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bac1023
08-17-2012, 15:40
Actually, I have two holy grail pistols, but its now one down, one to go. :supergrin:

This is simply called the Korth Autopistol and was designed and developed in Germany by Willi Korth himself in the early 1980's. I believe production started in the mid to late 80's, but was very limited and has since been ceased. I recall calling Korth USA a few years ago to inquire about them. I was told they still had a few new models available for the price of $30,000 each - no thanks. I was also told less than 300 were ever made and only a fraction made it to the States. This particular model is chambered in 9mm and in beautiful 98-99% condition inside and out. The Korth started out in only 9mm, but was later offered in other calibers to include 40S&W and even 357 Sig. Mine is a earlier example, hence the old Korth logo and West German origin marked on the slide. It has the original spec Mauser extractor and was probably built by Willi Korth himself, as he built most of the early models. The earlier models had a "P" in front of the serial number. Its number 122 out of the 289 supposedly built. As I mentioned, production of this extremely fine pistol has long since ended. The serial range stops at 285, with four other special serial numbered models built. Out of the 289, I'm not really sure how many are in the States, but its not a whole lot. I'd say half at best, but probably fewer.

I'll fully admit that they are peculiar looking pistols, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. While it doesn't have the graceful, sleek lines of, say, a Sig P210, I love its exotic flare and I love hand built German firearms. These pistols were billet machined from solid steel and the attention to detail is incredible. Like my Korth revolver, everything just clicks into place. You can see it a little in the pics, but the machining around the hammer, sights, extractor, etc has to be seen in person to fully appreciate. The matte blue finish is completely even and smooth. I especially love the thin walnut strip inserted into the steel on the backstrap. This can be seen in a couple of the pics. Even the lettering on the slide and frame is absolutely perfect and precise. As you can imagine, this firearm is hefty and weighs in at 43oz unloaded. All that precision workmanship comes at a price, however. While I got it for less than a third the price of a new model, it is still the most I ever spent on a single firearm.

This is some info, including a PDF of the owners manual I found online. Interesting stuff indeed...

http://www.korthusa.com/pistol_en.htm

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/korth-e.html

http://stevespages.com/pdf/korth_semi-auto.pdf


Also, please check out this awesome Youtube video of a Korth pistol collection for sale. Talk about high quality, wow! Besides the incredible machining, the finishes alone are simply amazing. Start it from the beginning in 720p HD, switch it to full screen, and enjoy. I've watched it in its entirety a few times now. :cool: Its a must for anyone who appreciates high quality German handguns or is just a fan of incredible German engineering. I find the video fascinating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7GTDNUcXcQ&feature=youtu.be


As many of you probably know, Korth is much better known for their fine revolvers and I've owned a Korth Combat 357 for years now and its the nicest, finest revolver I own. However, I bought it unfired and it has remained that way. This auto, however, will see a trip or two to the range, as its already been fired. If something breaks, I'm pretty much screwed, so I need to be careful.

I've wanted one of these for a LONG, LONG time. Check out this thread from almost exactly one year ago. You can't see the Gunbroker auction in the link anymore, but the one I bought was the model being auctioned.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1364297

The auction had a buy it now price of $12,000. As you can see, I mentioned in the thread I would spend up to $7,000 on it. Well, we settled on $8500 shipped a month or two after the auction ended. However, I sent him an extra $100 for holding it for me for so long, nearly a year, in fact.

There has been exactly one on GB since. It popped up about a month ago and its still there. On one of the auction cycles, somebody bid $9000 and it didn't meet the reserve. The funny thing is that its not in as good of condition as mine. It is a later model, judging by the serial number (162 vs mine at 122). It also has the newer Korth logo, though I think I like the older logo on my two Korths better. Besides that, "Made in W.Germany" looks cooler to me than "Made in Germany" does. Also, you can see the serial number lacks the "P" prefix. You can see the extractor is smaller in the newer pistol. Its not the Mauser extractor that mine has. I'm not sure if it functions better or worse, but the Mauser extractor sure looks cleaner. I do like the polished bluing it has, whereas mine has a matte blue finish.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=300743449


Most of the Korth pistols had the rounded trigger guard, whereas mine is flat in the front. I'm not sure which production years the flat trigger guard was used, but in the video, I believe only the engraved model had the flat guard like mine. However, on the website picture pages, most the models have the flat trigger guard. I prefer the rounded, but its not a big deal either way. The world guns website (link above) calls the square guard an "alternative shape". I guess it was an option. What's cool is the fact that even though the outside of the trigger guard is squared, the inside is round. Like I said, I'm in awe at the machining of this handgun. I can just stare at it. Its really that impressive. The grips are walnut and show a nice grain pattern. The checkering is some of the nicest I've ever seen on wood grips. Its Nill quality.

The design itself has no safety or decocker, just sort of a quarter cock position. Its designed to be carried (I'm not sure who would carry such an expensive gun) with the hammer on quarter cock and a round in the chamber. Korth pistols use a locking breech designed by Willi Korth. It uses a tilting locking piece below the barrel near the muzzle. Its a very intricate design. Obviously, this is a double action, single stack pistol. As with the Sig P210, the ergonomics of this pistol are a mixed mag. The grip is comfortable and the slide release is positioned right, but the mag release sits high on the frame and is hard to reach. The Korth does point well though.

Anyway, enough with my rambling already. As you can tell from my excitement level, this was, in fact, the best gun purchase of my life. It even surpasses my Valtro 1911 purchase a couple years back.

Here are some pics. As you can see, there are no import markings anywhere. Its a very clean pistol.

I know this was a long read, but please take the time to watch the video and maybe look at some of the links. I''d really like to here your thoughts.

Thanks!


http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3886/007awz.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6239/010ycp.jpg

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1620/013djo.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4655/012ry.jpg

bac1023
08-17-2012, 15:40
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8830/018tj.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6885/015mqu.jpg




You can see in these pics, just how well done the lettering is. Everything about this gun is amazing quality. :cool:


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/2545/023tuv.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8093/019rwc.jpg

bac1023
08-17-2012, 15:41
Here are a couple pics of the gun with the slide open, so you can see the intricate machining. Its pretty wild, really. On the right side of the gun, you can also see that the serial number is stamped in three different places, the slide, the frame, and on the barrel "shroud" (for lack of a better term).


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7519/039zn.jpg

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9739/041pj.jpg




Here is a pic of it with my other Korth. As you can see, my Korth Combat revolver has a polished blue finish. :cool:



http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4318/036bu.jpg






I've added these pics of the backstrap, so you could see the cool walnut grip insert. Its a very nice touch.

You can now also see the awesome slide to frame fit. There are no gaps, no spots tighter than others, no rounded corners, it looks like it was drawn by a pencil and ruler. Its ridiculous, actually.


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/200/002kvq.jpg

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1642/003djp.jpg

jakebrake
08-17-2012, 15:48
cost you about a kidney, or a first born?

editor's note...those are gorgeous.

Angry Fist
08-17-2012, 15:51
:cheers: Outstanding!

kirgi08
08-17-2012, 15:58
:wow: :faint: :cool:

I love your revolver,I ain't seen a semi before.'08. :thumbsup:

kirgi08
08-17-2012, 15:59
:wow: :faint: :cool:

I love your revolver,I ain't seen a semi before.'08. :thumbsup:

ca survivor
08-17-2012, 16:10
like everything you own, niiiiiiice

rgregoryb
08-17-2012, 16:11
of Korth you would need one.................nize!!!!

Bruce M
08-17-2012, 16:19
Hearty congratulations, Sir. I can understand why that one would be the find of a lifetime.

TheGrimReaper
08-17-2012, 16:22
Looks a lot like a Bretta PX-4.

faawrenchbndr
08-17-2012, 16:44
Sweet Mother Mary,..........the Unicorn of firearms!

Outstanding find Brian, congrats! :cool:

Breadman03
08-17-2012, 16:53
I don't have the time to read the links now, but I'm bookmarking this just to read them next weekend.

That is a sweet pistol, even ignoring the price tag. I'm particularly intrigued by how the barrel appears to operate. It looks truly unique.

dnuggett
08-17-2012, 17:04
Very cool and an amazing find. Waiting almost a year... wow. Not sure if I could have held on that long. I've been sitting on something for two months and it's really starting to bug me.

evilspringer
08-17-2012, 17:33
Very very cool bac. Another great add!
Congrats

John Biltz
08-17-2012, 17:39
Congratulations. You always have the nicest guns.

bac1023
08-17-2012, 17:43
Sweet Mother Mary,..........the Unicorn of firearms!

Outstanding find Brian, congrats! :cool:

Thanks Greg

They are not easy to find.

bac1023
08-17-2012, 17:44
Very cool and an amazing find. Waiting almost a year... wow. Not sure if I could have held on that long. I've been sitting on something for two months and it's really starting to bug me.

I was waiting for the deposable income to role in. I don't exactly keep that kind of money in my checking account. ;)

I owe the seller a big thanks as well.

Sikiguya
08-17-2012, 17:48
Now that you found it, are you going to Disney World? LOL.


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bac1023
08-17-2012, 17:50
Now that you found it, are you going to Disney World? LOL.


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:animlol:

Maybe, but not until I find my other holy grail pistol...

faawrenchbndr
08-17-2012, 17:50
Thanks Greg

They are not easy to find.

I have only heard of one behind glass.........:whistling:

bac1023
08-17-2012, 17:51
Anyone watch the video? :)

faawrenchbndr
08-17-2012, 17:55
Anyone watch the video? :)

Yep,..........

got2hav1
08-17-2012, 18:04
So Bac what is the other HG pisol?:supergrin:

Jade Falcon
08-17-2012, 18:14
Oh, if only I had your money, Bac! You are very blessed.

Congradulations bro!

bac1023
08-17-2012, 18:18
So Bac what is the other HG pisol?:supergrin:

Take a guess...

Its German too. :cool:

raven11
08-17-2012, 18:32
Take a guess...

Its German too. :cool:

.45 ACP Luger?

Zombie Steve
08-17-2012, 18:43
Brian, I have to say you've helped my marriage. Any time my wife starts in about new toys, I show her these threads. It works.

Thanks, amigo.

:thumbsup:

bac1023
08-17-2012, 18:53
Brian, I have to say you've helped my marriage. Any time my wife starts in about new toys, I show her these threads. It works.

Thanks, amigo.

:thumbsup:

:rofl:

That's funny, Steve ;)

bac1023
08-17-2012, 18:56
.45 ACP Luger?

:rofl:

No, it's actually something obtainable. :cool:

Berto
08-17-2012, 19:01
No light rail?





Oh well, we can overlook the minor things.:supergrin: Congrats!!!

glock2740
08-17-2012, 19:01
Super Congrats Brian. :thumbsup: You're on the roll of all rolls. This is "The Summer of Brian". :cool: So, I'm assuming that a range report/torture test review is coming soon...:whistling:


:rofl:

Comedian
08-17-2012, 19:11
Interesting pistol. Looks heavy. Let us know how she shoots!

gruntmedik
08-17-2012, 19:13
Holy ****!!

:notworthy:

bac1023
08-17-2012, 19:50
Super Congrats Brian. :thumbsup: You're on the roll of all rolls. This is "The Summer of Brian". :cool: So, I'm assuming that a range report/torture test review is coming soon...:whistling:


:rofl:
:rofl:

Thanks Joe.

You're having a pretty awesome summer yourself. You picked up some great stuff and, more importantly, you discovered Gunbroker. :supergrin:

Beanie-Bean
08-17-2012, 19:51
bac,

Congrats again on an amazing find! I'm really enjoying reading about your outstanding additions.

bac1023
08-17-2012, 19:51
Interesting pistol. Looks heavy. Let us know how she shoots!

Sure is

43oz empty :shocked:

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
08-17-2012, 19:58
Very cool!

BuckyP
08-17-2012, 20:14
Wow, what a phenomenal find. Super Congrats.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

Anyone watch the video? :)

Watching now. The should stock system is very clever.

So Bac what is the other HG pisol?:supergrin:

Take a guess...

Its German too. :cool:

We need a separate thread, guess Bac's final holy grail pistol.

I'll go with the Borchardt??

c01
08-17-2012, 20:55
Awesome pistol. I watched the video but had to pause it for for a minute because I felt guilty drinking a Coors Light during the presentation. Lol.

D

ddbtoth
08-17-2012, 20:57
Never buy the last pistol that you desire--wanting is always better than having, at least that's what I keep telling myself. Congrats-that's a beautiful pistol!

ronin.45
08-17-2012, 22:11
Awesome find, Brian!

I've only see those in books. That is a huge addition to your 9mm collection.












I still think the Pardini is prettier though:supergrin:

ronin.45
08-17-2012, 22:13
I'm guessing it's a Bergmann.

jp3975
08-17-2012, 22:34
Tagged to find out Bac's other hg pistol.

Very cool gun. Congratz.

38 Super Fan
08-17-2012, 22:39
Way to go Brian! What can I say, absolutely incredible addition. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AK_Stick
08-17-2012, 22:41
Not very often I see a gun that I'm jealous of. Congrats, you scoundrel!


Very beautiful gun.

Cole125
08-17-2012, 22:46
:wow: Congrats man!

Now for the question of the day, are you going to shoot it?

bac1023
08-17-2012, 22:54
Awesome pistol. I watched the video but had to pause it for for a minute because I felt guilty drinking a Coors Light during the presentation. Lol.

D

:rofl:

steve1911
08-18-2012, 00:11
Awesome pistol!

Congrats.


1911club#410

M&P15T
08-18-2012, 05:00
$8600?

No other words come to mind at this moment.

Morgo
08-18-2012, 05:36
Congrats bac, love the design :)

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:38
We need a separate thread, guess Bac's final holy grail pistol.

I'll go with the Borchardt??

Maybe I should set that up. ;)

Good guess, but its not an antique firearm or even a real old firearm.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:43
I'm guessing it's a Bergmann.

Another good guess, but, like I said, its not real old gun. I don't collect 19th century or even pre WWII 20th century guns.

My other HG gun was developed and produced about the same time as the Korth auto.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:44
Way to go Brian! What can I say, absolutely incredible addition. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Cody :thumbsup:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:47
:wow: Congrats man!

Now for the question of the day, are you going to shoot it?

I plan to Cole.

As I mentioned in the thread, its not unfired, so I really have nothing to lose...






...except breaking the most expensive gun I own. :embarassed:


Seriously, I don't see how something could go wrong. Its very fine, but also very solid.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 05:48
$8600?

No other words come to mind at this moment.

Yeah, it was a chunk. However, its not out of line from what I spent on a couple of my 1911s.

M&P15T
08-18-2012, 05:56
Yeah, it was a chunk. However, its not out of line from what I spent on a couple of my 1911s.

Well, you know me.

I'm sitting here doing the math, figuring out the ultimate bad-ass AR I could build for that money.

I swear I think for that kind of money, it could have a Javeline missle system hanging off the Troy quad-rail.:rofl::rofl:

I'm sure you're just as happy with that beauty as I would be with an AR with a missle system attached to it.

PzGren
08-18-2012, 05:59
Congratulations!

I was waiting for that.

BuckyP
08-18-2012, 06:08
I swear I think for that kind of money, it could have a Javeline missle system hanging off the Troy quad-rail.:rofl::rofl:


What, yours doesn't have that already? :headscratch:





:kidding:

GAFinch
08-18-2012, 06:27
Another good guess, but, like I said, its not real old gun. I don't collect 19th century or even pre WWII 20th century guns.

My other HG gun was developed and produced about the same time as the Korth auto.

An MP5 would be cool. It is 9mm.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 06:43
Well, you know me.

I'm sitting here doing the math, figuring out the ultimate bad-ass AR I could build for that money.

I swear I think for that kind of money, it could have a Javeline missle system hanging off the Troy quad-rail.:rofl::rofl:

I'm sure you're just as happy with that beauty as I would be with an AR with a missle system attached to it.

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 06:44
An MP5 would be cool. It is 9mm.

Very true :cool:

Not really a pistol though, in the traditional sense of the word.

Its not an HK or a Sig, for that matter.

PzGren
08-18-2012, 06:46
That leaves only the Korrihpila.

Duck and cover for the bank statement! But I am sure, that I can trace one for you much cheaper, or the next Korth semi auto.

Hour13
08-18-2012, 06:47
Brian, every time I see one of your "new toy" threads, I'm astounded, impressed, occasionally blown away. But this?

I'm floored. What an incredible find, congrats. Would love to see some close-ups of that back-strap, and the guts whenever you strip it down.

Your other HG is driving me nuts! Not old, still obtainable, and you don't have it yet?

C'MON!!!

bac1023
08-18-2012, 06:48
Congratulations!

I was waiting for that.

Thanks.

You were one of the few I told about it, as you're an avid Korth fan and shooter.

Did you check out the video and links? Of course, you've probably seen the links before. The video is fairly new though.

Hour13
08-18-2012, 06:49
Its not an HK or a Sig, for that matter.

Lol, ya, I was thinking the Sig P210...

But I guess not.

:tongueout:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 06:51
That leaves only the Korrihpila.

Duck and cover for the bank statement! But I am sure, that I can trace one for you much cheaper, or the next Korth semi auto.

I figured you would guess my other HG pistol too. :cheers::cheerleader::rock::number1:

That said, I think I may have mentioned that to you before as well. :embarassed:

Its not quite as expensive as the Korth auto, but certainly not cheap.

PzGren
08-18-2012, 06:52
Thanks.

You were one of the few I told about it, as you're an avid Korth fan and shooter.

Did you check out the video and links? Of course, you've probably seen the links before. The video is fairly new though.

Bryan,

I had the chance to visit the old Korth shop in Ratzeburg before it was clsoed. I spent some time with the master gunsmith and he took the time to explain everything to me.

Where the guns were blued, where they got the grips from. I know where the maker of the grips got the wood from.

Korth has not been a factory but a small customs shop and quality is what old Willi cared for.

I know a guy that knew Willi Korth personally and picked the gun up at his shop.

PzGren
08-18-2012, 06:54
I figured you would guess my other HG pistol too. :cheers::cheerleader::rock::number1:

That said, I think I may have mentioned that to you before as well. :embarassed:

Its not quite as expensive as the Korth auto, but certainly not cheap.

Cheap it is by no means! Money-, or qualitywise:cool:.

My heartfelt congratulations again! You are living our dreams.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 06:56
Lol, ya, I was thinking the Sig P210...

But I guess not.

:tongueout:

I've got a couple of those already...


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1372/055dqt.jpg

Hour13
08-18-2012, 06:57
I've got a couple of those already...


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1372/055dqt.jpg

Of course you do...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


:cheers:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 07:29
Brian, every time I see one of your "new toy" threads, I'm astounded, impressed, occasionally blown away. But this?

I'm floored. What an incredible find, congrats. Would love to see some close-ups of that back-strap, and the guts whenever you strip it down.



Thanks for the kind words. :)

bac1023
08-18-2012, 07:31
Your other HG is driving me nuts! Not old, still obtainable, and you don't have it yet?

C'MON!!!

Well, its obtainable compared to a 45ACP luger. :embarassed:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 08:12
As requested, here are a couple pics of the backstrap. The walnut insertin the steel is a cool touch.

Its also hard not to notice just how incredibly tight and consistent the slide to frame fit is. There are no gaps, no spots tighter than others, no rounded corners, it looks like it was drawn by a pencil and ruler. Its ridiculous, actually. :cool:

I'm really in awe at how this gun is built.


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/200/002kvq.jpg

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1642/003djp.jpg

bac1023
08-18-2012, 08:19
Bryan,

I had the chance to visit the old Korth shop in Ratzeburg before it was clsoed. I spent some time with the master gunsmith and he took the time to explain everything to me.

Where the guns were blued, where they got the grips from. I know where the maker of the grips got the wood from.

Korth has not been a factory but a small customs shop and quality is what old Willi cared for.

I know a guy that knew Willi Korth personally and picked the gun up at his shop.

That's wild. I'd like to know more about the bluing and grips when you have some time. Both are a work of art.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 08:20
My heartfelt congratulations again! You are living our dreams.

Thanks, my friend.

You have some pretty damn nice guns yourself.

got2hav1
08-18-2012, 08:27
Take a guess...

Its German too. :cool:

More hints please!:supergrin:

Two Guns
08-18-2012, 08:28
Nice score BAC

bac1023
08-18-2012, 08:29
Awesome find, Brian!

I've only see those in books. That is a huge addition to your 9mm collection.


I still think the Pardini is prettier though:supergrin:


Thanks.

I seriously doubt it can shoot with a Pardini. That's just not happening. After all, the Korth wasn't designed as a target/competition pistol. It was basically an experiment by Willi Korth to see how fine a pistol he could build. Pardinis, on the other hand, are out of the box raceguns built in Italy with incredibly smooth actions and amazing triggers. It has an alloy frame, but is still big and heavy. Its only 4 to 5oz lighter than the dense steel framed Korth.

As for looks, well, they're both very exotic in their own way. Italian guns are almost always prettier than German guns though. ;)


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2614/013bk.jpg

bac1023
08-18-2012, 08:30
More hints please!:supergrin:

The cat's already out of the bag, my friend.

PzGren got it before I could even give more hints. I have now started a separate thread to discuss it. :supergrin:

M&P15T
08-18-2012, 09:07
What, yours doesn't have that already? :headscratch:





:kidding:

Bac, I am truly sorry for this thread high-jack, but I gotta share this. I am turning into such an AR nerd, that I've been ticked that civilians can't buy AN/PEQ-15s. Every time I watch Act of Valor, I can't help but feel completely AR in-adequate due to my lack of one.

Soooooo, guess what I found?

That's right, a Chinese air-soft knock off!!! Might last a round or two at the range before it breaks or melts.:rofl::rofl:
http://www.airsplat.com/Images/AC-UPE-PEQ-TAN.jpg

PzGren
08-18-2012, 09:41
The cat's already out of the bag, my friend.

PzGren got it before I could even give more hints. I have now started a separate thread to discuss it. :supergrin:

That sounds serious!

How far are your preparations? Those guns are so rare and hard to find, that you will have to take your time to find a specimen for an affordable price. If you want me to source the German market, please let me know. I still have excellent connections.

While I got a brand new magazine for my P210, which made me happy, you scored big time!

bac1023
08-18-2012, 09:55
That sounds serious!

How far are your preparations? Those guns are so rare and hard to find, that you will have to take your time to find a specimen for an affordable price. If you want me to source the German market, please let me know. I still have excellent connections.

While I got a brand new magazine for my P210, which made me happy, you scored big time!

Thanks, my friend.

As for the Korriphila, I probably won't be a serious buyer until next year (unless the perfect opportunity comes up). Like the Korth, its a once in a lifetime purchase for me, so it needs to be the right one. Like I also said, I sort of have a lead on a 45ACP version. I much rather have a 9mm, since its a European pistol, even though the Korriphila was essentially built for larger calibers. 9mm just sounds right and its my favorite caliber to begin with.

Next year sounds better though. Spending another big sum right now is tough. I've already bought a host of high end guns this year (actually this month) to include a Sig P210-1, HK P9 Sport, a couple Performance Center pistols, and, of course, this Korth. That's not even mentioning the two vintage Hi Powers I have on the way that cost be an arm and a leg and various other less expensive handguns.

I'll keep you posted. If you see or hear of something, please let me know though. :supergrin:

s&wfan
08-18-2012, 10:09
Thanks, my friend.

As for the Korriphila, I probably won't be a serious buyer until next year (unless the perfect opportunity comes up). Like the Korth, its a once in a lifetime purchase for me, so it needs to be the right one. Like I also said, I sort of have a lead on a 45ACP version. I much rather have a 9mm, since its a European pistol, even though the Korriphila was essentially built for larger calibers. 9mm just sounds right and its my favorite caliber to begin with.

Next year sounds better though. Spending another big sum right now is tough. I've already bought a host of high end guns this year (actually this month) to include a Sig P210-1, HK P9 Sport, a couple Performance Center pistols, and, of course, this Korth. That's not even mentioning the two vintage Hi Powers I have on the way that cost be an arm and a leg and various other less expensive handguns.

I'll keep you posted. If you see or hear of something, please let me know though. :supergrin:

You bought a handful of once in a lifetime pistols this month. That is amazing.

ancient_serpent
08-18-2012, 10:11
Congratulations, Bac, beautiful gun!

bac1023
08-18-2012, 10:11
You bought a handful of once in a lifetime pistols this month. That is amazing.

Yeah, some of them were pretty rare. :cool:

skeeter7
08-18-2012, 10:39
Well congratulations once again! What else can I say but that I'm happy for you (and jealous) and hope your journey to your other holy grail pistol is an easy one. I wish I could afford more toys but the Loaded M1A and Colt 6720 I bought this year will only leave funds for my reloading supplies in the winter. No more guns, unless I can trade off my 226 for a 229. Take care!

Wyoming
08-18-2012, 11:17
Congratulation on finding a Holy Grail Pistol.

Remember how I said that 2012 has been great year so far and you still had several more months to out do yourself?

While that was last week and you still have several more months to out do your self.

Now get busy!

bac1023
08-18-2012, 13:45
Congratulation on finding a Holy Grail Pistol.

Remember how I said that 2012 has been great year so far and you still had several more months to out do yourself?

While that was last week and you still have several more months to out do your self.

Now get busy!

Well, I still have those two Hi-Powers on the way. I hope to have them both next week by the end of next week. :)

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1436998

Bow Commander
08-18-2012, 15:45
Bac, thanks for taking the time to preface the pictures with such a detailed history of the pistol and its maker :wavey:

Threads like these are a real treat.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 16:49
Bac, thanks for taking the time to preface the pictures with such a detailed history of the pistol and its maker :wavey:

Threads like these are a real treat.

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for taking the time to read all that. :)

bac1023
08-18-2012, 18:27
No light rail?





Oh well, we can overlook the minor things.:supergrin: Congrats!!!

:rofl:

Thanks

I missed your post earlier today.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 19:53
Congratulations, Bac, beautiful gun!

Thank you sir :cool:

RustyShackelford
08-18-2012, 20:02
Bac, thanks for taking the time to preface the pictures with such a detailed history of the pistol and its maker :wavey:

Threads like these are a real treat.

:goodpost:

Agreed. Even on a couple of the guns I didn't quite get, it was still good to read about and see them.

addict
08-18-2012, 20:18
Dang Brian! Congratulations on that piece of history. Thanks for the link to that video. It was a fun watch. Hope you already have your bid in...:wow:. -Did the auctioneer really drop the slide on that experimental .45 :faint:

Cant wait to see how it shoots!

Addict

method
08-18-2012, 20:19
Kinda funny you bought that, I was looking at Korth guns on GB the other night, and there was an automatic; I thought about throwing a thread up linked to it just for you. I remembered you had a revolver.

I've got a little money in my pocket, and I've been looking for something premium to pick up. I found a shop in town with an amazing selection...cases of old Colt and Smith revolvers and 1911s and all other sorts of very nice vintage pistols, half a dozen Savage 24s, which is something that's not exactly 'premium' but I like them very much, and some variations have some real value... but they're severely over priced. Been trolling classifieds hard this past week, missed a couple of good scores. Thought I had one last night...but what looked to be a 3" S&W 681 for $425 was just a cut down 4".

Anyhow, nice score bac. I'd love to see a single photo of your entire collection arranged just so.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 20:54
Dang Brian! Congratulations on that piece of history. Thanks for the link to that video. It was a fun watch. Hope you already have your bid in...:wow:. -Did the auctioneer really drop the slide on that experimental .45 :faint:

Cant wait to see how it shoots!

Addict


Thanks!

Yeah, I couldn't believe he did that. I don't even do that to my Glocks. He did it on basically the only 45ACP Korth pistol in the world. :faint:

SpectreRider
08-18-2012, 21:41
Most of the Korth pistols had the rounded trigger guard, whereas mine is flat in the front. I'm not sure which production years the flat trigger guard was used, but in the video, I believe only the engraved model had the flat guard like mine. However, on the website picture pages, most the models have the flat trigger guard. I prefer the rounded, but its not a big deal either way. The world guns website (link above) calls the square guard an "alternative shape". I guess it was an option. What's cool is the fact that even though the outside of the trigger guard is squared, the inside is round.

Would a GRINDER fix that up for you? :supergrin:

Seriously, though, that is a beautiful find.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 21:44
Congrats bac, love the design :)

Thanks Morgo :cool:

Bill1954
08-19-2012, 00:29
I had always wanted a Korth .357 revolver. Just never had enough money.

PzGren
08-19-2012, 04:31
It was on a sunny Friday early afternoon in fall 2008 that I pulled into the small weed covered parking lot at Robert-Bosch Str. 11 in Ratzeburg.

There was one modest older car sitting in the parking lot and after I had rung the door bell for a while an older gentleman opened the door and after a brief intro of myself as a Korth owner, he invited me in.

I had the priviledge to be shown the production facility by the chief master gun smith. He gave me a tour of the shop and I saw all the forged revolver frames sitting in the racks and saw all components in its various production stages.

We chatted guns and it became clear very fast, that he was not only extremely knowledgeable but loved his trade and guns. He explained the whole production process to me, that bluing was outsourced to a company in Hamburg, that the grips were sub-contracted at some time (M25 or 26?) and my instant question by the style of the screws was: "Nill?", which he affirmed. I also called Nill at that time and chatted with someone at the factory and learned that they used a wood importer in Hamburg to buy their wood from( T. Nagel, that went belly up last year).

Hardening was also outsourced, if I remember right, also to a firm in my hometown of Hamburg.

I left the shop, which it was rather than a factory, being very impressed with their quality standards and the amount of handfitting that they performed on their guns and it explained the price tag attached to them.

A few months later the shop was closed and it took a while before I got contacted by Korth ( as a registered owner ) that they had re-opened.

I still get their news letter by email like twice a year until now but my love is for the older guns that were made under the watchful eye of old man Willi himself.



Brian,

among my accumulation of things is a Korth sales brochure and pricelist that I had picked up at that occasion, it is mainly in German but pretty self-explanatory. If you want a scan sent as a pdf.file, let me know.

Your beautiful gun is featured in it.

bac1023
08-19-2012, 05:27
That is an awesome story - very cool indeed. :cool:

I thought the grips were Nill, though the wood looks a bit different than what Nill uses for most their other grips.

If you can scan the price list and send it to me, that would be great. I'd be very interested to see it. :cool:

bac1023
08-19-2012, 10:06
Kinda funny you bought that, I was looking at Korth guns on GB the other night, and there was an automatic; I thought about throwing a thread up linked to it just for you. I remembered you had a revolver.



Yeah, I actually linked that Korth on this thread. That guy had a bid of $9000 at one point and it didn't meet the reserve. I think that was foolish. I got mine for less and its in better shape.

zeleny
08-19-2012, 12:18
I owe the seller a big thanks as well.My pleasure.

bac1023
08-19-2012, 12:32
My pleasure.

Michael, your knowledge of these and other fine handguns is very impressive. Thanks and I look forward to doing business with you again in the near future.

Haldor
08-19-2012, 12:50
I figured you would guess my other HG pistol too. :cheers::cheerleader::rock::number1:

That said, I think I may have mentioned that to you before as well. :embarassed:

Its not quite as expensive as the Korth auto, but certainly not cheap.

Well, that is certainly an interesting looking pistol.

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/germany/hg176/1287735888.jpg

Not exactly beautiful, but certainly looks well made.

Haldor
08-19-2012, 12:53
double post

bac1023
08-19-2012, 15:29
Well, that is certainly an interesting looking pistol.

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/germany/hg176/1287735888.jpg

Not exactly beautiful, but certainly looks well made.



Yeah, they aren't beautiful in the traditional sense, but I'm sure they look beautiful in hand. :cool:

GlockPride
08-19-2012, 15:49
In 1930's area voice announcer on the radio: "This just in, folks, BAC sells $130 million in the stock market and puts it in a four letter word that starts with -G".
That's riggghhhttt! G-u-n-s! Bac has gone all in and thinks that market will crash soon and has vested most everything he has in precious metals. Titanium, steel, alloys, nickels and aluminum. No plastic for this guy! He's all in on metals!".

malleable
08-19-2012, 16:03
tagged for later read

bac1023
08-19-2012, 17:30
In 1930's area voice announcer on the radio: "This just in, folks, BAC sells $130 million in the stock market and puts it in a four letter word that starts with -G".
That's riggghhhttt! G-u-n-s! Bac has gone all in and thinks that market will crash soon and has vested most everything he has in precious metals. Titanium, steel, alloys, nickels and aluminum. No plastic for this guy! He's all in on metals!".

:rofl::rofl:

Glock40man
08-19-2012, 21:17
Congrats on another interesting pistol and, thanks for all the information.

PzGren
08-19-2012, 23:03
Michael, your knowledge of these and other fine handguns is very impressive. Thanks and I look forward to doing business with you again in the near future.

That is true! When it comes to SIG P210s he is pretty much the authority on this side of the pond.

bac1023
08-19-2012, 23:06
Yeah, I believe the P210 is his favorite. :cool:

MikeG36
08-20-2012, 01:43
That is one of the coolest most interesting designs I've ever seen. Congrats and enjoy!!

PzGren
08-20-2012, 05:47
Searching for the Korriphila for you, I found a nice Hämmerli 240 in Germany for you, .32 S&W Long WC. I shot one of them and have to admit that it is clear that Hämmerli was inspired by the SIG P210 to find a correpsonding target pistol.

http://www.waffen-beste.de/P24032S_WKleinerGriffGross.jpg

bac1023
08-20-2012, 06:29
Searching for the Korriphila for you, I found a nice Hämmerli 240 in Germany for you, .32 S&W Long WC. I shot one of them and have to admit that it is clear that Hämmerli was inspired by the SIG P210 to find a correpsonding target pistol.

http://www.waffen-beste.de/P24032S_WKleinerGriffGross.jpg

That is very nice.

Thanks for the info. :)

PzGren
08-20-2012, 06:48
And the price is very much right!

I am looking for the Korriphila, so far I only found the sales history of a couple, they were from €1300 to €2400, the Hämmerli P240 that I stumbled upon is €795, a laugheable amount for such a gun.

How much are the Korriphilas that you followed so far?

bac1023
08-20-2012, 08:23
How much are the Korriphilas that you followed so far?

So far, I've only seen this one. Obviously, he would have to come down a bit.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=509225

Its a 45ACP with a shorter barrel. I think Michael Zeleny was trying to help me with it.

PzGren
08-20-2012, 08:32
Wow!

He wants eight grand, ouch. After all, the Korriphila gets better reviews than the Korth in many aspects but that is a lot of money.

Michael has imported a few guns himself and it is not so hard to do for the well informed.

bac1023
08-20-2012, 09:30
Wow!

He wants eight grand, ouch. After all, the Korriphila gets better reviews than the Korth in many aspects but that is a lot of money.

Michael has imported a few guns himself and it is not so hard to do for the well informed.

He's have to come down $2 to $3K for me to consider it.

I do think the Korriphila may be a better gun, but they just aren't valued as high.

fnfalman
08-21-2012, 16:52
Okay, now I must say that I'm just a wee bit jealous of BAC.

bac1023
08-21-2012, 19:25
Okay, now I must say that I'm just a wee bit jealous of BAC.

Don't worry, fnfalman. You have some very fine firearms that I don't have and a very nice collection at that. :)

Wyoming
08-21-2012, 19:30
Okay, now I must say that I'm just a wee bit jealous of BAC.

Don't be!

I bet he doesn't have one High Standard, H & R or a Hawes in he collection. They haven't made them for years. Trying to find used "primo" working men guns will be the impossible Holy Grail guns.:wow:

Poor Brian, he will never have a complete collection.:crying:

bac1023
08-21-2012, 21:48
Poor Brian, he will never have a complete collection.:crying:

There's no such thing as a complete gun collection. :sigh:

GOOFA
08-22-2012, 04:04
There's no such thing as a complete gun collection. :sigh:

Brian... you my friend are damn close. I'm sure your collection is well protected, which got me thinking that your collection is so absolutely *********g gorgeous, that if one ever got away from me the amount you would get back from insurance could never replace what was taken. I'm guessing finding a replacement for some of your favorites would take a miracle. Thanks for sharing.:number1:

bac1023
08-22-2012, 06:37
Thanks Greg :wavey:

vulcan71
06-02-2013, 06:24
You have a nice collection bac1023 thank you for sharing it is rare to see such a nice collection. I have seen one other extensive collection that took an entire day to view and that was my stepmother’s father. His collection was so vast the FBI paid him a visit which turned out to be an event as I was told because he showed off his entire collection while entertaining the agents Lake Tahoe style.

#5xbr
06-02-2013, 21:25
been gone awhile-late to the party-WOW!!!!!

Maine
06-02-2013, 22:31
been gone awhile-late to the party-WOW!!!!!
WOW is all I can say too! Not sure how I missed this thread but I'm glad I saw it this time around.

A big and delayed congrats to you Brian. :thumbsup:

Diesel McBadass
06-02-2013, 22:36
Sweet piece, whats your second holy grail?

bac1023
06-03-2013, 08:04
You have a nice collection bac1023 thank you for sharing it is rare to see such a nice collection. I have seen one other extensive collection that took an entire day to view and that was my stepmother’s father. His collection was so vast the FBI paid him a visit which turned out to be an event as I was told because he showed off his entire collection while entertaining the agents Lake Tahoe style.

Thank you, sir :cool:

bac1023
06-03-2013, 08:05
WOW is all I can say too! Not sure how I missed this thread but I'm glad I saw it this time around.

A big and delayed congrats to you Brian. :thumbsup:

Thanks Tom

Much apprecaited :wavey:

bac1023
06-03-2013, 08:07
Sweet piece, whats your second holy grail?

I started a whole thread about that last year. :cool:

I still don't own one. :crying:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1438243

boilergonzo
06-03-2013, 15:10
I watched the video and learned about the brand. Amazing attention to detail. Your enthusiasm and excitement educated a lot of us here about a gun many of us would not otherwise have known about (at least I was unaware of the brand).

Congratulations on your find, and thanks for sharing.

bac1023
06-03-2013, 21:59
I watched the video and learned about the brand. Amazing attention to detail. Your enthusiasm and excitement educated a lot of us here about a gun many of us would not otherwise have known about (at least I was unaware of the brand).

Congratulations on your find, and thanks for sharing.

Thank you sir

Glad you liked the thread :)

matt_lowry123
06-05-2013, 19:54
Looks really good!!

:cheers:

20South
06-05-2013, 21:27
Serious congrats Brian. Really happy for you.

BenjiEDF
06-05-2013, 21:34
Todays vocabulary word IS:

Vicarious:

"felt or enjoyed through imagined participation in the experience of others: a vicarious thrill."

LOL congrats Sir, I like it. BUT! you are not complete until you get the shoulder stock seen in the youtube video referenced. Yah, gonna need one of those for sure.

bno762
06-06-2013, 10:34
I've been away from here for a while and recently popped back in. Nice pistol bac! Glad I found this thread. Going to watch the original video posted later, got it in my list.

Pier23
06-06-2013, 13:23
Bac,

Any idea what that entire Korth collection would have obtained?

bac1023
06-07-2013, 08:56
Looks really good!!

:cheers:

Serious congrats Brian. Really happy for you.

I've been away from here for a while and recently popped back in. Nice pistol bac! Glad I found this thread. Going to watch the original video posted later, got it in my list.

Thanks guys. I appreciate the kind words. :wavey:

bac1023
06-07-2013, 09:04
Bac,

Any idea what that entire Korth collection would have obtained?

Oh, God only knows.

I'm not sure if it sold at all, sold as one, or sold piece by piece. All together, you're looking at easily six figures. A couple of those would have gone for 10's of thousands by themselves.

:faint:

Cool video though, huh? :cool:

bac1023
06-07-2013, 09:22
I just watched the video again. The pistol featured between 9:35 and 10:35 is identical to the model I own, though its a bit early. The pistol in the video is serial P025 and min is P122.

Mine has the same early extractor. :cool:

CigarandScotch
06-07-2013, 09:23
Outstanding. Thanks for the description and the great pics, too. I have read about Korths before, but never in great detail.

You truly have some of the best guns I could ever imagine owning. Congratulations!

Pier23
06-07-2013, 12:35
Another dumb question, but this is my first exposure to Korth.

Are/were these sold as functional, working pieces to be used, or more of objects d'art to be admired but not really as sporting enthusiast guns?

I can here the groans now as we discuss some Glock-bubba cleaning the barrel with a steel brush from the muzzle...

bac1023
06-07-2013, 14:14
Another dumb question, but this is my first exposure to Korth.

Are/were these sold as functional, working pieces to be used, or more of objects d'art to be admired but not really as sporting enthusiast guns?

I can here the groans now as we discuss some Glock-bubba cleaning the barrel with a steel brush from the muzzle...

Well, I wouldn't really classify the Korth auto as a target pistol. Its not single action only and doesn't have a trigger to compete with guns like a Sig P210, S&W 952, or Pardini GT9. However, that doesn't mean its not a serious shooter.

As for what people use them for, I would say the vast majority of people who own them buy them as collector's items. As for what they were intended for by Korth, is a question I really can't answer. Due to the fact that its a DA/SA design, I guess I have have to say it was intended to be a service gun.

I personally think it was just Willi Korth trying to see how fine a semi auto he could produce. In that, he succeeded. The pistol may have a few equals, but I've never seen a higher quality semi auto than this one.