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snerd
08-16-2012, 01:01
Hmmmmmmm...........
First the Department of Homeland Security ordered 450 million rounds of ammunition (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-is-homeland-security-buying-450-million-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/), then the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) submitted an order for 46,000 rounds of high powered ammo, and now Business Insider reports (http://www.businessinsider.com/why-does-the-social-security-administration-need-174000-rounds-of-ammunition-2012-8) that the Social Security Administration is asking to purchase 174,000 rounds of .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point bullets............

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ready-why-did-the-national-weather-service-request-46000-rounds-of-ammo/

wprebeck
08-16-2012, 01:33
See thread in GNG for great disappointment. The NOAA has, as a division within the agency, something known as the Maritime Fisheries department, or some such title. They apparently act as game wardens at the federal level. Don't know about their specific mission, never even heard of them. But, they're a federal LE agency.

Of course, Glen Beck's retarded site could've done the same Google search as anyone else....but that doesn't sound near as evil as the way they titled it.

barbedwiresmile
08-16-2012, 04:58
While there is plenty to be concerned about with racket commonly known as modern 'government', and while we have clearly crossed the debt Event Horizon and shouldn't be buying anything at the federal level (much less ammo), and while I am obviously a big critic of, to use the GT euphemism, "law enforcement", I have two issues with this article:

First is the use of the term "high powered ammo". It's a term the statists and media use. Like "high powered rifle". It has no meaning.

Second, I'm not sure I would call 174k rounds a "massive" purchase for a debt-sunk, pension bloated federal agency.

JBnTX
08-16-2012, 05:35
Why are the civilian departments of the government arming themselves?

Sure they all have armed sub-departments, but they don't need nearly that much ammo.

If Game Wardens, Couriers and Bank Guards are having massive gun battles, why aren't we hearing about it?

Kingarthurhk
08-16-2012, 05:41
They are probably moving away from the .40 to the .357 sig. Anywhoo, most of these entities have a law enforcement arm, usually investigators. They investigate fraud both internally and externally.

The Post Office has had one for a really really long time as well.

Sam Spade
08-16-2012, 07:20
Ya know, I bet the weeper and his devoted followers would have their heads explode if all the small specialized agencies had everything transferred over to the feebs.

Mission, men, materiel...move it to a centralized agency and listen to them howl.

GAFinch
08-16-2012, 07:32
Agencies are switching over to .357 sig not because they need additional firepower, but because the Secret Service, one of the most respected agencies, adopted it. When you switch calibers, you have to restock your inventory and train on the new ammo.

Stupid, wasteful, unnecessary government spending during a recession.

The Fist Of Goodness
08-16-2012, 07:36
Why are the civilian departments of the government arming themselves?

Sure they all have armed sub-departments, but they don't need nearly that much ammo.

If Game Wardens, Couriers and Bank Guards are having massive gun battles, why aren't we hearing about it?

As I stated in the other thread, 175000 rds would be enough to qualify about 180 agents at my agency per year.

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PawDog
08-16-2012, 07:50
I used to oversee the budget for approximately 500 staff for annual firearms re-qualification, and annually approved the purchase of 60,000 rounds of 9mm, 60,000 rounds of 5.56, and 30,000 rounds of 12 gauge rounds, solely for training purposes. It took around six to eight weeks in rotation to re-qualify all staff.

This didn't include purchases for special ops teams who trained every other month and quarterly, and didn't include ammo purchases for duty carry either.

Given this, purchase of 174,000 rounds isn't a huge purchase for an entire government agency. Also, as the federal fiscal year ends September 30th each year, we had to have all year-end funds or the current fiscal year spent before September 1st every year, or lose the equal funding for the upcoming fiscal year.

Lethaltxn
08-16-2012, 07:55
Also, as the federal fiscal year ends September 30th each year, we had to have all year-end funds or the current fiscal year spent before September 1st every year, or lose the equal funding for the upcoming fiscal year.

This is one of the things that I find incredibly stupid when it comes to government agency budgets.
I have no clue why they just don't roll the savings into next years budget.

The Fist Of Goodness
08-16-2012, 08:13
This is one of the things that I find incredibly stupid when it comes to government agency budgets.
I have no clue why they just don't roll the savings into next years budget.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Agencies are punished for not spending money. If you don't spend it this year, they lower your budget the next year. Things like fuel prices increasing or decreasing are not factored in. Last year, our field office spent a couple thousand dollars buying Hatch gloves for everyone in September. I already have two or three pairs, but was given another.





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PawDog
08-16-2012, 08:18
This is one of the things that I find incredibly stupid when it comes to government agency budgets.
I have no clue why they just don't roll the savings into next years budget.

Agree. I always thought it was hypocritical as we were always directed to be "good stewards of the people's money," yet were forced to scramble to spend year-end funds every year or lose equal funding the next fiscal year.

I also had to justify, in writing weekly, every hour of overtime paid to cover shifts, even though my department was only staffed at around 90% of needed and authorized manpower.

Lethaltxn
08-16-2012, 08:19
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Agencies are punished for not spending money. If you don't spend it this year, they lower your budget the next year. Things like fuel prices increasing or decreasing are not factored in. Last year, our field office spent a couple thousand dollars buying Hatch gloves for everyone in September. I already have two or three pairs, but was given another.


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I know. It's idiocy. It's just spending money for the sake of spending it, because it's there.
But what else do we expect from government.

aircarver
08-16-2012, 09:37
So thaaaaaat's how they're gonna solve their fiscal problem ...... :wow:

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Guss
08-16-2012, 10:32
Yep, they've got armed guards at my Social Security office. I have no problem with it.

G29Reload
08-16-2012, 11:12
So thaaaaaat's how they're gonna solve their fiscal problem ...... :wow:

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Yep. They're gonna use it to off the old people when they come in to inquire why they havent received their checks. Just how Obama rolls. I can see it happening. Thats what i heard on the interwebs anyway. :rofl:

countrygun
08-16-2012, 11:31
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Agencies are punished for not spending money. If you don't spend it this year, they lower your budget the next year. Things like fuel prices increasing or decreasing are not factored in. Last year, our field office spent a couple thousand dollars buying Hatch gloves for everyone in September. I already have two or three pairs, but was given another.





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Budgeting, in most agencies, also has a "trade off" component. That is they submit individual items to create the over all "budget" for the next year but they my not be comitted to a "line item" on each part of the budget.

In other words, some time in the next year after the budget has been approved in total, they can say "Oops I guess we don't need that much ammo as much as we need new office chairs".

If anything was "afoot" that the tinfoilers should worry about it would be in the actual expenditures during the year and the re-allocation of existing funds for purchases NOT ANNOUNCED in the "budget". Or the inter-agency re-allocation of items which do not show up until the end of the year reports of what HAS happened.

series1811
08-16-2012, 12:59
They might be stockpiling it for when they have to tell people that they don't have any money left to pay their retirement after taking all their payments for it all those years.

aircarver
08-16-2012, 13:03
They might be stockpiling it for when they have to tell people that they don't have any money left to pay their retirement after taking all their payments for it all those years.

This ! ... :wow:

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FFR Spyder GT
08-16-2012, 13:24
Howdy PSB,

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSB
The RFQ is for 174 thousand rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition
Part# GSB357SB/29408 357 SIG 125 BJHP B"


You don't use hollow points for target practice.
Poor people don't but Military, LEO's and Feds practice with the same ammo they carry.

When I was in the Military and later as a Gov't employee/contractor we would buy 9mm practice ammo for our MP-5's by the 25,000 round pallets.

10 men shooting 500 rounds a day = 5,000 rounds.

5,000 rounds x 5 days = 25,000 rounds.

So, 46,000 rounds would not last long, not even two weeks.

Plus we shoot .380acp, .38 Special, 10mm, .45acp, .223/5.56, .308 and .300 Win Mag. Plus .22LR in a suppressed Ruger MKII pistol.

Look at a standard Army infantry company of 150 men on range day were they fire 200 rounds through their M-16/M-4. 150 x200= 30,000 rounds in a single day.

30,000 rounds x 5 companies = 150,000 rounds.

Spyder

Goaltender66
08-16-2012, 13:38
When I was in the Military and later as a Gov't employee/contractor we would buy 9mm practice ammo for our MP-5's by the 25,000 round pallets.

10 men shooting 500 rounds a day = 5,000 rounds.

5,000 rounds x 5 days = 25,000 rounds.

So, 46,000 rounds would not last long, not even two weeks.

Plus we shoot .380acp, .38 Special, 10mm, .45acp, .223/5.56, .308 and .300 Win Mag. Plus .22LR in a suppressed Ruger MKII pistol.


For some reason I'm getting Gecko45 deja vu. :supergrin:

frizz
08-16-2012, 14:15
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Agencies are punished for not spending money. If you don't spend it this year, they lower your budget the next year.

When I worked for the Air Force, some of the September shopping sprees were worthy of a Fraud/Waste/Abuse complaint.

series1811
08-16-2012, 14:40
For some reason I'm getting Gecko45 deja vu. :supergrin:

Yes, we have all got that before. :supergrin:

Yessir How High
08-16-2012, 17:22
Yep, they've got armed guards at my Social Security office. I have no problem with it.

LOL

Last time I went to my Socialist Security Office, I walked right in.

No Armed Guard.

Later he came back from his coffee break, I guess, toting his Smith Mod. 66 and to everyone coming in the door, he asked, "Have You got any weapons, knives, etc? and be sure to turn off your cell phone!"

There I was, sitting there with my swiss army knife, a one inch blade on my money clip and my cell phone up and running.

I felt so STEALTHY.

On my way out the door I walked up to him, smiled and said, "Y'all have a good day."

I guess protecting us old Socialist Security Recipients from those awful terrorists is real important, well, unless it's coffee break time.

LOL

Our .gov at work.

Yessir How High

ETA... I forgot.. I also had my leatherman in a pouch on my belt and in addition to its knife blade it also had some needle nose pliers.

LOL

MGGLOCK9
08-16-2012, 17:50
Each federal agency has an Inspector General's Office. In my time in the agency they transitioned from the S&W Mod 10's to the Sig P-228 and a three years ago to SIG .357 in P-229s.

I worked closely with many OIG special agents and they are good people. They get into situations where a sidearm is desirable. Some people engaged in Social Security fraud are white-collar type criminals. But some are on disability because of serious personality disorders. (Psychotics like schizophrenics rarely are involved in fraud-they lack the degree of psychological organization needed for a fraudulent scheme.) Some are stealing money from vulnerable relatives and become frantic when "found out."

I remember telling our agent once as he was going to visit a subject "oh he's 6'2" 340 lbs. And he always carries a cut down .45 in his right front pocket." "oh thanks" he said.

The Fist Of Goodness
08-16-2012, 19:40
LOL

Last time I went to my Socialist Security Office, I walked right in.

No Armed Guard.

Later he came back from his coffee break, I guess, toting his Smith Mod. 66 and to everyone coming in the door, he asked, "Have You got any weapons, knives, etc? and be sure to turn off your cell phone!"

There I was, sitting there with my swiss army knife, a one inch blade on my money clip and my cell phone up and running.

I felt so STEALTHY.

On my way out the door I walked up to him, smiled and said, "Y'all have a good day."

I guess protecting us old Socialist Security Recipients from those awful terrorists is real important, well, unless it's coffee break time.

LOL

Our .gov at work.

Yessir How High

ETA... I forgot.. I also had my leatherman in a pouch on my belt and in addition to its knife blade it also had some needle nose pliers.

LOL

Probably a contract security company.

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