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DOC44
08-19-2012, 06:24
Chesterfield man held in hospital on concerns over Internet posts

A Chesterfield County man and Marine veteran is in a local hospital after being picked up by federal and local law enforcement officials concerned about threatening Internet postings.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, was in Hopewell's John Randolph Medical Center on Saturday.

"I'm currently in John Randolph in the psychiatric ward being held against my will," Raub said in a telephone interview.

Reports of his detention Thursday have gone viral on the Internet.

Raub said Secret Service, FBI and Chesterfield police officers came to his home Thursday. "They were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials," he said.

He was taken to the Chesterfield police station and then to the hospital, he said


:wow:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-chesterfield-man-held-in-hospital-on-conce-ar-2140519/

Doc44

Skyhook
08-19-2012, 06:35
Makes one wonder just what was in those posts.

Also makes one wonder about the 'hospitalization' business. I know that in past restrictive governments in other lands, 'hospitalization' in mental wards was fairly routine.

I also know that we are presently experiencing what I believe to be a barely legitimate national government which seems to delight in executive orders and stealthy behaviors.

:dunno:

fortyofforty
08-19-2012, 06:56
And, as is so typical, nobody apperently arrested him. We didn't arrest him, we were assisting these other guys. Well, we didn't arrest him either, we were just helping those other guys. This is the kind of thing that happens in Socialist countries, when only mentally ill people would challenge the government.

JBnTX
08-19-2012, 08:31
This is only the beginning.:steamed:

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 09:44
Raub said he has been raising questions about 9/11 and signed a petition to reopen investigation of the terrorist attacks.

On Wednesday, Raub posted on his Facebook page, "The Revolution is here. And I will lead it."

On Aug. 11, he posted: "I know many of you think I'm going crazy, and are wondering just why I have been posting the things I have been posting. I don't have the energy to explain. Just know that a new beginning is coming."

An Aug. 5 post said, "If you are unaware of the great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government I suggest you take … your head out of the sand. The day of reckoning is almost at hand."

And on Aug. 4, he posted, "I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to."

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-chesterfield-man-held-in-hospital-on-conce-ar-2140519/





Not too different from some things posted here. Interesting.
After the recent nutcases that have been shooting up places, mentally unstable people are going to get a little more scrutiny.

You don't have to agree or disagree, but it pays to be aware of the situation.


Found some pics......

http://antinewworldorderparty.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/brandon-j-raub.jpg?w=640&h=480

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/502fe791ecad04413800000a/brandon-raub.jpg

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/50300300ecad04c569000007/brandon-raub.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/lSdgO2fs2UPa-ZgZPCo3yXhYB2N9BIXEa4HcLc1VwL5VBZI1WQ-I1mwY6K-kDD5ak-tp07WZylaHvTINAoXDRg-PnXQNN6lE/BJR.png

http://themadjewess.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/abaa.jpg?w=529



After that, yeah, I'm sorry, this guy needs thorough neuro-psych testing, as an Inpatient.

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 10:45
You missed the one about the secret castle in CO where our political overlords rape children for sport. The Revolution is coming, even if he has to kick it off.

No, I'm not making that up.

ETA: July 28, Facebook: If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush's are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I'm crazy? Think again.

RustyShackelford
08-19-2012, 10:49
He sure doesn't seem as innocent as some would love to believe.

But, whatever.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 11:03
Any idea who he was going to vote for?

It is GTPI, isn't it?

Ruble Noon
08-19-2012, 11:05
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/502fe791ecad04413800000a/brandon-raub.jpg



Is that a pic of the Aurora shooter? :dunno:

http://glamazonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/aurora-shooter-james-holmes.jpg

Ruble Noon
08-19-2012, 11:08
Any idea who he was going to vote for?

It is GTPI, isn't it?

I'd put my money on Romney.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 11:13
Is that a pic of the Aurora shooter? :dunno:

http://glamazonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/aurora-shooter-james-holmes.jpg

Nope, it's taken from the video of the arrest. I did noticed the uncanny resemblance though.

Marine Vet detained for FB posts - Brandon J Raub being "arrested" - YouTube

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 11:15
I'd put my money on Romney.

How much you want to bet? I just got home yesterday after a week in Vegas, ended down a whole three dollars, you could help me break even.

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 11:41
I'd put my money on Romney.

After all the work he did for Ron Paul?


Nah.

CitizenOfDreams
08-19-2012, 11:50
I did noticed the uncanny resemblance though.

They are clones bred in a secret castle in Colorado to conduct false flag operations. Think I'm crazy? Think again.

janice6
08-19-2012, 12:00
Regardless of whether you agree with this man's activities or not.

The act of "not arresting him, but incarcerating him without due process, in a mental hospital, reeks of Russian and other dictatorial governments methods.

Is he under arrest or not? Did he threaten anothers well being or not?

Not much for details, just punishment.

concretefuzzynuts
08-19-2012, 12:03
They are clones bred in a secret castle in Colorado to conduct false flag operations. Think I'm crazy? Think again.

Like the clones in "The Boys From Brazil".

I thought it was an uncanny resemblance too.

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 12:05
Regardless of whether you agree with this man's activities or not.

The act of "not arresting him, but incarcerating him without due process, in a mental hospital, reeks of Russian and other dictatorial governments methods.

Is he under arrest or not? Did he threaten anothers well being or not?

Not much for details, just punishment.

A mental health evaluation isn't generally considered an arrest. If he's to be kept beyond that initial assessment, he'll get a hearing with lawyers and judges and evidence and everything.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 12:35
Regardless of whether you agree with this man's activities or not.

The act of "not arresting him, but incarcerating him without due process, in a mental hospital, reeks of Russian and other dictatorial governments methods.

Is he under arrest or not? Did he threaten anothers well being or not?

Not much for details, just punishment.

It's called "treatment".

It is not a casual thing to get an "involuntary" commitment. It appears easy from reading about it on the internet but it takes a good amount of legal gymnastics.

While I am one to be suspicious of Government at all levels, take another look at his internet posting as provided by another poster and think about this guy for few minutes. We should always watch our Government closely, but in this case, just watch and enjoy the show, as it were

walt cowan
08-19-2012, 12:38
Ndaa.

janice6
08-19-2012, 12:39
It's called "treatment".

It is not a casual thing to get an "involuntary" commitment. It appears easy from reading about it on the internet but it takes a good amount of legal gymnastics.

While I am one to be suspicious of Government at all levels, take another look at his internet posting as provided by another poster and think about this guy for few minutes. We should always watch our Government closely, but in this case, just watch and enjoy the show, as it were


It sounded like the authorities were able to just"take" him without arrest, and place him involuntarily in a mental hospital.

Thank you for elaborating on the process I know nothing about. (I am not being facetious)

Bren
08-19-2012, 12:46
Makes one wonder just what was in those posts.

Also makes one wonder about the 'hospitalization' business. I know that in past restrictive governments in other lands, 'hospitalization' in mental wards was fairly routine.

I also know that we are presently experiencing what I believe to be a barely legitimate national government which seems to delight in executive orders and stealthy behaviors.

:dunno:

I wonder, as well. I'm not aware of a law that allows involuntary commitment or arrest of anyone, even if they are crazy, for calling for the arrest of government officials (usually requires "danger to self or others"). If we can do that, therre are a LOT of left-wingers and "occupy" types that need to be committed.

EDIT: never mind - looking at his posts, he may have understated things alittle. "Danger to himself or others" shouldn't be hard to come up with.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 12:55
It sounded like the authorities were able to just"take" him without arrest, and place him involuntarily in a mental hospital.

Thank you for elaborating on the process I know nothing about. (I am not being facetious)


Each State is a bit different, but many years ago as part of my job I took part in a couple of them and, in our State at least, we could put them on a "police hold for observation" for a period of 48 hrs IF there was sufficient probable cause to believe that they presented a real and immediate danger to themselves or others. That "hold" had to go before a Judge ASAP for review of the "probable cause". That was the method in an "exigent" situation.

Lacking exigency, a relative, family member etcetera would have to request a "welfare check" on an individual. What that generally amounted to was an officer meeting with the subject and either a) convincing them to voluntarily seek treatment and perhaps a voluntry commitment (from which they could walk out at any time) or, 2) the officer gather information by observtion during interaction with the subject that could be presented to a judge to seek a warrant for an involuntary observation period.

In the case of an observation period Dr.s must present credible evidence (in our State it took 3 Doctors to agree) to the Judge to support further involuntary restraint.



the internet was not an issue at the time but, and I make no claim to accuracy I am just extrapolating here from what would seem a logical progression through technology, but it would seem to me (and it must depend on jurisdiction obviously) that information put on the internet might be presented to a Judge in lieu of, or in support of, an officers observations.

Again, that was my State 30 years ago, or so.


ETA: in the case of an "commitment hearing" extending the 48 hr observation, the "subject" is assigned a public defender or at least offered one to protect their rights.

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 13:02
It sounded like the authorities were able to just"take" him without arrest, and place him involuntarily in a mental hospital.

Thank you for elaborating on the process I know nothing about. (I am not being facetious)

Details vary by state, here're mine:

Someone---anyone with direct knowledge of the guy---has reason to believe that he's a danger to self or a danger to others goes to the public mental health crisis office and swears a complaint to the psych social workers. The file, including any available medical records (not always there unless he's already receiving court-ordered treatment) go to the on-call psychiatrist. If he's convinced of DTS/DTO, he authorizes a pick-up (or revocation of the existing out-treatment plan) and a transport to a psych facility.

There, they have up to 72 hours to stabilize him and kick him loose. If they do, there's generally in-home followup by the above-mentioned psych social workers. If they can't stabilize, then in-patient treatment has to be authorized. That generally calls for an involuntary committal by a judge. The state is represented, and the patient has a lawyer who (amazingly) does his best to have his client kicked back to the street, whether or not that's in his best interest.

Only after an adjudication can the patient be involuntarily committed or forcibly medicated.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 13:18
Regardless of whether you agree with this man's activities or not.

The act of "not arresting him, but incarcerating him without due process, in a mental hospital, reeks of Russian and other dictatorial governments methods.

Is he under arrest or not? Did he threaten anothers well being or not?

Not much for details, just punishment.

If you are deemed a threat to yourself and/or others, you can be committed to treatment. After reading the small bit I have about this guy, I'm not surprised that someone was willing to sign their name to a statement saying he needs evaluation.

He may have a perfectly good reason for making those posts, sleep deprivation, certain herbal preparations, and a lot of conspiracy theory literature lying around unsecured could be to blame.


Anyhow, a 72 hour evaluation seems to be in order.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 13:24
Ndaa.

This was common long before 2001. Crazy people need help. This guy is enough to spook any relative.


But, just curious, if you had to take bets on who will be the first GTPI poster picked up, who would you think it would be?

janice6
08-19-2012, 13:43
This was common long before 2001. Crazy people need help. This guy is enough to spook any relative.


But, just curious, if you had to take bets on who will be the first GTPI poster picked up, who would you think it would be?


It's not me! My folks had me tested.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 13:46
It's not me! My folks had me tested.

Well, either they have internet access at the hospital, and allow you to check out gun sites (not likely) or you passed.

Congrats :thumbsup:

Foxtrotx1
08-19-2012, 14:15
Details vary by state, here're mine:

Someone---anyone with direct knowledge of the guy---has reason to believe that he's a danger to self or a danger to others goes to the public mental health crisis office and swears a complaint to the psych social workers. The file, including any available medical records (not always there unless he's already receiving court-ordered treatment) go to the on-call psychiatrist. If he's convinced of DTS/DTO, he authorizes a pick-up (or revocation of the existing out-treatment plan) and a transport to a psych facility.

There, they have up to 72 hours to stabilize him and kick him loose. If they do, there's generally in-home followup by the above-mentioned psych social workers. If they can't stabilize, then in-patient treatment has to be authorized. That generally calls for an involuntary committal by a judge. The state is represented, and the patient has a lawyer who (amazingly) does his best to have his client kicked back to the street, whether or not that's in his best interest.

Only after an adjudication can the patient be involuntarily committed or forcibly medicated.

Not a fan of PDs?

G19G20
08-19-2012, 15:20
Ive seen most of his FB posts and other places and Im wondering what exactly was illegal. Speaking your mind on the internet is 1st amendment protected speech as long as you don't threaten anyone directly. Has the SS arrived in the USA?

I figured there would be a few lol@Paulite comments but that sickens me since no matter how "crazy" I think some of you establishment loving folks comments are I would NEVER consider it acceptable, much less pleasurable, to see any of you dragged off by the cops for your comments alone.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 15:28
Ive seen most of his FB posts and other places and Im wondering what exactly was illegal. Speaking your mind on the internet is 1st amendment protected speech as long as you don't threaten anyone directly. Has the SS arrived in the USA?

I figured there would be a few lol@Paulite comments but that sickens me since no matter how "crazy" I think some of you establishment loving folks comments are I would NEVER consider it acceptable, much less pleasurable, to see any of you dragged off by the cops for your comments alone.



Aren't you missing something there Skippy?

It is a CIVIL procedure and if you read any of the explanations in the thread you might have grasped that.

He wasn't "arrested" for an opinion.

Stang_Man
08-19-2012, 15:33
If you have a credible third party witness that states a fear that the individual is a danger to himself or others, in Texas you can have them admitted to a mental health facility. Maybe a family member or friend made the call to get him help?

(If an officer notices the dangerous acts firsthand, they can make the call too)

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 16:17
Not a fan of PDs?

That's not quite my gripe in this thread. PDs are overworked, but so are prosecutors. You gets lot of true believers in both offices, and that's a plus.

My gripe is that there tends to be a misfocusing. Too much of the trial attorney mindset carries over, and they equate "back on the street" with "case won". That's very often not really what's in the best interests of the patient, though.

The adversarial system may be good for the criminal procedures, but it's not where we should be when getting sick people treatment.

G19G20
08-19-2012, 16:26
Aren't you missing something there Skippy?

It is a CIVIL procedure and if you read any of the explanations in the thread you might have grasped that.

He wasn't "arrested" for an opinion.

That sound you heard was my entire point flying over your head at high speed.

I don't care how much I disagree with your posts, I will never take pleasure in seeing you hauled off to reeducation camp over them. Better?

If you have a credible third party witness that states a fear that the individual is a danger to himself or others, in Texas you can have them admitted to a mental health facility. Maybe a family member or friend made the call to get him help?

(If an officer notices the dangerous acts firsthand, they can make the call too)

Posting on Facebook is not a dangerous act and I'd be ashamed if my own family called the cops on me for my opinions.

hogship
08-19-2012, 16:26
But, just curious, if you had to take bets on who will be the first GTPI poster picked up, who would you think it would be?

What instantly came to mind was.......G19G20

I don't know why, but I keep thinking G19G20 is also a juvenile not yet eligible to vote........

Who knows.......but, that's the impression I keep getting.

ooc

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 16:29
Ive seen most of his FB posts and other places and Im wondering what exactly was illegal. Speaking your mind on the internet is 1st amendment protected speech as long as you don't threaten anyone directly. Has the SS arrived in the USA?

I figured there would be a few lol@Paulite comments but that sickens me since no matter how "crazy" I think some of you establishment loving folks comments are I would NEVER consider it acceptable, much less pleasurable, to see any of you dragged off by the cops for your comments alone.

Indirect threats are a problem also. All one needs to do is garner enough attention that a close friend or relative is willing to swear that they think you are a danger to yourself or others, and you get a 72 hour interview. That's OK. I saw some of his posts, and he was implying that he was becoming ready for violence. He never mentioned r3VOLution, but he did sound like he was preparing for a revolution.

He needs some meds and a nice nap. Oh, and just to be clear, if you really needed to be dragged off by the police, we would all wish that you were. For your own good. :supergrin:

G19G20
08-19-2012, 16:32
What instantly came to mind was.......G19G20

I don't know why, but I keep thinking G19G20 is also a juvenile not yet eligible to vote........

Who knows.......but, that's the impression I keep getting.

ooc

Awwww Im flattered that I rate so highly in your conscious thought processes. It's a gift, what can I say?

What's funny is that my posts are some of the most informed, thought out, grammatically and punctuation correct of all on GTPI. If I'm not even 18, what does that say about the band of morons posting here in their 40s and 50s? LOL

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 16:36
That sound you heard was my entire point flying over your head at high speed.

I don't care how much I disagree with your posts, I will never take pleasure in seeing you hauled off to reeducation camp over them. Better?



Posting on Facebook is not a dangerous act and I'd be ashamed if my own family called the cops on me for my opinions.

Opinions are one thing. Take a good close look at the following.

http://themadjewess.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/abaa.jpg?w=529



Are you SURE you cannot see the threats there?

Odds are, the kid was high as a kite and having fantasies of relevance when he was posting. In that case, he'll just learn a good lesson, to not post while intoxicated. If this guy was not under the influence when making those posts, he needs a nice nap, a 3 day vacation, and someone special to talk with for a while to see if he deserves even more R&R. After the last mass shooter was rumored to have been under the care of a psychiatrist before him going off the deep end and killing 13 people, I'm sure they will be careful with this young former Marine.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 16:38
Awwww Im flattered that I rate so highly in your conscious thought processes. It's a gift, what can I say?

What's funny is that my posts are some of the most informed, thought out, grammatically and punctuation correct of all on GTPI. If I'm not even 18, what does that say about the band of morons posting here in their 40s and 50s? LOL

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1VnWQLgzUaM/TCjcKBopoYI/AAAAAAAACpw/Kj6Hz0URtZI/s1600/_01.jpg

G19G20
08-19-2012, 16:41
Indirect threats are a problem also. All one needs to do is garner enough attention that a close friend or relative is willing to swear that they think you are a danger to yourself or others, and you get a 72 hour interview. That's OK. I saw some of his posts, and he was implying that he was becoming ready for violence. He never mentioned r3VOLution, but he did sound like he was preparing for a revolution.

A lot of people in this country are becoming ready for violence. The government itself is becoming ready for violence. Seen ammo purchase numbers by civilians and government alike lately? What's your point?


He needs some meds and a nice nap. Oh, and just to be clear, if you really needed to be dragged off by the police, we would all wish that you were. For your own good. :supergrin:

He needs to be left alone to live his life how he sees fit. He hasn't harmed anyone. Thanks for confirming my long held opinion that you are an anti-freedom authoritarian Cav.

G19G20
08-19-2012, 16:53
Opinions are one thing. Take a good close look at the following.

http://themadjewess.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/abaa.jpg?w=529



Are you SURE you cannot see the threats there?

I see some Tupac lyrics, a Marine holding a perfectly legal firearm, and a few boisterous statements about revolution. I guess we need to go round up Sharon Angle, Ron Paul, and even the sunglasses store manager and every one else that dares to mention that nasty word revolution in public.

https://i3.ytimg.com/vi/BTxZ0hEAr1g/mqdefault.jpg



Odds are, the kid was high as a kite and having fantasies of relevance when he was posting.

Nothing wrong with that. Every kid does that.

"Odds are"? Isn't that a clever way of saying "I don't know one bit but I'll just insert my own version of reality and make it sound like fact."


In that case, he'll just learn a good lesson, to not post while intoxicated.

That'll teach him to exercise his rights. You're still inventing the intoxicated part....


If this guy was not under the influence when making those posts, he needs a nice nap, a 3 day vacation, and someone special to talk with for a while to see if he deserves even more R&R.

Tupac lyrics deserve a 3 day vacation in a mental hospital?


After the last mass shooter was rumored to have been under the care of a psychiatrist before him going off the deep end and killing 13 people, I'm sure they will be careful with this young former Marine.

Or maybe Aurora killer was meant to get this sort of reaction out of you in the first place. For someone that claims to have such a storied military history, you sure don't pay much attention to psyops possibilities.

hogship
08-19-2012, 16:54
Awwww Im flattered that I rate so highly in your conscious thought processes. It's a gift, what can I say?

What's funny is that my posts are some of the most informed, thought out, grammatically and punctuation correct of all on GTPI. If I'm not even 18, what does that say about the band of morons posting here in their 40s and 50s? LOL

You are welcome! :supergrin:

BTW: You forgot to mention those of us in our 60's,70's, and older, that don't hate Romney because he wasn't their candidate........


Common sense isn't usually something one recognizes about ones self........it's normally something one recognizes about other people. I see plenty of common sense in how your posts are viewed by others......and the rejection you see, is a result of your failure to embrace common sense. The fact that you don't get much traction here, is directly related to what you don't recognize about yourself...... and that is something that is very obvious to others.

:wavey:

ooc

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 16:55
A lot of people in this country are becoming ready for violence. The government itself is becoming ready for violence. Seen ammo purchase numbers by civilians and government alike lately? What's your point?


Oh my, you are preparing for violence? When? Where?

All of my ammo purchases are purely for hunting and plinking.

But evidently you are preparing for more. Do tell, I want to know much more about this from you.
:cool:



He needs to be left alone to live his life how he sees fit. He hasn't harmed anyone. Thanks for confirming my long held opinion that you are an anti-freedom authoritarian Cav.

I've done more for freedom than you will ever know. Only because I don't brag about some stuff. I've been one of the good guys for a long time, you just can't see it.

All joking aside. I see some serious problems in his posts. The poor man is not right in the head. If he is just spouting off and not a threat, he'll be released. But if they find a hit list, motive, means, and plans, I hope they stopped him. If he is just guilty of posting to facebook while stoned, I hope he learns a lesson.

If only the Colorado Shooter's psychiatrist had been as vigilant. We, maybe not we, well some of us, lost Brothers In Arms that day.


If you needed to , or deserved to be dragged off by the police, what is wrong with wishing that to happen.

Good luck with that hearing.

:wavey:

G19G20
08-19-2012, 17:05
Oh my, you are preparing for violence? When? Where?

All of my ammo purchases are purely for hunting and plinking.

But evidently you are preparing for more. Do tell, I want to know much more about this from you.
:cool:

Where did I say I'm doing that? Nice troll attempt jackass. I'm sure DHS will appreciate your SS snitch notice though. I honestly thought for the longest time that you were just a misled, but patriotic, fellow. Now your posts are really starting to scare me. You're a fkin monster! And I mean that in all seriousness!


I've done more for freedom than you will ever know.

Then you follow up that SSesque paragraph with this gem.


All joking aside.

No joking over here. You're turning into a very scary dude. I'm starting to understand what the Jews in Poland felt like.

hogship
08-19-2012, 17:15
Where did I say I'm doing that? Nice troll attempt jackass. I'm sure DHS will appreciate your SS snitch notice though. I honestly thought for the longest time that you were just a misled, but patriotic, fellow. Now your posts are really starting to scare me. You're a fkin monster! And I mean that in all seriousness!



Then you follow up that SSesque paragraph with this gem.



No joking over here. You're turning into a very scary dude. I'm starting to understand what the Jews in Poland felt like.

I just thought I'd preserve this post, before it's altered or removed. G19G20, you are giving all of us everything we need to know about your motivational inspiration.

Cavalry Doc........For the record, we have disagreed on a few things.........but, I see a lot of common sense in your thinking.......and, thanks for your efforts to preserve the freedoms we hold dear..........and to preserve G19G20's freedoms, too!

:wavey:

ooc

countrygun
08-19-2012, 17:17
Where did I say I'm doing that? Nice troll attempt jackass. I'm sure DHS will appreciate your SS snitch notice though. I honestly thought for the longest time that you were just a misled, but patriotic, fellow. Now your posts are really starting to scare me. You're a fkin monster! And I mean that in all seriousness!



Then you follow up that SSesque paragraph with this gem.



No joking over here. You're turning into a very scary dude. I'm starting to understand what the Jews in Poland felt like.

First self-aggrandizement, now paranoia............

G19G20
08-19-2012, 17:24
First self-aggrandizement, now paranoia............

Actually no it isn't. Cav has tried repeatedly to learn who I am in real life, such as wanting to know where I live, my age, etc. Has threatened me with violence before and now is attempting to frame me as some sort of domestic terrorist threat, when I clearly said nothing of the sort. I have no doubt that he, among others here, would genuinely love to see me and folks like me silenced by JBTs for our opinions.

That's a truly scary feeling to have in the United States. It's not paranoia if someone really is following you. It's also a sign that we're making an impact if that's the sort of response we are getting from authoritarians.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 17:25
Actually no it isn't. Cav has tried repeatedly to learn who I am in real life, such as wanting to know where I live, my age, etc. Has threatened me with violence before and now is attempting to frame me as some sort of domestic terrorist threat, when I clearly said nothing. I have no doubt that he, among others here, would genuinely love to see me and folks like me silenced by JBTs for our opinions.

That's a truly scary feeling to have in the United States. It's not paranoia if someone really is following you.


And he has identified with someone who is undergoing psychiatric evalution and now has delusions of being threatened.

He now claims there is a plot against him

G19G20
08-19-2012, 17:32
I just thought I'd preserve this post, before it's altered or removed. G19G20, you are giving all of us everything we need to know about your motivational inspiration.

Yeah, good call. Fear of being dragged off to reeducation camp for my opinions shouldn't be a motivational inspiration. Silly me.


Cavalry Doc........For the record, we have disagreed on a few things.........but, I see a lot of common sense in your thinking.......and, thanks for your efforts to preserve the freedoms we hold dear..........and to preserve G19G20's freedoms, too!

:wavey:

ooc

Yeah thanks for preserving my freedoms by harrassing me, threatening me, and attempting to frame me as a terrorist. NO WONDER YOU PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR ROMNEY! Speaking of inspirational motivations. It just suddenly clicked! You all are lining up for Romney because you WANT an authoritarian. You WANT a President that will be a dictator. And why? Because you want to be on the dictator's team and feel good about harming other people for their opinions. You actually WANT a fascist police state. Lots of people supported Hitler, even elected him. Wow I don't know how I didn't see this sooner....

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 17:33
Actually no it isn't. Cav has tried repeatedly to learn who I am in real life, such as wanting to know where I live, my age, etc. Has threatened me with violence before and now is attempting to frame me as some sort of domestic terrorist threat, when I clearly said nothing of the sort. I have no doubt that he, among others here, would genuinely love to see me and folks like me silenced by JBTs for our opinions.

That's a truly scary feeling to have in the United States. It's not paranoia if someone really is following you. It's also a sign that we're making an impact if that's the sort of response we are getting from authoritarians.


Trust me bub, I really don't care who you are IRL. I didn't even pay attention to the names on the Gilbert complaint, or the states. The one thing for certain is that I do not want to ever meet you IRL.

It is fun to show how unfounded most of the posts made by this username are.

One thing particular though. You are claiming that I threatened you with violence????? WTF are you smoking. I'm one of the most nonviolent people I know, I would never wish you physical harm. And legal problems only when you've richly deserved them, and only after due process.


So, you have accused me of a crime. I want you to recant your libelous claim right now, and offer a full and complete apology, before I call the mods on you.

:tongueout:

Stang_Man
08-19-2012, 17:34
Posting on Facebook is not a dangerous act and I'd be ashamed if my own family called the cops on me for my opinions.

Did you read his posts? Dude was a little out there, and with all these mass shootings, I think the right call was made.

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 17:38
I just thought I'd preserve this post, before it's altered or removed. G19G20, you are giving all of us everything we need to know about your motivational inspiration.

Cavalry Doc........For the record, we have disagreed on a few things.........but, I see a lot of common sense in your thinking.......and, thanks for your efforts to preserve the freedoms we hold dear..........and to preserve G19G20's freedoms, too!

:wavey:

ooc

I've been trying to nudge the poor little guy in the right direction, but he keeps tripping over his pride.

Some people are their own worst enemy.:dunno:

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 17:39
And he has identified with someone who is undergoing psychiatric evalution and now has delusions of being threatened.

He now claims there is a plot against him

It's almost becoming worrisome, isn't it......http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/266/6/9/_nailbiter__by_LeoLeonardo.gif

hogship
08-19-2012, 17:43
Did you read his posts? Dude was a little out there, and with all these mass shootings, I think the right call was made.

Right!

In nearly ALL of these senseless shootings, somebody comes forward and expresses some previously held serious doubt about the mental stability of the shooter........

In this particular case, there was ample evidence to conclude something was wrong.......seriously wrong!.........:steamed:

ooc

G19G20
08-19-2012, 17:43
Trust me bub, I really don't care who you are IRL. I didn't even pay attention to the names on the Gilbert complaint, or the states. The one thing for certain is that I do not want to ever meet you IRL.

Then stop asking me for my personal information whenever you get the chance.


One thing particular though. You are claiming that I threatened you with violence????? WTF are you smoking. I'm one of the most nonviolent people I know, I would never wish you physical harm. And legal problems only when you've richly deserved them, and only after due process.

I haven't forgotten your "invite" to have me assaulted by your fellow servicemen for my opinions. The post is here for anyone to find.


So, you have accused me of a crime. I want you to recant your libelous claim right now, and offer a full and complete apology, before I call the mods on you.

:tongueout:

Post is here for anyone to find.

I've been trying to nudge the poor little guy in the right direction, but he keeps tripping over his pride.

Some people are their own worst enemy.:dunno:

Like those that want Romney to win.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 17:44
It's almost becoming worrisome, isn't it......http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/266/6/9/_nailbiter__by_LeoLeonardo.gif



http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/abnormal.png

hogship
08-19-2012, 17:50
I haven't forgotten your "invite" to have me assaulted by your fellow servicemen for my opinions. The post is here for anyone to find.

So, you have accused me of a crime. I want you to recant your libelous claim right now, and offer a full and complete apology, before I call the mods on you.
Post is here for anyone to find.


G19G20........You have no idea what a "mod" is, do you?

:rofl:

ooc

steveksux
08-19-2012, 18:03
Do they have state run mental health facilities in VA?

Because if not, if its a private hospital holding him, they will do everything in their power to kick him loose as soon as his insurance runs out. If he has no insurance, they will kick him loose as soon as they are legally able to, whether he's crazy as hell or not, as long as they can make the case that he's NOT a danger to himself and/or others.

You don't have to worry about him getting a public defender to work to free him. The hospital system does that all by itself for cases like this. Costs money to feed, clothe, medicate, treat him. If he doesn't have it, the bean counters want nothing to do with him.

What you have to worry about him being kicked out when he really needs some sort of treatment but isn't quite to the point of being an immediate imminent threat to the public at this very moment.

Besides the facility desperately working against holding him, you also have the courts who look after the interests of the person in question. Getting someone involuntarily committed takes court hearings, he will get representation.

He's been taken in for observation and evaluation. That will last a very short time.

Randy

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 18:17
Then stop asking me for my personal information whenever you get the chance.


You need to be very sober when you read this, so if you aren't, get there, THEN respond.

I asked your age, because you act like a kid. You claim not to be bound as a delegate, and I ask for what state you are a delegate of, that's it. You make claims, and refuse to support them. I don't even remember what age you are, because you act like you are 22, I think of you that way. Simple enough.


I haven't forgotten your "invite" to have me assaulted by your fellow servicemen for my opinions. The post is here for anyone to find.


You have no integrity at all, do you. Why don't you pull that post up, I did not threaten you at all. You are intentionally mischaracterizing my post in an effort to harm my reputation.

Recant, before it's too late. If you'd like, you can link to the post where you allege you were threatened.

You sir, are a liar.


Post is here for anyone to find.




You've made some very serious allegations, I suggest you apologize, or try to back them up.
It's your duty to produce the evidence you claim you have, unless you are a Reid/McCarthy wannabe.

Snowman92D
08-19-2012, 18:17
It's almost becoming worrisome, isn't it......http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/266/6/9/_nailbiter__by_LeoLeonardo.gif

I'm betting he'll start hearing subliminal messages in Yiddish from Ron Paul that you're arranging for him to be kidnapped and spirited away to Cheyenne Mountain...to be raped and sacrificed with all the other innocents. :tinfoil:

Cavalry Doc
08-19-2012, 18:22
I'm betting he'll start hearing subliminal messages in Yiddish from Ron Paul that you're arranging for him to be kidnapped and spirited away to Cheyenne Mountain...to be raped and sacrificed with all the other innocents. :tinfoil:

I think we should give him a chance to react rationally, maybe tomorrow, before any calls to the men in black are necessary.

http://www.dhs.gov/if-you-see-something-say-something-campaign

countrygun
08-19-2012, 18:24
I think we should give him a chance to react rationally, maybe tomorrow, before any calls to the men in black are necessary.

http://www.dhs.gov/if-you-see-something-say-something-campaign


we do have all the info ready at hand don't we?

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 20:06
Yeah, good call. Fear of being dragged off to reeducation camp for my opinions shouldn't be a motivational inspiration. Silly me.



Yeah thanks for preserving my freedoms by harrassing me, threatening me, and attempting to frame me as a terrorist. NO WONDER YOU PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR ROMNEY! Speaking of inspirational motivations. It just suddenly clicked! You all are lining up for Romney because you WANT an authoritarian. You WANT a President that will be a dictator. And why? Because you want to be on the dictator's team and feel good about harming other people for their opinions. You actually WANT a fascist police state. Lots of people supported Hitler, even elected him. Wow I don't know how I didn't see this sooner....



:animlol: :animlol:

breathe....breathe....

:rofl: :rofl:


You gotta be woofin us... :rofl:

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 20:13
we do have all the info ready at hand don't we?

It would be naughty for trusted professionals to turn on him so.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 20:15
It would be naughty for trusted professionals to turn on him so.


We are not supposed to judge him, we are here to help him.

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 20:18
We are not supposed to judge him, we are here to help him.

Well, okay, as long as the motives are pure.


It's a toll-free call, right?

4TS&W
08-19-2012, 20:35
He sounds like a nut to me. The question is.. what can be legally done?

countrygun
08-19-2012, 20:39
He sounds like a nut to me. The question is.. what can be legally done?

it's being taken care of, didn't you read the whole news article?

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 20:40
He sounds like a nut to me. The question is.. what can be legally done?

Honestly, just what's being done. Evaluate him, make sure he's stable, and if he's still a DTS/DTO, commit him for court-ordered treatment.

countrygun
08-19-2012, 20:43
Honestly, just what's being done. Evaluate him, make sure he's stable, and if he's still a DTS/DTO, commit him for court-ordered treatment.


Oh, That guy.


nevermind

stevelyn
08-19-2012, 20:44
It sounded like the authorities were able to just"take" him without arrest, and place him involuntarily in a mental hospital.

Thank you for elaborating on the process I know nothing about. (I am not being facetious)

Generally that's the way it works. Alaska law provides authority for a peace officer to take someone into custody for a 72 hrs involutary committment for evaluation if we have probable cause to believe a person is "gravely disabled or is suffering from mental illness and is likely to cause harm to self or others of such immediate nature that considerations of safety do not allow initiation of involuntary committment proceedures set out in AS 47.30.705,......"

In my experiences, emergency committments have followed significant suicide attempts or gestures, but they can include other things too that place the person or others at risk.

We still have to fill out a commitment application, but it's much shorter and addresses immediate concerns. There is also proceedures set out to petition the court for an involutary committment where the circumstances aren't immediate.

Either way you still need a judge or magistrates stamp of approval for it to happen.

I'm sure that most states follow similar procceedures.

Sam Spade
08-19-2012, 20:45
http://rlv.zcache.com/i_see_what_you_did_there_poster-r8f044f42410c44898ead34192059346f_y1u_400.jpgit's being taken care of, didn't you read the whole news article?

QNman
08-19-2012, 21:54
Not evaluating someone with this kind of craziness on a public forum would be careless and derelict.

Then stop asking me for my personal information whenever you get the chance.

I haven't forgotten your "invite" to have me assaulted by your fellow servicemen for my opinions. The post is here for anyone to find.

Post is here for anyone to find.

Like those that want Romney to win.

Put up or shut up, kiddo. Nobody's buying what you're selling.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 04:44
I see some Tupac lyrics, a Marine holding a perfectly legal firearm, and a few boisterous statements about revolution. I guess we need to go round up Sharon Angle, Ron Paul, and even the sunglasses store manager and every one else that dares to mention that nasty word revolution in public.

https://i3.ytimg.com/vi/BTxZ0hEAr1g/mqdefault.jpg




Nothing wrong with that. Every kid does that.

"Odds are"? Isn't that a clever way of saying "I don't know one bit but I'll just insert my own version of reality and make it sound like fact."



That'll teach him to exercise his rights. You're still inventing the intoxicated part....



Tupac lyrics deserve a 3 day vacation in a mental hospital?



Or maybe Aurora killer was meant to get this sort of reaction out of you in the first place. For someone that claims to have such a storied military history, you sure don't pay much attention to psyops possibilities.

The real hard part about that kind of psyops is finding the young fool willing to throw his life away, and kill a bunch of the people he is supposed to be protecting. It would make a good chapter in a book, not how it looks like in reality. Psyops develop commercials, broadcasts, leaflets and flyers more often.

Hypothetically assuming he must have been high is actually a positive wishful thought for him. If he was sober, there are some issues that will need to be explored, one of which is the possible underlying psychosis. Something else you probably missed.

I'm not a tupac fan, and just maybe, the relative that turned him in wasn't either. Lucky for him a judge will have to convince a judge he needs more time.

If those posts look fine to you, and you are saying that the Colorado shooting was a false flag, that does say something.

How long do you think before you lead the revolution because you can't wait anymore?

Bren
08-20-2012, 04:50
Awwww Im flattered that I rate so highly in your conscious thought processes. It's a gift, what can I say?

What's funny is that my posts are some of the most informed, thought out, grammatically and punctuation correct of all on GTPI. If I'm not even 18, what does that say about the band of morons posting here in their 40s and 50s? LOL

You have an opinion of yourself that is - I mean this seriously - not shared by others who read your posts. This theread is one more example of why.

Bren
08-20-2012, 04:57
This was common long before 2001. Crazy people need help. This guy is enough to spook any relative.


But, just curious, if you had to take bets on who will be the first GTPI poster picked up, who would you think it would be?

There are a few people posting here who I really think are mentally ill, but they usually post in GNG. Not joking - there are many I think are idiots, but some I seriously consider candidates for the nut hut. The most recent examples I can't remember by name, but one thought he was the subject of a "voice to skull" attack and the other has a James Bond armored car with bullet proof windows electric door handles to protect him from the police, because they insist on stopping him for traffic violations.

Blast
08-20-2012, 05:06
http://www.capturingvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ronulan-Ale-Sticker-4.1-306x191.jpg

Bootleg Absinthe is sodipop by comparison:whistling:

coqui33
08-20-2012, 06:23
Oh my, you are preparing for violence? When? Where?

All of my ammo purchases are purely for hunting and plinking.

But evidently you are preparing for more. Do tell, I want to know much more about this from you.
I do not want to get between Doc and the fruitcake, but I should point out that some of us have no interest in plinking or hunting. We carry and train constantly only to defend ourselves and our families from criminals. We prepare for violence but pray that it never happens.