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bac1023
08-18-2012, 07:28
Now that I have my Korth, I'm setting my sights on my other holy grail pistol that I eluded to, but didn't disclose in the Korth thread.

Well, PzGren guessed it, so a may as well post some info.

Its none other than the Korriphila HSP and, dang, if they aren't hard to find.

I had a lead on one in 45ACP about a month ago, but I've since lost it. Price wise, I can get a good used one in the $5000 range, which is expensive, but not as much as the Korth auto. The Odin's eye version sells for considerably more, but it doesn't appeal to me anyway. That sort of thing never appealed to me. Korriphila also made a couple extremely rare variations which sell for huge sums of money. I'm talking about the standard HSP 701.

Here are some links on the Korriphila pistols...

http://korriphila.com/

http://all-gun.blogspot.com/2009/06/korriphila-hsp-701-pistol-germany.html

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/korriphila-e.html

http://www.gebruikte-wapens.nl/producten/957/korriphila_hsp_701.html

The gun itself is incredibly high quality and quite complicated in its design. Its a big, heavy gun, much like the Korth. It was designed by the Czech designer, Edgar Budichowcky, in Germany. During production, priority was given to quality with cost basically being an afterthought. Like the Korth, the Korriphila is cut from solid blocks of steel to exacting tolerences. You can see the machining in the links. Its amazing. Part of the design is actually similar to the CZ 52, but different in other ways. Of course, the machining and workmanship is worlds better.

If I had to guess, the quality of the Korriphila is every bit as good as the Korth and possibly better in some ways. They generally sell for less only because there were more produced and the company is not as storied as Korth. That's how the collector's market works sometimes. However, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm even more impressed with the Korriphila. That said, it only takes two bidders that need to have it to send prices soaring. From what I understand, the design is better and tougher than the Korth. When both were new and in production, I believe they sold for similar prices.

Even the standard models are very rare and difficult to find. Once again, there weren't many imported to the states. I've actually seen more Korth autos for sale than I have Korriphilas. :dunno:

My goal is to have one before the end of next year and I plan to somehow make it happen. :supergrin:

Has anyone ever owned or even seen one in person? I have not. :sad:

Thoughts?

Hour13
08-18-2012, 07:42
Damn beautiful weapon...

bac1023
08-18-2012, 07:52
Damn beautiful weapon...

Yeah, I agree.

I can't imagine how awesome they look in person or just how great the quality is.

Its German firearm engineering at its absolute best.

Hour13
08-18-2012, 07:59
Yeah, I agree.

I can't imagine how awesome they look in person or just how great the quality is.

Its German firearm engineering at its absolute best.

Well my friend, you've been on a roll lately.
:supergrin:

I have a feeling you'll find out soon enough!



Happy hunting!

:thumbsup:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 08:04
Well my friend, you've been on a roll lately.
:supergrin:

I have a feeling you'll find out soon enough!



Happy hunting!

:thumbsup:

Thanks, my friend. :cool:

I need all the luck I can get trying to track one down. My lead on the 45ACP version may still be alive.

Jim Watson
08-18-2012, 08:50
There is another European, probably German, revolver builder at the yacht level. I do not recall the brand name but prices are right up in there with Korth and they have a lot of interchangeability with multi-caliber models.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 09:01
There is another European, probably German, revolver builder at the yacht level. I do not recall the brand name but prices are right up in there with Korth and they have a lot of interchangeability.

No doubt, Jim.

Janz maybe? They're German.

http://www.jtl.de/english/revolver/revolver_e.htm


Kora is Czech

http://www.korabrno.cz/technoen.htm



Honestly, I'm not much into european revolvers. I enjoy collecting good old Colts and Smiths.

That said, I do want a Manurhin MR73 at some point. I should have one this year, hopefully. They're French and very high quality, but expensive.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/double-action-revolvers/fr/manurhin-mr-73-e.html

s&wfan
08-18-2012, 09:42
That said, I do want a Manurhin MR73 at some point. I should have one this year, hopefully. They're French and very high quality, but expensive.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/double-action-revolvers/fr/manurhin-mr-73-e.html


I am literally going to brag around the internet that I am the one who lit that fire, because I recently talked about these.

I know that I had nothing to do with it, but the timing worked out for me to claim that it was alllll me!!! WOoo!!

Hey, I'm about to ask a "higher end gun" question, and I hope you can give some information.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 10:09
I am literally going to brag around the internet that I am the one who lit that fire, because I recently talked about these.

I know that I had nothing to do with it, but the timing worked out for me to claim that it was alllll me!!! WOoo!!

Hey, I'm about to ask a "higher end gun" question, and I hope you can give some information.

You actually did start the Manurhin fire burning again. However, the seller of the Korth said he was getting some soon and would sell me a nice one.

Here's one of his blogs. He's a very knowledgable collector of fine handguns.

Look how beautiful the MR 73s are. :wow:

http://larvatus.livejournal.com/tag/mr73

Of course, the S&W Registered Magnum is not too shabby either. ;)

s&wfan
08-18-2012, 10:14
You actually did start the Manurhin fire burning again. However, the seller of the Korth said he was getting some soon and would sell me a nice one.

Here's one of his blogs. He's a very knowledgable collector of fine handguns.

Look how beautiful the MR 73s are. :wow:

http://larvatus.livejournal.com/tag/mr73

Of course, the S&W Registered Magnum is not too shabby either. ;)

This might come off as goofy, but you are almost single-handedly responsible for me even knowing about a lot of these top of the line guns.

I was living in a world of GLOCKs and such, and the HK was as top shelf as it got (I still think that HKs are amazing, I'm not saying they aren't), but... man. All of these amazing and rare pistols you have are really just something else. I really appreciate you sharing all of the pictures you share.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 10:25
This might come off as goofy, but you are almost single-handedly responsible for me even knowing about a lot of these top of the line guns.

I was living in a world of GLOCKs and such, and the HK was as top shelf as it got (I still think that HKs are amazing, I'm not saying they aren't), but... man. All of these amazing and rare pistols you have are really just something else. I really appreciate you sharing all of the pictures you share.

Thanks for the very kind words. I'm flattered.

Having said that, I consider HKs top of the line. My P7M8, P7M10, and recently acquired P9 Sport are incredible from a quality standpoint.

I even love my big, plastic Mark 23. :)

While I don't own them, I feel the P30 and HK45 are the best polymer pistols on the market today (not that I'm a huge polymer pistol fan).

Jim Watson
08-18-2012, 11:39
Yes, the Janz is the other deluxe Euro-revolver I was thinking of.

Note that not only is it caliber convertable, each caliber has a different cylinder capacity, from 8 .22s to 5 .454 Casulls. Now that took some ingenuity in action design and construction.


I have an MR73, a well worn Vienna PD surplus gun out of a batch brought in by AIM surplus a number of years ago.
It is a good solid gun, but other than a quest for completeness, I don't see where it has an advantage over S&W.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 11:42
Yes, the Janz is the other deluxe Euro-revolver I was thinking of.

Note that not only is it caliber convertable, each caliber has a different cylinder capacity, from 8 .22s to 5 .454 Casulls. Now that took some ingenuity in action design and construction.


I have an MR73, a well worn Vienna PD surplus gun out of a batch brought in by AIM surplus a number of years ago.
It is a good solid gun, but other than a quest for completeness, I don't see where it has an advantage over S&W.
I'm not sure if any of them have a huge advantage over a good Smith.

Its the collector part of me that wants a Manurhin. :)

ronin.45
08-18-2012, 12:10
Congratulations Brian! Not for getting a high end, rare gun in great condition this time, but for finally coming up with one I hadn't at least heard of. :supergrin

Up to know I've at least known what you were talking about when you mentioned a rare gun, but I can honestly say I had never heard of a korriphila. Wow!

bac1023
08-18-2012, 12:44
Thanks. They are very rare. Korth is much more well known due the their revolvers.

DustyJacket
08-18-2012, 13:08
Now that I have my Korth, I'm setting my sights on my other holy grail pistol ....

Its none other than the Korriphila HSP and, dang, if they aren't hard to find.


Has anyone ever owned or even seen one in person?

You mean, like mine?

http://www.dustyjacket.com/images/kimage.jpg

bac1023
08-18-2012, 13:30
You mean, like mine?

http://www.dustyjacket.com/images/kimage.jpg

:rofl:

Comedian
08-18-2012, 15:48
How do you find this stuff? Very impressive.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 15:49
How do you find this stuff? Very impressive.

Thanks, but I don't have it yet :embarassed:

BuckyP
08-18-2012, 19:49
I have a feeling you'll track one down soon. You are on a roll. So happy hunting.

Until then, we'll be waiting.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

bac1023
08-18-2012, 20:25
I have a feeling you'll track one down soon. You are on a roll. So happy hunting.

Until then, we'll be waiting.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

I may wait until next year to get serious about picking one up.

It doesn't need to be a rush. I certainly bought enough this year. ;)

zeleny
08-20-2012, 20:56
I have an MR73, a well worn Vienna PD surplus gun out of a batch brought in by AIM surplus a number of years ago.
It is a good solid gun, but other than a quest for completeness, I don't see where it has an advantage over S&W.The main advantage the MR73 has over the S&W Model 19 that served as its design inspiration, consists in not breaking. Admittedly, it is of little value to those who don't shoot their guns very much.

Jim Watson
08-20-2012, 20:59
Could be, I have not tried to wear out a S&W. I am waiting for my delicate Pythons to give up the ghost.

MY MR73 was a bit loose from the surplus agent. It took some endshake washers to firm it up.

Oh, by the way, bac, FLD has a RM for sale. I do not know what he is asking for it; after one store here was robbed the gun went back to the owner's safe and the advertising on the net someplace I don't know. I'll get a contact on it.

glock2740
08-20-2012, 21:03
How do you find this stuff? Very impressive.
More than that, where do you even hear of these things? :wow: I've never heard of one. The new museum wing construction has got to be behind schedule by now. :supergrin:

zeleny
08-20-2012, 21:06
Could be, I have not tried to wear out a S&W. I am waiting for my delicate Pythons to give up the ghost.

MY MR73 was a bit loose from the surplus agent. It took some endshake washers to firm it up.I had brand new MR73 revolvers with endshake that I would consider barely acceptable on a postwar S&W. Regrettably, Manurhin's quality control was no better than that of its Bangor Punta-era U.S. counterpart, and each of their revolvers must be evaluated on its own merits. Also, a small fraction of their barrels came from the factory notched for yoke clearance in the manner of the late M19. Nonetheless, they all seem to be immune to forcing cone fractures that plagued the Combat Magnum, discontinued for that reason by S&W.

zeleny
08-20-2012, 21:10
Now that I have my Korth, I'm setting my sights on my other holy grail pistol that I eluded to, but didn't disclose in the Korth thread.

Well, PzGren guessed it, so a may as well post some info.

Its none other than the Korriphila HSP and, dang, if they aren't hard to find.

I had a lead on one in 45ACP about a month ago, but I've since lost it. Price wise, I can get a good used one in the $5000 range, which is expensive, but not as much as the Korth auto. The Odin's eye version sells for considerably more, but it doesn't appeal to me anyway. That sort of thing never appealed to me. Korriphila also made a couple extremely rare variations which sell for huge sums of money. I'm talking about the standard HSP 701.

Here are some links on the Korriphila pistols...

http://korriphila.com/

http://all-gun.blogspot.com/2009/06/korriphila-hsp-701-pistol-germany.html

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/korriphila-e.html

http://www.gebruikte-wapens.nl/producten/957/korriphila_hsp_701.html

The gun itself is incredibly high quality and quite complicated in its design. Its a big, heavy gun, much like the Korth. It was designed by the Czech designer, Edgar Budichowcky, in Germany. During production, priority was given to quality with cost basically being an afterthought. Like the Korth, the Korriphila is cut from solid blocks of steel to exacting tolerences. You can see the machining in the links. Its amazing. Part of the design is actually similar to the CZ 52, but different in other ways. Of course, the machining and workmanship is worlds better.

If I had to guess, the quality of the Korriphila is every bit as good as the Korth and possibly better in some ways. They generally sell for less only because there were more produced and the company is not as storied as Korth. That's how the collector's market works sometimes. However, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm even more impressed with the Korriphila. That said, it only takes two bidders that need to have it to send prices soaring. From what I understand, the design is better and tougher than the Korth. When both were new and in production, I believe they sold for similar prices.

Even the standard models are very rare and difficult to find. Once again, there weren't many imported to the states. I've actually seen more Korth autos for sale than I have Korriphilas. :dunno:

My goal is to have one before the end of next year and I plan to somehow make it happen. :supergrin:

Has anyone ever owned or even seen one in person? I have not. :sad:

Thoughts?Korriphila is still in production, sort of. Edgar Budischowsky is still taking orders. Here (http://waffenamt.net/wa/shop?l=Item%5b116304%5d&lc=en&rp=Catalog&) is a 1987 4" 9mm DA specimen, priced above the newly produced offerings. As you observed, they aren't finished quite as nicely as the Korths, but the fitting is irreproachable, as are accuracy, ruggedness, and reliability. My only quibble is with the single stage SA trigger, somewhat compromised in comparison to the M1911, by the linkage that has to accommodate trigger cocking. But that seems to be par for the course nowadays, as witness Sauer's X-Five and its likes.

bac1023
08-20-2012, 23:53
Thanks for the info Michael.

It's always greatly appreciated.

countrygun
08-21-2012, 00:04
I remember seeing pictures of them, but that was as close as I got.

You certainly have done a fine job of picking up some of the rarest of the high end pistols. I would have to sit down and rack my brains to think of anything in the category, and "modern" you haven't come up with.

The only ones I come up with were generally prototypes, or very limited before being discontinued. We got to see the pics and reports in the magazines of the day, but the real things never showed up in my area.

NEOH212
08-21-2012, 00:12
I've never heard of it but dang is it nice! :cool:

Jim Watson
08-21-2012, 07:39
I remember reading Jeff Cooper to say that since Herr Budischowsky would set the Korriphila up to order he would like one with a right handed thumb safety and a left handed slide stop out of the way.

bac1023
08-21-2012, 09:32
I remember reading Jeff Cooper to say that since Herr Budischowsky would set the Korriphila up to order he would like one with a right handed thumb safety and a left handed slide stop out of the way.

Interesting