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tucojuanramirez
08-21-2012, 15:50
Dear American Friends,
soon in Italy a piece of hardware from your glorious country!
Smith & Wesson M&P15 chambered in .223 remington!
The price is good in my opinion, "only" 1500$ , because in Italy the BlackRifles are very uncommon and so very expensive.
Only one thing: Smith & Wesson request the End User Certificate so we must wating about 5-6 months, from the date we buy this firearm.

And now the question: HAVE YOU GOT THIS RIFLE? IS IT A GOOD STUFF? SOME PROBLEMS?

Thank you friends!:wavey:

carloglock19
08-21-2012, 16:29
I have the M&P15 MOE and I haven't had a problem with mine. I'm sure you will get other sugestions soon.

collim1
08-21-2012, 16:38
My sister has an M&P Sport and it has been a good rifle, especially considering she paid $700 OTD for it. It groups well and is reliable, even with cheap range ammo. It does start to jam when its dry.

It will run dirty, but not dry. A few drops of oil on the bolt every 200rds or so and it will run without cleaning for more rounds than I can afford to shoot at one time.

The M&P is a rushed production gun compared to some others, but they work well and sell for a reasonable price. I am considering buying one myself.

WarEagle32
08-21-2012, 22:39
I have a S&W M&P X Model .223/5.56 that I have had for 4 years. It is a tremendous gun. Just keep it CLEAN and LUBRCATED after each range trip. Look on Youtube and there are plenty of videos that show you how to do this well. Run good, non corrosive ammo through it and it will treat you fine. I try to stay away from steel case ammo and use only brass but a lot of people shoot steel cased ammo and have no problems. I just try to take good care of mine. You will be very happy with the rifle I assure you. I highly recommend with a nice gun like that putting a very nice optic on it if you can. I would get an Aimpoint or Eotech red dot for sure if possible. Aimpoint is my favorite and what I have on my M&P. You can leave it on for 5 years straight on one cheap battery. Buy a few batteries and leave it on for a lifetime. Eotechs are excellent as well but the battery life is a fraction of Aimpoint. I don't know your laws so if you can't get a red dot I would recommend a Nikon P223 1x4 or 2x8 variable scope type optic. Any good brand 1x4 will go best on an M&P if you cant get a red dot! If you have any questions feel free to Private message me and I will help any way that I can. I am glad to see that you are able to get such a good and cool type weapon as this in Italy!! Congratulations!!!

WoodenPlank
08-21-2012, 22:59
I have a S&W M&P X Model .223/5.56 that I have had for 4 years. It is a tremendous gun. Just keep it CLEAN and LUBRCATED after each range trip.

If you're cleaning your AR after every range trip, you are wasting a lot of time.

Keep it well lubed, and they will run quite nicely, even when utterly filthy.

OP, if it's available in your country, see if you can acquire some SLiP 2000 EWL oil. It's what I use on my AR, and it works VERY well at keeping everything lubed up. A few drops (in the right places) is all it takes.

The Fist Of Goodness
08-21-2012, 23:15
If you're cleaning your AR after every range trip, you are wasting a lot of time.

Keep it well lubed, and they will run quite nicely, even when utterly filthy.

OP, if it's available in your country, see if you can acquire some SLiP 2000 EWL oil. It's what I use on my AR, and it works VERY well at keeping everything lubed up. A few drops (in the right places) is all it takes.

The S&W reps that taught our armorer course recommended Mobil 1 synthetic. They brought a bottle to the training for us to use, and afterwards, we shot over 2000 rounds through them over the course of the week.

WoodenPlank
08-21-2012, 23:21
The S&W reps that taught our armorer course recommended Mobil 1 synthetic. They brought a bottle to the training for us to use, and afterwards, we shot over 2000 rounds through them over the course of the week.

I'd much rather use something A) non-toxic and B) designed for use in firearms. Plus, EWL won't leave stains all over my clothing like motor oil.

WarEagle32
08-22-2012, 00:25
If you're cleaning your AR after every range trip, you are wasting a lot of time.

Keep it well lubed, and they will run quite nicely, even when utterly filthy.

OP, if it's available in your country, see if you can acquire some SLiP 2000 EWL oil. It's what I use on my AR, and it works VERY well at keeping everything lubed up. A few drops (in the right places) is all it takes.


I don't mind cleaning it after every trip, it doesn't take long. I do it with all my guns. Just me. Plank, I know you have forgotton more about AR's than I will ever know. Just wanted to tell you that I read a lot of your posts and you are spot on man!! More than cleaning it a lot I believe in keeping it lubed and lube it after every trip, I just started it long ago and do it with all of my guns. I enjoy it!

WoodenPlank
08-22-2012, 02:06
I don't mind cleaning it after every trip, it doesn't take long. I do it with all my guns. Just me. Plank, I know you have forgotton more about AR's than I will ever know. Just wanted to tell you that I read a lot of your posts and you are spot on man!! More than cleaning it a lot I believe in keeping it lubed and lube it after every trip, I just started it long ago and do it with all of my guns. I enjoy it!

Understood, and thanks for the compliments, even though I don't really deserve it.

It's a pet peeve that people sometimes (STILL) claim that ARs have to be keps spotless to run well, when it's outright untrue. When I see anything that even looks like someone suggesting it, it tends to get my blood pressure up a bit... :whistling:

tucojuanramirez
08-22-2012, 05:02
i have a s&w m&p x model .223/5.56 that i have had for 4 years. It is a tremendous gun. Just keep it clean and lubrcated after each range trip. Look on youtube and there are plenty of videos that show you how to do this well. Run good, non corrosive ammo through it and it will treat you fine. I try to stay away from steel case ammo and use only brass but a lot of people shoot steel cased ammo and have no problems. I just try to take good care of mine. You will be very happy with the rifle i assure you. I highly recommend with a nice gun like that putting a very nice optic on it if you can. I would get an aimpoint or eotech red dot for sure if possible. Aimpoint is my favorite and what i have on my m&p. You can leave it on for 5 years straight on one cheap battery. Buy a few batteries and leave it on for a lifetime. Eotechs are excellent as well but the battery life is a fraction of aimpoint. I don't know your laws so if you can't get a red dot i would recommend a nikon p223 1x4 or 2x8 variable scope type optic. Any good brand 1x4 will go best on an m&p if you cant get a red dot! If you have any questions feel free to private message me and i will help any way that i can. I am glad to see that you are able to get such a good and cool type weapon as this in italy!! Congratulations!!!

thank you sir!

tucojuanramirez
08-22-2012, 05:05
my sister has an m&p sport and it has been a good rifle, especially considering she paid $700 otd for it. It groups well and is reliable, even with cheap range ammo. It does start to jam when its dry.

It will run dirty, but not dry. A few drops of oil on the bolt every 200rds or so and it will run without cleaning for more rounds than i can afford to shoot at one time.

The m&p is a rushed production gun compared to some others, but they work well and sell for a reasonable price. I am considering buying one myself.

700$ ! This is a good price, in italy firearms cost a lot, and m&p15 is one of the cheaper blackrifles on the market, but it costs about 1500$ (1250 ).

tucojuanramirez
08-22-2012, 05:09
the s&w reps that taught our armorer course recommended mobil 1 synthetic. They brought a bottle to the training for us to use, and afterwards, we shot over 2000 rounds through them over the course of the week.

my father in law always says "the oil is a mechanical component".

M&P15T
08-22-2012, 07:29
Dear American Friends,
soon in Italy a piece of hardware from your glorious country!
Smith & Wesson M&P15 chambered in .223 remington!
The price is good in my opinion, "only" 1500$ , because in Italy the BlackRifles are very uncommon and so very expensive.
Only one thing: Smith & Wesson request the End User Certificate so we must wating about 5-6 months, from the date we buy this firearm.

And now the question: HAVE YOU GOT THIS RIFLE? IS IT A GOOD STUFF? SOME PROBLEMS?

Thank you friends!:wavey:

I own an M&P15T. It has been 100% reliable, and very enjoyable to shoot. Let us know when you get your M&P15, I'm sure a few of us would like to hear about what it's like to own an AR in Italy.

WarEagle32
08-22-2012, 08:52
I own an M&P15T. It has been 100% reliable, and very enjoyable to shoot. Let us know when you get your M&P15, I'm sure a few of us would like to hear about what it's like to own an AR in Italy.

We sure would!

michael_b
08-22-2012, 11:32
I'm sure a few of us would like to hear about what it's like to own an AR in Italy.

No kidding!

Deaf Smith
08-22-2012, 16:55
What will it be in as I understand in Italy no military calibers are allowed?

Deaf

MrMurphy
08-22-2012, 17:22
Tuco, that was what I was wondering.

I was stationed up north, and shot once at an Italian civilian range. All pistols were 9X21mm IMI, .40 S&W or other random non-mil calibers, and the few rifles were hunting pieces.

How do you avoid the military caliber rule with .223?

That said, I have an M&P15. It's not the top of the heap, but it's a good rifle, you will have no issues with it.

boomhower
08-22-2012, 18:29
The M&P's are good rifles. They aren't top tier rifles but for 99% of usage out there they are fine. Unless you plan on taking a trip to the sandbox for a few months the Smith will be fine. Just run it wet!

JDSTG58
08-22-2012, 18:57
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tucojuanramirez
08-23-2012, 04:42
I own an M&P15T. It has been 100% reliable, and very enjoyable to shoot. Let us know when you get your M&P15, I'm sure a few of us would like to hear about what it's like to own an AR in Italy.

ok, will be done!

tucojuanramirez
08-23-2012, 04:45
What will it be in as I understand in Italy no military calibers are allowed?

Deaf

yes sir, it's very embarassing, but in italy 9mm para, 5,56 and 7,62 nato are not permitted!

alternatively:
9x19 : 9x21
5.56 : .223 remington
7.62 : .308 winchester

tucojuanramirez
08-23-2012, 04:49
Tuco, that was what I was wondering.

I was stationed up north, and shot once at an Italian civilian range. All pistols were 9X21mm IMI, .40 S&W or other random non-mil calibers, and the few rifles were hunting pieces.

How do you avoid the military caliber rule with .223?

That said, I have an M&P15. It's not the top of the heap, but it's a good rifle, you will have no issues with it.

yes sir, in italy we can't chamber 9mm luger, 5.56 nato, 7.62 nato, and also .50 ...etc...

the solution is 9x21 (5% more powerful of 9x19), .223 remington and .308 winchester ...

we have got a lot of laws made by persons not qualified.

tucojuanramirez
08-23-2012, 04:53
A S&W M&P 15 is my first ar type rifle. Its been great so far, no problems.

If it is a .233/ .556, and it is available there get a drop in converter to .22lr. I have one made by CMMG. It runs great and lets you shoot cheap. Lots of fun......

a friend of mine has got a colt M4 .22lr, very very very funny to shoot, but for my first black rifle I want the big caliber!

MrMurphy
08-23-2012, 06:41
Ironic, since .223 and .308 both do chamber in the 5.56mm/7.62 rifles......it's the same rounds....kind of self-defeating law there.

raven11
08-23-2012, 09:44
I had a M&P 15 OR ( Optics Ready). Great rifle! Mil spec buffer tube. Fed everything from federal XM193, brown box surplus, tracer, and wolf steel case without fail. I believe Smith and Wesson also included a 30 rnd P-Mag which is a great quality AR magazine

You'll love it the only reason I sold mine was with the assault weapon ban scare I sold it for double what I put in

tucojuanramirez
08-23-2012, 10:55
Ironic, since .223 and .308 both do chamber in the 5.56mm/7.62 rifles......it's the same rounds....kind of self-defeating law there.

yeah! and listen this:
you can't have more than 200 rounds for pistols (a 9 mm for example), but you can store 1500 rounds of 7.62x39 !

dakrat
08-23-2012, 10:55
I have never heard a single bad review with the M&P line of AR15. I almost bought one. they are great rifles backed by great company.

JDSTG58
08-24-2012, 13:36
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