the same. Romney can't attack Obama on anything! Social issues he can try to fake through immense superPAC spending but H2H Romney's record is the same. Romneycare? REALLY? How the hell does he attack Obama on anything with that hanging over his head? This election will be solely about duping the moron voters to turn out. They've both given up on enthusiasm or issues already. Can I predict the lowest turnout Pres election in the last 20 years if Romney and Obama are the the nominees?

beforeobamabans
08-11-2012, 04:56
Polls taken prior to 8AM Eastern today are irrelevant.

Bren
08-11-2012, 05:34
What worries me is the anti someone candidate never wins, al gore and bob dole proved that, and Romney is definitely the anti Obama candidate . If the candidate can not stand on their own and generate passion in the base they can not win.

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Probably true.

series1811
08-11-2012, 08:27
I worked in a statewide political campaign, once, when I was younger. Polls are commissioned for two reasons, one to find out the truth, and second, as flat out propaganda that your candidate is running away with the race to demoralize supporters of the other guy.

Any PR firm that does polling can, and will, provide the poll you want to you for a price.

The candidate I worked for was worried because the opposing candidate was releasing polls saying he was leadling like 55 to 45 per cent while ours were predicting a dead heat, just a few days before the election.

My guy won with 86 per cent of the vote, still one of the highest margins of victory in the state. We never saw it coming, and I don't think the other side did, either. That's how worthless all of the thousands of dollars we and they spent on polling was.