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Kingarthurhk
08-16-2012, 05:26
There is the Republican Model:

http://edu.glogster.com/media/4/25/76/40/25764038.gif

Then there is the Democrat Model:

http://www.symbols.net/guide/_images_sn/watersymbol2.gif

Out of both modalities, I really see nothing for the Middle Class. I personally believe neither party cares abou the largest segment of society.

Looking at both their budget proposals, the concepts are unmistakable.

jeanderson
08-16-2012, 05:50
I really have no idea what your triangles mean, but you have it wrong when you say neither party cares about the middle class. Believe me, they want their votes.

Obama (the Marxist) believes in taking money out of the treasury and giving it to union firefighters, police, teachers and construction workers. To him, this "stimulates" the economy by putting money in peoples hands so they spend - the Keynesian model. This model has been proved wrong. Ultimately, it creates hyperinflation because the government has to print the money it gives away. As it continues to fail, the government takes more and more money from mostly the higher incomes (including some upper middle-class people) to the point everyone is making the same. The rich can no longer afford to keep businesses and the government starts to take over more of them (GM?) This is the concept behind Marxism - from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

Romney (the conservative real-world businessman) believes in creating an environment where private enterprise can grow and hire more workers. This is achieved by cutting corporate tax rates and keeping taxes on the "rich" (those who invest in the economy) at their present levels or lower them. Cutting capital gains taxes has two effects: It actually raises tax revenues and stimulates investment, which in turn grows the economy. This is called Capitalism - the only system that has proved to work.

With the Democrats and Obama, the economy is a pie that doesn't grow and needs to be cut up in more equitable portions. With the Republicans and Romney, the pie grows, the economy expands, and people at all income levels prosper.

Capitalism works because it is a system of positive incentives that encourages people to work harder and get rewarded for it. Marxism takes everyone, no matter how hard they work, what risks they take or whatever life decisions they make, and makes the outcome the same.

This year, the choice couldn't be clearer for voters in every class.

series1811
08-16-2012, 07:08
First, you have to decide what is the proper definition of "the middle class".

I'll bet everybody on this board would have a different set of parameters for what it is.

And, the Democrats and Republicans are even farther apart.

I consider myself middle or upper middle class, income wise, while I am quite sure the liberal Democrats would consider me upper class or rich.

Brucev
08-16-2012, 07:34
Your visuals are excellent and precisely to the point. The demokrats have no use for the middle class who they consider the enemy of their agenda. The republicans have no use for the middle class except as tools to allow them to benefit their owner/operators. Neither the demokrats nor the republicans have any concern for the best interest of the middle class. They only need the middle class support at election time. The republicans need it especially to offset the otherwise winning majority that routinely supports the demokrats. The demokrats need it for elections such as the one coming in Nov. 2012, where the nation is so very evenly divided that the outcome could go either way. This election is not going to be a repeat of 2008 and they know it. Republicans and conservatives had better do everything they can to get the middle class to go for Romney. It is the best chance they will have to stop the squatter and his fellow domestic terrorists from having carte blanche to do exactly as they please with the supreme court, etc.

countrygun
08-16-2012, 11:39
First, you have to decide what is the proper definition of "the middle class".

I'll bet everybody on this board would have a different set of parameters for what it is.

And, the Democrats and Republicans are even farther apart.

I consider myself middle or upper middle class, income wise, while I am quite sure the liberal Democrats would consider me upper class or rich.

The definition of "middle class" depends completely on which group the politician speaking wishes to unite as a "disenfranchised segment of the population" so the politician can say he is representing them.

Much the same as the definition of "wealthy" is flexible so that desired groups can be excluded from that "evil" caste.

Any time "Middle class" is mentioned it is just a net being thrown over a group to capture their votes.

Kingarthurhk
08-16-2012, 17:40
I really have no idea what your triangles mean, but you have it wrong when you say neither party cares about the middle class. Believe me, they want their votes.

It is pretty simple, really. The First triangle represents the top few and then everyone else at the bottom. If you are looking for an example of this, try the industrial era before child labor laws, or Mexico.

The Second triangle is the bottom running everything, and the top at the bottom. This is more like socialism that you see in Europe. A huge tax bracket for anyone working and those with the most income to support the vast majority that want to hang about all day.