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Andy W
08-18-2012, 17:04
Besides Glock, does anyone else make a pistol chambered for the GAP round? Springfield Armory had an XD chambered in .45 GAP for a while but I don't think they make them anymore. Are there any other ones?


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faawrenchbndr
08-18-2012, 17:05
Glocks are the only pistols I know of

Angry Fist
08-18-2012, 17:10
Isn't there an XD, and a few 1911's?

CJStudent
08-18-2012, 17:12
Isn't there an XD, and a few 1911's?

Yes, the XD was chambered in it for a time, as well as the Springfield Armory EMP. Those and the Glocks 37/38/39 are the only ones I'm aware of that were ever chambered in .45 GAP.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 17:15
Isn't there an XD, and a few 1911's?

Not anymore...

bac1023
08-18-2012, 17:16
Yes, the XD was chambered in it for a time, as well as the Springfield Armory EMP. Those and the Glocks 37/38/39 are the only ones I'm aware of that were ever chambered in .45 GAP.

I thought Para made a GAP "1911" for a while too. :dunno:

dnuggett
08-18-2012, 17:27
Springer made a "Defender." http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/01/03/handgun_reviews_springfield_defender_030306/

fastbolt
08-18-2012, 17:28
It seems as though it's pretty much going to be up to the Glock users to keep the cartridge alive.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 17:40
It seems as though it's pretty much going to be up to the Glock users to keep the cartridge alive.

Yep

They should just let it die in peace, as far as I'm concerned.

TheExplorer
08-18-2012, 17:45
Yep

They should just let it die in peace, as far as I'm concerned.

At 3 times the price of 40cal (discount), I think it just a matter of time now.

ronin.45
08-18-2012, 17:45
Yep

They should just let it die in peace, as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed.

If you want the power of a .45 in a small frame, may I suggest the .40S&W. Or just suck it up and shoot an ACP.

Andy W
08-18-2012, 17:50
Yep

They should just let it die in peace, as far as I'm concerned.

The New York, Florida, and Georgia State Police/Highway Patrol all use the G37 as their duty weapon and they all switched over within the last 5 or 6 years so those weapons will still be in service for quite a while. As a result Speer, if no one else, will need to keep making their Lawman and Gold Dot ammunition in this chambering for the next several years.

Yes, thy probably should have went with the 21SF, 22, or even 31 but they didn't.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 17:52
Yeah, I know they use it.

It's a good round, but I don't really understand the need for it.

10mmbob
08-18-2012, 17:58
I realize a few police depts. use it, and it has a few fans in the civilian world, but I always thought it was an excellent solution searching for a problem.

Glock40man
08-18-2012, 17:59
I thought Para made a GAP "1911" for a while too. :dunno:

Yeah, they did.http://http://www.gunsinternational.com/PARA-CCO-GAP-Model-Number-CWX745G-45-GAP-NIB.cfm?gun_id=100041264

bac1023
08-18-2012, 18:02
I realize a few police depts. use it, and it has a few fans in the civilian world, but I always thought it was an excellent solution searching for a problem.

Pretty much.

After all, 45ACP is probably America's favorite pistol round.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 18:03
Yeah, they did.http://http://www.gunsinternational.com/PARA-CCO-GAP-Model-Number-CWX745G-45-GAP-NIB.cfm?gun_id=100041264

Thought so..,

Thanks

Tim151515
08-18-2012, 18:16
whats a 45 gap?

CJStudent
08-18-2012, 18:21
I thought Para made a GAP "1911" for a while too. :dunno:

I wasn't aware of that, but I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility. After the initial intro, I really didn't care for the round, so I stopped really paying attention to it.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 18:24
I wasn't aware of that, but I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility. After the initial intro, I really didn't care for the round, so I stopped really paying attention to it.

They definitely did.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2010/09/24/featured_handguns_paraccogap_052307/

I don't like Paras or the GAP.

michael e
08-18-2012, 18:29
At 3 times the price of 40cal (discount), I think it just a matter of time now.
Not sure where you buy ammo but you are getting screwed. It cost the same as 45acp

USMC03Grunt
08-18-2012, 18:45
Funny thing is I know Glock (of course) currently makes .45 GAP handguns and a few others used to make handguns in .45 GAP and I have even seen 4 boxes of ammo for sale here in Cabela's Rapid City store but that's about it. I mean for me, meeting somebody in person that owns much less shoots that round has been more elusive than a Yeti! I think it's mainly LEO contracts that have been mentioned earlier here that keeps this cartridge alive. I'm sure there are civilian .45 GAP owners but there were folks that owned the .41AE round as well.:whistling:

SouthpawG26
08-18-2012, 18:48
It's a good round, but I don't really understand the need for it.

S&W realized in the early 90s that a 2mm shorter 10mm case would fit double stack 9mm frames.

Glock realized later on, in much the same way, that you could use the same theory to make a 45 fit in 9mm frames.

Same theory, just no luck in attaining that critical mass of customers to make that caliber a genuine succes.

Bruce M
08-18-2012, 18:55
I think there is a derringer that it will shoot it.

http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-guns/bond-ranger

Andy W
08-18-2012, 19:18
How does .45 GAP shoot compared to .40 and regular .45 auto? Is it snappy like a .40 or more of a push?


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ronin.45
08-18-2012, 19:46
Recoil is probably between the .40 and .45ACP. Not as snappy as the .40, but a little more than ACP. A big problem with Gap(other than ammo availability) is low capacity. In the full size 37 you only get 10 rounds. The same frame holds 15 .40s. I'll take 50% more ammo with the same power any day.

Angry Fist
08-18-2012, 19:54
The only .45 knockoff I'd ever want is .40 Super.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 20:38
S&W realized in the early 90s that a 2mm shorter 10mm case would fit double stack 9mm frames.

Glock realized later on, in much the same way, that you could use the same theory to make a 45 fit in 9mm frames.

Same theory, just no luck in attaining that critical mass of customers to make that caliber a genuine succes.

Well, the 40S&W sort of spawned from the 10mm and people complaining about the recoil. That makes sense and now the 40S&W is one of the most popular pistol cartridges in the world (or at least the USA).

The GAP made no sense from the get-go.

bac1023
08-18-2012, 20:39
I think there is a derringer that it will shoot it.

http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-guns/bond-ranger

Interesting

MasterShake
08-19-2012, 00:35
I think there is a derringer that it will shoot it.

http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-guns/bond-ranger

Damn you!! :steamed:


Now I want a 10mm Derringer. :supergrin:

Gregg702
08-19-2012, 01:20
Doesn't the S&W Govener fire .45 GAP in addition to .410, .45 colt, and .45 ACP?

Glock40man
08-19-2012, 02:28
Doesn't the S&W Govener fire .45 GAP in addition to .410, .45 colt, and .45 ACP?

No, it doesn't.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_769651_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

ca survivor
08-19-2012, 08:55
Yep

They should just let it die in peace, as far as I'm concerned.
Amen R.I.P.

bac1023
08-19-2012, 09:04
Doesn't the S&W Govener fire .45 GAP in addition to .410, .45 colt, and .45 ACP?

Nope.

fasteddie565
08-19-2012, 09:32
No, it doesn't.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_769651_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

The Governor does shoot the .45 GAP, in fact in some tests it was the most accurate round.
http://www.gunblast.com/SW-Gov.htm


I do not understand the disdain for this round. Most of the comments in this thread are just regurgitation of the Internet folklore passed on by Condo Commandos or people who do not own a weapon that fires this cartridge.

But I digress..... Keep in mind I have been a died in the wool .45 ACP shooter for over 30 years. I too was skeptical until I met R Lee Ermy in the Houston Airport. He convinced me to buy one. Here is a little bit of information on my personal experience. I own all 3 Glock 45 ACP as well as all 3 GAPS. My EDC is a Kimber Ultra Super carry.



The recoil is less than the 40 as well as the .45 ACP
Even with the 21 and 30 SF versions, the GAP models let you use small Glock frames for 45 ACP ballistics. Granted, the round count is not that of a 30 or .40 caliber, but the combination of grip size, ballistics and round count is unsurpassed.
The ammo can be had for under $20 a box. I buy about 90% of my factory ammo from GT members in the classifieds. My LGS carries it for the same price as .45 ACP. I just started reloading it as well as it is a trifle cheaper that the ACP effort due to the small pistol primer.
I will concede that going to the LGS and getting a "good" price on it is rare, but the ammo is easily available.
The pistols themselves are dirt cheap. I paid $350 for my G 37 NIB, $400 for my G 38 and $450 for my OD G 39 NIB (Which I fear was too much). We see them used for as little as $300.00.
State police departments went to the 45 GAP initially because the got free pistols. Many have replaced their originals with new 45 GAPs. We have some State Police members that are issued them in the Bull Gawg club here on GT and they love thier GAP pistols. Stop by for a visit.

bac1023
08-19-2012, 10:02
The Governor does shoot the .45 GAP, in fact in some tests it was the most accurate round.
http://www.gunblast.com/SW-Gov.htm




I'll be darned. I learn something knew every day. I'm not why someone would buy a one and shoot GAP from it, but to each their own.

To be honest the Governer/Judge never appealed to me.

dudel
08-19-2012, 10:03
Well, you can shoot in just about any modern wheelgun that handles 45 Colt/ 45 ACP. G&A did a review on the S&W Governor, where the GAP was the most accurate round for it.

Quiet
08-19-2012, 10:19
I shoot .45GAP in my .45ACP S&W revolvers.

Some competition shooters do it because it cuts about 1-2 seconds from their time, something to do with the shorter OAL making it faster to manipulate/reload.

fastbolt
08-19-2012, 11:09
The only time I've fired a GAP pistol was when the Glock rep brought a G37 by the range and provided the ammo (200gr).

I remember thinking how similar it felt to shooting a G22 with a 180gr load.

Anyway, I initially thought about picking up a G39, just because I liked the idea of being able to shoot a .45 bullet from a pistol similar in size to my G26/27's. The mid-size G38 seemed like an interesting idea, as well.

The thing that really stopped me was the cost of the GAP ammo at any of the stores.

Also, other than the novelty of being able to have a .45 pistol in something similar to my G26/27, I already had a pretty smallish CS45.

Another factor that eventually caused me to hesitate was the difficulty in locating 230gr loads at that time. Only Winchester listed a good selection of them at the time, and they weren't easy to find. (I've always preferred a 230gr load in .45 ACP, and my .40's ... including my G27/4040PD ... let me shoot 180gr loads.)

I think the GAP allows folks with smaller hands the ability to fire .45 bullets from pistols that fit their hands as easily and as well as 9/.40 pistols, which is a good thing. In the long run, once the .45 caliber bullet leaves the barrel it really doesn't matter which platform was used to fire it, right?

I certainly wouldn't denigrate someone for buying/using one, since I promote any good quality pistol made by a major manufacturer which can be put to effective use by someone in the role of a dedicated defensive weapon. I promote skillset, mindset and tactics. The tool they select (if they aren't restricted to issued equipment) is of much less concern to me.

All that said, I suppose if I were to be offered one for $300 or less (like a factory Demo), and I was guaranteed good access to affordable GAP ammo (of any bullet weight, really), I'd probably add one to my collection for the novelty.

After all, I still have my Ruger SP101DAO, which still sees range time but very little carry time anymore. I'd also not have any objection to being given one as an issued weapon, either. It's still a .45 caliber bullet. ;)

My next gun is going to be a Shield 9, though ... even if they were suddenly to announce a Shield .45. :)

Less debate time ... more range/trigger time. It's just a handgun.

oldsoldier
08-19-2012, 11:26
I had a G39 and it was a good gun. I handload most of my ammo so factory ammo cost was of no concern to me. I found that it ran well with a 185g bullet and HS6. I never achieved published velocities with a 200g bullet and think a 230g was too much bullet for the cartridge. That's just my opinion though. All in all it was a good gun but since I mostly shoot .45 ACP it became a hassle to load just for the one GAP gun and got rid of it.

Cambo
08-19-2012, 11:31
A few years ago, my gun range/store had a brand new G38 sitting in the case for $349 for 9 months. They had about 15 boxes of .45 GAP ammo with dust collecting on it for longer than that. This is a high traffic place that sells at least 4-5 handguns a day.

Sheepdog689
08-19-2012, 15:46
If you need more ammo than this place has then start reloading.....

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/c-69-45-gap-ammo.aspx

Just for price comparison they have Federal .45ACP FMJ for $19.49 a box of 50, Federal .45GAP FMJ for $19.99 so yes, the GAP is ridiculously more expensive than .45ACP...if 50 cents a is a big deal to you. Yes, there is a wider variety available in manufacturers, bullet weights, etc. with the ACP, but do a 15 second search on the interweb and you'll find all the GAP ammo you could ever want.

bac1023
08-19-2012, 15:47
I shoot .45GAP in my .45ACP S&W revolvers.

Some competition shooters do it because it cuts about 1-2 seconds from their time, something to do with the shorter OAL making it faster to manipulate/reload.
Interesting

glock2740
08-19-2012, 15:50
Yep

They should just let it die in peace, as far as I'm concerned.
Ditto.

TheExplorer
08-19-2012, 15:51
A few years ago, my gun range/store had a brand new G38 sitting in the case for $349 for 9 months. They had about 15 boxes of .45 GAP ammo with dust collecting on it for longer than that. This is a high traffic place that sells at least 4-5 handguns a day.

Wow. My stores were happy to sell you one at list, but they NEVER stocked the ammo. Great marketing.

glock2740
08-19-2012, 15:56
To be honest the Governer/Judge never appealed to me.
That's no joke. :puking:

Trey83
08-19-2012, 16:23
Not enough. My favorite Glock was my 37. I am a fan of 45 GAP but it lacks support from the market and I don't see that changing.

ETA- My local range wasn't even willing to take it in on trade.

glock2740
08-19-2012, 16:28
Not enough. My favorite Glock was my 37. I am a fan of 45 GAP but it lacks support from the market and I don't see that changing.

ETA- My local range wasn't even willing to take it in on trade.
Sad but true words. And I'm a HUGE Glock fan. I actually thought about getting a G38 back when they were going for $379 NIB on Bud's, just because it was a Glock proprietary round, but the lack of ammo was a show stopper for me. Plus, I love ribbing the GAPpers on here too much to join them in the quest for the "unholy grail". :rofl:

Glock40man
08-19-2012, 21:08
The Governor does shoot the .45 GAP, in fact in some tests it was the most accurate round.
http://www.gunblast.com/SW-Gov.htm




Interesting. I stand corrected.

AWGD8
08-19-2012, 21:59
How does .45 GAP shoot compared to .40 and regular .45 auto? Is it snappy like a .40 or more of a push?


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I currently have both subcompact 45`s.

Glock 39 45 GAP and the new SA XDs 45 ACP.

I shot with both recently and it is the same. The GAP kicks just a little less , could be bec. Glock 39 slide is wider and thicker? Also the GAP round I used was an FMJ 200 grains.
Whereas, the 45 ACP was 230 grains. Both shoot very accurate. I prefer both or I would say, I am more accurate with these 2 subcompact 45`s than with my Sig P938 subcompact 9mm.

Right now my Glock 39 45 GAP OD is still @ gunbroker waiting for someone to take advantage of me... :supergrin:
With all the extras I am throwing in , I could not believe my eyes that the gun is still @ gunbroker.com -unsold...:faint:

If you do not mind buying ammo online, most GAP 45 rounds can be had for $19.97 FMJ 50 rounds....

Slug71
08-19-2012, 22:16
I like them. Might just end up with all three eventually.

Shoots MUCH nicer than the. 40 IMO. The G38 i shot also shot nicer than my G36.

Every gun store that i ASKED if they would carry it for me said YES.

Underwood Ammo also has reasonably priced GAP.

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ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 10:10
Anyone that says they don't like them i would say they never shot one..Hmmmm let me see the same ballistics as a 45 acp in a smaller frame,smaller round,lighter.. the recoil is a hair snapper then a 9mm and less then a 40...the only negative is the ammo cost in which you can thank your dealers for that, they cost the same as the 45acp but the dealers take advantage of the rarity and jack the price up for a 50% profit...I have CCW courses held at my personal range and i let everyone shoot the Gap and they all love the gun and not one of them gave a neg feedback on it..the majority of them can't believe the recoil.."feels like im shooting a 9mm"is there reply

Foxtrotx1
08-28-2012, 10:40
No, it doesn't.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_769651_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Actually, .45 ACP revolvers WILL fire the GAP fine. Patrick Sweeney did an article where he talked about revo shooters using 45 gap during comp because the brass was shorter and ejected slightly quicker.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63671
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1364265

ronin.45
08-28-2012, 11:23
Anyone that says they don't like them i would say they never shot one..Hmmmm let me see the same ballistics as a 45 acp in a smaller frame,smaller round,lighter.. the recoil is a hair snapper then a 9mm and less then a 40...the only negative is the ammo cost in which you can thank your dealers for that, they cost the same as the 45acp but the dealers take advantage of the rarity and jack the price up for a 50% profit...I have CCW courses held at my personal range and i let everyone shoot the Gap and they all love the gun and not one of them gave a neg feedback on it..the majority of them can't believe the recoil.."feels like im shooting a 9mm"is there reply

The stores around here that got .45GAP ammo in didn't mark it up because it was rare. They marked it down to get rid of it because they were tired of dusting it.

Z71bill
08-28-2012, 12:08
.45 GAP a true Zombie round - :whistling:

ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 21:27
The stores around here that got .45GAP ammo in didn't mark it up because it was rare. They marked it down to get rid of it because they were tired of dusting it.

Ahhh ronin.45 Another gap hater i see...would you be another Dedicated till death do you part 45acp guy???? the reason i question you is because i am from N.E.Ohio also and Gap ammo is not that cheap..fin,feather,fur sells 200gr fmj for $32 bucks + tax, (50)and i seen win hp for $38 +tax some smaller shops don't even sell it..unless you want to share where you seen some of them dusty boxes i can take them off there hands and they won't be so tired....

bac1023
08-28-2012, 21:33
Anyone that says they don't like them i would say they never shot one..Hmmmm let me see the same ballistics as a 45 acp in a smaller frame,smaller round,lighter.. the recoil is a hair snapper then a 9mm and less then a 40...the only negative is the ammo cost in which you can thank your dealers for that, they cost the same as the 45acp but the dealers take advantage of the rarity and jack the price up for a 50% profit...I have CCW courses held at my personal range and i let everyone shoot the Gap and they all love the gun and not one of them gave a neg feedback on it..the majority of them can't believe the recoil.."feels like im shooting a 9mm"is there reply

:rofl:

Perhaps the fact that it only chambered in Glocks might have something to do with it. You don't feel that's a negative?

bac1023
08-28-2012, 21:36
Ahhh ronin.45 Another gap hater i see...would you be another Dedicated till death do you part 45acp guy???? the reason i question you is because i am from N.E.Ohio also and Gap ammo is not that cheap..fin,feather,fur sells 200gr fmj for $32 bucks + tax, (50)and i seen win hp for $38 +tax some smaller shops don't even sell it..unless you want to share where you seen some of them dusty boxes i can take them off there hands and they won't be so tired....

:upeyes:

Let's see, should I support a cartridge that's been around well over 100 years and is chambered in thousands of different firearms or should I support a cartridge that was developed and is solely supported by one company?

Hmmm, 4 posts and all of them about the GAP. Can't we just let this cartridge die in peace? Please?

dkf
08-28-2012, 21:45
I do not understand the disdain for this round.

I somewhat understand it. The die hard 1911 and .45acp fanboys get all touchy when another .45 pistol round comes around. One of the most touchy, whiney and ignorant groups I have ever come across in the shooting community. I like all guns including 1911s so I let them boys play amongst themselves.

I will own a .45gap before I own a .45acp strictly because the gap makes more sense to me from a reloading standpoint. Uses small pistol primers, practically impossible to double charge and etc.

I figure the .45gap round would probably work better in the "micro" 1911s (3" to 3.5" barrel) than the .45acp due to the fact it has a shorter COAL. Those small 1911s are known to have reliability issues.

ronin.45
08-28-2012, 21:56
Ahhh ronin.45 Another gap hater i see...would you be another Dedicated till death do you part 45acp guy???? the reason i question you is because i am from N.E.Ohio also and Gap ammo is not that cheap..fin,feather,fur sells 200gr fmj for $32 bucks + tax, (50)and i seen win hp for $38 +tax some smaller shops don't even sell it..unless you want to share where you seen some of them dusty boxes i can take them off there hands and they won't be so tired....

I shoot mostly 9mm, but I also like the ACP. I've shot all the GAP models and haven't been impressed. They offer nothing new and the ammo usually has to be custom ordered. When the cartridge was first introduced in the 37 our local Gander Mountain got several in. They sat so long they were eventually marked down to $349 and a Glock field knife was included just to get rid of them. The original case of ammo sat on the shelf even after the guns sold. Several of the buyers told me they only got a 37 because they might be collectible someday. Now that the cartridge has been largely ignored for 8-9 years, the few shops that still stock it might have it marked up, but that was not always the case. Many local shops won't stock the guns or ammo unless you custom order it and even then they will try to talk you into a different combo. The GAP fans keep questioning the "haters", but I got news for you, we aren't the crazy ones.

bac1023
08-28-2012, 21:57
I somewhat understand it. The die hard 1911 and .45acp fanboys get all touchy when another .45 pistol round comes around. One of the most touchy, whiney and ignorant groups I have ever come across in the shooting community. I like all guns including 1911s so I let them boys play amongst themselves.

I will own a .45gap before I own a .45acp strictly because the gap makes more sense to me from a reloading standpoint. Uses small pistol primers, practically impossible to double charge and etc.

I figure the .45gap round would probably work better in the "micro" 1911s (3" to 3.5" barrel) than the .45acp due to the fact it has a shorter COAL. Those small 1911s are known to have reliability issues.

Yeah, you've got it right.

We 45ACP guys feel threatened by the GAP. Its really going places. :whistling:

ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 21:58
:upeyes:

Let's see, should I support a cartridge that's been around well over 100 years and is chambered in thousands of different firearms or should I support a cartridge that was developed and is solely supported by one company?

Hmmm, 4 posts and all of them about the GAP. Can't we just let this asinine cartridge die in peace? Please?

Oh another 45acp guy attacking the gap what does it matter to you that it lives or die's.. asinine people like yourself never give it a chance and deter others from purchasing a great cartridge...and yes 45acp has been around for over 100 yrs and the gap a little more then 7 or so..the gap will prevail it does more and more each day...and i also like the 45acp,9mm,40,38,357..i don't knock any of them...and one more thing this is glock talk hence the word GLOCK (GAP=Glock Auto Pistol)

bac1023
08-28-2012, 21:59
The GAP fans keep questioning the "haters", but I got news for you, we aren't the crazy ones.

Well said

I have no problem with people loving the GAP, but to say its the greatest thing since sliced bread is ridiculous.

dkf
08-28-2012, 22:06
I have no problem with people loving the GAP, but to say its the greatest thing since sliced bread is ridiculous.

Its not, but neither is the .45acp.

But why pop into practically every .45gap thread just to bash a round on a regular basis like some people here on GT do.:dunno:

ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 22:13
I shoot mostly 9mm, but I also like the ACP. I've shot all the GAP models and haven't been impressed. They offer nothing new and the ammo usually has to be custom ordered. When the cartridge was first introduced in the 37 our local Gander Mountain got several in. They sat so long they were eventually marked down to $349 and a Glock field knife was included just to get rid of them. The original case of ammo sat on the shelf even after the guns sold. Several of the buyers told me they only got a 37 because they might be collectible someday. Now that the cartridge has been largely ignored for 8-9 years, the few shops that still stock it might have it marked up, but that was not always the case. Many local shops won't stock the guns or ammo unless you custom order it and even then they will try to talk you into a different combo. The GAP fans keep questioning the "haters", but I got news for you, we aren't the crazy ones.
Most people have no clue about the gap and when they do hear about it all they find is negitive comments about it from people that have never shot the gun...the only questions the gap fans have is why degrade something that has the same ballistics as your 45acp in a smaller frame... the funny thing is its the 45acp guys that are doing this

ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 22:22
Its not, but neither is the .45acp.

But why pop into practically every .45gap thread just to bash a round on a regular basis like some people here on GT do.:dunno:
I like your way of thinking...Nicely put...

bac1023
08-28-2012, 22:32
Oh another 45acp guy attacking the gap what does it matter to you that it lives or die's.. asinine people like yourself never give it a chance and deter others from purchasing a great cartridge...and yes 45acp has been around for over 100 yrs and the gap a little more then 7 or so..the gap will prevail it does more and more each day...and i also like the 45acp,9mm,40,38,357..i don't knock any of them...and one more thing this is glock talk hence the word GLOCK (GAP=Glock Auto Pistol)

The GAP will prevail? :rofl:

What's your definition of prevail? If you think its in any way going to lessen the ACP's popularity, then you're completely delusional. Nobody gives a damn about the GAP. It will be around has long as Glock stubbornly continues to build the models and give them away. That's all.

Since you brought this thread back after it was dead for a week, you obviously had an agenda. Now that you spoke your piece, I hope you sleep better. Now beat it. :wavey:

bac1023
08-28-2012, 22:33
Its not, but neither is the .45acp.



I never said it was. I prefer 9mm, actually.

ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 22:48
:faint:The GAP will prevail? :rofl:

What's your definition of prevail? If you think its in any way going to lessen the ACP's popularity, then you're completely delusional. Nobody gives a damn about the GAP. It will be around has long as Glock stubbornly continues to build the models and give them away. That's all.

Since you brought this thread back after it was dead for a week, you obviously had an agenda. Now that you spoke your piece, I hope you sleep better. Now beat it. :wavey:
first off i never said anything about prevail over the 45acp and i said nothing about it being better then sliced bread...and who do you think you are "beat it" are you the glock talk police.. what i see is a man with 60,000 post has no life outside of glock talk talking about s**t he knows nothing about....have a nice day senior citizen its past your bedtime...:faint:

Glock40man
08-28-2012, 23:08
:faint:
first off i never said anything about prevail over the 45acp and i said nothing about it being better then sliced bread...and who do you think you are "beat it" are you the glock talk police.. what i see is a man with 60,000 post has no life outside of glock talk talking about s**t he knows nothing about....have a nice day senior citizen its past your bedtime...:faint:

With the firearms and, knowledge that bac has, It is a safe bet that he knows more than some. Yes, he does contribute here on GT. But, contributing and sharing your knowledge is a good thing here on GT.

ironmonkey17
08-28-2012, 23:38
With the firearms and, knowledge that bac has, It is a safe bet that he knows more than some. Yes, he does contribute here on GT. But, contributing and sharing your knowledge is a good thing here on GT.
he probably does have alot of knowledge on some guns,but not all and i would bet he has never handled the gap...for him to degrade or deter anyone from buying the gun when it basically has the same balistics as the 45acp..there is plenty of room in this world for both and many many more..if you dont like it thats fine, don't badrap or deter others when you don't know... it is basically the same as the 45acp, how can anyone that likes the acp say they dont like the gap.

cowboy1964
08-29-2012, 00:56
GAP will eventually die after Glock does. Which by the way things are going may happen sooner than later.

Glock40man
08-29-2012, 01:22
he probably does have alot of knowledge on some guns,but not all and i would bet he has never handled the gap...for him to degrade or deter anyone from buying the gun when it basically has the same balistics as the 45acp..there is plenty of room in this world for both and many many more..if you dont like it thats fine, don't badrap or deter others when you don't know... it is basically the same as the 45acp, how can anyone that likes the acp say they dont like the gap.

Yes, the GAP round has similar ballistics. But, you can prefer the 45 ACP over the 45 GAP. I don't hate the GAP or, any other "service round." There is no "magic" bullet IMO. Use whatever pistol/caliber combination you like. Everyone has their own preference.

ironmonkey17
08-29-2012, 04:58
GAP will eventually die after Glock does. Which by the way things are going may happen sooner than later.
lmao you'll die before glock will

bac1023
08-29-2012, 05:07
he probably does have alot of knowledge on some guns,but not all and i would bet he has never handled the gap...for him to degrade or deter anyone from buying the gun when it basically has the same balistics as the 45acp..there is plenty of room in this world for both and many many more..if you dont like it thats fine, don't badrap or deter others when you don't know... it is basically the same as the 45acp, how can anyone that likes the acp say they dont like the gap.

When did I ever say I didn't like the GAP? I've handled several GAP pistols, actually.

What I don't understand is how defensive people get about it. Seriously, the GAP is built by ONE company. That's right, ONE company. I just don't take it seriously and, quite frankly, why should I? I'm not even a huge Glock fan, unless its 9mm. That's my opinion. If the GAP came in a platform I truly liked, it may be different.

You come on the forum, search the GAP, carry out your little agenda, and basically tell some very experienced members here they don't know what they're talking about.

While we're questioning each other, how many 45ACP pistols have you handled? :dunno:

bac1023
08-29-2012, 05:09
Yes, the GAP round has similar ballistics. But, you can prefer the 45 ACP over the 45 GAP. I don't hate the GAP or, any other "service round." There is no "magic" bullet IMO. Use whatever pistol/caliber combination you like. Everyone has their own preference.


I don't hate the GAP either. Its just hard to take a cartridge built on ONE platform very seriously. Especially, when you aren't crazy about the platform.

This guy comes on the forum, digs up an old thread, and calls a bunch of people "haters".

He must be extremely insecure. :dunno:

bac1023
08-29-2012, 05:14
:faint:
first off i never said anything about prevail over the 45acp and i said nothing about it being better then sliced bread...and who do you think you are "beat it" are you the glock talk police.. what i see is a man with 60,000 post has no life outside of glock talk talking about s**t he knows nothing about....have a nice day senior citizen its past your bedtime...:faint:

I have a great life outside of GT.

I said "beat it" to try to spare you some embarassment.

What exactly do you mean when you said "prevail"? Do you think other manufactures are going to introduce GAP pistols? Its not happening. The couple that did, have long since dropped them.

ironmonkey17
08-29-2012, 06:16
I have a great life outside of GT.

I said "beat it" to try to spare you some embarassment.

What exactly do you mean when you said "prevail"? Do you think other manufactures are going to introduce GAP pistols? Its not happening. The couple that did, have long since dropped them.
I stand corrected at the bottom of one of your post i thought i read i hate the gap...
when i said prevail i was saying the cartridge will not die..
and don't worry about embarrassing me i can handle it..
most people come to these threads for help or some knowledge, then you run into the 70000 senior poster that knows everything...and trys to degrade the nube... because he's the very experienced member (so he says)..
i still say you never shot a gap..oh and by the way when i said get a life don't take it so offensively its just how i see you (70000 post/8yrs/365 days=24 post a day)go outside and do some actual shooting...maybe even try shooting a gap..

Beanie-Bean
08-29-2012, 06:30
I've got two pistols chambered in .45GAP, both of which have been reliable and fun to shoot:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/Beanie-Bean/Glock/d59f982f.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/Beanie-Bean/Glock/IMG_8722.jpg

I load my own ammo to practice with, and only buy factory ammo (Speer Gold Dot) to carry.

bac1023
08-29-2012, 06:40
I stand corrected at the bottom of one of your post i thought i read i hate the gap...
when i said prevail i was saying the cartridge will not die..
and don't worry about embarrassing me i can handle it..
most people come to these threads for help or some knowledge, then you run into the 70000 senior poster that knows everything...and trys to degrade the nube... because he's the very experienced member (so he says)..
i still say you never shot a gap..oh and by the way when i said get a life don't take it so offensively its just how i see you (70000 post/8yrs/365 days=24 post a day)go outside and do some actual shooting...maybe even try shooting a gap..

Good Lord :faint:

I've shot an older XD GAP. It was built years ago when Glock actually had some support of the round. I don't have an issue with the round itself. I never said I did. I have never shot a Glock in GAP. However, I like the XD platform better anyway.

I spend most my time working. When I'm not working, I spend a great deal of time outdoors. I'm outdoors right now, as a matter of fact. I keep myself healthy and physically fit. I don't shoot as much as I used to, but I shoot at least a few times a month.

You came here with an agenda. Instead of being a one trick pony, I suggest you broaden your horizons a bit. As I said before, the GAP will be around as long as Glock continues to build them. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Good round or not, it has an extremely small following when compared to even the less popular mainstream rounds. It is Glock's answer to a problem that never existed.

ironmonkey17
08-29-2012, 06:54
I've got two pistols chambered in .45GAP, both of which have been reliable and fun to shoot:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/Beanie-Bean/Glock/d59f982f.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/Beanie-Bean/Glock/IMG_8722.jpg

I load my own ammo to practice with, and only buy factory ammo (Speer Gold Dot) to carry.
Very nice...i also have 2 and load my own ammo there great pieces...but as many people do i carry a 9mm.. and i probably shoot my xd40 more then any gun i own...the next piece in my line of fire is the new xds (waiting for someone to bring one in on a ccw class so i can shoot it) held one in my hand but never shot one...hope this doesn't turn into a negative debate....lol

ironmonkey17
08-29-2012, 07:02
Good Lord :faint:

I've shot an older XD GAP. It was built years ago when Glock actually had some support of the round. I don't have an issue with the round itself. I never said I did. I have never shot a Glock in GAP. However, I like the XD platform better anyway.

I spend most my time working. When I'm not working, I spend a great deal of time outdoors. I'm outdoors right now, as a matter of fact. I keep myself healthy and physically fit. I don't shoot as much as I used to, but I shoot at least a few times a month.

You came here with an agenda. Instead of being a one trick pony, I suggest you broaden your horizons a bit. As I said before, the GAP will be around as long as Glock continues to build them. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Good round or not, it has an extremely small following when compared to even the less popular mainstream rounds. It is Glock's answer to a problem that never existed.
I guess we do have something in common (xd's) have a good day...oh by the way i never shot the xd 45 gap hmmm....

bac1023
08-29-2012, 07:17
I guess we do have something in common (xd's) have a good day...oh by the way i never shot the xd 45 gap hmmm....

Ok. I have and it was a good shooting pistol, as all XDs are.

ronin.45
08-29-2012, 07:41
I'm with BAC. I don't hate the round. I just don't see a place for it. The .40 offers the same power in the smaller frame with more capacity(and has for decades). Anyone who can't hold a Glock 21 can look at the XDm or the M&P45 or even a 1911 to find a thinner grip in good old ACP. The only gun that was "too big" was the Glock 21. That is not a good reason to launch a new cartridge. Glock is only still making the GAP because it has their name on it. The sales numbers are pitiful and the only LE agencies that chose it were practically given the guns. I'd be having the same conversation if somebody posted that they don't understand why everyone doesn't love the .41AE. It was a cartridge without purpose. Personally I don't care for superfluous calibers. I keep my caliber selection to a minimum so I can easily stock up on ammo and actually shoot more. If I had to special order ammo I'd be unlikely to shoot it as much. With 9mm or .45ACP I can go into any store and buy as much as I want. In closing, I don't hate the cartridge as much as I hate the people who try to convince everyone it's not a bad idea.

engineer151515
08-29-2012, 07:58
I'm with BAC. I don't hate the round. I just don't see a place for it. The .40 offers the same power in the smaller frame with more capacity(and has for decades). Anyone who can't hold a Glock 21 can look at the XDm or the M&P45 or even a 1911 to find a thinner grip in good old ACP. The only gun that was "too big" was the Glock 21. That is not a good reason to launch a new cartridge. ...........

Agree . . . Glock 21 is too thick.

<<< Doesn't like the snappy .40

<<< Doesn't want a XDm or M&P45.

<<< Thinks the Speer/Glock developed .45GAP was a great idea. Plus it holds two more rounds than my 1911.

ironmonkey17
08-29-2012, 08:30
I'm with BAC. I don't hate the round. I just don't see a place for it. The .40 offers the same power in the smaller frame with more capacity(and has for decades). Anyone who can't hold a Glock 21 can look at the XDm or the M&P45 or even a 1911 to find a thinner grip in good old ACP. The only gun that was "too big" was the Glock 21. That is not a good reason to launch a new cartridge. Glock is only still making the GAP because it has their name on it. The sales numbers are pitiful and the only LE agencies that chose it were practically given the guns. I'd be having the same conversation if somebody posted that they don't understand why everyone doesn't love the .41AE. It was a cartridge without purpose. Personally I don't care for superfluous calibers. I keep my caliber selection to a minimum so I can easily stock up on ammo and actually shoot more. If I had to special order ammo I'd be unlikely to shoot it as much. With 9mm or .45ACP I can go into any store and buy as much as I want. In closing, I don't hate the cartridge as much as I hate the people who try to convince everyone it's not a bad idea.
I do agree with you.. there was really no need for the gap when i came across one.. a new g39 with laser intact for 400.00,and after shooting it i felt that i stoled this gun and couldn't understand why people are so negative about it...i could understand about the ammo but i never ran into that issue (make my own ammo).. some fine tune adjustments to my acp dies and wala gap ammo..i wanted to buy some factory ammo to shoot because for some reason my new gap doesn't like my ammo for the first 300 or so rds just like my first gap (needs to break in i guess)needless to say everytime i shoot it gets better...i can only take so much stove pipes and jams...by the way laser went to the bedroom g22 for one of many home defence guns i have laying around,mainly for wife red dot on target pull trigger..problem solved

Z71bill
08-29-2012, 08:46
.45 GAP image problem -- It could be the name.

You got a GAP? Sounds weird.

Maybe Glock should have called it the VAG!

Very Accurate Glock!

You got a VAG?

Want to try out my VAG?

Want to see my VAG?

I have a GEN4 VAG!

:rofl:

fran m
08-29-2012, 18:40
I have shot the G17 Sized GAP and also the G19 Sized one. They shot fine. This was for evaluation as a new Duty Pistol. We could not get past the reduction in capacity compared to our 9mm Glocks.

Personally, I already have guns in many calibers and really don't want any more calibers.

Is the GAP a pistol for a shooter who is going to have a pistol or two? Probably not. (9mm, 40, 45, 38 Special available everywhere) GAP ammo is simply less common and not as easily available.

I think we can all agree that a 45 GAP in hand is a good pistol and that it could be used successfully in defense of one's life.

The GAP is not for me. I personally do not know anyone who has one owned privately. It really doesn't matter if it lives or dies. If you like it buy it.

No one really knows if it lives or dies but they are not going to stop making the more common calibers.

I checked on line ammo prices out of curiosity and found Ammoman listed none and Ammunition to go had American Eagle for about 31.95 for fifty rounds of FMJ. Another dealer, Able, also had them for about 30.00 or so. Crazy prices.

bac1023
08-29-2012, 18:56
I checked on line ammo prices out of curiosity and found Ammoman listed none and Ammunition to go had American Eagle for about 31.95 for fifty rounds of FMJ. Another dealer, Able, also had them for about 30.00 or so. Crazy prices.

That is crazy.

AWGD8
08-29-2012, 19:11
That is crazy.


I normally buy my GAP ammo at targetsportusa.com


http://www.targetsportsusa.com/c-69-45-gap-ammo.aspx


If you do not mind waiting in the mail for ammo, i would keep my Glock 39. It is a sweet soft shooter compare to my XDs 45.

I prefer the 200 grains Lawman FMJ for $19.97 50 rouds. :wavey:

ronin.45
08-29-2012, 19:19
I normally buy my GAP ammo at targetsportusa.com


http://www.targetsportsusa.com/c-69-45-gap-ammo.aspx


If you do not mind waiting in the mail for ammo, i would keep my Glock 39. It is a sweet soft shooter compare to my XDs 45.

I prefer the 200 grains Lawman FMJ for $19.97 50 rouds. :wavey:

I'm still getting ACP local for $16-17/50 on sale. $3-4 a box can add up pretty fast if you shoot much.

fnfalman
08-29-2012, 21:02
The GAP is a place where yuppies and teeny boppers go to buy clothes. Automatic Colt Pistol is a venerable cartridge.

I must admit that it's nice to know that my .45ACP wheelguns will shoot the .45GAP. Not that I'm going to run all over time or search the intrawebz to buy .45GAP ammo at decent price, but if no ACP available and GAP is the only game in town, then I'm good to go.

Brucev
08-29-2012, 21:38
Besides Glock, does anyone else make a pistol chambered for the GAP round? Springfield Armory had an XD chambered in .45 GAP for a while but I don't think they make them anymore. Are there any other ones?

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Glock chambers for it. After all, it's the caliber Glock developed. If anyone else chambers for it, they are mighty few such pistols being sold. Makes sense since the GAP is a solution to a problem that does not exist.

Slug71
08-29-2012, 22:03
Makes sense since the GAP is a solution to a problem that does not exist.

Here we go again.....:rolleyes:

So many people on this board ask for a single stack. 45ACP in a 17/22 sized frame! How many rounds do you think that would hold??
My guess is 8 tops! Yet so many of these folks are the ones *****ing about the GAP's capacity.

The solution. The GAP. A 45 in 17/22 sized frame with more capacity than a single stack ACP.

It also puts a 45 in the hands of people with small hands. Especially females.

So yes there is a problem.

Don't like it? Don't buy it! Simple. Bye...


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G26S239
08-29-2012, 22:29
:rofl:

Perhaps the fact that it only chambered in Glocks might have something to do with it. You don't feel that's a negative?
9mm Federal, 451 Detonics Magnum, 41 Action Express. Lots of rounds with good performance have come and gone. Somewhere here on GT someone posted a pic of the XDs and G39 side by side. Other makers are clearly not bound by Gaston's pigheadedness over how a gun or magazine must be designed. The XDs chambers the more popular ACP in a pistol the same length as the G39 w/a barrel .16" shorter about the same as the difference in case length.


Gee I wonder which will sell better in 2013? The G39 or the XDs. :headscratch: It's a real puzzle.

Slug71
08-29-2012, 23:03
As DannyR has said,

Gaston has his name on 3,000,000+ pistols. Doubt hes worried much about the letter 'G' on a casing.

Good thing we have choice though. Many people like it. Many people don't.
To each their own.. ..

One could also say that Glock is keeping the 10mm alive.

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Slug71
08-29-2012, 23:05
Many people who bash it have also NEVER tried it. Now thats pigheadedness!

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TheExplorer
08-30-2012, 13:57
The G38 is still my favorite by far. Sure, it has some nasty recoil. But for some odd reason my accuracy is far better than with any 40S&W.

Slug71
08-30-2012, 14:49
The G38 is still my favorite by far. Sure, it has some nasty recoil. But for some odd reason my accuracy is far better than with any 40S&W.

I think the recoil isn't near as snappy as the 40 and is even softer than the 36.

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bac1023
08-30-2012, 17:31
9mm Federal, 451 Detonics Magnum, 41 Action Express. Lots of rounds with good performance have come and gone. Somewhere here on GT someone posted a pic of the XDs and G39 side by side. Other makers are clearly not bound by Gaston's pigheadedness over how a gun or magazine must be designed. The XDs chambers the more popular ACP in a pistol the same length as the G39 w/a barrel .16" shorter about the same as the difference in case length.


Gee I wonder which will sell better in 2013? The G39 or the XDs. :headscratch: It's a real puzzle.
:goodpost:

Very well said

bac1023
08-30-2012, 17:34
Good thing we have choice though. Many people like it. Many people don't.
To each their own.. ..



Yeah, and many times more people just don't give a damn about it either way.

That's me :wavey:

I just don't like people trying to sell me on the virtues of it. I think its a good round. However, I see no need for it whatsoever.

Maybe Glock needs to worry about how to build a reliable pistol again, instead of wasting money and R&D on the GAP. Just a thought... :whistling:

dkf
08-30-2012, 17:54
I just don't like people trying to sell me on the virtues of it. I think its a good round. However, I see no need for it whatsoever.

In a couple years once you find that you already have every other handgun ever made in your collection you will have no choice but to buy the 5 or 6 pistol models chambered in .45gap to round out your collection.:supergrin:

TheExplorer
08-30-2012, 18:45
I think the recoil isn't near as snappy as the 40 and is even softer than the 36.

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I tried 180gr. AE in both (G23), and for me, there was no comparison. But obviously with less muzzle flip it was easier to re-aim the 23.

dajcarroll
08-30-2012, 19:23
I own a Glock 37 .45 GAP. It's my favorite handgun I've ever owned. It's a pretty sweet shooter. I buy all my ammo online for about $17-18 per box of 50... reloaded ammo, but shoots just fine. Bought a box of Speer Gold Dot JHP for $20 at my LGS... some 9mm defense ammo is more than that!

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh524/dajcarroll/CB3617DB-CD5D-46BF-88C5-38806A9DDF4C-699-00000083CB7141DC.jpg

Don't knock the round or the gun until you've shot it. If you haven't picked one up, then you have no business putting it down. If the ammo was cheaper and/or sold at Wal-Mart everyone would have one.


G19 - Gen 3
G37 - Gen 3
S&W 10-5 .38spl Snub Nose
Winchester 1300 Ranger 12 Ga.
NEF Pardner SBI 12 Ga.
Savage 24 O/U - .22LR/410

bac1023
08-30-2012, 20:07
The huge problem isn't so much the ammo cost, its the fact that only Glock builds them. Not everyone thinks the Glock is the end all be all of defensive handguns.

dajcarroll
08-30-2012, 20:19
The huge problem isn't so much the ammo cost, its the fact that only Glock builds them. Not everyone thinks the Glock is the end all be all of defensive handguns.

I don't either. There are many many fine guns out there. Sure, I like Glocks, but I'm not strictly a Glock fan. Yes, I know there are plenty of people out there that are. I'm just pointing out that I'm a fan of all types of guns... including the Glock 37/.45 GAP round.


G19 - Gen 3
G37 - Gen 3
S&W 10-5 .38spl Snub Nose
Winchester 1300 Ranger 12 Ga.
NEF Pardner SBI 12 Ga.
Savage 24 O/U - .22LR/410

Shark1007
08-30-2012, 21:24
For what it's worth, here's my thinking on .45 GAP and other manufacturers.

I'm a 1911 guy for sure. I'm also a Glock admirer. My XDM outshoots my Glock 21, so it became my bedside gun with a TLR laser/light. I have a couple .45 GAPS, so I have plenty ammo.

I found an XD tactical on Gunbroker, new old stock, in .45 GAP. The gun shoots great, grip is smaller, enabling wife to operate easier. I found plenty magazines cheap, so this will become the new bedside gun. You can feel loaded chamber indicator in the dark and HST does the trick nicely for defense.

I'd like to find a Springfield Defender in .45 gap, not sure why, I just would.

fnfalman
08-30-2012, 21:28
It also puts a 45 in the hands of people with small hands. Especially females.

Females have zero issues with handling single-stacked .45ACP pistols from various makes.

So yes there is a problem.

Don't like it? Don't buy it! Simple. Bye...


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Indeed. No buyee, no gun makee.

dudel
08-31-2012, 02:55
:upeyes:

Let's see, should I support a cartridge that's been around well over 100 years and is chambered in thousands of different firearms or should I support a cartridge that was developed and is solely supported by one company?


Oh yeah, give me more old technology.. Let's bring back carburators while we're at it. :rofl: At one time the 45 ACP was only supported by one gun maker (and only in one size I might add). So what's your point?

GAP can be used in most modern wheel guns with moon clips. Bond Arms also chambers it. It's hardly the only round out there with a few chamberings. Seem many 50AE guns out there?

It's also a great round to reload, and more economical than ACP.

By your logic (?) we should all be shooting 22 LR. There are even more guns chambered for it, and 22LR is even cheaper and more available.

I'll stick with GAP. It's not for everyone, but it works well for me.

dudel
08-31-2012, 07:11
Females have zero issues with handling single-stacked .45ACP pistols from various makes.
.

Ok,but most departments don't want various makes in their inventory.

bac1023
08-31-2012, 08:00
Oh yeah, give me more old technology.. Let's bring back carburators while we're at it. :rofl: At one time the 45 ACP was only supported by one gun maker (and only in one size I might add). So what's your point?

GAP can be used in most modern wheel guns with moon clips. Bond Arms also chambers it. It's hardly the only round out there with a few chamberings. Seem many 50AE guns out there?

It's also a great round to reload, and more economical than ACP.

By your logic (?) we should all be shooting 22 LR. There are even more guns chambered for it, and 22LR is even cheaper and more available.

I'll stick with GAP. It's not for everyone, but it works well for me.

Old tech? The 45ACP is chambered in some of the highest tech firearms in the world. Get real.

Comparing it to the 50AE is ridiculous. The GAP is a serivce round, the 50AE is a hunting round at best, but more a novelty than anything else.

So since the 45ACP started with one gun, are you trying to say the GAP will expand in popularity in a similar way? :rofl:

I'm glad it works well for you. I never said it was a bad round, but your comparisons are a joke. :upeyes:

dudel
08-31-2012, 08:19
Old tech? The 45ACP is chambered in some of the highest tech firearms in the world. Get real.

Get real indeed.

Are we talking the round or the guns that fire it. The "highest tech firearms" you mention aren't 100 years old are they? The round is, and it's a low pressure round hamstrung by the powder/primer/case limitations of 100 years ago.

If it was such a great round, why did they have to +P it? :supergrin:

bac1023
08-31-2012, 08:34
Get real indeed.

Are we talking the round or the guns that fire it. The "highest tech firearms" you mention aren't 100 years old are they? The round is, and it's a low pressure round hamstrung by the powder/primer/case limitations of 100 years ago.

If it was such a great round, why did they have to +P it? :supergrin:

You're clueless. +P was added to slightly increase velocity, just like its done for 9mm, 38 Special, and some others. I've got news for you, genius, the GAP is a low pressure round as well. In fact, that was one of its selling points. The need for +P has nothing to do with standard pressure. 9mm has a pressure rating MUCH higher then the GAP and its available in +P.

By the way, I guarantee you don't know a thing about the modern firearms the 45ACP is chambered for.

As for shooting the GAP in 45ACP revolvers or derringers, why in God's name would anyone want to do so? Doesn't that negate the one supposed advantage the GAP gives you? Let's face it, the GAP is chambered in one firearm. ONE (UNO)

If you're going to sound off, at least have a clue first. Good Lord

Arc Angel
08-31-2012, 09:05
It seems as though it's pretty much going to be up to the Glock users to keep the cartridge alive.

I very much doubt that's going to happen! So, if the above remark is true then the 45 GAP is finished.

Well, you can shoot in just about any modern wheelgun that handles 45 Colt/ 45 ACP. G&A did a review on the S&W Governor, where the GAP was the most accurate round for it.

You might be correct; but, you're describing cartridge cases with significantly different (internal) case wall tapers and dimensions. This is not something that I'd want to do.

Get real indeed.

Are we talking the round or the guns that fire it. The "highest tech firearms" you mention aren't 100 years old are they? The round is, and it's a low pressure round hamstrung by the powder/primer/case limitations of 100 years ago.

If it was such a great round, why did they have to +P it? :supergrin:

Yours is a tough reply to answer! The fact that 45 ACP is a low pressure round means that it's the easiest to control and shoot straight while at the same time putting out nice big bullets. I honestly do NOT believe that the 45 ACP cartridge is, 'hamstrung' by any sort of imaginary mechanical or performance limitations.

An effective and damned good cartridge remains an effective and damned good cartridge. Time is an irrelevant criterion. So why did, 'they' come out with +P 45 ACP ammunition? Answer the question why Remington and Winchester came out with, 'High Brass' shotgun shells; and I think you'll have the correct answer. ;)

....... I do not understand the disdain for this round. Most of the comments in this thread are just regurgitation of the Internet folklore passed on by Condo Commandos or people who do not own a weapon that fires this cartridge.

But I digress..... Keep in mind I have been a died in the wool .45 ACP shooter for over 30 years. I too was skeptical until I met R Lee Ermy in the Houston Airport. He convinced me to buy one. Here is a little bit of information on my personal experience. I own all 3 Glock 45 ACP as well as all 3 GAPS. My EDC is a Kimber Ultra Super carry.


The recoil is less than the 40 as well as the .45 ACP

Even with the 21 and 30 SF versions, the GAP models let you use small Glock frames for 45 ACP ballistics. Granted, the round count is not that of a 30 or .40 caliber, but the combination of grip size, ballistics and round count is unsurpassed.

The ammo can be had for under $20 a box. I buy about 90% of my factory ammo from GT members in the classifieds. My LGS carries it for the same price as .45 ACP. I just started reloading it as well as it is a trifle cheaper that the ACP effort due to the small pistol primer.

I will concede that going to the LGS and getting a "good" price on it is rare, but the ammo is easily available.

The pistols themselves are dirt cheap. I paid $350 for my G 37 NIB, $400 for my G 38 and $450 for my OD G 39 NIB (Which I fear was too much). We see them used for as little as $300.00.

State police departments went to the 45 GAP initially because the got free pistols. Many have replaced their originals with new 45 GAPs. We have some State Police members that are issued them in the Bull Gawg club here on GT and they love thier GAP pistols. Stop by for a visit.


I, pretty much, agree with everything you have to say; however, truth be known, there is no pressing need for this round. Both cartridges operate at nearly identical ignition pressures of, approximately, 21,000 psi. It's just that with 45 ACP the shooter has the option of, 'upping the ante' by going to either +P or 45 Super velocities. That's something you can't do with the 45 GAP and 230 grain bullets.

bac1023
08-31-2012, 09:08
Both cartridges operate at nearly identical ignition pressures of, approximately, 21,000 psi. It's just that with 45 ACP the shooter has the option of, 'upping the ante' by going to either +P or 45 Super velocities. That's something you can't do with the 45 GAP and 230 grain bullets.

:goodpost:

bac1023
08-31-2012, 09:12
Yours is a tough reply to answer! The fact that 45 ACP is a low pressure round means that it's the easiest to control and shoot straight while at the same time putting out nice big bullets. I honestly do NOT believe that the 45 ACP cartridge is, 'hamstrung' by any sort of imaginary mechanical or performance limitations.



I love how he calls the ACP "hamstrung", when its so much more versatile than the GAP.

He obviously needs to do a bit of research before coming on here and making crazy statements.

G26S239
08-31-2012, 09:50
A picture on page 5 of this thread http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1438368&page=5 illustrates how short of a pistol Springfield made in 45 ACP because they are not hamstrung by Glock's corporate bias for plastic magazines. The XDs barrel is only .16" shorter than the GAP barrel.

dudel
08-31-2012, 13:18
You're clueless. +P was added to slightly increase velocity, just like its done for 9mm, 38 Special, and some others. I've got news for you, genius, the GAP is a low pressure round as well. In fact, that was one of its selling points. The need for +P has nothing to do with standard pressure. 9mm has a pressure rating MUCH higher then the GAP and its available in +P.

By the way, I guarantee you don't know a thing about the modern firearms the 45ACP is chambered for.

As for shooting the GAP in 45ACP revolvers or derringers, why in God's name would anyone want to do so? Doesn't that negate the one supposed advantage the GAP gives you? Let's face it, the GAP is chambered in one firearm. ONE (UNO)

If you're going to sound off, at least have a clue first. Good Lord

here's a clue for you.

1) GAP is higher pressure than ACP, closer to 9mm and below +P ACP. It's a low pressure round if you consider 9mm low pressure. Which most don't.

2) Some competition shooters use GAP rounds in their wheelguns because the shorter length loads and unloads faster. Don't take my word, check out Patrick Sweeney.

Actually two clues.

G26S239
08-31-2012, 13:37
here's a clue for you.

1) GAP is higher pressure than ACP, closer to 9mm and below +P ACP. It's a low pressure round if you consider 9mm low pressure. Which most don't.


45 ACP is 21,000 psi, 45 ACP +P is 23,000, exactly the same pressure as 45 GAP. 9mm Luger is 35,000 psi. I don't understand how you perceive a 12,000 psi difference to put the 45 GAP closer in pressure to the 9mm than it is to the 2,000 psi lower ACP. :headscratch:

dudel
08-31-2012, 13:41
I, pretty much, agree with everything you have to say; however, truth be known, there is no pressing need for this round. Both cartridges operate at nearly identical ignition pressures of, approximately, 21,000 psi. It's just that with 45 ACP the shooter has the option of, 'upping the ante' by going to either +P or 45 Super velocities. That's something you can't do with the 45 GAP and 230 grain bullets.

What I find amazing is how much the non GAP shooter seem to "know" about the round. :rofl:

230gr projectiles are available for GAP.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=WNUSA45G

http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-45GHST1

http://www.luckygunner.com/remington-45-gap-ammo-for-sale-45gap230mcremumc-50

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/11003

230gr was an early limitation (as it was on the early ACP). 230gr was overcome soon after GAP was released.

Look into the technical details of the ACP. Why the dead air space? What is it's impact on ES? Why do modern rounds try to minimize dead space in a round? Why the large primer? Why the switch to small primer in ACP ammo? :whistling:

You may not understand why; but fortunately there are much smarter folks around that do. Forgive me, but I'll trust the ballisticians at ATK before some internet ACP fanboy.

I do have some ACP guns. I just don't shoot them much anymore. I can/have reloaded for ACP. Even migrated all my ACP brass to small primer (with very good results I might add). I keep my stash of ACP reloading supplies around, because in a SHTF scenario, there will be people willing to trade for ACP ammo.

I'm also not too concerned about what variety of ACP load you might be able to buy. Since I make my ammo, I've got more flexibility in what I make, than in what you can buy. And it costs me less to boot! Got any cold tracer rounds for your ACP? Too bad. Got shotshell rounds for your ACP? Last I checked, you've got one choice. Too bad. Want to shoot lead? Sort of limited there aren't you? Want half jacketed HP? Little light there as well. Too bad.

bac1023
08-31-2012, 18:49
here's a clue for you.

1) GAP is higher pressure than ACP, closer to 9mm and below +P ACP. It's a low pressure round if you consider 9mm low pressure. Which most don't.
:rofl:

Where the hell do you get your data?

9mm - 35,000psi
9mm+P - 37,500psi
45ACP - 21,000psi
45ACP+P - 23,000psi
45 GAP - 23,000psi

Do me a favor and stop commenting until you fully educate yourself.

Unreal :faint:

RyanSBHF
08-31-2012, 18:51
GAP can be used in most modern wheel guns with moon clips. Bond Arms also chambers it. It's hardly the only round out there with a few chamberings. Seem many 50AE guns out there?



Five of them - the Desert Eagle, AMT AutoMag V, LAR Grizzly, Freedom Arms model 555 and the Magnum Research BFR.

That's two more than the GAP.

bac1023
08-31-2012, 18:52
What I find amazing is how much the non GAP shooter seem to "know" about the round. :rofl:

230gr projectiles are available for GAP.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=WNUSA45G

http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-45GHST1

http://www.luckygunner.com/remington-45-gap-ammo-for-sale-45gap230mcremumc-50

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/11003

230gr was an early limitation (as it was on the early ACP). 230gr was overcome soon after GAP was released.

Look into the technical details of the ACP. Why the dead air space? What is it's impact on ES? Why do modern rounds try to minimize dead space in a round? Why the large primer? Why the switch to small primer in ACP ammo? :whistling:

You may not understand why; but fortunately there are much smarter folks around that do. Forgive me, but I'll trust the ballisticians at ATK before some internet ACP fanboy.

I do have some ACP guns. I just don't shoot them much anymore. I can/have reloaded for ACP. Even migrated all my ACP brass to small primer (with very good results I might add). I keep my stash of ACP reloading supplies around, because in a SHTF scenario, there will be people willing to trade for ACP ammo.

I'm also not too concerned about what variety of ACP load you might be able to buy. Since I make my ammo, I've got more flexibility in what I make, than in what you can buy. And it costs me less to boot! Got any cold tracer rounds for your ACP? Too bad. Got shotshell rounds for your ACP? Last I checked, you've got one choice. Too bad. Want to shoot lead? Sort of limited there aren't you? Want half jacketed HP? Little light there as well. Too bad.

:rofl:

To say the GAP is anywhere near as versatile as the ACP is pure lunacy.

Just give it up already. You've already made a horse's ass of yourself.

bac1023
08-31-2012, 19:44
45 ACP is 21,000 psi, 45 ACP +P is 23,000, exactly the same pressure as 45 GAP. 9mm Luger is 35,000 psi. I don't understand how you perceive a 12,000 psi difference to put the 45 GAP closer in pressure to the 9mm than it is to the 2,000 psi lower ACP. :headscratch:

Yeah, this thread has been great free entertainment for me, especially when dudel got involved. ;)

G26S239
08-31-2012, 20:24
Yeah, this thread has been great free entertainment for me, especially when dudel got involved. ;)

Agreed. :supergrin: I don't understand why some GAP enthusiasts get so defensive about the niche status of the cartridge. It exactly duplicates the performance of the ACP. That is good performance, it is not a compelling reason for a lot of people to adopt it judging by sales.

USMC03Grunt
08-31-2012, 20:43
Agreed. :supergrin: I don't understand why some GAP enthusiasts get so defensive about the niche status of the cartridge. It exactly duplicates the performance of the ACP. That is good performance, it is not a compelling reason for a lot of people to adopt it judging by sales.

Well, I would guess that because it's not a common round there are 3 guns made (all by Glock) standing between being a round that is still manufactured or going the way of the .41AE. Negative views of the round may put off potential .45GAP buyers in favor of something else be it .45 ACP, .40 S&W or 9mm and if the sales don't continue at a profitable rate, the gun gets discontinued and factory ammo tends to soon follow suit. Personally, I have no use for the .45 GAP but I can understand their owners devotion to the round. I mean, when was the last time you seen a box of factory fresh .41 Action Express or have checked out the price for 1 round for a Gyrojet pistol?:shocked:

bac1023
08-31-2012, 21:58
Agreed. :supergrin: I don't understand why some GAP enthusiasts get so defensive about the niche status of the cartridge. It exactly duplicates the performance of the ACP. That is good performance, it is not a compelling reason for a lot of people to adopt it judging by sales.

Exactly...

Slug71
08-31-2012, 22:45
Really??! Enough of you guys already. No reason the two cartridges can't coexist.

Can the whole GAP vs ACP just be done already? God this is getting old. The GAP never came about to replace the ACP. It's simply another option.


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bac1023
08-31-2012, 22:56
Really??! Enough of you guys already. No reason the two cartridges can't coexist.

Can the whole GAP vs ACP just be done already? God this is getting old. The GAP never came about to replace the ACP. It's simply another option.


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I agree.

I just don't like GAP pushers trying to jam it down my throat.

Arc Angel
09-01-2012, 05:59
What I find amazing is how much the non GAP shooter seem to "know" about the round. :rofl:

230gr projectiles are available for GAP.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=WNUSA45G

http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-45GHST1

http://www.luckygunner.com/remington-45-gap-ammo-for-sale-45gap230mcremumc-50

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/11003

230gr was an early limitation (as it was on the early ACP). 230gr was overcome soon after GAP was released.

Look into the technical details of the ACP. Why the dead air space? What is it's impact on ES? Why do modern rounds try to minimize dead space in a round? Why the large primer? Why the switch to small primer in ACP ammo? :whistling:

You may not understand why; but fortunately there are much smarter folks around that do. Forgive me, but I'll trust the ballisticians at ATK before some internet ACP fanboy.

I do have some ACP guns. I just don't shoot them much anymore. I can/have reloaded for ACP. Even migrated all my ACP brass to small primer (with very good results I might add). I keep my stash of ACP reloading supplies around, because in a SHTF scenario, there will be people willing to trade for ACP ammo.

I'm also not too concerned about what variety of ACP load you might be able to buy. Since I make my ammo, I've got more flexibility in what I make, than in what you can buy. And it costs me less to boot! Got any cold tracer rounds for your ACP? Too bad. Got shotshell rounds for your ACP? Last I checked, you've got one choice. Too bad. Want to shoot lead? Sort of limited there aren't you? Want half jacketed HP? Little light there as well. Too bad.

Wow! I seem to have, 'stuck my hand into a hornet's nest!' :supergrin:

I was going to attempt another answer at this question; but, I couldn't find the term, 'dead air space' in my ballastician's dictionary. :rofl:

You guys that load (and reload) your own ammo are just soooo ...... awesome. I feel, ahh, overwhelmed! Maybe when I finally grow up and know all there is to know (at least about guns) I'll be able to reload, 'super bullets' just like you. :freak:

fastbolt
09-01-2012, 20:26
One less agency using GAP ... (and you can't really argue with their reasoning)

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/sep/01/guns-hed-herp/

Slug71
09-01-2012, 21:15
One less agency using GAP ... (and you can't really argue with their reasoning)

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/sep/01/guns-hed-herp/

Well the ammo was reasonably priced. Especially the JHP at a $100 more than 9mm.

But damn, I dont even think our city police where I live goes through 10 cases a year.
For a Sheriffs dept. theyre lucky to have that budget! At least from this areas standpoint.

Nothing wrong with 9mm though.

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fastbolt
09-02-2012, 00:18
How much ammunition any given agency may go through can be unpredictable. Not surprising, when you remember there are more than 17K LE agencies nationwide.

I've listened to rangemasters & firearms instructors lament the higher costs of ammunition for training, quals & duty, even when being purchased at state contract/bid prices.

The previous state contract out here had pretty affordable 9mm & .40 available, and any state or local agency could order it in as little as a single case quantity. It ran $95.30/case for the 124gr +P 9mm T-Series and $105.58/case for the 180gr .40 T-Series, which makes the cost of a 50-rd box rather affordable for quals, training, practice and duty. Unfortunately, .45 ACP, .45GAP & .357SIG weren't on the contract, so agencies using those calibers had to negotiate whatever pricing they could from their vendors or a LE dealer or distributor. Big surprise that they'd cost more under those circumstances, right?

I don't personally know of anyone using .45GAP in any nearby cities/counties, although I've listened to how the cost of .357SIG was said to cause one agency some difficulties, at least for a while (and who ended up having to procure .40 S&W barrels so they could use less expensive .40 ammunition for quals).

The cost of .357SIG has always been one of the less attractive things about its use as a service cartridge, but at least there are some different duty pistols being chambered to use it (Glock, HK and S&W being among the big names offering it).

The .45GAP doesn't have the same advantage as the .357SIG, since it's presently being offered in only one major maker's model line for LE/Gov sales. That, and the not-inconsequential considerations of cost and availability of the ammunition, don't really help the promotion of the cartridge.

I seriously doubt Glock would ever consider discontinuing making guns chambered in their namesake cartridge, but unless the private buyer market suddenly takes off ... and if LE sales aren't increasing ... I could see it eventually becoming a model series which they make for special runs or LE orders.

Now, if that were to happen, what do you suppose the reaction of the major ammo companies might be later on down the line?

If you want to help keep it popular, keep buying GAP ammo from the big ammo companies, maybe? ;)

Dunno. Don't claim to have the answer.

Arc Angel
09-02-2012, 03:44
How much ammunition any given agency may go through can be unpredictable. Not surprising, when you remember there are more than 17K LE agencies nationwide. .......

:shocked: Wow! First post of the morning I've read, so far, and very well analyzed and stated. Guess I'll just keep on plodding along with my: 9's, 357's, and 45 ACP's. Didn't have any good reason to change calibers 30 years ago, and still don't now. ;)

engineer151515
09-02-2012, 07:29
One less agency using GAP ... (and you can't really argue with their reasoning)

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/sep/01/guns-hed-herp/

Actually, it looked more like a 9mm v/s 45 cal argument than a GAP argument. Round cost. Pistol capacity. 45 more effective personnel stopper but 9mm almost as good (hollowpoints?).

Notice the dept did not switch to 45ACP because the same reasoning would apply. Wonder why they didn't split the difference with .40SW?

fastbolt
09-02-2012, 11:58
Guess I'll just keep on plodding along with my: 9's, 357's, and 45 ACP's. Didn't have any good reason to change calibers 30 years ago, and still don't now.

Yep, the "old" standards are still with us, and for good reason. They work.

If my former agency still provided .357 Magnum ammunition instead of .40 S&W (along with .38 Spl +P, 9mm & .45ACP), I'd still be carrying my SP101 & some 6-shot Magnum revolvers along with my .38's, 9's & .45's ... and might never have become interested in .40 S&W. I only became interested in the .40 when I was told I was going to be issued one and we were going to start stocking it in our ammunition inventory.

Wonder why they didn't split the difference with .40SW?

If I were going to speculate, I'd suspect the 9mm's controllability advantage over the .40 S&W might have been a factor, especially if there's a disparate workforce at that agency.
... officials are optimistic about enhancing marksmanship on the force ...

Slug71
09-02-2012, 12:47
I'm with fastbolt.

Probably has to do with the recoil of the 9mm over the .40...
Follow up shots are quicker.

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Slug71
09-02-2012, 12:49
Wonder if we'll see more depts. switching back to 9mm for the same reasons...
Especially the smaller and more rural ones.

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fastbolt
09-02-2012, 13:25
Wonder if we'll see more depts. switching back to 9mm for the same reasons...
Especially the smaller and more rural ones.

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Probably going to depend on the cost of the ammunition for any particular agency (there was only a $10/case difference between 9 & .40 when ordered on the state bid out here), and the ability of their employees to controllably, accurately and effectively shoot the slightly harder recoiling .40 S&W cartridge.

No way to predict such things, I'd think.

Also, when you consider that over 60% of that 17K+ number of agencies reportedly employ 10 or fewer armed employees, you're talking about a bunch of small agencies.

Slug71
09-02-2012, 13:43
Probably going to depend on the cost of the ammunition for any particular agency (there was only a $10/case difference between 9 & .40 when ordered on the state bid out here), and the ability of their employees to controllably, accurately and effectively shoot the slightly harder recoiling .40 S&W cartridge.

No way to predict such things, I'd think.

Also, when you consider that over 60% of that 17K+ number of agencies reportedly employ 10 or fewer armed employees, you're talking about a bunch of small agencies.

Good observation.

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fnfalman
09-02-2012, 20:47
So, the GAP is "new tech"? What's new about it? Is the bullet driven by plasma discharge or ion discharge? Is the casing made out of unobtanium alloy? Does it carry a warhead with laser/radar guidance?

It's a freaky cartridge that olds a bullet to be propelled by combustable chemicals that are ignited by a primer cap. The same damn thing as the "old tech" ACP.



Oh yeah, give me more old technology.. Let's bring back carburators while we're at it. :rofl: At one time the 45 ACP was only supported by one gun maker (and only in one size I might add). So what's your point?

GAP can be used in most modern wheel guns with moon clips. Bond Arms also chambers it. It's hardly the only round out there with a few chamberings. Seem many 50AE guns out there?

It's also a great round to reload, and more economical than ACP.

By your logic (?) we should all be shooting 22 LR. There are even more guns chambered for it, and 22LR is even cheaper and more available.

I'll stick with GAP. It's not for everyone, but it works well for me.

fnfalman
09-02-2012, 20:48
Ok,but most departments don't want various makes in their inventory.

Guess what? I ain't in any "department". And nor does fifty million other gun owners who don't want the GAP.:rofl:

bac1023
09-03-2012, 04:10
So, the GAP is "new tech"? What's new about it? Is the bullet driven by plasma discharge or ion discharge? Is the casing made out of unobtanium alloy? Does it carry a warhead with laser/radar guidance?

It's a freaky cartridge that olds a bullet to be propelled by combustable chemicals that are ignited by a primer cap. The same damn thing as the "old tech" ACP.

Very true

fran m
10-27-2012, 16:56
I have shot the G17 Sized GAP and also the G19 Sized one. They shot fine. This was for evaluation as a new Duty Pistol. We could not get past the reduction in capacity compared to our 9mm Glocks.

Personally, I already have guns in many calibers and really don't want any more calibers.

Is the GAP a pistol for a shooter who is going to have a pistol or two? Probably not. (9mm, 40, 45, 38 Special available everywhere) GAP ammo is simply less common and not as easily available.

I think we can all agree that a 45 GAP in hand is a good pistol and that it could be used successfully in defense of one's life.

The GAP is not for me. I personally do not know anyone who has one owned privately. It really doesn't matter if it lives or dies. If you like it buy it.

No one really knows if it lives or dies but they are not going to stop making the more common calibers.

I checked on line ammo prices out of curiosity and found Ammoman listed none and Ammunition to go had American Eagle for about 31.95 for fifty rounds of FMJ. Another dealer, Able, also had them for about 30.00 or so. Crazy prices.

Not the gun for me and I heard, but do not know for a fact, that Glock practically gave them away to the agencies that carry them.

If other manufacturers thought the caliber was so great, they would be making firearms for the round.

dajcarroll
10-27-2012, 17:16
I buy GAP ammo online anywhere from $17-18.00 per 50. I usually buy a few boxes at a time to reduce price from fixed shipping charges. Sure, more popular calibers are more readily available, but if you're smart about where and how much you buy you can have plenty of ammo at home at the same price as "popular" rounds. My local LGS has sales on it too from time to time. I can get Speer Gold Dot .45 GAP for $20. 9mm Gold Dots are $30+... It's not as bad as you think. Just because you can't just get up and go to Wal-Mart and buy the ammo doesn't mean they are junk guns. I highly doubt Glock was giving them away either. If that were the case they would stop production, and since there are 4th Gen Glock 37 and 38's I don't think Glock is losing money producing them. Don't knock one until you shoot or own one...


G19 - Gen 3
G37 - Gen 3
S&W 10-5 .38spl Snub Nose
Winchester 1300 Ranger 12 Ga.
NEF Pardner SBI 12 Ga.
Savage 24 O/U - .22LR/410

fran m
10-31-2012, 18:16
If your reply was to me, I agree, they are not junk guns. I have shot them and liked them. I don't like the capacity. I think a GAP in hand is a fine firearm. I would feel well armed with one.

I don't desire one though.

brisk21
11-01-2012, 08:52
Im pretty sure Glock is the only company currently making a GAP gun. Maybe the GAP would have been more popular, but alot of companies have figured out how to make a double stack .45 ACP that fits the average hand. Like the HK45, XD/M .45, M&P .45, and even Glocks own Gen4 21. If these guns weren't possible, then maybe the GAP would have gained more popularity. Id much rather have 10 rounds of .45 ACP in an H&K or M&P than the GAP Glocks.

fran m
01-09-2013, 14:30
Here are my thoughts of the gun from a previous post about whether the cartridge is going to remain. There is nothing at all wrong with the guns, They are similar in size to other Glock Models but have a wider slide. It will work as advertised. It would not be my choice and I would not recommend it to to anyone as their only gun due to ammo price, lack of capacity and possible problems with availability. This may be overcome with ordering in bulk from online dealers.

Previous comment starts below.

I have shot the G17 Sized GAP and also the G19 Sized one. They shot fine. This was for evaluation as a new Duty Pistol. We could not get past the reduction in capacity compared to our 9mm Glocks.

Personally, I already have guns in many calibers and really don't want any more calibers.

Is the GAP a pistol for a shooter who is going to have a pistol or two? Probably not. (9mm, 40, 45, 38 Special available everywhere) GAP ammo is simply less common and not as easily available.

I think we can all agree that a 45 GAP in hand is a good pistol and that it could be used successfully in defense of one's life.

The GAP is not for me. I personally do not know anyone who has one owned privately. It really doesn't matter if it lives or dies. If you like it buy it.

No one really knows if it lives or dies but they are not going to stop making the more common calibers.

I checked on line ammo prices out of curiosity and found Ammoman listed none and Ammunition to go had American Eagle for about 31.95 for fifty rounds of FMJ. Another dealer, Able, also had them for about 30.00 or so. Crazy prices.

Sheepdog689
01-09-2013, 16:06
Speer Lawman, $19.99 a box of 50.
American Eagle, $24.99 a box of 50.

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/c-69-45-gap-ammo.aspx

mgentry
01-10-2013, 12:21
How does .45 GAP shoot compared to .40 and regular .45 auto? Is it snappy like a .40 or more of a push?


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Not snappy at all - the 45 GAP is fun to shoot. Not much recoil at all. Mine is very accurate.

jeremy1
01-10-2013, 21:34
I have been a GAP shooter for a few years and it is by far my favorite pistol. I can't explain it but my G37 groups significantly better than my other Glocks and pistols. I am not sure if it is the slide weight but it is just accurate.
The GAP is definitely not for everyone. I am set up to reload and this round is cheaper to load than .45. Also, my LGS is selling SPEER lawman for $6 a box cheaper than 45. I am saving my brass as I expect the ammo to lose popularity.
And unfortunately I am limited to 10 rounds in my area so mag capacity is not an issue.
I will say that this is one soft shooting big bore and I am very happy with it.

AWGD8
01-12-2013, 11:17
I owned both 45 ACP and 45 GAP Subcompact. (Glock 39 and the new Springfield XDs 45)

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45 GAP or 45 ACP?

- 45GAP Holds more rounds for a smaller frame gun (subcompact) such as the Glock 39. Pls. do not mention Glock 30 since it is huge as a brick. Glock 36 holds less round.

- If you reload your own 45 GAP and like to carry a subcompact frame such as G39, I would go the GAP route. G39 subcompact
carries 6+1 rounds and can fit a G38 or G37 magazine as backup , 8+1 and 10+1 respectively.
- If you don't reload on your own, forget about the GAP. The cheapest GAP ammo I used to buy online was $19 for a box of 50. That does not include an $8 + shipping cost. Locally, I can buy it for $28+. That is very expensive. :faint:

- Recoil on both subcompact is very close. The G39 is a hair softer than my XDs ACP due to Glock thicker or heavier slide.
- Both the G39 and XDs 45 are very accurate !


In the end, I sold my Glock 39 due to one reason alone. Ammo availability in my area. I went for the XDs 45 since I can go to Walmart ang get that 100 round box of ammo for $29.98. :supergrin: I have a friend who work at Walmart and tells me if these boxes are in stack :embarassed: They go very fast off the shelf...

Though the XDs holds 5+1 rounds, it is a lot comfortable to carry due to single stack frame design. I can get a 7+1 round magazine as a backup.

The other gun that I carry is a 9mm Sig Sauer P938. This one I pocket carry. It is a lot easier to pocket carry than having to wear a gun belt etc....

I am still concern about a 9mm stopping power. I know , I know, shot placement is important, but here is my question.
Do you think this officer would have survived if the gun man used a 45 caliber instead of 9mm ? Just the 2 shot alone in the face and back of the head...


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