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LINKz
08-22-2012, 14:58
So my buddy asked me to clean a couple of his guns because he lost his supplies in the move, one of them being a Springfield Armory TRP 1911. I have it all cleaned, and am ready to lube and reassemble. I've never actually owned a 1911 :dunno:, but it's to my understanding that they require much more lubrication than my Glock. Are there key points on the 1911 that need attention that Glocks don't? Any tips would be appreciatied.

faawrenchbndr
08-22-2012, 15:42
Tons of info on YouTube.....I use SlideGlide on rails & Slip 2000 EWL everywhere else

RedsoxFan4Lyfe
08-22-2012, 18:48
I have always used standard gun oil on my 1911's since I was a kid. Lube the rails, barrel hood, barrel bushing, hammer joints, underside of the slide that trips the dis connector and the barrel itself. All lightly of course.

The last few years I have used MilTec-1. It's excellent stuff and is supposed to condition the metal after a few applications.

The 1911 in its original build spec is not an overly tight gun, nor was it ever meant to be. The old 1911's of which I have had several are loose enough that you can run them bone dry if you had to. My Colt's were all the same way. Do they need more lube than a Glock? Absolutely, and so does just about everything else known to man.

Lube them lightly with a good oil as you would any other gun and shoot them. They will be fine.

The 1911 was never meant to be made match tight, like a Kimber, or a Les Baer. Those are great guns, but not what John Browning intended for the design of the weapon. The 1911 has always been know as a rugged and reliable weapon in adverse conditions and in its original build specs it is just that. You start tightening things up to bank vault specs, then you had better have a master gunsmith doing that work or you can expect problems.

Me personally I like my 1911's slightly loose or mil spec. No full length guide rods, and super tight barrel bushings etc. Now you can get a super tight gun that is reliable too such as a Les Baer etc, but you must be willing to pay the money for it.

Hope this helps.

fnfalman
08-22-2012, 21:58
Barely lube the contact points like rails, locking lugs, around the muzzle, etc.

For some ungodly reasons people think that guns; be they old or new, needed to be drenched with oil/grease. A little goes a long way.

glock2740
08-22-2012, 22:36
Barely lube the contact points like rails, locking lugs, around the muzzle, etc.

For some ungodly reasons people think that guns; be they old or new, needed to be drenched with oil/grease. A little goes a long way.
I agree with you, depending on the kind of lube/oil used.

fnfalman
08-22-2012, 23:46
I agree with you, depending on the kind of lube/oil used.

Unless one is about to blast 500-rounds non-stop, any type of gun lube will do.

It's a freakin' gun that is 101-years-old in design with a handful of moving parts. It's not a V-4 motorcycle engine that can rev up to 16,000-RPM.

faawrenchbndr
08-23-2012, 02:16
Unless one is about to blast 500-rounds non-stop, any type of gun lube will.......

Can not agree with this. :dunno:

RUT
08-23-2012, 06:16
>>any type of gun lube will do.<<

Aw c'mon.... we haven't had a good "my lube's better than your lube" thread in a while now! :supergrin:

cangler
08-23-2012, 07:46
ballistol baby :supergrin:

Zombie Steve
08-23-2012, 08:42
Barely lube the contact points like rails, locking lugs, around the muzzle, etc.

For some ungodly reasons people think that guns; be they old or new, needed to be drenched with oil/grease. A little goes a long way.


I agree it doesn't require a ton of lube to run, but just like you can't over stir spaghetti sauce, you can't over-lube a 1911. It just runs out of the gun. Too much is preferable to not enough.

fnfalman
08-23-2012, 08:50
Can not agree with this. :dunno:

If you were to only blast a few rounds through your gun, then why would you need a magic lube that doesn't break down from extreme heat?

Tetra grease is a lot better than Rem Oil on paper, but how does it really help in real life? If you're going to carry the gun for self-defense and it's lubed up with Rem Oil, how would that hurt?

If you're going to a competition or a shooting fest that's going to be pumping through a lot of rounds in a short amount of time, then magic lube/magic grease would come in real handy, but otherwise, they are far from necessary.

Magic lube works really well for certain applications but not for the mundane shooting and carrying.

MD357
08-23-2012, 09:31
<----- has a pretty strong Chem background..... lots of lubes are the same in terms of actual lubrication. Corrosion resistance is a different story.

Right now I use Weaponshield with Slide glide, works great. Have used several different in the past, will say that all the mobil 1 + ATF mixes work really well, but are stinky.

MD357
08-23-2012, 09:33
To some previous cliche comments about tight fitting guns needing lube.....

Watch and enjoy....

1911 No Lube Test - YouTube

faawrenchbndr
08-23-2012, 14:17
If you were to only blast a few rounds through your gun, then why would you need a magic lube that doesn't break down from extreme heat?

Tetra grease is a lot better than Rem Oil on paper, but how does it really help in real life? If you're going to carry the gun for self-defense and it's lubed up with Rem Oil, how would that hurt?

If you're going to a competition or a shooting fest that's going to be pumping through a lot of rounds in a short amount of time, then magic lube/magic grease would come in real handy, but otherwise, they are far from necessary.

Magic lube works really well for certain applications but not for the mundane shooting and carrying.

I like "magic lube".............:whistling:

W4CNG
08-23-2012, 14:34
I use Slide Glide and Tetra on mine. If I am going to do an intensive shoot (300-500 rounds in the day at a Gunfighting Course) I will take down the gun at Lunch and wipe, check for dirty powder residue and re-lube. I have a solid guide rod in mine and only have to remove the slide lock to take the top end off in one piece. Real fast and easy.

fnfalman
08-23-2012, 14:56
I agree it doesn't require a ton of lube to run, but just like you can't over stir spaghetti sauce, you can't over-lube a 1911. It just runs out of the gun. Too much is preferable to not enough.

Yes, it just runs out and gets all over your hands. Then your grip is too slippery to control the pistol, not to mention attracting dirt and sand like crazy.

So, unless you're in a critical situation, overlube doesn't amount to anything but an inconvenience.

faawrenchbndr
08-23-2012, 15:02
Yes, it just runs out and gets all over your hands. Then your grip is too slippery to control the pistol, not to mention attracting dirt and sand like crazy.

So, unless you're in a critical situation, overlube doesn't amount to anything but an inconvenience.

You are having the problem because you are using the WRONG lube!
SlideGlide on rails, Slip 2000 EWL everywhere else! :tongueout:

countrygun
08-23-2012, 16:15
Going waaaay back to my days building shoebox racers the winners tended to use walnut oil, it was similar to WD-40 in consistency,it was an excellent short term lube but needed frequent reapplication. I was plaesed to see that a recent competitor on the STMFFAO* competition circuit has has rediscovered the benefits but in keeping with the organic nature of the walnut oil is upprading it with another organic that has a longer lasting quality. He is now championing his own mixture of 38% walnut oil and 62% tiger semen.

As you may imagine, obtaining the walnut oil is the most difficult part of making the formula, unless one owns a walnut tree and the means to extract the oil from the nut. It is rather a specialty item and is subject to seasonal price variations and climatic condition that effect the price drastically.

If this catches on, of course you can expect to see shortages of tiger semen at your local outlets as well.

* (STMFFAO- Shoot the MF'er Fast and Often)

Zombie Steve
08-23-2012, 20:40
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/markey_mark_wtf.gif?w=477&h=252

fnfalman
08-23-2012, 22:34
You are having the problem because you are using the WRONG lube!
SlideGlide on rails, Slip 2000 EWL everywhere else! :tongueout:

If Uncle Sam were to want the M1911 to be lubed with something else, he wouldn't have issued Break-Free.:tongueout:

ricklee4570
08-24-2012, 05:05
I prefer Wilsons Ultima Lube. It stays where you put it.

faawrenchbndr
08-24-2012, 06:01
The Breakfree these days is crap........none for me

maxmanta
08-24-2012, 15:04
I use Militec-1 one on the barrel, slide rails, and shiny parts. And a dab of gun grease on the slide stop shaft and disconnector.

3rdgen40
08-24-2012, 15:39
To some previous cliche comments about tight fitting guns needing lube.....

Watch and enjoy....

1911 No Lube Test - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWh07MLi1dc)
Why all the fuss about types and brands of lubes ? According to the vid above 1911's require no lube and run just fine without any at all.So, why worry about having the latest , greatest space age ,high tech, huckleberry kumquat,space shuttle rated lube ? **** it, I'm gonna run mine dry.

faawrenchbndr
08-24-2012, 16:44
Yea,.....you do that. Bring your car over, we'll drain it's oil as well.
It will run without any,...........for a short time before **** hits the fan!

3rdgen40
08-24-2012, 16:56
Yea,.....you do that. Bring your car over, we'll drain it's oil as well.
It will run without any,...........for a short time before **** hits the fan!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA.......:rofl:

Foxtrotx1
08-24-2012, 17:20
mobile 1 baby.

okie
08-24-2012, 18:16
mobile 1 baby.

Royal Purple, Max Tuff engine assembly lube:tongueout::supergrin:

LINKz
08-24-2012, 21:42
This thread has gone completely off track.. I use good old fashioned Hoppes lubricating oil. I was just wondering if there were any key areas to pay special attention to when lubing.

countrygun
08-24-2012, 22:42
This thread has gone completely off track.. I use good old fashioned Hoppes #9. I was just wondering if there were any key areas to pay special attention to when lubing.


Hoppe's #9 IS NOT A LUBE it is a bore cleaner!


Few people use even an oil like the Hoppes lube, on the rails of a 1911.

okie
08-24-2012, 22:56
This thread has gone completely off track.. I use good old fashioned Hoppes #9. I was just wondering if there were any key areas to pay special attention to when lubing.

This is from Wilson Combat my friend:thumbsup:

Wilson Combat - Ultima Lube II - Lubing a 1911 - YouTube

LINKz
08-25-2012, 00:41
Hoppe's #9 IS NOT A LUBE it is a bore cleaner!


Few people use even an oil like the Hoppes lube, on the rails of a 1911.

Excuse me, hoppes lubricating oil, I stand corrected.. but please explain why that's not good enough for a 1911? I've been using #9 solvent to clean and their oil to lubricate all of my guns since I was a kid and they seem to work for me. Am I behind the times or what?

LINKz
08-25-2012, 00:43
This is from Wilson Combat my friend:thumbsup:

Wilson Combat - Ultima Lube II - Lubing a 1911 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4D2mRlDo48)

Perfect. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you much good sir.:wavey:

countrygun
08-25-2012, 00:52
Excuse me, hoppes lubricating oil, I stand corrected.. but please explain why that's not good enough for a 1911? I've been using #9 solvent to clean and their oil to lubricate all of my guns since I was a kid and they seem to work for me. Am I behind the times or what?

A basic oil will work but the slide/frame relationship is more like a bearing in a way. a grease lasts longer.

faawrenchbndr
08-25-2012, 03:41
Excuse me, hoppes lubricating oil, I stand corrected.. but please explain why that's not good enough for a 1911? I've been using #9 solvent to clean and their oil to lubricate all of my guns since I was a kid and they seem to work for me. Am I behind the times or what?

Do you understand what a SOLVENT actually is?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/462963/hoppes-9-bore-cleaning-solvent-16-oz-liquid

faawrenchbndr
08-25-2012, 03:43
This thread has gone completely off track.. I use good old fashioned Hoppes lubricating oil. I was just wondering if there were any key areas to pay special attention to when lubing.

Grease on rails.
Oil every where else.
YouTube for a ton of videos.

HOPPES # 9 IS NOT SUITABLE TO BE USED AS AN OIL!

okie
08-25-2012, 05:26
Perfect. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you much good sir.:wavey:

You are very welcome my friend:thumbsup:

ricklee4570
08-25-2012, 09:29
Grease on rails.
Oil every where else.
YouTube for a ton of videos.

HOPPES # 9 IS NOT SUITABLE TO BE USED AS AN OIL!


I wouldnt grease the rails if you live in a cold environment in the winter.

faawrenchbndr
08-25-2012, 09:47
I wouldnt grease the rails if you live in a cold environment in the winter.

True, but, since it is currently August.......:whistling:

LINKz
08-25-2012, 10:36
Grease on rails.
Oil every where else.
YouTube for a ton of videos.

HOPPES # 9 IS NOT SUITABLE TO BE USED AS AN OIL!

Yes I understand, it was a mis-type and I already corrected myself.

faawrenchbndr
08-25-2012, 10:43
Yes I understand, it was a mis-type and I already corrected myself.

Sorry for that,.......looks like everyone jumped on ya hard!

dakrat
08-25-2012, 13:49
This is from Wilson Combat my friend:thumbsup:

Wilson Combat - Ultima Lube II - Lubing a 1911 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4D2mRlDo48)

no disrespect for Wilson Combat but that is way too much oil. guess its all marketing. the sooner you run out, the more they sell.

Zombie Steve
08-25-2012, 14:13
Hoppes oil is decent... thin, but it works fine.

Heck, I just use the same motor oil I put into my truck. Works fine. If you want to spend a lot of money for a little bit of oil, FP10 is nice.


As for where to apply it - rails for sure... generally, your gun will tell you anywhere else. Look for wear spots.

:supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
08-25-2012, 15:12
FP10 is great oil,....still have a cinnamon smell to it.

sna0403
09-08-2012, 16:06
ATF on my parkerkerized ATI and Rock Island: Dunk it, remove and let drip dry, then shoot 4 or 5 magazines and it's perfect!:supergrin:

Unk
09-08-2012, 17:11
OR you could go to

http://stevespages.com/pdf/springfield_1911.pdf

for the original Owners Manual and see what they say..light oil unless SS, then slightly more.

I do something different on my shooter 1911's..little dab of grease here and there and oily rag to prevent rust.

Have fun.

porschedog
09-08-2012, 20:05
Has anyone tried a Teflon lube on the rails?

COLDSTEEL165
10-25-2012, 01:34
Slide Guide on the Rails & EEZOX on the rest of my guns.

Jungle Work
10-25-2012, 16:10
I use CLP on my 1911s.
How much I use depends on the enviornment I'm in, whether a monsoon or a dust bowl. And it a good rust protectant too.

What others use is of very little concern to me. If I see something that I think might be better I might give it a try, but the whizzmogizzmo whoopytydo lastest lube of the week club does not intrest me.

GSX-MAN
10-26-2012, 12:53
I just picked u a used Norinco 1911A1 and it was dry. Sahara dry. I applied some Gun Butter on the slide and barrel bushing, now it sounds a lot less squeaky. Apart from the slide and bushing, I do not see many contact points that need to be greased. Am I overlooking something?

fnfalman
10-26-2012, 14:49
I just picked u a used Norinco 1911A1 and it was dry. Sahara dry. I applied some Gun Butter on the slide and barrel bushing, now it sounds a lot less squeaky. Apart from the slide and bushing, I do not see many contact points that need to be greased. Am I overlooking something?

I add a very, very, very light coat of lubricant on the locking lugs on top of the barrel. Also the same for the swinging link.

Pretty much any place that has metal-to-metal contact.

CA Escapee
10-27-2012, 12:15
Unless one is about to blast 500-rounds non-stop, any type of gun lube will do.
I agree, I use CLP and a gun grease like Wilson Combat.


It's a freakin' gun that is 101-years-old in design with a handful of moving parts. It's not a V-4 motorcycle engine that can rev up to 16,000-RPM.


Not unlike that crotch-rocket in your avatar.:tongueout:

broncobuddha1
11-04-2012, 09:56
This is from Wilson Combat my friend:thumbsup:

Wilson Combat - Ultima Lube II - Lubing a 1911 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4D2mRlDo48)

This is what I do and how I do it if it's good enough for a 3000 dollar pistol it's good enough for my Dan Wesson.

G26AZ
11-04-2012, 21:50
All of you have missed the major issue in this whole thread - who falls for the old "I lost my cleaning supplies in the move" lie and cleans his freind's guns?

I'd love to go have the fun of shooting my guns, and then hand them to a friend to clean them for me! I used to think thats what my sons were for, but then they grew up and moved out on their own, now I'm back to cleaning my own . . . :(

CU4X4N
11-04-2012, 22:34
Lube?!? Who need lube when everything is coated in NP3 ???


http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww360/cu4x4n/Photos/Cache/NP3Spartan.jpg

Yes, that's my STI Spartan with a full NP3 treatment! :wow: :faint: :rofl:

G26AZ
11-05-2012, 08:28
Lube?!? Who need lube when everything is coated in NP3 ???


http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww360/cu4x4n/Photos/Cache/NP3Spartan.jpg

Yes, that's my STI Spartan with a full NP3 treatment! :wow: :faint: :rofl:



Are you serious about that? I had Robar do my Commander in NP3+, and it seemed like the lady told me to keep it lubed for the first 200 rounds, and after that it wouldn't need lubing. Later, I thought I must have mis-understood her, and continue to lube my Commander.
Do you REALLY not lube your NP3 plated Spartan?

fnfalman
11-05-2012, 09:01
Not unlike that crotch-rocket in your avatar.:tongueout:

That crotch rocket in my avatar is a two-strokes engined animal. It needs a lot more lube than an M1911.

CU4X4N
11-05-2012, 11:30
Are you serious about that? I had Robar do my Commander in NP3+, and it seemed like the lady told me to keep it lubed for the first 200 rounds, and after that it wouldn't need lubing. Later, I thought I must have mis-understood her, and continue to lube my Commander.
Do you REALLY not lube your NP3 plated Spartan?


Taken right from Robar's website:

SELF-LUBRICATING: PTFE is deposited throughout the coating so for most firearms no additional lubrication is needed after initial break-in.


YMMV

MD357
11-05-2012, 15:00
My bedside 1911 was finished in NP3+. While I'm absolutely sure it would run dry, I still lube per normal. (insert cheap joke here)

When it's my life I'll err on the side of caution. No point in running it dry.

IndianaMatt
11-08-2012, 21:31
Barely lube the contact points like rails, locking lugs, around the muzzle, etc.

For some ungodly reasons people think that guns; be they old or new, needed to be drenched with oil/grease. A little goes a long way.

This is true. Over-lubing can actually be worse that underlubing, because too much oil traps dirt and metal particles and actually helps that junk move into bad places.

There comes a certain point at which more oil does not mean better friction prevention.