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emt1581
08-16-2012, 19:44
Is it legal to buy one there and bring it back? Any special paperwork needed to show at the border?

Thanks

-Emt1581

4Rules
08-16-2012, 20:49
To legally purchase and take possession of a firearm (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/code-eng.htm) in Canada an individual would need to possess a valid (Canadian) Firearms Possession & Acquisition License (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/lic-per-eng.htm) (PAL). These are available to non-residents; there is a process to follow that requires formal testing (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/safety-securite-eng.htm) (CFSC (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/safe_sur/cour-eng.htm)/CRFSC (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/safe_sur/cour-res-eng.htm)).

If you do not possess a valid PAL, and wanted to buy and export the firearm, you could still make a purchase without taking possession and then arrange for a licensed Canadian firearms dealer to export it to a licensed (American) importer (http://hurricanebutterflyresearch.com/); there is a process to follow that requires an import permit from the United States government, and which may or may not require an export permit from the government of Canada.


Firearm Users Visiting Canada
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm

Licensing
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/lic-per-eng.htm

Firearm Safety-Training Requirements
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/safety-securite-eng.htm

Policy / Legislation
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/index-eng.htm


Controlled Products
Firearms, Related Goods and Ammunition
http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/firearms_armes_a_feu/index.aspx?menu_id=16&view=d

Import Firearms, Ammunition, and Implements of War
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/import-firearms-ammo-implements-of-war.html


Hurricane Butterfly Research Corporation
http://hurricanebutterflyresearch.com/

Deaf Smith
08-16-2012, 21:13
But I hear it is not necessary if you are in the ATF and have Obama/Holder's OK and want to transport a few truck loads there for the local gangs.

Deaf

emt1581
08-16-2012, 21:19
But I hear it is not necessary if you are in the ATF and have Obama/Holder's OK and want to transport a few truck loads there for the local gangs.

Deaf

...you're thinking of Mexico and you have it reversed...you need to be a member of a cartel...

-Emt1581

SPIN2010
08-16-2012, 21:46
Can't just throw one over the fence? :dunno:

Badger54
08-16-2012, 22:23
Does ITAR come into play here?

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youngdocglock
08-16-2012, 22:24
Can't just throw one over the fence? :dunno:

There is no fence lol

arclight610
08-16-2012, 22:37
To legally purchase and take possession of a firearm (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/code-eng.htm) in Canada an individual would need to possess a valid (Canadian) Firearms Possession & Acquisition License (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/lic-per-eng.htm) (PAL). These are available to non-residents; there is a process to follow that requires formal testing (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/safety-securite-eng.htm) (CFSC (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/safe_sur/cour-eng.htm)/CRFSC (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/safe_sur/cour-res-eng.htm)).

If you do not possess a valid PAL, and wanted to buy and export the firearm, you could still make a purchase without taking possession and then arrange for a licensed Canadian firearms dealer to export it to a licensed (American) importer (http://hurricanebutterflyresearch.com/); there is a process to follow that requires an import permit from the United States government, and which may or may not require an export permit from the government of Canada.


Firearm Users Visiting Canada
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm

Licensing
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/lic-per-eng.htm

Firearm Safety-Training Requirements
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/safety-securite-eng.htm

Policy / Legislation
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/index-eng.htm


Controlled Products
Firearms, Related Goods and Ammunition
http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/firearms_armes_a_feu/index.aspx?menu_id=16&view=d

Import Firearms, Ammunition, and Implements of War
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/import-firearms-ammo-implements-of-war.html


Hurricane Butterfly Research Corporation
http://hurricanebutterflyresearch.com/

Sounds expensive

The_Gun_Guru
08-16-2012, 22:44
If it was easy I would have a truck load of Norincos sent to my house!


If it is possible I'm sure it's expensive and a PITA!!!!!!


TGG

WoodenPlank
08-16-2012, 23:07
On another messageboard I frequent, we have a native Canadian that reloacted to the US. He said it was going to cost him several grand just to legally bring a few shotguns from Canada to the US. He was actually better off buying the same guns all over again in the US, other than the ones he had in Canada were family heirlooms.

fnfalman
08-16-2012, 23:13
Just buy the guns off the black market and swim them back across the Great Lakes. If Mexican illegals can swim the Rio Grande with drugs on their back, then I don't see why honest-to-goodness Americans can't swim the Great Lakes with guns on their backs.

cowboywannabe
08-17-2012, 00:09
go to mexico, say your name is jose, ask obama for some full auto machine guns and thank holder when you get them.

BMH
08-17-2012, 03:24
You won't be able to bring any firearm in the country unless it has been registered in the US. You have to fill out an ATF&E form 6 and mail it in. I hear it can take as long as 6 months to get approval.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-3a.pdf

Mercedesrover
08-17-2012, 04:10
I'm interested in this as my mother-in-law has her mother's old .22 that she wants to give to my son. It's in Canada now and I'll be looking into importing it at some time. I've been told it has to be shipped through an importer and get an "import stamp". Not sure if that's true or not but I'd be interested in hearing some first-hand knowledge. Not even sure what kind of rifle it is....I'll have to take a peek at it next time I'm up there.

Bren
08-17-2012, 05:03
I guess the question that comes to my mind is, why would somebody buy a gun in Canada to bring here, instead of just buying it here. I recall a guy in my unit trying to get the paperwork through ATF and whoever to bring an antique bolt-action rifle back from Afghanistan - I believe he left with no rifle at the end of 2 tours. However, I think he had only spent 8-9 months actually trying to get the paperwork.

WoodenPlank
08-17-2012, 06:29
I guess the question that comes to my mind is, why would somebody buy a gun in Canada to bring here, instead of just buying it here. I recall a guy in my unit trying to get the paperwork through ATF and whoever to bring an antique bolt-action rifle back from Afghanistan - I believe he left with no rifle at the end of 2 tours. However, I think he had only spent 8-9 months actually trying to get the paperwork.

Believe it or not, there are guns available in Canada that you can't get here.

SigFTW
08-17-2012, 06:38
I remember back in 1983 my uncle driving us across the country to Canada while carrying pistol.:whistling:

Things were a lot simpler back then.:crying:

MajorD
08-17-2012, 09:16
prior to 2009, it was easy to buy and send home antiques from Afghanistan- I bought and shipped back about 20 rifles during my 2008 tour. After that for some BS reason they greatly increased the difficulty factor- glad I got mine before that./

Victoriagotagun
08-17-2012, 10:03
prior to 2009, it was easy to buy and send home antiques from Afghanistan- I bought and shipped back about 20 rifles during my 2008 tour. After that for some BS reason they greatly increased the difficulty factor- glad I got mine before that./

What rifles did you bring back?

Deaf Smith
08-17-2012, 16:51
...you're thinking of Mexico and you have it reversed...you need to be a member of a cartel...

-Emt1581

Holder can do anything he wants... as long as his boss is in office and Janet Napolitano is busy with her, uh, friends she appointed.

So Holder can do a F&F to Canada now that the MSM have some eyeballs looking south. Not enough deaths in Mexico to help Obama support his gun control so he needs to ship them to Canada.

Deaf

jp3975
08-17-2012, 17:57
Believe it or not, there are guns available in Canada that you can't get here.

Anything of interest?

mac66
08-17-2012, 18:20
An individual can import a firearm from another country, including Canada as long as the firearm is legal in the US. They can't legally bring one back.

Some of you know that I collect Remington Nylon 66 rifles. About 15 years ago I found a rare "Made in Canada" one in Windsor, Canada across the river from Detroit. Remington shipped parts over in the 1960s. The guns were assembled/made in Windsor to get around export taxes and other legal issues.

I jumped through all the hoops and filled out all the forms and 8 months later I got my rifle.

It wasn't easy and it wasn't cheap. Lots of runaround, lots of bureaucratic red tape to cut through. It can be done however. Forms and info is on the ATF website.

WayaX
08-18-2012, 08:42
Believe it or not, there are guns available in Canada that you can't get here.

But a lot of the good ones are subject to 922r and other import restrictions.

ca survivor
08-18-2012, 08:59
leave the people of Canada with the few guns they can get........

cowboy1964
08-18-2012, 14:11
Just curious, why would you even want to do that?

Bren
08-18-2012, 14:18
prior to 2009, it was easy to buy and send home antiques from Afghanistan- I bought and shipped back about 20 rifles during my 2008 tour. After that for some BS reason they greatly increased the difficulty factor- glad I got mine before that./

It's easy if they are pre-1899. They are non-firearms under federal law and you just have to have them checked to be sure. The guy I mentioned had one that was (maybe) slightly later, so it was an actual firearm.

If emt1581 wants to bring back antiques and muzzle loaders from canada, he can do it all day (still probably more difficult and expensive than buying them here).

I guess. None come to mind right off, but if it's some that are not importable here (someone mentioned Norinco)...they're still not importable from Canada if you buy it there, only a little more "not importable."

GIockGuy24
08-18-2012, 21:18
The ATF website still says that for personal use you do not have to go through an importer in the US. That being said, many people on the internet now say that use of an importer is required. That may be possible as to how it really ends up working these days. In the 1980's I bought two handguns from a dealer in Canada and he sent them to a dealer in the US. If the firearms had not already been approved for import, they would have to go to the ATF for approval first and then to a US dealer in your home state. The ATF rules still don't require the use of an importer for that but there may now be other import regulations that apply in addition to the ATF ones. That may be why so many people claim use of an importer is now required but I haven't found that information on the ATF website.

Yankee2718
08-18-2012, 21:47
But I hear it is not necessary if you are in the ATF and have Obama/Holder's OK and want to transport a few truck loads there for the local gangs.

Deaf

You do realize that the ATF gun walking scandal started in 2006 when Bush was in office. Operation Wide Reciever... Most of the information being gathered is pointing to the ATF acting on its own without any approval. Bush and Obama probably never knew it was going on at the time.

RWBlue
08-18-2012, 22:26
You do realize that the ATF gun walking scandal started in 2006 when Bush was in office. Operation Wide Reciever... Most of the information being gathered is pointing to the ATF acting on its own without any approval. Bush and Obama probably never knew it was going on at the time.

Sounds like a good reason to shut down an agency and save the taxpayers some money.

Bananas
08-19-2012, 00:26
Anything of interest?


Russian semi-auto handguns are the only thing I can think of... Probably some other stuff too.

Bren
08-19-2012, 03:37
You do realize that the ATF gun walking scandal started in 2006 when Bush was in office. Operation Wide Reciever... Most of the information being gathered is pointing to the ATF acting on its own without any approval. Bush and Obama probably never knew it was going on at the time.

Actually, no, it didn't. If you even read the livberal double-talk version carefully, it will tell you it didn't and the Democrats are aware that it didn't. Wide Receiver was done with Mexican approval/cooperation and the guns were tracked (not to mention the smaller numbers). F&F was literally just giving guns to criminals with no attempt at law enforcement. The LIbs now try to claim that because the Mexicans were ineffective on their end and didn't maintain the surveillance in Mexico, it was "the same thing." They also don't say it was an ongoing program from 2006, just that Wide Receiver gave this administration the idea. Beyond that, everything going on in Congress has been abpout the evidence that this was approved above ATF level.

Nice stretch. Obama/Biden '12 dude.

faawrenchbndr
08-19-2012, 05:45
You do realize that the ATF gun walking scandal started in 2006 when Bush was in office. Operation Wide Reciever... Most of the information being gathered is pointing to the ATF acting on its own without any approval. Bush and Obama probably never knew it was going on at the time.

You need to educate yourself,........clearly a LOT about these ops you are unaware of.

Kromedome
08-19-2012, 09:51
We can get lots of long guns with a barrel length under 16" in Canada but if I'm not mistaken you guys to the south need special licensing before you can aquire anything like that. Other than a sentimental heirloom, I think it would be way too much trouble for you guys to purchase from Canada instead of just buying at home. That is unless you absolutely must have a Norinco! :whistling:

Yankee2718
08-19-2012, 10:02
You need to educate yourself,........clearly a LOT about these ops you are unaware of.

It's all still gun walking, either way you slice it.

Bren
08-20-2012, 05:00
It's all still gun walking, either way you slice it.

No, actually the difference between "Wide Receiver" and "Fast & Furious" is exactly the reason there is such an uproar about F&F.

One was a law enforcement operation and one, best anybody can tell, was not, since it dropped the enforcement part.

glock2740
08-20-2012, 05:24
Just buy the guns off the black market and swim them back across the Great Lakes. If Mexican illegals can swim the Rio Grande with drugs on their back, then I don't see why honest-to-goodness Americans can't swim the Great Lakes with guns on their backs.
holder and his gang would not allow that to happen. The only way that would be possible is to have Canadians swim the Great Lakes with guns on their backs. And they'd have to be leaving with them.

:rofl:

Yankee2718
08-20-2012, 07:57
No, actually the difference between "Wide Receiver" and "Fast & Furious" is exactly the reason there is such an uproar about F&F.

One was a law enforcement operation and one, best anybody can tell, was not, since it dropped the enforcement part.

Yes, I understand that the enforcement part of F&F dropped off, but Wide Reciever wasn't very successful on the enforcement end either. Both of the operations are gun walking operations. Allowing persons known to be inelligible to purchase weapons to acquire them through some means is gun walking. When person A is buying the gun, but you know it is a straw purchase for person B, and you facilitate it, thats gun walking.

No program like that will ever be successful. I am a registered independent, so I don't have any political dog in the fight. The way F&F has been spun in the media has been mainly for political gain. People try to paint one president as the devil, and another as an angel.

Too many people in America are blind to the reality of politics. People are strongly criticising Barack Obama for "turning America into a socialist country". Those folks need to wake up. Socialism in America started long before any of us were born. People try to tote George Bush as one of America's greatest presidents. He was probably one of, if not the worst. The most nazi like laws were enacted and signed into law by Bush... patriot act... Denying US citizens their constitutional rights. That is the main thing people on this forum complain about when it comes to guns.

Every politician is a politician. They are pretty much all liars and used car salesmen. Those things will never change.

Most likely neither president really knew what was going on with those operations until they blew up. They can be fed a bunch of BS, just like us. The ATF was the agency managing the program. The failure is truly their fault.

GIockGuy24
08-20-2012, 11:26
I bought two CZ-75 pistols from a dealer in Canada and had them sent to a dealer in the US. At the time there was a 60 percent import duty on Czech-made products and that was the reason the CZ-75 wasn't marketed in the US. I had to pay 60 percent import duty for the pistols. The sale of the CZ-75 in the US wasn't restricted at the time but the high import duty kept it from being offered in the US.

gator378
08-21-2012, 09:36
Just buy the guns off the black market and swim them back across the Great Lakes. If Mexican illegals can swim the Rio Grande with drugs on their back, then I don't see why honest-to-goodness Americans can't swim the Great Lakes with guns on their backs.

The Great Lakes are cold. The last time I dove in Lake Superior it was 50 degrees F in August. Even colder at 90 feet down, but crystal clear on that day.

engineer151515
08-21-2012, 09:50
........... The most nazi like laws were enacted and signed into law by Bush... patriot act... Denying US citizens their constitutional rights. That is the main thing people on this forum complain about when it comes to guns.....



Specifically, what "rights" have you been denied under the Patriot Act?

And, you do know that President Barack Obama extended provisions of the Patriot Act that had been set to expire such as permitting surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.


Just something to think about while you rant about Bush.