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railfancwb
08-16-2012, 22:07
Or maybe the real question is when spending for functionality ends and spending on beauty begins. Or how much better at its real purpose is a $5,000 1911 than a $500 one.

glock_19guy1983
08-17-2012, 05:39
Handle a wilson supergrade and your question will be answered.

bac1023
08-17-2012, 05:51
There's a world of difference between a $500 1911 and one costing ten times as much. Its parts quality and parts fitting.

Check out the link in my signature.

glock2740
08-17-2012, 07:02
Or you could buy a $500 1911 then watch some videos and read a few books and make it as good or better than a $5000 1911 yourself...:whistling:

glock_19guy1983
08-17-2012, 07:20
Or you could buy a $500 1911 then watch some videos and read a few books and make it as good or better than a $5000 1911 yourself...:whistling:

yeah right! you stand just as much chance of learning to be a navy seal in a week. $5k 1911s are built by guys that have YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. You arent going to get that with a few books and youtube videos. Go to 1911forum and ask Wilsoncombatrep how much experience the guys that build super grades have.

MD357
08-17-2012, 08:19
yeah right! you stand just as much chance of learning to be a navy seal in a week. $5k 1911s are built by guys that have YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. You arent going to get that with a few books and youtube videos. Go to 1911forum and ask Wilsoncombatrep how much experience the guys that build super grades have.

Lighten up francis.....

Two things here..... notice the smiley.... then look up the word facetious.

To the OP yes you notice a difference. Does it matter to you? Depends on what you actually use it for and what tax bracket you're in.

bac1023
08-17-2012, 09:22
Or you could buy a $500 1911 then watch some videos and read a few books and make it as good or better than a $5000 1911 yourself...:whistling:

:rofl:

I think we scared Frank off a couple months back, but he sure was entertaining.

:animlol:

bac1023
08-17-2012, 09:23
yeah right! you stand just as much chance of learning to be a navy seal in a week. $5k 1911s are built by guys that have YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. You arent going to get that with a few books and youtube videos. Go to 1911forum and ask Wilsoncombatrep how much experience the guys that build super grades have.

Uh, he was kidding...

glock_19guy1983
08-17-2012, 09:35
:rofl:

I think we scared Frank off a couple months back, but he sure was entertaining.

:animlol:

guess I must have missed that. sarcasm doesnt always translate well online.:rofl:

bac1023
08-17-2012, 09:38
guess I must have missed that. sarcasm doesnt always translate well online.:rofl:

Yeah, Frank had an ATI. ;)

MajorD
08-17-2012, 09:51
huge difference between say a 500-600 RIA or SA and my 1500 les baer. I DO feel the increments of improvement or quality get smaller as you go along- as in big differnece between 5-600 and 1500 much less between 1500 and 4 grand

dakrat
08-17-2012, 10:51
there is no such thing as too much 1911. people's wallet size varies.

Quack
08-17-2012, 11:02
too much is what one would pay for a Cabot 1911.
Cabot (IMO) is not worth the asking price and hype they have on their website. The samples that they had at SHOT were crap.

Now the guns built by the LTW guys are well worth the money as they are well built.

okie
08-17-2012, 11:49
too much is what one would pay for a Cabot 1911.
Cabot (IMO) is not worth the asking price and hype they have on their website. The samples that they had at SHOT were crap.

Now the guns built by the LTW guys are well worth the money as they are well built.

I may go to hell for this, but the Cabot Jones 1911 is a butt ugly gun:puking:

Quack
08-17-2012, 12:05
I may go to hell for this, but the Cabot Jones 1911 is a butt ugly gun:puking:

There is nothing appealing about the Cabot's

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bobandshawn
08-17-2012, 13:11
How much is too much for a car?

:faint:

bac1023
08-17-2012, 14:12
i may go to hell for this, but the cabot jones 1911 is a butt ugly gun:puking:

:agree:

broncobuddha1
08-17-2012, 14:35
huge difference between say a 500-600 RIA or SA and my 1500 les baer. I DO feel the increments of improvement or quality get smaller as you go along- as in big differnece between 5-600 and 1500 much less between 1500 and 4 grand

I agree. I'd say for those that can't afford a Wilson, Nighthawk or Ed Brown, a Dan Wesson or Les Baer would be the way to go.

faawrenchbndr
08-17-2012, 15:26
Or maybe the real question is when spending for functionality ends and spending on beauty begins. Or how much better at its real purpose is a $5,000 1911 than a $500 one.

Think of a $10k Kia vs a $80k Mercedes............

FireForged
08-17-2012, 16:52
I am not a gun snob or a brand snob.. I like 1911's just fine but I am not in love with them and dont consider them GOdz of the gun world. That being said.. I have owned several 1911's that worked perfectly well anywhere from $400 Rock Island to a $500 Springfield to a $750 Colt.

I guess to me... anything more than $999 (out the door) is rifle country and I wont spend more than that on any pistol.

bac1023
08-17-2012, 17:31
I guess to me... anything more than $999 (out the door) is rifle country and I wont spend more than that on any pistol.

It is you.

That's what I never understood. Why is it more practical to spend more on a rifle than a handgun?

...because its bigger?

At $999, you haven't even scratched the surface of the 1911 world.

seanmac45
08-17-2012, 17:35
I have found my upper limit and it is $3,000.00. For me, and I stress ME, that is the most I feel comfortable paying for a 1911. Above that price I feel the law of diminishing returns is in effect.

None of my guns are purchased for investment or collection purposes. They all have to be able to ride in a holster on my hip. The ceiling of 3k leaves me as much room as I need for those purposes.

Quack
08-17-2012, 17:51
It is you.

That's what I never understood. Why is it more practical to spend more on a rifle than a handgun?

...because its bigger?

At $999, you haven't even scratched the surface of the 1911 world.

I've never understood why people spend $$$ on AR's and hang every widget off of them.

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faawrenchbndr
08-17-2012, 18:06
I am not a gun snob or a brand snob.. I like 1911's just fine but I am not in love with them and dont consider them GOdz of the gun world. That being said.. I have owned several 1911's that worked perfectly well anywhere from $400 Rock Island to a $500 Springfield to a $750 Colt.

I guess to me... anything more than $999 (out the door) is rifle country and I wont spend more than that on any pistol.

What do you drive? Kia or Mercedes? :dunno:

glock2740
08-17-2012, 18:11
too much is what one would pay for a Cabot 1911.
Cabot (IMO) is not worth the asking price and hype they have on their website. The samples that they had at SHOT were crap.

Now the guns built by the LTW guys are well worth the money as they are well built.
Ditto.
I may go to hell for this, but the Cabot Jones 1911 is a butt ugly gun:puking:
And ditto.

Hokie1911
08-17-2012, 18:29
It's value is however much you are willing to spend. Same for a watch, car, etc etc etc...

glock2740
08-17-2012, 18:52
It is you.

That's what I never understood. Why is it more practical to spend more on a rifle than a handgun?

...because its bigger?

At $999, you haven't even scratched the surface of the 1911 world.
I agree and really, at $999, you haven't scratched the surface of the optics world for rifles, if you want to get down to it.

glock2740
08-17-2012, 18:55
It's value is however much you are willing to spend. Same for a watch, car, etc etc etc...
I don't really agree with that, as you can say that a Casio tells time the same as a Rolex and a '81 Chevette, that burns a quart of oil per mile, still gets you to work the same as a Mercedes would. :dunno:

faawrenchbndr
08-17-2012, 19:03
True a Chevette will get you to work as a Mercedes will.
The comfort, security & dependability of the Mercedes will far exceed
those of the Chevette. Your 1911 collection shows you believe in that as well. :whistling:

Hokie1911
08-17-2012, 20:53
I don't really agree with that, as you can say that a Casio tells time the same as a Rolex and a '81 Chevette, that burns a quart of oil per mile, still gets you to work the same as a Mercedes would. :dunno:

It was a reference to value and what one deems something is "worth". What's worth it to you isn't worth it to the next guy. A Casio may tell time, but not as accurately and clearly will not last as long or be as durable as a Rolex. The analogy of the '81 Chevette is just silly as it is burning a quart per mile, it won't be getting you to work long. :tongueout:

glock2740
08-17-2012, 21:28
What if you only live a few miles from work?...:whistling:

:rofl:

CDR_Glock
08-17-2012, 21:58
Too much for a 1911 if you have to finance one. The interest will make it cost more than the gun is worth.

Otherwise, a 1911 is a personal decision based upon ability to appreciate the difference in performance or how it's built. Reliability, precision and what installs confidence is all each person should strive for, with his or her respective budget.

If that's an $850, $1900, $3500 or a $5500/more 1911, then that's an individual's wish.

More importantly is the individual knowing what role that particular firearm will play. Those high end guns are not "Catch and Release" sorts of items. However, they will hold their value. If times are hard, then one can count on getting that money back out of it.

Zombie Steve
08-17-2012, 21:58
How much is too much for a 1911

When you're happy they disconnected phone service because it stops all the collection agencies from calling.

3rdgen40
08-18-2012, 02:36
My $500 Citadel works for me, now that I have tweaked it a bit...:supergrin:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:29
I've never understood why people spend $$$ on AR's and hang every widget off of them.

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Exactly, Don.

Is it more practical to spend big bucks on a plastic rifle than well fit 1911?

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:31
I agree and really, at $999, you haven't scratched the surface of the optics world for rifles, if you want to get down to it.

Very true.

I'm all about fine rifles, but I never understood why its more practical to spend higher dollars on a rifle.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:33
When you're happy they disconnected phone service because it stops all the collection agencies from calling.


:rofl:

sawgrass
08-18-2012, 06:15
When you're happy they disconnected phone service because it stops all the collection agencies from calling.

Gotta feed a healthy addiction!:rofl:

faawrenchbndr
08-18-2012, 07:04
At what point do you admit that you are 1911addicts.com :dunno:

brisk21
08-18-2012, 07:41
Too subjective of a question. Even a $450 1911 will run and be accurate. If you can afford it, and have the interest, $5000 isn't too much.

Zombie Steve
08-18-2012, 07:53
At what point do you admit that you are 1911addicts.com :dunno:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1114474

Tim151515
08-18-2012, 08:04
To each their own. Theres a lot of guys that are into the very high quality handguns. For me, I only like spending 4 digits if its on a rifle, but thats because I only shoot handguns at 15 yards and in.

Lethaltxn
08-18-2012, 08:59
I am not a gun snob or a brand snob.. I like 1911's just fine but I am not in love with them and dont consider them GOdz of the gun world. That being said.. I have owned several 1911's that worked perfectly well anywhere from $400 Rock Island to a $500 Springfield to a $750 Colt.

I guess to me... anything more than $999 (out the door) is rifle country and I wont spend more than that on any pistol.

This is my feeling as well, but I don't begrudge others for wanting to spend to their hearts content.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 09:39
To each their own. Theres a lot of guys that are into the very high quality handguns. For me, I only like spending 4 digits if its on a rifle, but thats because I only shoot handguns at 15 yards and in.

This is my feeling as well, but I don't begrudge others for wanting to spend to their hearts content.

I still don't understand why some justify spending big bucks on a rifle, but not a handgun?

That that it matters, but I'm curious.

If anything, its a handgun that you'll defend your life with.

I'm not talking about fine big game rifles that you're taking on a safari. I'm talking about plastic black rifles to use at the range with a bunch of tacticool gadgets all over it.

I like shooting ARs as well, but why do people justify spending more on plastic rifles over finely built 1911s or other handguns?

Lethaltxn
08-18-2012, 10:07
I still don't understand why some justify spending big bucks on a rifle, but not a handgun?

That that it matters, but I'm curious.

If anything, its a handgun that you'll defend your life with.

I'm not talking about fine big game rifles that you're taking on a safari. I'm talking about plastic black rifles to use at the range with a bunch of tacticool gadgets all over it.

I like shooting ARs as well, but why do people justify spending more on plastic rifles over finely built 1911s or other handguns?

IMO, most quality handguns you buy will be more than reliable for self protection.
I wouldn't spend any more than $1500 on an AR platform. That to me would cover a quality rifle, optics and accessories.

I also think for some it may be what's seen by the eye. Outside of a high end 1911 being a very good looking firearm, most folks can't relate to people what's on the inside (trigger jobs, sears, ect.). Don't know if that makes sense.
An AR, someone can put all the doo-dads on it and show their buddy, it's something they can see and point to and interact with. JMO, YMMV.


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sawgrass
08-18-2012, 23:00
The thing that makes me say hmmmm... is what makes a particular bug bite. Why is one plenty of so many types and you just can't get enough of another?

As far as the actual question it just depends on what makes you happy. After all this is simply a hobby until it becomes an addiction for whatever sets you on that ride.

faawrenchbndr
08-19-2012, 06:12
IMO, most quality handguns you buy will be more than reliable for self protection.
I wouldn't spend any more than $1500 on an AR platform. That to me would cover a quality rifle, optics and accessories.......



$1500 will get you a rifle & accessories,.......a quality optic & mount
will easily cost $500+

Lethaltxn
08-19-2012, 07:21
$1500 will get you a rifle & accessories,.......a quality optic & mount
will easily cost $500+

Depends on accessories. I don't need all the fancy lasers and stuff.
That's me though, I can't speak for others who load their ARs down with extra stuff.

Snaps
08-19-2012, 14:36
depends on what you want to pay for it. I've got everything from a cheap Auto Ord I bought in a bag missing some parts for less than I could buy a hi-point. And I've got a fully custom Colt that should be here around Xmas.

If you're happy with what you spend it on there's no such thing as too much money.

I'm hte kind that enjoys tinkering with stuff, went to gunsmithing school, armorers courses and the like, so I figured I'd be perfectly happy with going cheap and building my own to be a good gun. And I have one now, but I still have always wanted a custom Colt. So now I'm buying one.

What's that line, buy once cry once? May be true, but I just like the platform and I have about a half dozen now

Snaps
08-19-2012, 14:37
$1500 will get you a rifle & accessories,.......a quality optic & mount
will easily cost $500+

haha, yea I've got a few rifle scopes that cost 1500 :faint:
I've never understood why people spend $$$ on AR's and hang every widget off of them.

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I'm one of those, and I can actually explain it. While I'll never use or need most of the stuff, I wanted a gun setup the exact same as the rifle I deployed with. I have two guns setup like the two rifles I went with. The second was the M4 and while I don't need the stuff on it, I'm very good with it and very familiar with all the controls and handling of it so if I ever would need a gun... muscle memory more or less.
I still don't understand why some justify spending big bucks on a rifle, but not a handgun?

That that it matters, but I'm curious.

My $.02 on that one, because quality gets a lot more important the further away your target gets. Lets say you have a handgun that gives you a 2" group at 10yards, it'll still kill whatever you're looking at if you need it too. Rifles are for shooting stuff a lot further away.

ALTHOUGH, it did amaze the hell out of me, first shooting I was ever in happened A LOT closer than I expected. I don't think I had mentally prepared for that kinda thing, but still further than I'd have been comfortable with a pistol. And that optic/mount I had at the time was more than people buy Glocks for. I think that's where the money comes in, rifles are better killing guns that pistols to most people.

The purpose of a pistol is to get to your rifle ;) I can't remember where I heard that but I agree with it.

ca survivor
08-26-2012, 17:06
any pics of the Cabot Jones 1911, you all talking about ???? thanks
edit: never mind found one and YES uglyyyyy

faawrenchbndr
08-26-2012, 17:18
haha, yea I've got a few rifle scopes that cost 1500 :faint:


Yep,.......I have two. :supergrin:

glock2740
08-26-2012, 17:34
any pics of the Cabot Jones 1911, you all talking about ???? thanks
edit: never mind found one and YES, they are VERY Fuglyyyyy

Fixed it for you. :rofl:

oldnoob
08-26-2012, 17:54
any pics of the Cabot Jones 1911, you all talking about ???? thanks
edit: never mind found one and YES uglyyyyy

Is that what Taurus 1911 trying to be?

glock2740
08-26-2012, 18:16
Is that what Taurus 1911 trying to be?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

jrs93accord
08-29-2012, 17:49
Exactly, Don.

Is it more practical to spend big bucks on a plastic rifle than well fit 1911?

I will chime in here and say no to that. What ever you pay for something, you need to make sure it is worth that price. I have a lot of money tied up in AR15s and a lot tied up in 1911s. I believe in getting more bang for the buck. I try to build my ARs with a budget in mind and get the most I can with that in mind. I do not buy cheap crappy products just to save a few dollars. I want quality, but at a reasonable cost. The same holds true for buying 1911s. For some, it is hard to justify spending more than $1K on a 1911. To me, you are just scratching the surface at that price. Most good quality 1911s are going to exceed that price by a little to a LOT. You can find a good quality 1911 for less, but are they going to hold up to the rigors of regular use. Personally, I have never spent any more than $1800 for a 1911 (1918 Colt M1911). That is not to say that I would not spend more, because I would if I could. There are several high quality 1911s that I would love to own, but I do not devote all of my finances to just one type of gun or any one thing in general. Brian has the nicest high quality 1911s I have ever seen in a collection. He has some excellent collector pieces. These 1911s are in the thousands of dollars each. He also has some in his collection that cost around $400. It all depends on what you want and what it is worth to YOU.

mleroux21
08-30-2012, 23:40
It was a reference to value and what one deems something is "worth". What's worth it to you isn't worth it to the next guy. A Casio may tell time, but not as accurately and clearly will not last as long or be as durable as a Rolex. The analogy of the '81 Chevette is just silly as it is burning a quart per mile, it won't be getting you to work long. :tongueout:

A Casio will actually tell time better than a Rolex. It will also be more durable. A Rolex is actually prized more for its craftsmanship and overall attention to detail than its time keeping ability. Ask any Rolex owner if they check and adjust the time on their watches.

Just saying....that your anology is silly as well. :tongueout:

Marc

fallenangelhim
08-31-2012, 07:52
For me, anything over what I can reasonably afford is too much. And let's be honest, as gun enthusiast we go to extremes to say something is affordable.

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bac1023
08-31-2012, 08:50
I will chime in here and say no to that. What ever you pay for something, you need to make sure it is worth that price. I have a lot of money tied up in AR15s and a lot tied up in 1911s. I believe in getting more bang for the buck. I try to build my ARs with a budget in mind and get the most I can with that in mind. I do not buy cheap crappy products just to save a few dollars. I want quality, but at a reasonable cost. The same holds true for buying 1911s. For some, it is hard to justify spending more than $1K on a 1911. To me, you are just scratching the surface at that price. Most good quality 1911s are going to exceed that price by a little to a LOT. You can find a good quality 1911 for less, but are they going to hold up to the rigors of regular use. Personally, I have never spent any more than $1800 for a 1911 (1918 Colt M1911). That is not to say that I would not spend more, because I would if I could. There are several high quality 1911s that I would love to own, but I do not devote all of my finances to just one type of gun or any one thing in general.

As usual, James, your posts are very well thought out.