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G19G20
08-20-2012, 03:29
Considering the true colors displayed by the authoritarian neo-con poster peanut gallery here on GTPI in the Chesterfield thread, it has dawned on me today what's going on with this country as a whole.

The US is going the exact same direction as Nazi Germany did during the late 1920's and 1930's. People want a dictator in the White House so they can feel good about harming people with differing political opinions, instead of guaranteeing freedom of speech and opinion and taking responsibility for their own actions (or inaction) that led to the current environment. The recent cheering for the incarceration of "political prisoners" is a scary development in a country with a Constitution that guarantees people's freedom to speak their minds against others and the government without fear of retribution, even if their opinions may be unpopular. A modern day Night of the Long Knives can't be far off.

Read the below short form history of Nazi Germany and tell me you don't see a ton of similarities to America's current conditions and trajectory, then read more in depth at your leisure. Political prisoners placed in reeducation camps, high unemployment, economy hobbled by bad war policy and overspending and inflation, political unrest and high divisiveness, persecution of scapegoats to shift blame away from bad policy and apathy, etc.

http://www.history.co.uk/explore-history/ww2/nazi-germany.html

The people of Germany elected Hitler. He didn't claim power through a coup. They lined up behind him in blaming opposing groups for the demise of the country, instead of looking at themselves as just part of the problem. They wanted to silence dissent and avoid addressing the real issues facing their country. They fell for the "lesser of two evils" mantra that led them into depression and foolish wars, fell for false flag operations on their own soil, fell for freedom killing legislation that supplanted the rule of law, and many other parallels that can easily be seen in this country right now. The German people WANTED a dictator and the people that were really in charge gave it to them. After all, dictators allow people to stop thinking for themselves and I see plenty of that on this forum and elsewhere. Those that didn't want a dictator were summarily silenced by neighborly snitches and federal gestapo.

Many posters here and across the country want a dictator and are working to fulfill Hitler's vow in modern day America:

"At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense, I tell you that the Nazi movement will go on for 1,000 years!”

Indeed, Chancellor. Indeed. The parallels are hard to ignore. People simply want to be told what to do and avoid taking responsibility for their own actions, particularly when they can consider themselves part of the "winning team", instead of part of the problem. Even if the winning team is going to lead them into ruin just like the other team. Hitler's National Socialist Party was the winning team. Go team...

tgmr05
08-20-2012, 06:26
Dude, your post is 4 years late, and we are about to fix what we almost mistakenly did to follow the nazi history.

Conservatives, and most definitely Chick fil A sure knows and understands what you are saying, though.... Labeled hate speech, shooters gunning for folks because of peer pressure and politiks..... Good thing we can put a stop to it this fall, if enough sane people are left to stop Obama.


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tgmr05
08-20-2012, 06:35
Divisiveness? That is Obamas legacy.... OWS now openly stating they are out to destroy our capitalist system and install communism, ...... You do know Hitler and the communists were arm in arm for quite a while, as they agreed on nearly everything, ideologically...

You are right though, we are mimicking nazi germany in many ways, just not about which side you think is doing it... Now you see why Germans went along with it? Not enough right wingers to educate folks and stop it.


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Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 06:35
Godwin's law.

G26S239
08-20-2012, 06:35
The Ronulan cult of personality has a closer resemblance to the followers of Hitler or Mao than any portion of the GOP base does. But I don't expect Paulbots to see that considering where their heads are stuck.

HexHead
08-20-2012, 06:49
Are blacks going to be the new Jews?

JBnTX
08-20-2012, 07:05
The US is going the exact same direction as Nazi Germany did during the late 1920's and 1930's..


I'm getting real tired of hearing comparisons between us and Nazi Germany. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Comparing this great country to Nazi Germany is just plain wrong, and is an insult to the freest country on Earth.

NOBODY in America wants a dictator!

We are NOT headed in the same direction as Nazi Germany.
Never have been and never will be.

Very soon Obama will be thrown on the trash heap of history and will take his rightful place as one of the worst presidents in history.

Then this country will recover and prosper once again.

All these armchair anarchists and wanna-be libertarians will be proven wrong about their dire predictions for this country.

..

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 07:05
Oh, and g19g20, just because you were able to get the other thread closed, I still expect you to either show where I've threatened you, or to recant your baseless allegation.

:popcorn:

Sam Spade
08-20-2012, 07:09
Godwin's law.

In the title itself.


Ties a record set in 2012.

Goaltender66
08-20-2012, 07:21
Godwin's law.

Not often you see it fulfilled in the first post though. :whistling:

I'd say of this entire rant, this is probably the most offensive:

Many posters here and across the country want a dictator and are working to fulfill Hitler's vow in modern day America:

"At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense, I tell you that the Nazi movement will go on for 1,000 years!”

So G19G20 thinks "many posters here and across the country" (leave aside the clumsy phrasing...how many posters are *not* simultaneously "here" and "across the country?") are working to entrench the Nazi movement here in the US?

First, while I'm sure on the Ron Paul message boards calling someone who disagrees with you a Nazi is de rigueur, here in the real world it's actually a pretty evil thing to do. It isn't a sign of being historically aware. It isn't funny or rhetorically valid. It *is*, however, a sign of callow thinking. If a person cannot tell the difference between a republic with numerous safeguards against government to mess around with people's rights and an ethno-centric socialist thugocracy then that person has no business being in polite company.

So to G19G20 I'll offer a handy rule of thumb: when a person is not out there in favor of murdering millions of people in concentration camps to create a global Reich headed by white men, you really shouldn't be calling him a Nazi. And if you're so stupid that you think calling him a Nazi is a good way to get attention or make yourself sound more important than you really are, then, like Gore Vidal, you need to be "socked in the goddam face:"

William Buckley Vs Gore Vidal - YouTube

rgregoryb
08-20-2012, 08:36
Are blacks going to be the new Jews?

is that your hope?

HexHead
08-20-2012, 08:42
[quote=Goaltender66;19327299

William Buckley Vs Gore Vidal - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8)[/quote]

I saw that live on TV when it first aired. Too bad the clip left out when Buckley got up, walked over to Vidal, punched him in the face and knocked him out of his chair onto his ass. It was awesome.

michael_b
08-20-2012, 08:52
I'm getting real tired of hearing comparisons between us and Nazi Germany. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Comparing this great country to Nazi Germany is just plain wrong, and is an insult to the freest country on Earth.

NOBODY in America wants a dictator!

We are NOT headed in the same direction as Nazi Germany.
Never have been and never will be.

Very soon Obama will be thrown on the trash heap of history and will take his rightful place as one of the worst presidents in history.

Then this country will recover and prosper once again.

All these armchair anarchists and wanna-be libertarians will be proven wrong about their dire predictions for this country

..

As someone in majored in history and studied the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany extensively, I have to say there are parallels to the fascist movement that swept through Europe.

Does that mean its exactly the same? No, not at all, but there are many similarities.

As for wanting a dictator, remember that Fascism is a progressive liberal intellectual movement based on the idea of a benevolent dictator.

Listen to the pro Obama crowd sometime- Michael Moore for example comes on Bill Mahrs show saying Obama needs to jut sign executive orders and bypass congress; Obama himself said much the same thing. The LOVE the idea of dictator.

The parallels of a worldwide economic slowdown, high national debt, playing up race divisions etc. - there's soooo many similarities.

I like your positive outlook and hope you are correct.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 09:12
http://www.history.co.uk/explore-history/ww2/nazi-germany.html

The people of Germany elected Hitler. He didn't claim power through a coup. They lined up behind him in blaming opposing groups for the demise of the country, instead of looking at themselves as just part of the problem. They wanted to silence dissent and avoid addressing the real issues facing their country. They fell for the "lesser of two evils" mantra that led them into depression and foolish wars, fell for false flag operations on their own soil, fell for freedom killing legislation that supplanted the rule of law, and many other parallels that can easily be seen in this country right now. The German people WANTED a dictator and the people that were really in charge gave it to them. After all, dictators allow people to stop thinking for themselves and I see plenty of that on this forum and elsewhere. Those that didn't want a dictator were summarily silenced by neighborly snitches and federal gestapo.

...Go team...

Read the link this time: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp

As has been pointed out to you in the past, Adolph was not elected to power by a majority, he was appointed by a man fearful of a vocal minority.

Kind of like what the Trojan horse delegates are attempting with their "Great Leader".

It's humorously entertaining that you've made another historical blunder while failing to look in a mirror. Bonus troll points for that one. :rofl:

countrygun
08-20-2012, 10:05
Are blacks going to be the new Jews?


If you haven't been paying attention and don't know your history, let me fill you in.

Hitler was able to target the jews, partially because of general anti-semitism but also as a matter of class warfare in a time of economic unrest. "crystal night" to put it in English, was largely aimed at Jewish businesses.

Jews were "the filthy rich that were hoarding wealth and keeping it from the people"

Sound familiar????

"1%ers"????

Obama is tacitly approving the occupy movement and himself is blaming the rich and even small businesses who "didn't build that themselves"

That is why I say that anyone not voting to remove him from office is duplicitous.

Snowman92D
08-20-2012, 10:17
Considering the true colors displayed by the authoritarian neo-con poster peanut gallery here on GTPI in the Chesterfield thread, it has dawned on me today what's going on with this country as a whole.

Short version: Anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul and drug legalization is a Nazi. :rofl:

countrygun
08-20-2012, 10:28
Short version: Anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul and drug legalization is a Nazi. :rofl:

The best part is, with Ron Paul's (snicker, snicker) "history of getting support in Congress for his bills (snicker,snicker)"

The only way he could get anything done would be to establish a dictatorship.

All his great plans would require the cooperation of Congress, and I really don't see that one happening.

Snowman92D
08-20-2012, 10:31
You have to expect stoners to be sad and out of sorts today. One of their idols of Nirvana has passed on to his Great Reward.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/scott-mckenzie-singer-san-francisco-wear-flowers-hair-dead-73-article-1.1140153

PawDog
08-20-2012, 10:36
:dunno:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/bf/bf/bfbf18963753f38bfee0b1115de8f75d.JPG

countrygun
08-20-2012, 10:39
:dunno:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/bf/bf/bfbf18963753f38bfee0b1115de8f75d.JPG


"That pic was photo shopped by an Israeli!"

Snowman92D
08-20-2012, 10:45
Hitler was able to target the jews, partially because of general anti-semitism but also as a matter of class warfare in a time of economic unrest. "crystal night" to put it in English, was largely aimed at Jewish businesses.

Jews were "the filthy rich that were hoarding wealth and keeping it from the people"

Sound familiar????

"1%ers"????

Obama is tacitly approving the occupy movement and himself is blaming the rich and even small businesses who "didn't build that themselves"

That is why I say that anyone not voting to remove him from office is duplicitous.

Um...sounds like the Nazi's were actually leftists. Oh...wait, they were. :whistling:

Bullwinkle J Moose
08-20-2012, 11:52
The Ronulan cult of personality has a closer resemblance to the followers of Hitler or Mao than any portion of the GOP base does. But I don't expect Paulbots to see that considering where their heads are stuck.
:laughabove:

Here's your problem... :crazy::tinfoil:


Are you really that frightened of our Constitution or are you a government plant here for the express purpose of spin doctoring, preserving the status quo and ridiculing those who still remember and love freedom?

G29Reload
08-20-2012, 11:57
The prime fail in your thread is that the Nazi's scapegoats were entire countries, races and religions. Comparing a crackpot like BHO and todays situation to the NAzi's is an insult to the memories of the millions who died. Even the racism and antisemitic remarks of Ronulans and their abandon Israel philosophy doesnt come close to what happened in Germany in the 30s, where they were also approving of a psychotic strongman because they were likewise terrified of the Soviets.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 12:02
:laughabove:

Here's your problem... :crazy::tinfoil:


Are you really that frightened of our Constitution or are you a government plant here for the express purpose of spin doctoring, preserving the status quo and ridiculing those who still remember and love freedom?


I've looked all over www.usajobs.gov, and have been unable to find a single position for posting here on glocktalk. I'm not sure such a position exists.

I think this is a fantasy of some of those that have invested a little too much in tinfoil. :tinfoil:

countrygun
08-20-2012, 12:16
It doesn't take a particular race to target and people forget the saying "follow the money" it just happened, in Germany, that a large portion of the wealth was in the hands of folks of a race that were easily targeted. In reality the latent anti-semetism was a happy coincidence for the Nazis, it made the targeting easier.

When we (cough,cough) "Teach History" today, all that is really talked about from that era is the fate of the Jews as if it were the loci for the war. It was not, nor was the internment of the Jews the highpoint of Nazism. The story of the rise of "National Socialism" (the Nazi movement) is carefully overlooked.

Hitler was put in power by a German socialist machine, a machine that promised to redistribute the wealth and put it back in the hands of the "people who had really earned it". A system that promised to look after the people from cradle to grave, and a system that the people let take power based on those promises.

As long as some folks can say "Well, they aren't interning Jews and they don't wear brown shirts, so it's not the same thing" I guess we are safe from that kind of thing.

The problem at the moment in America should be obvious, but there are two groups that claim to stand in opposition to the current Administration and their promises. one of these groups is foucused on a single leader and a fixed ideology while the other has been flexible enough to support the candidate selected by the primary of their Party. These people have no stars in their eyes, they are pragmatic and do not expect this candidate to fix everything and will not give him a blank check to do it with.They do not expect miracles, they are not fanatics. They are rational people who, for the most part, didn't believe in the cult of personality and the promised "hope and change" and they are not going to fall in line with another cult of personality that promises to fix everything with a different panacea. They do not view Romney as a Messiah as do either the Obama fans viewed him last time, or the Paul fans do with him. They are a pragmatic bunch that are very leery of any extremist claims no matter what is promised.

G29Reload
08-20-2012, 12:26
The US is going the exact same direction as Nazi Germany did during the late 1920's and 1930's.

Hitler's National Socialist Party was the winning team. Go team...

Coming from a RP supporter with all the anti semitic horsepoop that came out of that campaign with the anti-israel, pro-iran statements, we have a new definition for irony.

:upeyes:

barbedwiresmile
08-20-2012, 12:30
Present day America and Nazi Germany are actually quite dissimilar.

There was an enormity of political intensity and diversity in the Weimar republic, with political street battle occurring on a regular basis: fascists, communists, national socialists, monarchists, etc.

In the United States today, there is a virtual absence of political choice ---- if you oppose foreign interventionism, NDAA, the national security state, FRB, progressive wage taxation, deficit spending, entitlements, etc, who do you vote for?

If anything, the comparison of immediate-pre-Nazi Germany and modern-day USA is noteworthy if only to highlight the homogenization of political thought in the United States, and the overall lack of political intensity - let alone willingness to challenge the state overtly. But anyone paying attention knew that already.

Bullwinkle J Moose
08-20-2012, 12:45
I've looked all over www.usajobs.gov, and have been unable to find a single position for posting here on glocktalk. I'm not sure such a position exists.

I think this is a fantasy of some of those that have invested a little too much in tinfoil. :tinfoil:

OK, so if your suspicion is correct, freedom scares the living crap out of him and he is a free lance shill.

The only certain thing one can know about our government is that there is more to it that we do not know than we do know.

G19G20
08-20-2012, 13:10
The prime fail in your thread is that the Nazi's scapegoats were entire countries, races and religions.

:upeyes:
I don't see any of that going on in this country today. Are you for real? We're invading and bombing countries left and right, all of which practice predominantly the same religion, singling out people of that religion at home, all in the name of keeping us safe from said religion. Nope, no parallels there. /sarc


Comparing a crackpot like BHO and todays situation to the NAzi's is an insult to the memories of the millions who died.

I wasn't referring to any particular president or candidate with my commentary. Whether you choose to make it about one says more about you than it does about me.


Even the racism and antisemitic remarks of Ronulans and their abandon Israel philosophy doesnt come close to what happened in Germany in the 30s, where they were also approving of a psychotic strongman because they were likewise terrified of the Soviets.

Couldn't resist name-calling, eh? You're definitely one of the type of people that my post was talking about as being part of the problem.

G19G20
08-20-2012, 13:12
As someone in majored in history and studied the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany extensively, I have to say there are parallels to the fascist movement that swept through Europe.

Does that mean its exactly the same? No, not at all, but there are many similarities.

As for wanting a dictator, remember that Fascism is a progressive liberal intellectual movement based on the idea of a benevolent dictator.

Listen to the pro Obama crowd sometime- Michael Moore for example comes on Bill Mahrs show saying Obama needs to jut sign executive orders and bypass congress; Obama himself said much the same thing. The LOVE the idea of dictator.

The parallels of a worldwide economic slowdown, high national debt, playing up race divisions etc. - there's soooo many similarities.

I like your positive outlook and hope you are correct.

Thank you for recognizing the merits of my post.

"History doesnt repeat itself but it does resemble itself." - Mark Twain

G19G20
08-20-2012, 13:19
:dunno:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/bf/bf/bfbf18963753f38bfee0b1115de8f75d.JPG

Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that few conservatives, particularly southerners, are going to be offended by such a picture. But hey, how about we keep the posts related to the topic of the thread instead of turning it into another opportunity to bash a particular candidate that you disagree with? I see most of the neo-con peanut gallery I referred to was predictable in avoiding the content on my post and going right back to character attacks and unrelated content that only proves my point. You don't WANT to talk about the issues. You just want someone to blame.

This will be my last post on this thread. I've made my point but trying to bring discourse to a higher level here is proving a waste of time. Look in the mirror and realize that you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Goaltender66
08-20-2012, 13:24
This will be my last post on this thread. I've made my point but trying to bring discourse to a higher level here is proving a waste of time. Look in the mirror and realize that you are part of the problem, not the solution.
So as part of your attempt to "bring discourse to a higher level" you post a rant calling "many" GTPI posters Nazis?

I'd say at this point you've forfeited the courtesy of being taken seriously by beclowning yourself in such a manner.

One thing that's interesting though...you've done a bang-up job in uniting Left *and* Right into agreeing that on any given subject, you're probably 180 degrees away from reality.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 13:37
OK, so if your suspicion is correct, freedom scares the living crap out of him and he is a free lance shill.

The only certain thing one can know about our government is that there is more to it that we do not know than we do know.

I do sincerely doubt that the .gov would waste time here trolling GTPI. Television is a much better medium for changing attitudes.
Surveillance? Maybe? That would make sense, pushing a specific candidate would be a violation of the hatch act.

I think there is fear involved here, but not him fearing the constitution. It seems to me you fear the .gov.

Bren
08-20-2012, 13:57
:dunno:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/bf/bf/bfbf18963753f38bfee0b1115de8f75d.JPG

Excellent. If he was the Republican candidate, I'd vote for him just for that picture and having some guts. I'd certainly prefer him to some chicken*%^ yankee crying about the flag.

G26S239
08-20-2012, 14:02
OK, so if your suspicion is correct, freedom scares the living crap out of him and he is a free lance shill.

The only certain thing one can know about our government is that there is more to it that we do not know than we do know.
So not falling for the Ronulan cult of personality = fear of freedom? :upeyes: My point stands about Ronulans being a cult of personality. You are a good example. You distrust the federal government but the savior you follow is a career politician since the 1970s. Yeah that makes sense.

wjv
08-20-2012, 14:10
So it's OK to come here and accuse us all of being NAZIS? Typical leftist tactic. .

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 14:14
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that few conservatives, particularly southerners, are going to be offended by such a picture. But hey, how about we keep the posts related to the topic of the thread instead of turning it into another opportunity to bash a particular candidate that you disagree with? I see most of the neo-con peanut gallery I referred to was predictable in avoiding the content on my post and going right back to character attacks and unrelated content that only proves my point. You don't WANT to talk about the issues. You just want someone to blame.

This will be my last post on this thread. I've made my point but trying to bring discourse to a higher level here is proving a waste of time. Look in the mirror and realize that you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Your assertion that Hitler was elected to power was factually incorrect. Hence your entire line of reasoning was rendered broken and stupid.

Get your facts straight before you start another thread.

wjv
08-20-2012, 14:15
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that few conservatives, particularly southerners, are going to be offended by such a picture.

Maybe because:

- Many of us actually know what the civil war was about
- Many of us know that the Emancipation Proclamation freed only slaves in the south, but allowed slave ownership to continue in the north.
- Many of us know post-civil war, how blacks were treated in the south vs the north
- Many of us know which party endorsed civil rights and which party was the party of the Klan. .
- Many of us know you can't deny history just by sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you"

JBnTX
08-20-2012, 14:24
So it's OK to come here and accuse us all of being NAZIS? Typical leftist tactic. .


Have you ever noticed how the ones who confess to know so much about history and the founding fathers, always have nothing good to say about this country?

The majority of posts from these "experts" either always compare this country to Nazi Germany, predict inevitable total destruction, or blame the United States for all that's wrong in this world.

Something just ain't right about all this.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 14:42
Have you ever noticed how the ones who confess to know so much about history and the founding fathers, always have nothing good to say about this country?

The majority of posts from these "experts" either always compare this country to Nazi Germany, predict inevitable total destruction, or blame the United States for all that's wrong in this world.

Something just ain't right about all this.

The funny thing about all those who usually state the will of the founders as if it were homogenous. They fought like hell during their time, disagreed with each other, and often with themselves. Many of them had evolving opinions on a lot of issues.

G19G20
08-20-2012, 14:51
Your assertion that Hitler was elected to power was factually incorrect. Hence your entire line of reasoning was rendered broken and stupid.

Get your facts straight before you start another thread.

True that he was originally appointed to the German government as a cabinet member, as Chancellor, but a subsequent election (or referendum if you wish to get technical) after Hindenburg's death provided him ~85% approval to remain Fuhrer. Their exact machinations of the election process are different than ours but the fact remains that he was approved by the German people.

Just had to clear that up since you didn't make any attempt to back up your argument, instead just chose to say I'm wrong and hope people wouldn't do any research into it. Back to lurk mode.

JBnTX
08-20-2012, 15:03
Back to lurk mode.


Promise?

..

Hoss
08-20-2012, 15:17
Get rid of current administration, say goodbye to problem.

countrygun
08-20-2012, 15:18
Many posters here and across the country want a dictator and are working to fulfill Hitler's vow in modern day America:

"At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense, I tell you that the Nazi movement will go on for 1,000 years!”

Indeed, Chancellor. Indeed. The parallels are hard to ignore. People simply want to be told what to do and avoid taking responsibility for their own actions, particularly when they can consider themselves part of the "winning team", instead of part of the problem. Even if the winning team is going to lead them into ruin just like the other team. Hitler's National Socialist Party was the winning team. Go team...




http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/Funnyinthehead.png

Goaltender66
08-20-2012, 15:21
Just had to clear that up since you didn't make any attempt to back up your argument, instead just chose to say I'm wrong and hope people wouldn't do any research into it. Back to lurk mode.

As opposed to the intellectually honest method of tossing out a bomb and then declaring the ensuing firestorm of criticism beneath your effort to address.

This further cements your reputation as a very silly person.

rgregoryb
08-20-2012, 15:27
who, oh who, will save us from this slide into the 4th Reich?


Ron Paul perhaps?

nah...............

Goaltender66
08-20-2012, 15:29
who, oh who, will save us from this slide into the 4th Reich?


Ron Paul perhaps?

nah...............

Isn't he the guy who counts Stormfront as some of his more fervent supporters? Isn't he the guy who wants to abandon Israel?

Kind of odd to be called a Nazi by an apostle of such a fellow.

JBnTX
08-20-2012, 15:32
who, oh who, will save us from this slide into the 4th Reich?


Ron Paul perhaps?

nah...............


He's back in lurk mode.
He can't hear you.


..

countrygun
08-20-2012, 15:43
He's back in lurk mode.
He can't hear you.


..


Maybe a little:notlistening:


because he is:miff:

that people aren't buying his :bunny: approach

and his:notworthy: of Ron Paul

and no one is :violin: for him.

Blast
08-20-2012, 15:43
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/b86ae84f-318f-4a5c-a0f1-b8f3b63efc31.gif

rgregoryb
08-20-2012, 15:52
He's back in lurk mode.
He can't hear you.


..

lurk mode:
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4Mzg3OTgxNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTM0MDgxOA@@._V1._SY314_CR99,0,214,314_.jpg

"I hear nothing"

GAFinch
08-20-2012, 16:13
Ach mein Gott...

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 16:19
True that he was originally appointed to the German government as a cabinet member, as Chancellor, but a subsequent election (or referendum if you wish to get technical) after Hindenburg's death provided him ~85% approval to remain Fuhrer. Their exact machinations of the election process are different than ours but the fact remains that he was approved by the German people.

Just had to clear that up since you didn't make any attempt to back up your argument, instead just chose to say I'm wrong and hope people wouldn't do any research into it. Back to lurk mode.

Lurk on this. I guess I can't expect you to follow a link, so I'll post an excerpt.

When Hitler was appointed in January 1933, Germany was a democracy. Germany had fair elections; nobody had their right to vote abused; there were numerous political parties you could vote for etc. To pass a law, the Reichstag had to agree to it after a bill went through the normal processes of discussion, arguments etc. Within the Reichstag of January 1933, over 50% of those who held seats were against the Nazi Party. Therefore it would have been very unlikely for Hitler to have got passed into law what he wanted. . . .

Hitler had promised a general election for March 1933. . . . One week before the election was due to take place, the Reichstag building burned down. Hitler immediately declared that it was the signal for a communist takeover of the nation. Hitler knew that if he was to convince President Hindenburg to give him emergency powers – as stated in the HYPERLINK “http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weicons.htm”Weimar HYPERLINK “http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weicons.htm” Constitution – he had to play on the old president’s fear of communism. What better than to convince him that the communists were about to take over the nation by force?

A known communist – Marianus van der Lubbe – was caught near the Reichstag building immediately after the fire had started. Those that arrested him – Nazi officials – claimed that Lubbe confessed to them that the fire was a signal to other communists to start the revolution to overthrow democracy in the country. Matches were allegedly found on van der Lubbe and those who arrested him claimed that he smelt of petrol.

Hitler asked Hindenburg to grant him emergency powers in view of the ‘communist takeover’. Using the constitution, Hindenburg agreed to pass the Law for the Protection of the People and the State.

This law gave Hitler what he wanted — a ban on the Communists and Socialists taking part in an election campaign. The leaders from both parties were arrested and their newspapers were shut down. To ‘keep the peace’ and maintain law and order, the HYPERLINK “http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi_police_state.htm” SA (the Brown Shirts) roamed the streets beating up those who openly opposed Hitler.

The election took place in March — though Hitler was convinced it would be the last. Hitler did not get the number of votes he wanted but he did get enough to get over a 50% majority in the Reichstag. . . .

After the burning down of the Reichstag, politicians had nowhere to meet. The Kroll Opera House in Berlin was chosen. This was a relatively small round building – perfect for meetings. On March 23rd, elected officials were due to meet to discuss and vote on Hitler’s Enabling Law.

As politicians neared the building, they found it surrounded by SS and SA thugs who tried to ensure that only Nazi or Nationalist politicians [in coalition with the Nazis] got into the building. The vote for this law was crucial as it gave Hitler a vast amount of power. The law basically stated that any bill only needed Hitler’s signature and within 24 hours that bill would become law in Germany. With only Nazis and other right wing politicians inside the Kroll Opera House, the bill was quickly passed into law. The act gave Hitler what he wanted — dictatorial power. What he wanted would become law in Germany within 24 hours of his signature being put on paper.

On 7th April 1933, Nazi officials were put in charge of all local government in the provinces.

On May 2nd 1933, trades unions were abolished, their funds taken and their leaders put in prison. The workers were given a May Day holiday in return.

On July 14th 1933, a law was passed making it illegal to form a new political party. It also made the Nazi Party the only legal political party in Germany.

http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/what-hitler-was-not-elected/


Hitler's government issued a law providing that upon Hindenburg's death (which occurred in August 1934) merging the offices of President and Chancellor in Hitler's person.[1] However, Hitler now styled himself only Führer und Reichskanzler ("Leader and Chancellor"), not using the title of Reichspräsident. The law was "approved" by a staged referendum on 19 August. (http://www.ask.com/wiki/President_of_Germany_%281919%E2%80%931945%29)


Did you ever take a history class that you passed?

You are so wrong so often, and yet so sure of yourself. Thanks, we all need a laugh now and then.

Your entire premise is based on an error in your perception of facts. The fact is, the way that Hitler rose to power, is not unlike what you are claiming to attempt, to subvert the will of the people in favor of your own "Great Leader".

http://i.qkme.me/35zwk7.jpg


You are the one proposing to install your "Great Leader", against the will of the people, and you cannot even see the similarities.

That's funny right there.






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Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 16:31
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Snowman92D
08-20-2012, 16:33
Isn't he the guy who counts Stormfront as some of his more fervent supporters? Isn't he the guy who wants to abandon Israel?

Kind of odd to be called a Nazi by an apostle of such a fellow.

Careful...he'll be demanding to know why you hate the Constitution and freedom for pointing that Stormfront thing out. Doc just destroyed the entire premise for the OP's thread. He's bound to be butt-hurt now. :rofl:

countrygun
08-20-2012, 16:34
Doc,

That is it in a nutshell and why I decided I wouldn't even throw out a protest vote for Paul.

We have a President who is circumventing the Constitution by Executive Order, and up comes this group and declares they are going to subvert the electoral system "to save the Country"

That is just plain to scary.

And they have the nerve to say that Romney is just like Obama when they are the ones trying to subvert the system just like Obama.

uhm, yah, right:upeyes:

michael_b
08-20-2012, 16:35
Thank you for recognizing the merits of my post.

"History doesnt repeat itself but it does resemble itself." - Mark Twain

You're welcome! Glad someone read what I wrote, lol.

It always upsets me to see fascism portrayed as a 'right wing' movement. People do not know history. It's wasn't called the National SOCIALIST Party by accident, lol.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 16:58
You're welcome! Glad someone read what I wrote, lol.

It always upsets me to see fascism portrayed as a 'right wing' movement. People do not know history. It's wasn't called the National SOCIALIST Party by accident, lol.

Careful there. G19g20 was pretending that Hitler was popularly elected, and he was not. That changes things a bit.

His proposed fantasy is to install his "Great Leader" over the will of the people, much like the NAZIs did.

They were socialists, and left wingers, which we can all agree on. But beware the company that you keep. He has a long history of fudging facts and just not knowing the truth.

concretefuzzynuts
08-20-2012, 17:48
After seeing the William F Buckley Gore Vidal video ( a while back in this cluster $#@% of a thread) I am reminded of this video. Which, if I'm not on your ignore list, you might find amusing. 45 years later and not much has really changed.

Woody Allen vs William Buckley - FUNNY - YouTube

G29Reload
08-20-2012, 19:29
:upeyes:
I don't see any of that going on in this country today. Are you for real?

Yes, and you're quite dishonest, cause everything you posted is demonstrably false. You lie like a rug.


We're invading and bombing countries left and right,

False.

We've left Iraq. We're withdrawing from A-stan. Libya is over.

So, we're not bombing anyone, and are down to one war.

Fail.

all of which practice predominantly the same religion,

False.

We're not bombing them for their religion. We're not bombing at all, in fact.

We entered A-stan because they harbored the Taliban who gave support to alQaeda. We don't bomb people for their religion, and never have.

You dishonor your country. Though you've already demonstrated countless times that you hate it and despise it. So, dishonoring it isn't much of a stretch for you.

singling out people of that religion at home, all in the name of keeping us safe from said religion. Nope, no parallels there. /sarc

False. We're patting down 80 yr old grandmothers at the airport to observe political correctness and "profiling" is an epithet that can get a cop suspended for civil rights violations. Completely the opposite.

So, your entire post is a fabrication and a lie. A deliberate troll and obviously meant to cause trouble. You may have set the record for most dishonest post ever.

michael_b
08-20-2012, 19:36
Careful there. G19g20 was pretending that Hitler was popularly elected, and he was not. That changes things a bit.

His proposed fantasy is to install his "Great Leader" over the will of the people, much like the NAZIs did.

They were socialists, and left wingers, which we can all agree on. But beware the company that you keep. He has a long history of fudging facts and just not knowing the truth.

Thanks for the tip Doc ;-)

Oh I agree, I that little paper hanging ********* knew how to weasel his way in behind the scenes.

Fantastic public speaker though...



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2

countrygun
08-20-2012, 19:39
So, your entire post is a fabrication and a lie. A deliberate troll and obviously meant to cause trouble. You may have set the record for most dishonest post ever.


You know when you break it down as well as you did, he did manage to throw an awful lot of false claims, inferring that we were picking on poor misunderstood muslims.

Did you notice that ?

short temper

short on facts about America's political system

short on facts about the history of Europe and the rise of Hitler.

Meeting Goodwins law in the thread title


Hmmmm

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 19:50
You know when you break it down as well as you did, he did manage to throw an awful lot of false claims, inferring that we were picking on poor misunderstood muslims.

Did you notice that ?

short temper

short on facts about America's political system

short on facts about the history of Europe and the rise of Hitler.

Meeting Goodwins law in the thread title


Hmmmm

dirka dirka mohammed dirka dirka Ron Paul dirka jihad??????

Hmmmm could be. http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2007/355/1/d/_sherlock__revision_by_Mrichston.gif

CanMan
08-20-2012, 20:01
Godwin's law.


A vote for Paul is a vote for Obama! Simple.

GAFinch
08-20-2012, 20:02
For anyone debating whether to vote Republican or Libertarian. Go back and read OP's posts on this thread and on the Chesterfield thread. Pretend he didn't have an avatar or signature line. Would you honestly be able to tell whether he's a Ron Paul acolyte or a Michael Moore acolyte? Same goes for the nutcase subject of the Chesterfield thread.

Cavalry Doc
08-20-2012, 20:08
For anyone debating whether to vote Republican or Libertarian. Go back and read OP's posts on this thread and on the Chesterfield thread. Pretend he didn't have an avatar or signature line. Would you honestly be able to tell whether he's a Ron Paul acolyte or a Michael Moore acolyte? Same goes for the nutcase subject of the Chesterfield thread.




Good observation.

yellowhand
08-20-2012, 20:48
As my old daddy, G-d bless his memory, would fondly say from time to time, knocking some dumb crazy fool dead on his ass was the only way to get through to some people!
The USA is not, in any respect, even close to anything Nazi in any way, shape, or manner! On our worst day!
I've read, listen, and watched Ron Paul over these past 20 + years.
The man can never be elected to the office of President, not now, not in a million years.
Anyone who does vote for him, only votes for the current office holder.
Anyone who stays at home and does not vote, votes only for the current office holder.
Refering to Americans in any fashion as Nazi's is not a good or wise thing.
In 13 years, in uniform serving in West Germany, I walked the streets, rode the trains, and visited every camp that I could enter. 60 years later, after a warm rain, you can still smell the dead at those locations.
Give the "nazi" garbage a rest, it just shows ignorance.:steamed:

countrygun
08-20-2012, 21:09
For anyone debating whether to vote Republican or Libertarian. Go back and read OP's posts on this thread and on the Chesterfield thread. Pretend he didn't have an avatar or signature line. Would you honestly be able to tell whether he's a Ron Paul acolyte or a Michael Moore acolyte? Same goes for the nutcase subject of the Chesterfield thread.


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/Aclue.png

happyguy
08-21-2012, 05:13
You have to expect stoners to be sad and out of sorts today. One of their idols of Nirvana has passed on to his Great Reward.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/scott-mckenzie-singer-san-francisco-wear-flowers-hair-dead-73-article-1.1140153

Damn! That was a great song!

http://youtu.be/mJ_WG3d3GL8

G29Reload
08-21-2012, 11:05
dirka dirka mohammed dirka dirka Ron Paul dirka jihad??????

Hmmmm could be.

:rofl:

Just the thought that somewhere in TX, a retired full bird colonel is sittin' there watching south park is hysterical. maybe in his underwear, drinkin a beer, scratching his belly while the dog cuts a fart, laughing riotously....:rofl:

QNman
08-21-2012, 11:21
It doesn't take a particular race to target and people forget the saying "follow the money" it just happened, in Germany, that a large portion of the wealth was in the hands of folks of a race that were easily targeted. In reality the latent anti-semetism was a happy coincidence for the Nazis, it made the targeting easier.

When we (cough,cough) "Teach History" today, all that is really talked about from that era is the fate of the Jews as if it were the loci for the war. It was not, nor was the internment of the Jews the highpoint of Nazism. The story of the rise of "National Socialism" (the Nazi movement) is carefully overlooked.

Hitler was put in power by a German socialist machine, a machine that promised to redistribute the wealth and put it back in the hands of the "people who had really earned it". A system that promised to look after the people from cradle to grave, and a system that the people let take power based on those promises.

As long as some folks can say "Well, they aren't interning Jews and they don't wear brown shirts, so it's not the same thing" I guess we are safe from that kind of thing.

The problem at the moment in America should be obvious, but there are two groups that claim to stand in opposition to the current Administration and their promises. one of these groups is foucused on a single leader and a fixed ideology while the other has been flexible enough to support the candidate selected by the primary of their Party. These people have no stars in their eyes, they are pragmatic and do not expect this candidate to fix everything and will not give him a blank check to do it with.They do not expect miracles, they are not fanatics. They are rational people who, for the most part, didn't believe in the cult of personality and the promised "hope and change" and they are not going to fall in line with another cult of personality that promises to fix everything with a different panacea. They do not view Romney as a Messiah as do either the Obama fans viewed him last time, or the Paul fans do with him. They are a pragmatic bunch that are very leery of any extremist claims no matter what is promised.


Very well put, sir. I wasn't going to participate in this ridiculous rant by Paulbot #2739, but found your post very well stated.

Cavalry Doc
08-21-2012, 11:38
:rofl:

Just the thought that somewhere in TX, a retired full bird colonel is sittin' there watching south park is hysterical. maybe in his underwear, drinkin a beer, scratching his belly while the dog cuts a fart, laughing riotously....:rofl:

Who would that be?

G29Reload
08-21-2012, 12:02
Who would that be?

:supergrin:

Snowman92D
08-21-2012, 12:07
Damn! That was a great song!

http://youtu.be/mJ_WG3d3GL8

Dang...with that Jesus robe and sandals he's wearing, I almost mistook him for Ron Paul. :cool:

nursetim
08-21-2012, 15:00
JBinTX, how do you define free? I'm curious. I watched a show on this one time and I was shocked at how little freedom we had back then and it has gotten worse now. I'm not trolling, just interested.

JBnTX
08-21-2012, 15:44
JBinTX, how do you define free? I'm curious. I watched a show on this one time and I was shocked at how little freedom we had back then and it has gotten worse now. I'm not trolling, just interested.


Sorry, but I'm not playing this game.

You live in the freest country on the planet.
If you can't see that, then that's your fault.

Nobody should have to explain it to you.

nursetim
08-21-2012, 16:05
It's not a game. Again I'm not trying to trick you into anything, just an honest exchange of ideas. Are you a liberal or a woman? Your last post sounds like my wife when she is mad at me and I ask her what I did and she replies "if you don't know I'm certainly not going to tell you" insert Thai accent.

Cavalry Doc
08-21-2012, 16:40
:supergrin:

:headscratch:

QNman
08-21-2012, 17:51
:headscratch:

(I think he is referring to you, Doc). :supergrin:

countrygun
08-21-2012, 18:02
(I think he is referring to you, Doc). :supergrin:


Hey, Doc. give 'em a,

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/PHHHHT.png



"PFFFFFT" and fart in their general direction.

:supergrin:

QNman
08-21-2012, 18:45
Hey, Doc. give 'em a,

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/PHHHHT.png



"PFFFFFT" and fart in their general direction.

:supergrin:

I'M not saying that... he may be older than I am, but I'd wager not much. :supergrin:

Cavalry Doc
08-21-2012, 19:52
(I think he is referring to you, Doc). :supergrin:

Really, but he said:

:rofl:

Just the thought that somewhere in TX, a retired full bird colonel is sittin' there watching south park is hysterical. maybe in his underwear, drinkin a beer, scratching his belly while the dog cuts a fart, laughing riotously....:rofl:

If he thinks he's referring to me, he's not been very observant. A gold oak leaf cluster is the insignia of a Major, a "full bird colonel" is a silver eagle. Last full episode of southpark I watched, was at Camp Liberty in Iraq in 2005. I was wearing a shirt and tie at work when I read his post.

Not sure what to make of all that?? Has he taken up drinking in the morning, or am I missing some sort of joke?
:dunno:

G29Reload
08-21-2012, 20:33
Really, but he said:



If he thinks he's referring to me, he's not been very observant. A gold oak leaf cluster is the insignia of a Major, a "full bird colonel" is a silver eagle. Last full episode of southpark I watched, was at Camp Liberty in Iraq in 2005. I was wearing a shirt and tie at work when I read his post.

Not sure what to make of all that?? Has he taken up drinking in the morning, or am I missing some sort of joke?
:dunno:


oops I should have noted correct rank. Major. Which is better since a Major can order a colonel around.

Just amusing that you know South Park. I extrapolated a little. Don't go all dirka dirka jihad on me. :supergrin:

Cavalry Doc
08-21-2012, 20:40
oops I should have noted correct rank. Major. Which is better since a Major can order a colonel around.

Just amusing that you know South Park. I extrapolated a little. Don't go all dirka dirka jihad on me. :supergrin:

I'm just trying to figure you out at the moment. Are you just being silly, or trying to poke at me?

"Full bird colonel" is two pay grades higher than Major.

You're being very weird, if you have a problem, why not just quit beating around the bush and spit it out. I watched a few seasons of southpark in Iraq, mostly because my family at home doesn't appreciate it (women, go figure), and because it was there, and I had time, a lot of it.

So far, you are coming in broken and unreadable.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/CavDoc-1.gif

G29Reload
08-21-2012, 20:57
I'm just trying to figure you out at the moment. Are you just being silly, or trying to poke at me?

Looks like I got my ranks mixed up.

No, just being silly. You come off all dignified, ex medical something of an officer rank and I found it amusing you quoting south park. Nothing more. Agree with you on most stuff lately, just poking you in the ribs.

countrygun
08-21-2012, 21:02
I don't think G29 meant any harm at all just a signal mixup. What was received wasn't exactly what was sent.

On the same wavelenght just a little fine tuning needed

Cavalry Doc
08-21-2012, 21:09
Looks like I got my ranks mixed up.

No, just being silly. You come off all dignified, ex medical something of an officer rank and I found it amusing you quoting south park. Nothing more. Agree with you on most stuff lately, just poking you in the ribs.

I'm fairly dignified, but I let my hair down once in a while, even though it is still very short by civilian standards.

Currently employed as a PA, sub-specialty internal medicine.
Retired from the Army at 38 years old, that leaves a lot of time to fill before I can quit working. I have kids that want to go to college too.

"Dirka Dirka" is from "Team America", not southpark. It was the source of a few jokes when I was in Iraq. I have seen a scene or two, but never watched the whole movie.

G29Reload
08-21-2012, 21:25
"Dirka Dirka" is from "Team America", not southpark.

Nope. Preceded that with South Park, the bin Laden episode fall 2001 that ended with UBL getting his brains blown out in the final scene. A nice little morale booster from Matt and Trey that glum fall when we all needed to see what we were imagining and hoping for.

And damn if that wasn't about how he bought it in real life.

Team America showed up in theaters here fall 2004 IIRC.

G19G20
08-22-2012, 02:26
Really, but he said:



If he thinks he's referring to me, he's not been very observant. A gold oak leaf cluster is the insignia of a Major, a "full bird colonel" is a silver eagle. Last full episode of southpark I watched, was at Camp Liberty in Iraq in 2005. I was wearing a shirt and tie at work when I read his post.

Not sure what to make of all that?? Has he taken up drinking in the morning, or am I missing some sort of joke?
:dunno:

You smokin that weed Cav?

It's Friday, you ain't got no job, and you ain't got **** to do... - YouTube

Sittin around in your skiveys is something a toker would do. G29Reload must think you puff the la.

Cavalry Doc
08-22-2012, 04:28
Nope. Preceded that with South Park, the bin Laden episode fall 2001 that ended with UBL getting his brains blown out in the final scene. A nice little morale booster from Matt and Trey that glum fall when we all needed to see what we were imagining and hoping for.

And damn if that wasn't about how he bought it in real life.

Team America showed up in theaters here fall 2004 IIRC.

If it was on southpark, I missed that episode. But I'll take your word for it.

Cavalry Doc
08-22-2012, 04:33
You smokin that weed Cav?

It's Friday, you ain't got no job, and you ain't got **** to do... - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4tbZ7xnEjk)

Sittin around in your skiveys is something a toker would do. G29Reload must think you puff the la.

Aww how cute the little fella thinks he's got jokes. Last puff of that stuff I had was back in high school. I've been working in jobs where substance abuse is frowned upon, and randomly tested for. In my adult life, my risky behaviors were limited to fast driving, a little climbing and rappelling, and a lot of deploying.

Just cause you toke don't make it mainstream.

TreverSlyFox
08-23-2012, 01:26
As long as some folks can say "Well, they aren't interning Jews and they don't wear brown shirts, so it's not the same thing" I guess we are safe from that kind of thing.



Actually, in many of the NAZI occupied countries, it wasn't Brown Shirts (Sturmabteilung), Gestapo or SS troops going door to door rounding up the Jews.

A fact not much talked about is that many of the occupied countries own Police Forces were used to do that job. Even in the British "Channel Islands", occupied in the summer of 1940 by Germany, the British "Bobbies" rounded up Jews and delivered them to the docks, loaded them on ships and sent them on their last ride to Germany.

It's just 'one" of the darker sides of WWII that people don't like to think about. A countries own police force, blindly following orders and segregating, detaining and ultimately deporting a selected segment of it's citizenry, that it was sworn to protect.

G19G20
12-22-2012, 02:53
Here, read about it from someone that lived it. History may not repeat but it sure looks familiar.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/on_the_front_lines_of_the_culture_wars/2011/04/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn-america.html#ixzz2FZTKUuMM


“Then they took our guns

“Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

“No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

“Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

“This is my eye-witness account.



Gun banning is part and parcel to totalitarianism.

Cavalry Doc
12-22-2012, 07:13
G19g20,

When are you going to realize that you are part of the problem and not the solution. IIRC, you tried to sabotage the only guy in this race that had a chance to beat Barry. You certainly didn't help him at all. You are at least as culpable as anyone else (even if slightly less than the ones that openly supported Barry) in what has come to pass.

Why all the resurrection of old threads? Nothing new to say?

MZBKA
12-22-2012, 08:27
One criterion I use to determine if an argument is a good one is to ask, "Does the argument make any comparison s to NAZI Germany?" If it does, the argument is crap.

Ruble Noon
12-22-2012, 09:02
G19g20,

When are you going to realize that you are part of the problem and not the solution. IIRC, you tried to sabotage the only guy in this race that had a chance to beat Barry. You certainly didn't help him at all. You are at least as culpable as anyone else (even if slightly less than the ones that openly supported Barry) in what has come to pass.

Why all the resurrection of old threads? Nothing new to say?

No Doc, there was one guy that had a chance to beat Barry and none of you liked him and you guys and the RNC did everything you could to paint him as a kook for speaking of freedom and the constitution.
We told you that you were betting on a plow horse in a thoroughbred race (we were right) and we offered an alternative that appealed to a wide spectrum of people, so don't blame us.

QNman
12-22-2012, 09:20
One criterion I use to determine if an argument is a good one is to ask, "Does the argument make any comparison s to NAZI Germany?" If it does, the argument is crap.

... Because ignoring an overly referenced dark chapter in history means.... What? That the lessons from that period should be lost entirely? I am immediately skeptical when anything is compared to Nazi Germany, but if the message isn't the usual hyperbole, I don't immediately dismiss it.

Cavalry Doc
12-22-2012, 09:31
No Doc, there was one guy that had a chance to beat Barry and none of you liked him and you guys and the RNC did everything you could to paint him as a kook for speaking of freedom and the constitution.
We told you that you were betting on a plow horse in a thoroughbred race (we were right) and we offered an alternative that appealed to a wide spectrum of people, so don't blame us.

It's been a little over a month now, who came in second again?

It's not any one person, it's the group that needs to be convinced. And that is the responsibility of the candidate and his campaign.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one running had a chance to beat barrackaclaus.

G19G20
12-23-2012, 14:16
G19g20,

When are you going to realize that you are part of the problem and not the solution. IIRC, you tried to sabotage the only guy in this race that had a chance to beat Barry. You certainly didn't help him at all. You are at least as culpable as anyone else (even if slightly less than the ones that openly supported Barry) in what has come to pass.


I don't help those that sabotage me, either. Do you? Anyway, you're deflecting the thread back to particular candidates, which I never once brought up in the thread in the first place. Take the thread for what you will but don't be surprised when I bump it up everytime another similarity to the rise of third reich falls into place. Gun banning is just the next step.


Why all the resurrection of old threads? Nothing new to say?

"I told you so" just doesn't cut it sometimes and that can only be posted so many times. Instead, let's go ahead and review history and see if things are falling into place as predicted so maybe we can head it off.

Cavalry Doc
12-23-2012, 15:40
I don't help those that sabotage me, either. Do you? Anyway, you're deflecting the thread back to particular candidates, which I never once brought up in the thread in the first place. Take the thread for what you will but don't be surprised when I bump it up everytime another similarity to the rise of third reich falls into place. Gun banning is just the next step.



"I told you so" just doesn't cut it sometimes and that can only be posted so many times. Instead, let's go ahead and review history and see if things are falling into place as predicted so maybe we can head it off.

Your powers of prediction are well known, and markedly lacking to even include you in the discussion.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/PaulbotG19G20.jpg



We all know why you are resurrecting old threads. I was just being polite.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/funny-animated-gif-004.gif

countrygun
12-23-2012, 16:24
One criterion I use to determine if an argument is a good one is to ask, "Does the argument make any comparison s to NAZI Germany?" If it does, the argument is crap.

So is anything about history, the education systems has been working to train a couple of generations to think so.

Just like it used to "McCarthyism" and then history showed and the Russians admitted that McCarthy had been very right about many things. But the sheep trained to ignore history miss the lesson just as they have been trained to.

"Any Comparison" ? yes there is the open mind of the true intellectual.

G29Reload
12-23-2012, 17:37
Indeed, Chancellor. Indeed. The parallels are hard to ignore.

actually this post should be easy to ignore for all its ignorance.

Germany wanted a strongman due to the influence of external threats, name the Russians and reds/communism. The other topics were played upon for domestic consumption, true, but the overarching acceptance came from the perceived strength of opposing the Red Menace. In fact communists were made the scapegoats and excuse to grab power, like the with the Reichstag fire.

The Night of the Long knives analogy fails because that was used to purge his party internally. The same thing here would be to execute fellow dems not toeing the party line and they don't seem to have that problem.

Their are other parallels that can spark parlor room debates but Obama's brand of revolutionary is Leftist a la Saul Alinsky and not Rightists like Adolf. Same general theme but wrong direction. Adolf's take over also involved physical violence and while there are occasional stories about union thuggery, those are subalterns and Obama's method is more subversive and low key. He's into camouflaging things. The lone nod I'd give to Nazi influence is Goebbels art of the Big Lie with things often-repeated enough become truth riff that he runs with.

countrygun
12-23-2012, 19:55
actually this post should be easy to ignore for all its ignorance.

Germany wanted a strongman due to the influence of external threats, name the Russians and reds/communism. The other topics were played upon for domestic consumption, true, but the overarching acceptance came from the perceived strength of opposing the Red Menace. In fact communists were made the scapegoats and excuse to grab power, like the with the Reichstag fire.

The Night of the Long knives analogy fails because that was used to purge his party internally. The same thing here would be to execute fellow dems not toeing the party line and they don't seem to have that problem.

Their are other parallels that can spark parlor room debates but Obama's brand of revolutionary is Leftist a la Saul Alinsky and not Rightists like Adolf. Same general theme but wrong direction. Adolf's take over also involved physical violence and while there are occasional stories about union thuggery, those are subalterns and Obama's method is more subversive and low key. He's into camouflaging things. The lone nod I'd give to Nazi influence is Goebbels art of the Big Lie with things often-repeated enough become truth riff that he runs with.

Ahem,

there is a strong lesson to be learned from the hyper inflation economic policies of the Weimar republic in post WWI Germany that left the Country without a firm hand on the controls and grateful to a leader who promised to help the lower economic strata by taking (What he classified as) the unearned wealth being hoarded by a minority of the wealthy at the top (who happened to be of a particular race). He had no trouble however in being good friends with some of the wealthiest dynasties as long as they weren't of the target group and cooperated with his policies. Many of those received a lot of Government money and assistance for their cooperation, the Volkswagon and the Volt have a lot in common, with the exception of one working and one not. There were also the shovel ready projects, like the Autobahn that stimulated the German economy.

series1811
12-24-2012, 07:43
Godwin's law.

I hate Nazis.

Especially Illinois Nazis.

:supergrin:

G19G20
04-21-2013, 18:52
bump

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/560095_513113298748055_258135038_n.jpg

Cavalry Doc
04-21-2013, 19:00
bump

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/560095_513113298748055_258135038_n.jpg

G19G20, quit your beating around the bush, and just go ahead and state that you wish these two guys had been allowed to continue their acts of murder for as long as they chose to do so.



You have not an ounce of pragmatism in your entire gene pool.




:upeyes:


You do have a healthy amount of anti-Americanism in your lineage though.


I sincerely hope that Karma catches up with you soon.



There is a bad guy in this image.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p158/CavalryDoc/8yearold_zps9a0e9b22.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/CavalryDoc/media/8yearold_zps9a0e9b22.jpg.html)



And yet, you choose to criticize the good guys. I hope you some day understand what you are doing now. And you cannot comprehend how foul a curse that hope is.

Good luck with your Karma.

G19G20
04-21-2013, 19:14
Howdy Cav. Hope you had a nice weekend!

--------------------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4nrkcUV_7Qk

Reminds me of:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fkqKzi2urA4/T4-lD1l2ckI/AAAAAAAAD5E/HiG6O4CRl6k/s400/Jewish+people+surrender+to+Nazis+Warsaw+Ghetto+Uprising+WW2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5dxkZdncJoY/T4-WjcnY-SI/AAAAAAAAD3U/hzOaa6A00xY/s400/Jewish+Fighers+captured+-+Warsaw+Ghetto+Uprising.jpg

countrygun
04-21-2013, 19:16
Amazing to our little myopic misanthrope the villains aren't the guys who set the bombs, killed and maimed the innocent (he has not to this point condemned them) it is the cops who caught them.

Almost as if he wanted to MAKE the issue the cops to cover for the bombers.

oh, wait, the mooselimbs are anti-Israel and he's a Paulinista, I get it now.

G19G20
04-21-2013, 19:30
After what Ive seen from the recent Dorner episode, the Boston episode, and countless other daily reports of police and political misconduct, Im much more afraid of the militarized police controlled by people that view my rights as a mere inconvenience than a couple of young guys that may or may not have dropped some bombs. We will NEVER stop crazy people from doing evil and crazy things.

Ill never understand how people on GTPI can trash the Obama administration in one sentence as criminal and untrustworthy then promptly defend that same gov't in the next sentence.

Cavalry Doc
04-21-2013, 19:35
Howdy Cav. Hope you had a nice weekend!

--------------------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4nrkcUV_7Qk

Reminds me of:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fkqKzi2urA4/T4-lD1l2ckI/AAAAAAAAD5E/HiG6O4CRl6k/s400/Jewish+people+surrender+to+Nazis+Warsaw+Ghetto+Uprising+WW2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5dxkZdncJoY/T4-WjcnY-SI/AAAAAAAAD3U/hzOaa6A00xY/s400/Jewish+Fighers+captured+-+Warsaw+Ghetto+Uprising.jpg

Oh I had a wonderful weekend.

But I'm not an America Hating POS, so I probably had a better weekend than you.

There are two foreign born murderers out there, that have either been killed or apprehended.



And yet, you choose to have a histrionic meltdown about the men that were trying to catch them. That is rather.... well... weird.

The only thing that I am wondering, is are you just a prick troll , or are you someone that I should be reporting to the authorities......

Maybe a dose of reality is needed here........

Care to offer your real perspective, or do you just want to keep trolling?

Care to offer your real perspective?



I've risked everything I am, and more to help others, more than once.

I don't think you have that in you.

G19G20
04-21-2013, 19:47
"Those who give up liberty for temporary safety.......

Oh hell why bother?

G19G20
04-21-2013, 19:54
The only thing that I am wondering, is are you just a prick troll , or are you someone that I should be reporting to the authorities......

Maybe a dose of reality is needed here........

Care to offer your real perspective, or do you just want to keep trolling?


Your threat is noted and thanks for outing yourself as a brown shirt right on a thread about the US following the lead of Nazi Germany. Your own comments are turning out to be a better example than I could ever post.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/citizen_informants.html


In 1930's Germany, the new socialist government of Adolf Hitler (NAZI National Socialist Workers' Party) began indoctrinating children in the quasi-military organization, the Hitler Youth, to inform on their parents should they overhear discussions subversive to the policies of the Leader. As the noose was tightened, local community organizers were appointed to watch their neighbors and were told to report subversive comments to the bureaucrats above them. Neighbors informed on neighbors, some for reasons of patriotism or loyalty, some from fear. A modern inquisition ensued; a terror to free thought and expression. Increasingly harsh penalties were meted out to those who dared to dissent.

The irony is just too much.

Cavalry Doc
04-21-2013, 19:57
"Those who give up liberty for temporary safety.......

Oh hell why bother?

Why not, wimp. :cool:

There were two bad guys on the loose, we caught them. One is dead and one is injured.


You are mourning their capture. We get that. And I am sure I won't be the only one pouring over your past posts trying to figure our who and what exactly you are. Your stated positions are far from "mainstream".


Eat Karma.
:supergrin:

G19G20
04-21-2013, 20:06
Keep talking so you can continue to prove my point.

IvanVic
04-21-2013, 20:16
bump

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/560095_513113298748055_258135038_n.jpg

Truth be told, if someone harbors a type of deranged mental state that has progressed to the point where they think this is a valid comparison, they are either trying to get attention on the internet (i.e., trolling), or they are suffering from a legitimate clinical illness. I mean, if you really think you're living under Nazi control, why don't you just leave the country? Nothing is stopping you.

Sam Spade
04-21-2013, 20:23
I submit that the very fact the one of our (unnamed) members hasn't been taken for a ride in a black Mercedes is in itself proof that the (unnamed) member is full of crap.

When he mysteriously disappears, then the rest of us can get concerned.

countrygun
04-21-2013, 20:26
When he mysteriously disappears, then the rest of us can get concerned.


About what?

countrygun
04-21-2013, 20:39
He may be on to something here. Compare these two photos and see how similar the hand gestures are for instance.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/AHH_zpsf3af8893.png


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/AH_zps07ab0efb.png


the similarity is just as scary as his example.

G26S239
04-21-2013, 21:23
He may be on to something here. Compare these two photos and see how similar the hand gestures are for instance.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/AHH_zpsf3af8893.png


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee518/CountryG/AH_zps07ab0efb.png


the similarity is just as scary as his example.
It's uncanny. :shocked: Would Ron Paul and his Ronulan followers have burned congress and passed an enabling act? Would they have worn ancient alien ***** sheaths while doing so? :tinfoil:

Glocksanity
04-21-2013, 21:37
The Boston bombing is just another Reichstag fire to give more power to the feds and get the sheeple to go along.

Ha ha ha. All the gun owners are being played like a fiddle in the name of security and law and order.

G19G20
04-21-2013, 22:48
Why are people posting about Ron Paul? He's retired and irrelevant to this thread.

Truth be told, if someone harbors a type of deranged mental state that has progressed to the point where they think this is a valid comparison, they are either trying to get attention on the internet (i.e., trolling), or they are suffering from a legitimate clinical illness. I mean, if you really think you're living under Nazi control, why don't you just leave the country? Nothing is stopping you.

I said we're following their lead. I didn't say we were fully there yet. Ignoring apt comparisons in the timeline when they arise makes you just part of the problem. Stop failing to see the signs of rising totalitarianism in this country.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."


--------------

It's uncanny. :shocked: Would Ron Paul and his Ronulan followers have burned congress and passed an enabling act? Would they have worn ancient alien ***** sheaths while doing so? :tinfoil:

Just curious but you wouldn't happen to support the Patriot Act and the NDAA would you? I ask because the Enabling Act is the historical equivalent of Patriot Act and NDAA. Ill assume you're just spouting talking points and have no clue what the Enabling Act actually was.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/enabling.htm

G26S239
04-21-2013, 22:59
Just curious but you wouldn't happen to support the Patriot Act and the NDAA would you? I ask because the Enabling Act is the historical equivalent of Patriot Act and NDAA. Ill assume you're just spouting talking points and have no clue what the Enabling Act actually was.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/enabling.htm
I was around when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain. :angel:

Blast
04-22-2013, 00:34
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CBfzAQgys6o/TuNu1aDI7VI/AAAAAAAAAsY/KogCKWu3axs/s1600/paranoid.jpg

Running rampant.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif

TxGun
04-22-2013, 00:44
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CBfzAQgys6o/TuNu1aDI7VI/AAAAAAAAAsY/KogCKWu3axs/s1600/paranoid.jpg

Running rampant.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif

Good call.

G19G20
04-22-2013, 02:26
Why aren't you paranoid? Strange there's no disorder for trusting too much. I just googled it.

Blast
04-22-2013, 04:35
Why aren't you paranoid? Strange there's no disorder for trusting too much. I just googled it.
There is nothing to be paranoid about. :dunno:
Some folks imaginations run wild. They create jack booted boogeymen, FEMA camps, etc.:upeyes:

Cavalry Doc
04-22-2013, 05:24
Keep talking so you can continue to prove my point.

About what side your on?

Were you more of a fan of the younger brother, or the older?


I looked, and I cannot find a single thing you have posted that was negative about the bombers or sympathetic to the victims. I can find lots that you have posted about the guys that caught them, and how much you disapprove of them.

G19G20
04-22-2013, 16:23
About what side your on?

Im on the side of the Constitution tyvm. You're a modern day brown shirt.


Were you more of a fan of the younger brother, or the older?


I looked, and I cannot find a single thing you have posted that was negative about the bombers or sympathetic to the victims. I can find lots that you have posted about the guys that caught them, and how much you disapprove of them.

Im not here to be an emotional sap and faux grieve over people I don't know or condemn people that have not yet seen a courtroom. I'll leave that kneejerk emotional stuff for you. Im interested in finding out the truth of what happened. And in the case of this particular thread, to bring attention to the similarities when they arise.

Doomed to repeat history and all that....

G26S239
04-22-2013, 16:35
About what side your on?

Were you more of a fan of the younger brother, or the older?


I looked, and I cannot find a single thing you have posted that was negative about the bombers or sympathetic to the victims. I can find lots that you have posted about the guys that caught them, and how much you disapprove of them.

Im on the side of the Constitution tyvm. You're a modern day brown shirt.



Im not here to be an emotional sap and faux grieve over people I don't know or condemn people that have not yet seen a courtroom. I'll leave that kneejerk emotional stuff for you. Im interested in finding out the truth of what happened. And in the case of this particular thread, to bring attention to the similarities when they arise.

Doomed to repeat history and all that....
You proved Cav Doc's point very well. You Alex Jones disciples are morons that have delusions of superiority. Stay smug. :wavey:

G19G20
04-22-2013, 16:39
Don't fault me for your ignorance, Mr. Enabling Act.

Kablam
04-22-2013, 16:56
oh good one...that'll get him. :upeyes:

G19G20
04-22-2013, 17:25
Get him? Wasn't aware it was my job to "get him". Is that what political discussion is to you Kablam? "Getting him"?

Cavalry Doc
04-22-2013, 19:34
Im on the side of the Constitution tyvm. You're a modern day brown shirt.



Godwin's law, again. I'm much more for the constitution than you pretend to be. But I also like to see bad guys get caught, not root for them.



Im not here to be an emotional sap and faux grieve over people I don't know or condemn people that have not yet seen a courtroom. I'll leave that kneejerk emotional stuff for you. Im interested in finding out the truth of what happened. And in the case of this particular thread, to bring attention to the similarities when they arise.


And yet you are very quick to attack anyone that wanted these guys dead or captured. You are ticked that they got caught, It's evident. And you care nothing for the victims. And you wonder why people might get the idea that you were rooting for the bombers.

You really might need to be on a watch list........


Doomed to repeat history and all that....

How would you realize it? You don't know much about history. Do you remember claiming that Hitler was elected by a majority of Germans? You don't have much of a clue here.

G19G20
04-23-2013, 03:46
Pay attention folks. What you read right above this post by Cavalry Doc is someone whose job is to threaten harm to people that disagree with, or cause disruption to, the carefully cultivated mainstream views purported by Obama and the liberal media. Brown shirts have always been around but they become more emboldened to out themselves as brown shirts when they feel comfortable enough as an established "authority" in their current environment, like GTPI. Pay attention to what Cavalry Doc is saying here.

happyguy
04-23-2013, 03:54
Pay attention folks. What you read right above this post by Cavalry Doc is someone whose job is to threaten harm to people that disagree with, or cause disruption to, the carefully cultivated mainstream views purported by Obama and the liberal media. Brown shirts have always been around but they become more emboldened to out themselves as brown shirts when they feel comfortable enough as an established "authority" in their current environment, like GTPI. Pay attention to what Cavalry Doc is saying here.

Hey Doc, how much does your new gig pay? Can I get in on the action? :rofl::rofl::wavey:

Regards,
Happyguy :)

cowboywannabe
04-23-2013, 04:58
um, the president, the state of massechusettes and all the appointees involved in the boston marathon bombing are democrats......and ironically american democrats do in fact side with nazi policies.

happyguy
04-23-2013, 05:08
So if I am a Muslime terrorist on the run all I have to do is get in G19G20's home. Then I can herd him and his family into a back bedroom and slit his wife's throat in front of him and his children. When the cops come to the door he will tell them he doesn't consent to a search because he knows I have no compunction against killing infidel children. When they leave and abandon the search I will kill them all and be on my way.

That's sick but it's what you are asking for G19G20.

G19G20 (and some others) is in denial about our enemy.

Regards,
Happyguy

cowboywannabe
04-23-2013, 05:18
So if I am a Muslime terrorist on the run all I have to do is get in G19G20's home. Then I can herd him and his family into a back bedroom and slit his wife's throat in front of him and his children. When the cops come to the door he will tell them he doesn't consent to a search because he knows I have no compunction against killing infidel children. When they leave and abandon the search I will kill them all and be on my way.

That's sick but it's what you are asking for G19G20.

G19G20 (and some others) is in denial about our enemy.

Regards,
Happyguy

their head in the sand defense is all they know.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 06:16
Pay attention folks. What you read right above this post by Cavalry Doc is someone whose job is to threaten harm to people that disagree with, or cause disruption to, the carefully cultivated mainstream views purported by Obama and the liberal media. Brown shirts have always been around but they become more emboldened to out themselves as brown shirts when they feel comfortable enough as an established "authority" in their current environment, like GTPI. Pay attention to what Cavalry Doc is saying here.

My only paying job is to provide internal medicine sub-specialty care to patients. I'm not getting any instructions from anyone to post here. Your chinstrap on that tinfoil hat is WAYYYY to tight.
It's cutting off the O2 to yer melon.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 06:20
Hey Doc, how much does your new gig pay? Can I get in on the action? :rofl::rofl::wavey:

Regards,
Happyguy :)


There is no such animal as far as I know. I doubt the pay would be near what I get working as a PA if such a position did exist.

G19G20 is blowing smoke again. He's upset I noticed his complete lack of regard for the victims and his constant allegations against the good guys, while being conspicuously silent on how despicable the bombers were.

It adds up.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 06:22
So if I am a Muslime terrorist on the run all I have to do is get in G19G20's home. Then I can herd him and his family into a back bedroom and slit his wife's throat in front of him and his children. When the cops come to the door he will tell them he doesn't consent to a search because he knows I have no compunction against killing infidel children. When they leave and abandon the search I will kill them all and be on my way.

That's sick but it's what you are asking for G19G20.

G19G20 (and some others) is in denial about our enemy.

Regards,
Happyguy

Luckily, that guy has not procreated yet, as far as we know.

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 07:02
I'm not a Ron Paul fan, but for as long as I've been alive, some cops in Massachew****s have been fans of the Luftwaffe/Mussolini combo look:

http://militaryitems.com/store/images/lw-officer-hat.jpg

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5171c132ecad045d63000009-590-442-400-/massachusetts-police-boston-manhunt.png

Just sayin'...


:whistling:

When I was a kid I would always ask my parents why the cops were wearing the enemy's uniform... Still haven't figured it out.

In those days, MA still had Registry Police (http://mmvia.homestead.com/files/herb.jpg LOL) they are defunct now; even Socialist Police States have to keep the number of cop flavors under 2000-ish.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

QNman
04-23-2013, 07:05
Pay attention folks. What you read right above this post by Cavalry Doc is someone whose job is to threaten harm to people that disagree with, or cause disruption to, the carefully cultivated mainstream views purported by Obama and the liberal media. Brown shirts have always been around but they become more emboldened to out themselves as brown shirts when they feel comfortable enough as an established "authority" in their current environment, like GTPI. Pay attention to what Cavalry Doc is saying here.

I see none of that in Docs post. Is it impossible for you to make a point without resorting to childish name-calling and imagined threats?

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 07:14
I'm not a Ron Paul fan, but for as long as I've been alive, some cops in Massachew****s have been fans of the Luftwaffe/Mussolini combo look:

http://militaryitems.com/store/images/lw-officer-hat.jpg

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5171c132ecad045d63000009-590-442-400-/massachusetts-police-boston-manhunt.png

Just sayin'...


:whistling:

When I was a kid I would always ask my parents why the cops were wearing the enemy's uniform... Still haven't figured it out.

In those days, MA still had Registry Police (http://mmvia.homestead.com/files/herb.jpg LOL) they are defunct now; even Socialist Police States have to keep the number of cop flavors under 2000-ish.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Just thinking historically. But Boston had cops long before 1939.

Any chance they had these hats or hats like them before the nazis showed up on the scene?

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 07:21
Just thinking historically. But Boston had cops long before 1939.

Any chance they had these hats or hats like them before the nazis showed up on the scene?We had Nazis long before 1939 too, but here is a 1945 Trooper hat:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeopzls/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mass-45.jpg

:upeyes:

hooligan74
04-23-2013, 08:02
Pay attention folks. What you read right above this post by Cavalry Doc is someone whose job is to threaten harm to people that disagree with, or cause disruption to, the carefully cultivated mainstream views purported by Obama and the liberal media. Brown shirts have always been around but they become more emboldened to out themselves as brown shirts when they feel comfortable enough as an established "authority" in their current environment, like GTPI. Pay attention to what Cavalry Doc is saying here.


Wow, so it's not just the "liberals" on this forum that get accused of being paid plants to "further the agenda". Equal opportunity, I suppose.

G19G20, you're a loon. This thread has been mildly entertaining, though.

:wavey:

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 08:08
We had Nazis long before 1939 too, but here is a 1945 Trooper hat:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeopzls/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mass-45.jpg

:upeyes:

Bend the sides down, and those would look very familiar.

That style of hat probably preceded the Nazi's.
I'd probably ask that there was some evidence that Boston PD was trying to emulate the Nazis before I would buy into that comparison.



True. True. And unrelated, seems to be more likely.



1920's Harley ad.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=151029489374

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 08:14
Bend the sides down, and those would look very familiar.

That style of hat probably preceded the Nazi's.
I'd probably ask that there was some evidence that Boston PD was trying to emulate the Nazis before I would buy into that comparison.



True. True. And unrelated, seems to be more likely.



1920's Harley ad.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harley-Davidson-1920s-Dealership-Pa-Police-On-Bikes-8x10-Reprint-Of-Old-Photo-/151029489374?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item232a0f1edeFirst of all, no one, except you, is talking about the Boston police.

Those are MA State Troopers.

hooligan74
04-23-2013, 08:22
Oh, my gosh! We did similar things to headgear when we were fighting the Nazis, too!

"Normally, this cap had stiffeners – a support piece behind the cap device and a wire around the inside top perimeter to maintain the cap's round shape. These kept the cap in its proper, regulation military shape and angle. However, since pilots wore headsets over their caps during flights, they would remove the wire stiffener to make headset wear more comfortable, causing the sides of the caps to become crushed. Eventually, the caps retained their floppy "crushed" look, giving the pilot who wore it the look of a seasoned veteran. The crush cap identified its wearer as an experienced pro, and was as much a part of his identity as his leather flight jacket. Army regulations authorized wear of the service cap in this manner in the Army Air Forces, although ground Army officers hated that manner of wearing the cap. Since most AAF general officers likewise wore the crushed caps, the ground Army could do nothing about it. The wear of the "50 Mission" cap is prohibited in the current USAF, since headsets are no longer worn over headgear."

You're stretching, Fred. A lot. I'm willing to bet a little research turns up a similar tradition-based reason for the MA Staties wearing their headgear like that, as well.

hooligan74
04-23-2013, 08:26
Well, well. Looky here. This took all of 15 seconds and one Google search:

http://seekonk-ma.gov/pages/SeekonkMA_Police/hg

http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-68017.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department_Highway_Patrol

I'd bet the Statie giving that press conference was, once upon a time, a motorcycle cop? Was he also wearing breeches and riding boots?

See that, no Nazi agenda necessary. Learning is fun!

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 08:29
Well, well. Looky here. This took all of 15 seconds and one Google search:

http://seekonk-ma.gov/pages/SeekonkMA_Police/hg

I'd bet the Statie giving that press conference was, once upon a time, a motorcycle cop? Was he also wearing breeches and riding boots?

See that, no Nazi agenda necessary. Learning is fun!As pointed out before, that picture I posted is of a 1945 MA State Trooper motorcycle cop.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 08:31
First of all, no one, except you, is talking about the Boston police.

Those are MA State Troopers.

Oh, well that changes everything. :rofl:

Modern Kevlar helmets are similar in design to nazi designed helmets too, lower at the back and around the ears. Do you think the US army is sympathetic to the nazis too.

I think you are reading too much into the similarity of appearance. Now, if MA police wore swastikas, there might be a point in talking about this more. If not :dunno:

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 08:33
Oh, well that changes everything. :rofl:

Modern Kevlar helmets are similar in design to nazi designed helmets too, lower at the back and around the ears. Do you think the US army is sympathetic to the nazis too.

I think you are reading too much into the similarity of appearance. Now, if MA police wore swastikas, there might be a point in talking about this more. If not :dunno:What would you say is the last time you lived in MA Doc?

hooligan74
04-23-2013, 08:43
As pointed out before, that picture I posted is of a 1945 MA State Trooper motorcycle cop.


And?

You skipped right over the 50 mission crush tradition of our very own Air Force (Army Air Corps at the time). Was that an attempt to emulate the Nazis, too?

Traditions come about for all sorts of reasons - do you have anything linking this particular tradition to the Nazis, other that your keen sense of perception?

:dunno:

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 08:53
What would you say is the last time you lived in MA Doc?

:dunno: where are we going with this. A hat has a similar shape. It likely means nothing at all.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkID7Svlty87Ym4xQH6CnBzeq3_pTKRh2svSls1_9kUiJRFLfnOApcU32NUg


Godwin's law I guess.

Nazis have little or nothing to do with the Boston bombings.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k7RYJbWgXbk/TWTwx2zagII/AAAAAAAAAKE/gBZNm_1L3p8/s1600/Red%2BHerring.gif

Let it go. No hard feelings.

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 08:54
:dunno: where are we going with this. A hat has a similar shape. It likely means nothing at all.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkID7Svlty87Ym4xQH6CnBzeq3_pTKRh2svSls1_9kUiJRFLfnOApcU32NUg


Godwin's law I guess.

Nazis have little or nothing to do with the Boston bombings.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k7RYJbWgXbk/TWTwx2zagII/AAAAAAAAAKE/gBZNm_1L3p8/s1600/Red%2BHerring.gif

Let it go. No hard feelings.I'll take that as a never. Just as I thought.

Ruble Noon
04-23-2013, 10:01
Godwin's law, again. I'm much more for the constitution than you pretend to be. But I also like to see bad guys get caught, not root for them.




And yet you are very quick to attack anyone that wanted these guys dead or captured. You are ticked that they got caught, It's evident. And you care nothing for the victims. And you wonder why people might get the idea that you were rooting for the bombers.

You really might need to be on a watch list........



How would you realize it? You don't know much about history. Do you remember claiming that Hitler was elected by a majority of Germans? You don't have much of a clue here.

Herman Goering

It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

countrygun
04-23-2013, 10:36
I knew it was happening years ago.

First they started selling Volkswagons, Hitler's "Peoples car"

But when the Military adopted the 9mm cartridge, and the police started using that Nazi round I knew it was all over.

Austrian and German pistols firing that round all over the Country?????

The Nazis have won alright.

happyguy
04-23-2013, 12:13
OMG! There's Nazi's in the Whitehouse!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/USAF_Service_Cap.jpg

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 13:07
Herman Goering

It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.


Now lets get real ruble. I've been critical of the response too. It could and should have been done better. I THINK you and i agree capturing this guy was a good thing, right? And if I had been making up the attack, you might have a point. In my past life, I was a professional warrior. When the time is right, you fight back.

That fellow has a long history of innacurate beliefs about history and a blame America first attitude, even when we are attacked, to him, it's somehow our fault.

My opinion is that he is upset the bombers got caught. If he's not, he can come on back and explain how he wasn't.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 13:15
I'll take that as a never. Just as I thought.

Fred, has your account been hacked or something? I dont remember you acting this way before.

I'm not understanding the significance of whether or not I ever lived in MA and how it relates to your assumptions about the similar appearance of hats.

Can you clear that up for me??? :dunno:

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 13:28
Fred, has your account been hacked or something? I dont remember you acting this way before.

I'm not understanding the significance of whether or not I ever lived in MA and how it relates to your assumptions about the similar appearance of hats.

Can you clear that up for me??? :dunno:No Doc, you're right. Massachew****s is the paragon of freedom. I mean WTF would someone who has actually lived there know about the place compared to say... you?

It surely is a shame that the good people of Texas don't follow Massachew****s' shining example. Perhaps you could suggest it to them?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Gundude
04-23-2013, 13:31
Is it just me or is this thread getting weird? :dunno:

hooligan74
04-23-2013, 13:48
Not just you....

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 14:39
No Doc, you're right. Massachew****s is the paragon of freedom. I mean WTF would someone who has actually lived there know about the place compared to say... you?

It surely is a shame that the good people of Texas don't follow Massachew****s' shining example. Perhaps you could suggest it to them?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I've been to several places that would MA look like a paragon of freedom by comparison, but that's beside the point. We were talking about the meaning derived by the similar appearance of hats that were around in the USA and other countries before the nazi era. Not sure how we ended up with me accidentally pouring salt into that wound you got in MA.

I kinda like Texas pretty much the way it is. It could be better, but it ain't half bad.

Having lived in Germany for 8 years and talked with many people that lived under nazi rule, I tend to treat them as their very own and unique brand of evil. I don't get the hat thing at all.

I hope you get to feeling better soon.

Alizard
04-23-2013, 14:57
Herman Goering

All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.Wow.... it's deja vu all over again. I remember a bunch of people who used to post at THIS forum once upon a time who were protesting the Iraq invasion.... mainly because they know it was all based on BS. They got shouted down, generally abused, and in a lot of cases banned from the forum....... but most of all I remember how they got attacked as being "terror lovers" because they would not "support the president" when he was going after "the terrorists who did the 9/11 attacks".

It's like old Herman Goering could see the future.......

So we "conquered" Iraq and fixed that problem.

So we shipped the terorists to Gauntanamo by the hundreds, later to learn most of them were not terrorists. We "suspended" the right to protest by confining US citizens to small areas miles away from the public areas where the politicians were.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/ACLU-Protesters-wont-stick-to-confined-spaces-during-RNC

And when the dust settled, we now have the dubious distinction of having a former president and his cabinet being convicted for war crimes.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

Looks like that policy of blindly following the leader when he claims we are "in danger" doesn't lead to such a good ending.

countrygun
04-23-2013, 15:12
Wow.... it's deja vu all over again. I remember a bunch of people who used to post at THIS forum once upon a time who were protesting the Iraq invasion.... mainly because they know it was all based on BS. They got shouted down, generally abused, and in a lot of cases banned from the forum.......

When was this???

QNman
04-23-2013, 15:17
When was this???

Well, it was still hot and heavy when I joined here in 2005, but seems to have died down around 2007-ish IIRC.

countrygun
04-23-2013, 15:20
Well, it was still hot and heavy when I joined here in 2005, but seems to have died down around 2007-ish IIRC.

Well, looking at that date I have to wonder what Alizard's screen name was back then and why the change?

QNman
04-23-2013, 15:22
Well, looking at that date I have to wonder what Alizard's screen name was back then and why the change?

:whistling: (BUSTED, Alizard...)

Alizard
04-23-2013, 15:52
When was this???
You don't recall the time when the US invaded Iraq?

That's when.

G19G20
04-23-2013, 16:03
So if I am a Muslime terrorist on the run all I have to do is get in G19G20's home. Then I can herd him and his family into a back bedroom and slit his wife's throat in front of him and his children. When the cops come to the door he will tell them he doesn't consent to a search because he knows I have no compunction against killing infidel children. When they leave and abandon the search I will kill them all and be on my way.

That's sick but it's what you are asking for G19G20.

G19G20 (and some others) is in denial about our enemy.

Regards,
Happyguy

I replied to this idiocy in the other thread where you posted the exact same text. You must have thought it was so witty that you needed to post it multiple times? This is a gun forum full of people that are capable of defending themselves. This is not DU, a forum full of people that cower and wait for the policeman to come save them.

concretefuzzynuts
04-23-2013, 16:03
1200feathers

G19G20
04-23-2013, 16:09
I see none of that in Docs post. Is it impossible for you to make a point without resorting to childish name-calling and imagined threats?

Maybe you should reread the posts where Cav suggested he "report me" to the authorities and pour over my background and other bloviation for the treasonous act of not approaching this topic in a manner he finds emotional enough for his liking or as the Administration and liberal media demands.

The irony is that my OP on this thread lamented the rise of this sort of "snitching" and desire to silence dissent and Cav continues to prove my point even months later on this very same thread. I thought conservatives were supposed to be the logical ones while the liberals get all twisted up in emotional reactions?

countrygun
04-23-2013, 16:17
You don't recall the time when the US invaded Iraq?

That's when.

And your screen name was?????

G19G20
04-23-2013, 16:18
Wow, so it's not just the "liberals" on this forum that get accused of being paid plants to "further the agenda". Equal opportunity, I suppose.

Who said anything about being paid? Brown shirts weren't paid either. They were brainwashed into snitching on dissenters to what the Administration wanted. May as well just yell "Im calling my Big Brother on you!"


G19G20, you're a loon. This thread has been mildly entertaining, though.

:wavey:You're entitled to your opinion and Im glad pointing out creeping totalitarianism tickles your funny bone. You sure are a patriot!

Im done with this thread....for now....until the next big event that tests the rule of law in this country arises. Then it's bump time again.


I hope you [Fred] get to feeling better soon.

He would hate to have to report you for unauthorized thoughts that don't conform to his "mainstream" Administration and media endorsed viewpoints.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 16:44
....
He would hate to have to report you for unauthorized thoughts that don't conform to his "mainstream" Administration and media endorsed viewpoints.

Little Man, let Fred and I figure this out ourselves. You are not needed here.

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 16:48
:whistling: (BUSTED, Alizard...)

http://lmaotwitpics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/BUSTED.jpg

Cavalry Doc
04-23-2013, 16:49
I replied to this idiocy in the other thread where you posted the exact same text. You must have thought it was so witty that you needed to post it multiple times? This is a gun forum full of people that are capable of defending themselves. This is not DU, a forum full of people that cower and wait for the policeman to come save them.

Feelin' a bit out of place? :whistling:

happyguy
04-23-2013, 21:01
I replied to this idiocy in the other thread where you posted the exact same text. You must have thought it was so witty that you needed to post it multiple times? This is a gun forum full of people that are capable of defending themselves. This is not DU, a forum full of people that cower and wait for the policeman to come save them.

Jack? Jack Bauer? Is that you?

Too bad the entire point of the post was lost on you...twice.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Fred Hansen
04-23-2013, 23:35
I hope you get to feeling better soon.

Well looky there Doc, you correctly diagnosed the patient. I am indeed feeling heartsick.

My first post in this thread was done half-jokingly. I've always just found the goose-stepper look offensive and stupid. I've also found it offensive over the years that the state I loved as a boy has become the **** hole it is today.

I was born in the state where once upon a time on an April morning, a handful of men and boys were willing to stand in a field, and tell a contingent of the (then) most powerful military in the world that their God given rights weren't going to be taken by any man, not even the King.

In modern Massachew****s people can't wait to have the King tell them what to do, where to go, and what they can or can't have. They love it; and they love it because the King gives them a little taste of the crumbs off the tables of others. Welfare/Section 8/EBT/SSI/Disability of a thousand kinds, you name it. Half the city of Springfield is on welfare of one kind or another, and the other half staff all the public facilities like the courts/jails/hospitals/midnight basketball/etc, so that the poor darlings have someone to serve their wants (not needs) 24/7/365.

In return they all need only hand in their dignity, their personhood, and the King will decree that throughout the land all is safe, and the *******s can go back to waving their stupid ****ing foam "We're #1" fingers at the big game.

The few intrepid souls who own firearms (long guns, handguns, any guns) in MA are required to grovel before their local police chief (funny hat and all) and beg him to believe that they are indeed a good person; and should the chief wish to say no--even for no other reason than just saying no--it's too bad, so sad, no gun(s) for you. Of course Django and the boys can have all the guns they want, and even if the Russians hand Django's brother over on a Fabergé platter, MA won't bother him because that would be Islamophobic.

Funny you should bring up Germany. I served mostly on the other side of the world and in the states, but I would like to think that my small part in the Cold War at least contributed a little something to the end of it. And maybe, just maybe, a pebble or two of that Iron Curtain came down with a tiny bit of help from me. But the fact of the matter is that when I--or anyone else--travel from a free state, to MA, my constitutional rights as a citizen immediately change. Is it Checkpoint Charlie? No. Is it ****ed up? ****in' A+ it is.

But even if my part in the Cold War didn't mean a damned thing, I'm not fond of the idea that my friends and family are considered guilty by the state of MA before they grovel enough for the "Big Chief" to pronounce them not guilty--well, at least until it is time to grovel again. Quite frankly, it chaps my ass.

But if it makes you feel better to defend and support MA, go right ahead. It's my problem, not yours. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think we generally see eye-to-eye on most things. But on this one I have no love left for the state in which patriots fought and died in order to give a bunch of socialists a Monday off. Especially when 80-90% of the *******s with the day off couldn't name even one of the towns where it happened. If you gave them a hint, they would guess that Lexington is a car, and that Concord is a jelly.

Oh, and just a couple more things. The Kevlar helmet, I get that, very smart, very practical in design. Perfectly reasonable to adopt/adapt that design. The Luftwaffe look after WWII? I'll never get that in a billion years.

Cavalry Doc
04-24-2013, 04:58
Ok Fred. That makes a lot more sense now.

Just one thing, we do agree on most things. I just didn't see the connection with the hat which is powerful imagery for you, a symbol of all that has gone terribly wrong there. I get the strong feelings now.

I avoid states like Illinois, NY & MA for just such reasons. I only go to DC when dragged there. I live here for a reason. It wasn't chance, it was a choice.

Snowman92D
04-24-2013, 05:33
The Kevlar helmet, I get that, very smart, very practical in design. Perfectly reasonable to adopt/adapt that design. The Luftwaffe look after WWII? I'll never get that in a billion years.

Help me out, Fred. Didn't the Boston PD sergeants wear their sergeant's chevrons upside down...British-style....up until not that many years ago? I recall seeing that when I was in Boston a long time ago. I was told it was a old tradition, so I figured people were entitled to it if that how they do stuff.

The "crushed" police hat doesn't look Nazified or "50 missions" to me mainly because when I became a cop it was called a "traffic" hat. It was an old style hat that our traffic division officers were allowed to wear, again out of tradition, because it was what the old-time motorcycle cops wore back before anyone wore helmets when riding a "motor".

The crushed hat would stay on the motorcycle officer's head when driving at high speed, where the 8-point police hat, with the circular wire in its top would flip right off your noggin in a high wind. Same thing with the baggy riding pants and riding boots the motor cops wore.

Here's a quote from an old NYPD magazine, where the "crushed" police hat is referred to a "highway patrol" cap because its use had been pioneered by various state highway patrols and troopers on the east coast who mostly rode motorcycles in the 1930's:

The Highway Patrol cap is similar in most ways to the standard octagonal "eight-point" cap worn by all members of the NYPD, but has a longer brim and is worn with the interior wire removed from the crown. This lack of the interior wire in the cap produces a unique and immediately identifiable profile. The "crushed" look of the Highway Patrol cap is a tradition dating back to when helmets were not worn and caps had to be "crushed" onto the officer's head to prevent him from losing his hat while riding.

Not sure if they still do it, but another "old" PD with a strong tradition is Philly PD and I know that up until just a few years ago they had a "highway patrol" unit that wore the crushed "highway patrol" traffic hat along with the riding breeches and boots. For all I know they still dress that way.

Maybe it's just a sense of history, but to me the "crushed" police hats are thoroughly American. They make me think of a traffic cop sitting astraddle of a big Harley years ago, using a stop-watch to check for speeders. They look far less militarized than some of the stuff that passes for police uniforms nowadays, at least to me.

Here's the old Norman Rockwell print of the Massachusetts trooper talking to the little runaway kid at a soda bar. You can see the crushed "highway patrol" hat with the longer brim.

Fred Hansen
04-24-2013, 09:44
Help me out, Fred. Didn't the Boston PD sergeants wear their sergeant's chevrons upside down...British-style....up until not that many years ago?Sorry I can't help you out on that one. I don't recall ever seeing those, but then again, except for a couple of trips to and from Logan--I usually fly through Albany--I've only been to Boston itself a dozen or so times in my life. And in all but one of those occurred when I was a kid. Can't stand the place, makes my skin crawl.

YMMV :dunno:

Snowman92D
04-24-2013, 10:20
Can't stand the place, makes my skin crawl.

YMMV :dunno:

Well...my mileage doesn't vary by much. That's for sure.

G19G20
06-06-2013, 14:41
http://i.imgur.com/ndfZ9Bx.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/white-house-defends-its-wiretapping-millions-us-citizens

Verizon is handing over every call record to the Feds! Surely this also applies to other telecoms too. Amazing what a single hearing in a closed court (FISA) can achieve toward a totalitarian society. IRS targeting people for their political beliefs, phones tapped with secret court orders, etc.

G19G20
06-06-2013, 17:23
And WashPost drops this bombshell an hour ago. NSA tapped ISPs too. Wtf is going on??? Seems like ever since the AP records story broke the media has been exposing lots of .gov skeletons. It's strange since the Feds basically have had the liberal media in its pocket but decided to mess with them any way and now the media is biting back. Strange times we live in.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

series1811
06-10-2013, 09:09
And WashPost drops this bombshell an hour ago. NSA tapped ISPs too. Wtf is going on??? Seems like ever since the AP records story broke the media has been exposing lots of .gov skeletons. It's strange since the Feds basically have had the liberal media in its pocket but decided to mess with them any way and now the media is biting back. Strange times we live in.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

A million people had access to this data. You really think no one had spilled the beans on the programs to the American media before now? They've known the details all along, and are only printing it now, because an UK paper scooped them all on info they had been sitting on.

G19G20
09-23-2013, 04:56
Nothing to see here folks. Just a parent being manhandled and arrested by an off duty cop for asking a question in a public school meeting about the (Democrat) Common Core curriculum.

Parent Arrested from Common Core Meeting in Baltimore County MD - YouTube

Cavalry Doc
09-23-2013, 05:26
http://www.robertsrules.com/

G19G20
09-23-2013, 17:46
http://www.robertsrules.com/

Why am I not surprised that you would support this abomination against a parent that is obviously concerned (and apparently not getting any answers) that his school is implementing the communist indoctrination education system.

You know that is the point of Common Core, to dumb down everyone's children to the lowest denominator, right? Keyword is "common". And that's exactly what all kids will end up being under this system. Very common.

And concern over that leads to being assaulted by an off-duty cop moonlighting as a goon for the school board.

G19G20
12-19-2013, 19:39
bump

http://rt.com/usa/texas-warrants-future-prediction-crimes-449/


Police in Texas may now obtain a search warrant based on “a prediction of a future crime,” according to a dissenting judge on the state’s criminal appeals court.


The ruling by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals came last week, ending a controversial case in which police searched (ahem....raided) a house before obtaining a warrant but were still able to present the confiscated evidence during a trial.

G19G20
12-29-2013, 03:24
Well looky there Doc, you correctly diagnosed the patient. I am indeed feeling heartsick.

My first post in this thread was done half-jokingly. I've always just found the goose-stepper look offensive and stupid. I've also found it offensive over the years that the state I loved as a boy has become the **** hole it is today.

I was born in the state where once upon a time on an April morning, a handful of men and boys were willing to stand in a field, and tell a contingent of the (then) most powerful military in the world that their God given rights weren't going to be taken by any man, not even the King.

In modern Massachew****s people can't wait to have the King tell them what to do, where to go, and what they can or can't have. They love it; and they love it because the King gives them a little taste of the crumbs off the tables of others. Welfare/Section 8/EBT/SSI/Disability of a thousand kinds, you name it. Half the city of Springfield is on welfare of one kind or another, and the other half staff all the public facilities like the courts/jails/hospitals/midnight basketball/etc, so that the poor darlings have someone to serve their wants (not needs) 24/7/365.

In return they all need only hand in their dignity, their personhood, and the King will decree that throughout the land all is safe, and the *******s can go back to waving their stupid ****ing foam "We're #1" fingers at the big game.

The few intrepid souls who own firearms (long guns, handguns, any guns) in MA are required to grovel before their local police chief (funny hat and all) and beg him to believe that they are indeed a good person; and should the chief wish to say no--even for no other reason than just saying no--it's too bad, so sad, no gun(s) for you. Of course Django and the boys can have all the guns they want, and even if the Russians hand Django's brother over on a Fabergé platter, MA won't bother him because that would be Islamophobic.

Funny you should bring up Germany. I served mostly on the other side of the world and in the states, but I would like to think that my small part in the Cold War at least contributed a little something to the end of it. And maybe, just maybe, a pebble or two of that Iron Curtain came down with a tiny bit of help from me. But the fact of the matter is that when I--or anyone else--travel from a free state, to MA, my constitutional rights as a citizen immediately change. Is it Checkpoint Charlie? No. Is it ****ed up? ****in' A+ it is.

But even if my part in the Cold War didn't mean a damned thing, I'm not fond of the idea that my friends and family are considered guilty by the state of MA before they grovel enough for the "Big Chief" to pronounce them not guilty--well, at least until it is time to grovel again. Quite frankly, it chaps my ass.

But if it makes you feel better to defend and support MA, go right ahead. It's my problem, not yours. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think we generally see eye-to-eye on most things. But on this one I have no love left for the state in which patriots fought and died in order to give a bunch of socialists a Monday off. Especially when 80-90% of the *******s with the day off couldn't name even one of the towns where it happened. If you gave them a hint, they would guess that Lexington is a car, and that Concord is a jelly.

Oh, and just a couple more things. The Kevlar helmet, I get that, very smart, very practical in design. Perfectly reasonable to adopt/adapt that design. The Luftwaffe look after WWII? I'll never get that in a billion years.

CT and MA aren't part of "New England" for nothin. :whistling: