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BonnieB
08-15-2012, 23:58
I have two new .40 mags, and have a hard time loading them.

OK, I'm a girl and have girlie hands. But I can't fully load the mags even with a speed loader. Is that normal? Will the springs relax a bit with use?

Glock40man
08-16-2012, 00:11
Its normal, new mag springs can be stiff at first. Usually after a couple of times of use they "loosen" up. Leave the 12 rounds in the mags for a few days and, you should be able to top them off.

BonnieB
08-16-2012, 00:18
Ah, good suggestion. It didn't occur to me to leave rounds in the mags to compress the springs a bit.

* sigh * only 10 round mags here in sunny California....

MikeG36
08-16-2012, 01:03
Yeah like Glock40 said, load em up and let them sit for a few days. The spring will take a set and soon they will load up easier. I just went through the same thing with my 23 and they are much easier to load (13 rounds) now. Good luck.

BenjiEDF
08-16-2012, 01:10
It is fairly typical to underload a new glock mag 1 round until it breaks in. No worries. Just load 11 for the first couple range trips until it loosens up.

SJ 40
08-16-2012, 01:55
Not all magazine loaders are created equal. http://www.maglula.com/PistolMagLoaders/UpLULA9mmto45ACPmags.aspx Demonstration clip Universal Pistol Magazine Loader - YouTube
You will not ever regret purchasing the Maglula,I don't. I have found that the one 10 round magazine I have to be harder to load than the standard capacity magazines,even though they hold more rounds. SJ 40

BonnieB
08-16-2012, 02:37
I WANT ONE ! Magula Rules. Thanks SJ !

barth
08-16-2012, 02:57
I have two new .40 mags, and have a hard time loading them.

OK, I'm a girl and have girlie hands. But I can't fully load the mags even with a speed loader. Is that normal? Will the springs relax a bit with use?

It's normal and they will relax in time.
Leave your mags loaded and get your new best friend -
an Uplula mag loader.
Nothing wrong with being a girl - I like girls.

Maglula UpLULA Pistol Magazine Loader and Unloader Polymer Black $33.22
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/952670/maglula-uplula-pistol-magazine-loader-and-unloader-polymer-black
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/440x330/primary/952/952670.jpg

agrech
08-16-2012, 03:56
Also, at the range. I find that only loading 10 rounds helps break it in too. And has the added bonus of letting you space your ammo a little bit.

G23G21
08-16-2012, 04:15
BonnieB, I'm also in Kalifornia. I've got a couple G21 10 rd mags that I've had loaded for about a year, and they're STILL hard to load!!! :rant: Dang politians!! :steamed:
You're going to love the Maglula, it makes loading my G21 mags LOTS easier.

kirgi08
08-16-2012, 04:52
I have two new .40 mags, and have a hard time loading them.

OK, I'm a girl and have girlie hands. But I can't fully load the mags even with a speed loader. Is that normal? Will the springs relax a bit with use?

BonnieB, I'm also in Kalifornia. I've got a couple G21 10 rd mags that I've had loaded for about a year, and they're STILL hard to load!!! :rant: Dang politians!! :steamed:
You're going to love the Maglula, it makes loading my G21 mags LOTS easier.

Shoot the guns,it"ll help.I got right at 40 10rnd G23 mags.Range use and round count helps.'08.

4Rules
08-16-2012, 05:50
On tough to seat mags, download at least 1 round. (http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/magazines/)

Richardh
08-16-2012, 10:18
+1 on Maglula.
I've also found that sometimes when I can not get that last round in, I unload and then reload. I do not know why but it seems as though the spring compresses differently. Does not work every time and your mileage may vary!

ghostrider88
08-16-2012, 10:32
The most difficult thing about a new glock getting the last rd in a new mag

coonracing18
08-16-2012, 10:55
no no, the last round in a 22rounder is hard to load..lol..ive only ever used the speedloader that comes with the glock, never the other..heard of them, jsut never had the desire to try i guess..other than a black thumb after loading i usually never have troubles..except that pesky 22rounde:cool:r

BuzznRose
08-16-2012, 11:01
Even the Glock Sensei, Hickok45, likes these:

Magazine Loader - YouTube


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verrot
08-16-2012, 11:35
I have two new .40 mags, and have a hard time loading them.


Are they Glock mags,,, or Asian Glock mags? I've never had any issues loading my Glock 17 mags by hand,,, no loader. I recently purchased a couple of the Asian knock-offs and found that they get stupid hard to load after only 5 or 6 rounds,,, and progressively get worse as they fill up.

I purchased them as a test since I've read many good things about them. They are crap IMO after having both. No comparison in how different they are to load.

Just a thought when I read your post.

skyboss_4evr
08-16-2012, 11:44
Maglula is worth DOUBLE what they charge for them!

BonnieB
08-16-2012, 13:38
Are they Glock mags,,, or Asian Glock mags? I've never had any issues loading my Glock 17 mags by hand,,, no loader. I recently purchased a couple of the Asian knock-offs and found that they get stupid hard to load after only 5 or 6 rounds,,, and progressively get worse as they fill up.

I purchased them as a test since I've read many good things about them. They are crap IMO after having both. No comparison in how different they are to load.

Just a thought when I read your post.

Verrot,

That's the behavior I'm getting, a few rounds, easy in. After about 5, it gets seriously difficult to impossible. Both mags say "Glock Austria" on them, one has a serial (?) number one doesn't.

How do you tell if they're non US or non Austrian manufactured, other than behavior. If my shop sold me non-official Glock stuff, I'm taking it back.

Thanks for the tip,

B

SouthpawG26
08-16-2012, 13:53
As mentioned, it'll get easier with use/spring set.

Also: load 12/13, tap baseplate three times on a table, then tap rear of the mag tube (witness holes facing down) another three times on a table.

ghostrider88
08-16-2012, 13:58
BB Let em sit a few weeks fully loaded sometime this helps

BonnieB
08-16-2012, 14:09
As mentioned, it'll get easier with use/spring set.

Also: load 12/13, tap baseplate three times on a table, then tap rear of the mag tube (witness holes facing down) another three times on a table.

Is this tapping anything like "clicking your heels three times and thinking of Kansas" ?:rofl:

Seriously, I'll try it. What does the tapping do? Jiggle the spring?

SJ 40
08-16-2012, 14:37
Verrot,

That's the behavior I'm getting, a few rounds, easy in. After about 5, it gets seriously difficult to impossible. Both mags say "Glock Austria" on them, one has a serial (?) number one doesn't.

How do you tell if they're non US or non Austrian manufactured, other than behavior. If my shop sold me non-official Glock stuff, I'm taking it back.

Thanks for the tip,

BBonnie
From your description they are factory Glock magazines. The one with what appears to be a ? mark,I think on closer examination is really a 2 on the bottom of the tube and is Glocks latest production.

I find that standard capacity magazines even after they are all broken in load easier that the ten rounders ever will.
Unless you live in a state that restricts standard capacity magazines my best suggestion would be when you purchase additional magazines get the capacity was designed for,not what some politician felt made him feel better or may get him reelected to office. SJ 40

Njanear
08-16-2012, 16:03
Did anyone mention that the MAGLULA UPLULA rules? :supergrin:

HenryinFlorida
08-16-2012, 16:11
Not all magazine loaders are created equal. http://www.maglula.com/PistolMagLoaders/UpLULA9mmto45ACPmags.aspx Demonstration clip Universal Pistol Magazine Loader - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zos_7e-c4t0)
You will not ever regret purchasing the Maglula,I don't. I have found that the one 10 round magazine I have to be harder to load than the standard capacity magazines,even though they hold more rounds. SJ 40

+1 I bought one with my first pistol and it has served me well ever since. It fits my 380, 9mm and 45acp. It will fit your 40S&W as well.

robhic
08-16-2012, 17:08
I do NOT have "girlie hands" but, due to some fine motor skills neurological problems, I canNOT load any of my Glock mags by hand alone. I MUST use the supplied loader at the very least and a MAGLULA at times. It is frustrating. :shocked:

I have tried and tried but about 3 is my limit. I think I got 5 one time in a 15 rd mag but that's it. AND ..... the 10 rounders (IMO) are the hardest to load, anyway. With larger mag capacity, loading 10 in a 15 or 17 round mag is easier than loading all 10 in a 10 round mag.

verrot
08-16-2012, 17:22
How do you tell if they're non US or non Austrian manufactured,

If they are marked Glock Austia,,, they are genuine Glock stuff. The Asian crap mags aren't marked,,, They look almost identical,, but the don't have any Glock/Austria markings on them.

Opie 1 Kenopie
08-16-2012, 17:42
Stay away from Asian magazines.

Stay away from Maglula. A sheepdog loads his dang mags with his dang thumbs. Makes him a better texter too. :)

Bonnie, compressing and RELEASING the spring over and over again is what lightens the spring. A loaded mag will work, but it takes a lot longer. One of the reasons guys here on GT say you can store your loaded mags for years without losing spring strength. C'mon guys, you can't have both.

Take something non metallic like the handle of a wooden spoon. Press the follower to the base plate, compressing the spring over and over again while watching TV. By the time What Not to Wear is over, you will have loosened that mag up significantly. Guys, if you do this make sure the curtains are drawn. The neighbors might not understand what you're doing. :)

BonnieB
08-16-2012, 18:02
Folks, I'm beginning to suspect that Glock uses the same spring in a 10 round mag as a 14.

Perhaps in the interest of interchangeability? If so, no wonder the 14's break in faster.

Njanear
08-16-2012, 18:25
If they are marked Glock Austia,,, they are genuine Glock stuff. The Asian crap mags aren't marked,,, They look almost identical,, but the don't have any Glock/Austria markings on them.

If they are marked Austia, then they definitely aren't Glock from Austria. :supergrin:

Opie: those 10rd mags don't play. I think the followers are intentionally designed to only allow you to put 9.75 rounds in the magazine without the assistance of some form of tool. :embarassed: I have a few that I bought for range mags and while 10 rounds go in the 'standard' mags easily, those mags are a different beast.

Opie 1 Kenopie
08-16-2012, 19:15
I'm lucky that I don't have to mess with those 10round magazines. Never understood how that makes us safer. Although I feel for CA residents who are stuck with them, I think we are lucky in this state to even be able to own and carry guns. Believe it or not there are much worse places for gun owners in the US. If I was stuck with 10 round mags I'd wish for more, but wouldn't feel the least bit undergunnned in a fight. BTW, I'm a BIG proponent of ALWAYS carrying a spare mag, whatever the capacity.

TheExplorer
08-16-2012, 19:21
I keep the mags loaded for extended periods of time, but still have trouble getting the last one in.

robhic
08-17-2012, 10:05
Press the follower to the base plate, compressing the spring over and over again while watching TV. By the time What Not to Wear is over, you will have loosened that mag up significantly.

Sexist! :supergrin: And I heard you were the guy who taught Chuck Norris how to shoot...

SouthpawG26
08-17-2012, 12:14
Is this tapping anything like "clicking your heels three times and thinking of Kansas" ?:rofl:

Seriously, I'll try it. What does the tapping do? Jiggle the spring?

It efficiently stacks the cartridges in the tube and on top of the follower. Ideally they should sit neatly against the back of the mag tube as well.

michael_b
08-17-2012, 12:19
Ah, good suggestion. It didn't occur to me to leave rounds in the mags to compress the springs a bit.

* sigh * only 10 round mags here in sunny California....

I do that too. But with my 17rd mags for my Glock 17, I never load more than 15 rounds. The last two can be a bit hard to get in, so I don't worry about it.

verrot
08-17-2012, 13:37
If they are marked Austia, then they definitely aren't Glock from Austria.

Woopsie Dasies,,,,,, My fingers can't keep up with my brain sometimes.:whistling:

BonnieB
08-17-2012, 13:56
Verrot,

In the computer biz, we call that "finger stammer". As good a term as I've seen, as long as you don't do it on the trigger.

SARDG
08-17-2012, 23:07
...with my 17rd mags for my Glock 17, I never load more than 15 rounds. The last two can be a bit hard to get in, so I don't worry about it.
If I wanted to load to 15, I'd use my G19.

Deputy
08-18-2012, 11:14
Maglula is worth DOUBLE what they charge for them!

I agree!!!! Best doodad ever invented to help load hi-cap mags. :supergrin:

BonnieB
08-23-2012, 23:06
Folks,

I loaded the .40 mags and let them sit for four days, and they're much better now. Not easy, but better. I think the spring kinda got the hang of it. Thanks for your help.

jbglock
08-24-2012, 01:08
I remember those 10 round Clinton mags from Glock. Hated them. They were a lot harder to load than the standard capacity 13 round mags. I don't know how things work in the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia but is it just new gun purchases where you can't get greater than 10 round capacity? If so I'd get some Glock 13 round mags. They are a lot easier to load. Even then I download my mags by 1. I've got 13 round mags that have been in constant use for over a decade and haven't had to replace a spring yet.

Z71bill
08-24-2012, 07:47
I have arthritis in my wrists and hands -

I can still load A magazine or TWO with my fingers - but if I go shoot a few hundred rounds and load the mags without a tool I get to the point where my hands start to weaken and shake - the next day I will not be able to even tie my own shoes - takes all the fun out of shooting.

Uplula is my solution.

It is true - keeping a mag fully loaded does not damage the spring.

It is also true that loading up a mag and keeping it in the gun will help relax the new spring and make it easier to load.

I know BOTH of these are true because I have observed them both many times.

My G21 mags were so tight that after I finally crammed the last round in them and snapped them into the gun I could not rack the slide -

I did this --

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/z71bill/gun%20pics/P1000540.jpg

Trying to duplicate the stress of having a fully loaded mag inserted in a gun.

After a couple weeks - I could rack the slide --

Just an example - not real values. :upeyes:

It is sort of like this. :dunno:

Say a new unused spring is rated at 100 inch pounds :upeyes:

For a gun to function the spring needs at least 50 inch pounds of force.

Leaving a new mag fully loaded for a few weeks takes the force from 100 down to 95.

Leave it loaded for another month takes it from 95 down to 93

Leave it loaded for another year takes it from 93 down to 91

Leave it loaded for another 10 years drops from 91 down to 90.

Leave it loaded for another 10 years drops it from 90 down to 89.75.

Deputy
08-24-2012, 07:54
Z71bill: I have the same problem with arthritis in my hands. I also use the Uplula to load mags. And loading the last round into my G30 I literally have to slam the Uplula with my hand to get the follower down far enough to get that last round loaded. But I think you will have more success doing as one person described and pushing the follower down repeatedly to get the spring to loosen up. That is what really affects the spring.

Z71bill
08-24-2012, 08:18
Z71bill: I have the same problem with arthritis in my hands. I also use the Uplula to load mags. And loading the last round into my G30 I literally have to slam the Uplula with my hand to get the follower down far enough to get that last round loaded. But I think you will have more success doing as one person described and pushing the follower down repeatedly to get the spring to loosen up. That is what really affects the spring.

I agree - the fastest way to loosen up a spring is through repeated cycles of use. But no freaking way I am going to sit and compress a spring 10,000 times - I would need a wrist transplant. :rofl:

If you have a few weeks - my method helps.

It is easy to see with a larger spring - like in a shotgun.

A new Wolff spring for my Remington 870 is 42 inches long - keep gun loaded for a few weeks - take spring out - and it is only 40 inches long.

Leave it loaded for 6 months - it will drop down to 38

By the time it gets down to about 36 inches it stops shrinking - or the change reduces down to the point you don't really notice it.

IMHO - engineers that design the springs know enough to allow for this shrinkage - and when they determine the correct spring - they take this into account.

I have read where some folks think they need to stretch the spring back out to its original length - to make it stronger.

But in reality this stretching damages the spring and makes it weaker.

:dunno:

I never understood why so many hate on using a tool to load mags - like it is some manly man thing.

If I need to dig a hole - I use a shovel

I could dig a hole with my bare hands - but find using a tool makes the job much easier. :rofl:

:wavey:

BonnieB
09-06-2012, 12:40
(snipped)

I never understood why so many hate on using a tool to load mags - like it is some manly man thing.

If I need to dig a hole - I use a shovel

I could dig a hole with my bare hands - but find using a tool makes the job much easier. :rofl:

:wavey:

Hmmm. Yes, one of the definitions of being a human being is the ability to use tools.:snoopy:

dhgeyer
09-06-2012, 15:30
Maglula is worth DOUBLE what they charge for them!

+1

I never would have bought one, but I got one with the range kit that came with my S&W M&P. I was amazed and astounded! Now I use that thing for all my double stack 9mm mags. Wouldn't go to the range without it.

TheExplorer
09-06-2012, 15:37
Problem solved...one of the best gun purchases you'll ever make.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Butler-Creek-Maglula-UpLULA-24222-Magazine-Speed-Loader-Unloader-9mm-to-45-ACP-/330730827666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0117ef92

New23
10-14-2012, 08:36
Is the LULA from Butler Creek the same as Maglula? Or as good?

Click the image or the link under the image. Can't get the link in the first text below to work; it has added characters in it.

Amazon.com: Butler Creek 9mm-.45 Caliber LULA Universal Pistol Loader and Unloader: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41YojCp57wL.@@AMEPARAM@@41YojCp57wL

Deputy
10-14-2012, 08:46
Is the LULA from Butler Creek the same as Maglula? Or as good?

Click the image or the link under the image. Can't get the link in the first text below to work; it has added characters in it.

Amazon.com: Butler Creek 9mm-.45 Caliber LULA Universal Pistol Loader and Unloader: Sports & Outdoors (http://www.amazon.com/Butler-Creek-9mm-45-Universal-Unloader/dp/B001HBHNHE)

Appears to be the same thing. 880 5-star reviews. You know it works. :supergrin:

R2D2
10-14-2012, 11:18
BonnieB

If you haven't purchased one yet, they are coming out in a new color (Hot Pink)

http://www.maglula.com/

The UpLula is the one you want for 9mm to .45ACP
The BabyUpLula is for 22LR to .380ACP

SJ 40
10-14-2012, 11:30
Even if one weren't female it would be hard to misplace the pink version in a range bag. SJ 40

New23
10-14-2012, 20:55
I see from the http://www.maglula.com website that they use the Butler Creek brand, so the item on amazon is the same.

BonnieB
10-14-2012, 22:28
BonnieB

If you haven't purchased one yet, they are coming out in a new color (Hot Pink)

http://www.maglula.com/

The UpLula is the one you want for 9mm to .45ACP
The BabyUpLula is for 22LR to .380ACP

... :yawn:

TK-421
10-14-2012, 23:27
Because pink is a *****in' color? I'd get a Glock in pink if I could.