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JBnTX
08-22-2012, 06:53
This is just plain mean and is an insult to the people who died on 11 September 2001.

So much for "tolerance" from the atheists.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27/atheist-group-files-lawsuit-against-display-wtc-cross-at-11-memorial/

A group of atheists has filed a lawsuit claiming the display of the World Trade Center cross at the 9/11 memorial in lower Manhattan is unconstitutional, calling it a "mingling of church and state."

muscogee
08-22-2012, 07:31
This is just plain mean and is an insult to the people who died on 11 September 2001.

So much for "tolerance" from the atheists.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27/atheist-group-files-lawsuit-against-display-wtc-cross-at-11-memorial/

A group of atheists has filed a lawsuit claiming the display of the World Trade Center cross at the 9/11 memorial in lower Manhattan is unconstitutional, calling it a "mingling of church and state."

Right. No one but Christians were killed on 911 and no one else's beliefs should get any respect. Pride goes before the fall.

JBnTX
08-22-2012, 07:56
Right. No one but Christians were killed on 911 and no one else's beliefs should get any respect. Pride goes before the fall.


Are you saying that if we can't respect the religions of ALL the people killed, then we shouldn't respect the religions of any of them?

The vast majority of people killed were Christians.
If the other religions want to put up a memorial that would be a great idea, too.

If Jews or Muslims put up a symbol of their religion, would you also object to that?

muscogee
08-22-2012, 08:08
Are you saying that if we can't respect the religions of ALL the people killed, then we shouldn't respect the religions of any of them? Ground Zero shouldn't be a place to proselytize. No one should be allowed to exploit that tragedy.

The vast majority of people killed were Christians. So what?

If the other religions want to put up a memorial that would be a great idea, too.
So you would be OK with Muslims opening a mosque close to Ground Zero to honor the Muslims who died there? I doubt it.

If Jews or Muslims put up a symbol of their religion, would you also object to that?

Yes

High-Gear
08-22-2012, 18:59
That building was made up of tens of thousands of I beams intersecting at perpandicular angles. Just because one of these intersections appened to fall in a position which resembled a crucifix, it should be included in a memorial?

I think the tragedy was a demonstration of how bad religious extremism can be be. Any other battle over religion at this site should be avoided.

Why can't it be devoid of religious symbols? Even if the majority of the people were christian, how do we know what those victims would want? If you died in a plane crash and the majority of the passengers were muslim, would you be good with a "muslim" memorial for your family to come visit?

Cavalry Doc
08-23-2012, 19:52
Their indifferent passive lack of belief led them to this action.



http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/059/Purple/7b/6c/5a/mzl.bweyhxeb.png




But they will never admit that they believe......

Gunhaver
08-23-2012, 21:11
Unless some tax money is being used to fund the cross in any way some atheist is being a whiny little *****.

Animal Mother
08-23-2012, 23:19
Unless some tax money is being used to fund the cross in any way some atheist is being a whiny little *****.
From the article, "The National September 11 Memorial and Museum at the World Trade Center Foundation, Inc., is exempt from federal income tax. The organization's revenue in 2010 totaled nearly $90 million, of which $70 million was provided by government grants. "

janice6
08-23-2012, 23:22
Lets put up symbols for all people that were killed, and nothing representing atheism.

that should please everyone.

ted1
08-24-2012, 01:48
I am atheist but i have no problem with anyone wanting to put a cross at the wtc site. Or the ten commandments being in a courthouse. I feel i have a right to believe what i want and so does everyone else. I don't believe that atheist have any type of symbol that could be put at the wtc.

If you don't want to read the ten commandments them don't read them. Everyone i know of in my family are Christian and none of them know i am an atheist. I grew up Christian and i have no idea how i would tell anyone single person in my family that I'm atheist. I guess what I'm trying to say is can't we all just get along:)

Being brave is not taking action without fear but taking action in spite of fear.

Blast
08-24-2012, 02:12
Atheists are getting so uptight and desperate. Pathetic.:upeyes:

http://www.inquisitr.com/310255/atheists-protest-churches-feeding-football-players-before-games-in-georgia/

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/19/4739169/atheist-groups-protest-prayers.html

http://www.avatarsdb.com/avatars/vincent_cassel_vinz_la_heine.gif



Awwwwww... poor atheists are offended.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ubnpr1dphRw/Sncb9U25vII/AAAAAAAAAU0/LSm1ZcoagKY/s400/waahmbulance.jpg


:rofl: Such losers.

ksg0245
08-24-2012, 03:21
Atheists are getting so uptight and desperate. Pathetic.:upeyes:

http://www.inquisitr.com/310255/atheists-protest-churches-feeding-football-players-before-games-in-georgia/

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/19/4739169/atheist-groups-protest-prayers.html

Such losers.

From the Georgia complaint: (http://ffrf.org/uploads/legal/RidgelandHighSchool,GAfootballviolations.pdf)

"Our local complainant reports that on game day, Mariakis takes the football team to a local church for dinner. We understand that at these events the church's preacher sermonizes to the players 'about the Christian religion.' We have been told that Mariakis previously took the team to a Mormon church, and afterward he made fun of that religion within earshot of Mormon players. News reports show that Mariakis leads the team in pre- or post-game prayers. Our complainant reports that Mariakis uses bible verses on team gear, such as shirts, and in speeches to excite the team. We further understand that Mariakis is involved in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes club at the school. Finally, we have been told that Mariakis pressures players to attend a 'Christian football camp that the players have to pay for' and that Mariakis 'looks down upon' those who do not attend."

It'd also be okay for an atheist teacher to do that kind of proselytizing, right?

Blast
08-24-2012, 04:35
From the Georgia complaint: (http://ffrf.org/uploads/legal/RidgelandHighSchool,GAfootballviolations.pdf)

"Our local complainant reports that on game day, Mariakis takes the football team to a local church for dinner. We understand that at these events the church's preacher sermonizes to the players 'about the Christian religion.' We have been told that Mariakis previously took the team to a Mormon church, and afterward he made fun of that religion within earshot of Mormon players. News reports show that Mariakis leads the team in pre- or post-game prayers. Our complainant reports that Mariakis uses bible verses on team gear, such as shirts, and in speeches to excite the team. We further understand that Mariakis is involved in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes club at the school. Finally, we have been told that Mariakis pressures players to attend a 'Christian football camp that the players have to pay for' and that Mariakis 'looks down upon' those who do not attend."

It'd also be okay for an atheist teacher to do that kind of proselytizing, right?
And secular coaches don't do unethical things like manipulating grades for star players?
Some of what Mariakis does is unethical, but that isn't the whole point of the protest.
As I said, another pathetic tantrum by organized atheists.:yawn:

snowbird
08-24-2012, 06:10
Unless some tax money is being used to fund the cross in any way some atheist is being a whiny little *****.

For once, I agree with Gunhaver:faint:

AFAIK, that cross was formed by the forces of the explosion and collapse -no tax dollars in sight. And it lent some solace and moral support for rescue workers while they were trying to dig out victims. Why would any non-Islamo-commu-fascist object to that?

High-Gear
08-24-2012, 06:39
From the Georgia complaint: (http://ffrf.org/uploads/legal/RidgelandHighSchool,GAfootballviolations.pdf)

"Our local complainant reports that on game day, Mariakis takes the football team to a local church for dinner. We understand that at these events the church's preacher sermonizes to the players 'about the Christian religion.' We have been told that Mariakis previously took the team to a Mormon church, and afterward he made fun of that religion within earshot of Mormon players. News reports show that Mariakis leads the team in pre- or post-game prayers. Our complainant reports that Mariakis uses bible verses on team gear, such as shirts, and in speeches to excite the team. We further understand that Mariakis is involved in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes club at the school. Finally, we have been told that Mariakis pressures players to attend a 'Christian football camp that the players have to pay for' and that Mariakis 'looks down upon' those who do not attend."

It'd also be okay for an atheist teacher to do that kind of proselytizing, right?

This is funny to me. The same group who fervently defends a police officer for refusing to attend a cultural awareness event where he would have to observe a prayer, will think this sort of behavior is acceptable.

I wonder, how many people here are against the muslim center which has been located several blocks away from WTC for years, from expanding. WHAT! A ground zero mosque? How insensitive! How could they express their religion so close to a hallowed site? That area is for us to express OUR religion! How dare they?

As long as its godly, it must be goodly, I guess?