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PROderboom
08-22-2012, 18:18
Hey guys,

I did my best to search for a thread on this topic, but failed to find one. Maybe I'm just an idiot, if so, please direct to the thread.

As you can see, I would like your input on what rifle is a better rifle or just simply more reliable. I live and die buy Glock so I highly depend on the reliability of my firearm. This purchase would be for fun only, so defense is not a factor in my purchase.

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

boomhower
08-22-2012, 18:26
Get the M&P, it's a great rifle and dirt cheap. The Colt isn't a Colt, just has the name stamped on it. Don't know a lot about the Colt but I know tons and tons of happy M&P 15-22 owners.

Guatariccan
08-22-2012, 18:27
I own a 15-22 and it has the exact same controls of a real AR. It also takes the same stocks (mil-spec diameter tube) and other accessories. I ended up buying 8 mags for it because it is simply more fun than a person could have at the range. Highly recommend. I've heard the Colt/ Umarex version is not as authentic to a real AR (controls/accessories) as the S&W.

racer88
08-22-2012, 19:27
Another vote for the M&P 15-22 from a very happy owner. Fun, fun, FUN!

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b425/racer88_bucket/Gun%20Stuff/MP15-22-1.jpg

TunaFisherman
08-22-2012, 19:42
I own one. My Ruger 10/22 is jealous as the 15/22 is my new love

Shooter64
08-22-2012, 19:49
M&P is the way to go. It uses real AR trigger parts and the bolt rides on stainless steel rails. If I remember, the bolt in the colt rides on zinc alloy.

My M&P will group 5 rounds of CCI std velocity in a .375" group at 50 yards. That's with a 4moa Aimpoint.
http://img.tapatalk.com/632f649a-8c9f-de21.jpg

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plouffedaddy
08-22-2012, 19:51
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMG_0541.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/tiffani33/Guns/IMG_0612.jpg

15-22 all the way. Ultra reliable and a great training aid for future warriors...

Rancher
08-22-2012, 20:34
If I had a "do over" would get a CMMG conversion for my AR's. I have 3. Really like (liked) my M&P until a primer from a Remington Golden screwed it up. My son was shooting it and the Goldens are not a ammo they suggest using in one, my/his fault.

Check out the reviews on ar-15.com and go from there.

I do like the M&P but would go a differnet route if I could. IMO a .22 should be able to shoot anything I feed it. All my others have done fine. Still have to get a new extractor for mine. Been to lazy/busy to call S&W. A member here knew the problem right when I described it.

If you do not have an AR for a conversion I would say get the M&P, the Colts are crap. Not a fan of the Rugers either.

Rancher

MrMurphy
08-22-2012, 20:48
Most AR conversions i've seen had issues.

The M&P will run and run hard.

The Colt is a flaming piece of crap.


The fact that the M&P disassembles like a real AR is also a plus.

porschedog
08-22-2012, 20:51
I have the Colt, it isn't a pos, sorry
Yes, the S&w is nice, no doubt, but no need to slam the Colt until you have tried it

plouffedaddy
08-22-2012, 21:04
Most AR conversions i've seen had issues.

The M&P will run and run hard.

The Colt is a flaming piece of crap.


The fact that the M&P disassembles like a real AR is also a plus.

Agreed. I had two conversions---at least 1-5 malfunctions per mag in any gun with any ammo.

The M&Ps been awesome. I sold my kits for $240 and bought the M&P for $370. Glad I did. The reliability is worth another $130 IMO...

Ewalk
08-22-2012, 22:39
I was Lucky To Have Friends That Owned Both And I Shot Both. The Decision Was Made For Me By How Many Issues The "Colt" Had. I Am Very Happy With My M&P, I Will Be buying The Target Model Soon.

NeverMore1701
08-22-2012, 23:09
M&P if it were me.

ColdBlooded
08-22-2012, 23:20
I would pick the M&P. It is so well liked the guys that brought you some of the nicest ambi safety levers, have also developed ambi selectors for the M&P.

Battle Arms M&P 15-22 ambi selectors. (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?4081-Battle-Arms-Selector-Switch-BAD-for-the-S-amp-W-M-amp-P15-22)

skeeter7
08-22-2012, 23:38
+1 on the 15-22. I love mine and would recommend it to anyone.

Travclem
08-23-2012, 06:33
M&P gets my vote. It has real AR controls and is actually made by the company who's brand it bears out of quality materials. Can't say that for the "Colt".

The only difference between it and a real AR is the weight

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm252/travclem/photo22.jpg

bunk22
08-23-2012, 07:18
Here is mine, well, my daughter's :supergrin:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/bunk22/photo14-2.jpg

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 07:21
Neither. They're both junk guns licensed out to toy companies.

RUGER 10/22.

Shooter64
08-23-2012, 07:43
Neither. They're both junk guns licensed out to toy companies.

RUGER 10/22.

That statement is invalid.


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KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 07:53
That statement is invalid.


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Truth bomb.
BOOM.
Deal with it.

Travclem
08-23-2012, 08:01
Truth bomb.
BOOM.
Deal with it.
He didn't ask about any .22 rifles, he asked about these 2 specific AR variants. While a 10/22 is a great rifle, it is useless as an AR training tool.

PS The M&P is far from a junk gun. Do you own one? I own both, and both have a place in my collection.

Shooter64
08-23-2012, 08:01
Truth bomb.
BOOM.
Deal with it.

Please give us sources to back up your statement, especially about the M&P 15-22.

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KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 08:56
Please give us sources to back up your statement, especially about the M&P 15-22.

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Colt .22 is a Umarex.
Smith and Wesson .22 is a Walther.

Forget about the Colt.

If you want the 15-22?
You can get ten times the gun for $170 less with the Ruger.

No pimp juice with that though. Sorry.

GSSF17
08-23-2012, 09:19
Neither. They're both junk guns licensed out to toy companies.

RUGER 10/22.


AR trainer or AR variant the 10/22 is not. Sources on your other incorrect statement, please.

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 11:16
AR trainer or AR variant the 10/22 is not. Sources on your other incorrect statement, please.

Reference?

GSSF17
08-23-2012, 12:58
Reference?

I will say that having handled and shot the umarex/colt, I was displeased.

Specifically addressing the M&P 15-22, I am curious as to why you think it is "junk licenced out to toy companies." Just inquiring as to what experience and information upon which you base those statements. The OP may appreciate it as well.

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 13:40
I will say that having handled and shot the umarex/colt, I was displeased.

Specifically addressing the M&P 15-22, I am curious as to why you think it is "junk licenced out to toy companies." Just inquiring as to what experience and information upon which you base those statements. The OP may appreciate it as well.

Well, Walther makes those junky little pot metal .22 pistols and:

Umarex is your premium airgun supplier of replica air pistols, air rifles, tactical airsoft guns, paintball markers, and realistic blank firing pistols.

This is all well known... I didn't expect to be challenged on this fact.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XCkTSf0swcQ/ST8WQvoCBFI/AAAAAAAAEtQ/EuNPOEZA5G0/s1600/brokenWALTHERslide732.jpg

Travclem
08-23-2012, 13:51
Well, Walther makes those junky little pot metal .22 pistols and:



This is all well known... I didn't expect to be challenged on this fact.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XCkTSf0swcQ/ST8WQvoCBFI/AAAAAAAAEtQ/EuNPOEZA5G0/s1600/brokenWALTHERslide732.jpg
No one is arguing the Umarex thing, but...

Please tell me the weak points of the M&P15-22 specifically, not guns made by the same company (if it in fact is made by Walther). That picture is of a Walther P22.

GSSF17
08-23-2012, 14:05
No one is arguing the Umarex thing, but...

Please tell me the weak points of the M&P15-22 specifically, not guns made by the same company (if it in fact is made by Walther). That picture is of a Walther P22.


I am waiting as well. I asked you about the Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22, and your experience with it that has allowed you to draw such conslusions. Blanket statements with nothing to support them and photos of Walther P-22s are not doing your argument any justice, KalashniKEV.

KingWalleye
08-23-2012, 14:11
I have the Colt, it isn't a pos, sorry
Yes, the S&w is nice, no doubt, but no need to slam the Colt until you have tried it

I had two of the Colts and they were both flaming turds. No apologies here.

Get the 15-22 or a Sig 552 (my choice). Check over at Rimfire Central for reviews on all three.

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 14:24
I honestly did not expect this level of butthurt.

Not every gun is a "good gun."

Maybe Walther got it right with the 15-22... Maybe Keltec got it right with the PF9... people have made the assertion that Hi Points are solid, reliable pistols.

I guess I'll never know.

OP should take a hard look at something serious though.

Either of those .22s will be cut up and loaded into the recycling bin in a few years, but the 10/22 can last forever.

Shooter64
08-23-2012, 14:43
Walther does not make the 15-22! The 15-22 is built in Massachusetts by Smith & Wesson.
Several shooters in my gun club and others that I shoot multi-gun rimfire matches have dumped the 10/22 for the 15-22 because of 10/22 magazine issues. I have sold off all of my 10/22's and replaced them with a m&p 15-22 and a CZ 452.
Back to our multi-gun rimfire matches; the only reliable rifles are 15-22s and a Browning Automatic .22 rifle.
Our silhouette shooters have swtiched from tricked out 10/22's to CZs, savages, and anschultz.
Back to the OP's question; the 15-22 is the better choice.
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Travclem
08-23-2012, 15:00
I honestly did not expect this level of butthurt.

Not every gun is a "good gun."

Maybe Walther got it right with the 15-22... Maybe Keltec got it right with the PF9... people have made the assertion that Hi Points are solid, reliable pistols.

I guess I'll never know.

OP should take a hard look at something serious though.

Either of those .22s will be cut up and loaded into the recycling bin in a few years, but the 10/22 can last forever.
Maybe you should get some experience with the gun before spewing BS about it. My M&P isn't going in the trash any sooner than my 10/22.

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 15:24
Walther does not make the 15-22! The 15-22 is built in Massachusetts by Smith & Wesson.

So they only make this one?

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/waltherark02op.png

Crazy.

What Military and Police units are using these, anyway?
:rofl:


Back to our multi-gun rimfire matches; the only reliable rifles are 15-22s and a Browning Automatic .22 rifle.

Hold the phone... your 10/22s are not reliable?

There could be user error involved too.

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 15:27
Maybe you should get some experience with the gun before spewing BS about it. My M&P isn't going in the trash any sooner than my 10/22.

Not the trash- RECYCLING.

There are uses for that reclaimed pot metal!
(pots?)

...and the soda bottles that went in can be soda bottles once again!

:tongueout:

Travclem
08-23-2012, 15:47
Not the trash- RECYCLING.

There are uses for that reclaimed pot metal!
(pots?)

...and the soda bottles that went in can be soda bottles once again!

:tongueout:
Which parts are pot metal on the M&P15-22? Can you point to them? I'll wait.

The receivers are polymer but if you have such an issue with polymer guns, Why are you posting on a forum dedicated to them?

KalashniKEV
08-23-2012, 16:00
Which parts are pot metal on the M&P15-22? Can you point to them? I'll wait.


Probably the ones that explode and deform when the junker goes KB:

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2010_07_28_190312-tfb.jpg

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/07/31/sw-mp-15-22-kaboom/


The receivers are polymer but if you have such an issue with polymer guns, Why are you posting on a forum dedicated to them?

This is, again... very weird because I didn't expect this kind of response, but I (personally) can feel quality with my fingerz...

Can't you?

Is a Glock frame made out of the same toy-store-plastic as the M&P 15-22?

Travclem
08-23-2012, 16:03
Nothing exploded, the extractor was dislodged from the bolt. Nothing broken. No pot metal in this gun.

There are plenty of pics of KB'd 10/22s if you look around.

JaPes
08-23-2012, 16:33
I'm a former Umarex Colt M4 Ops. .22lr owner. I'll let the pictures speak for themselves.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Umarex%20Colt%20M4/IMG_0183.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Umarex%20Colt%20M4/IMG_0184.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/suba-saab/Umarex%20Colt%20M4/IMG_0190.jpg

I'm a current M&P 15-22 owner and couldn't be happier.

GSSF17
08-23-2012, 16:55
I honestly did not expect this level of butthurt.

Not every gun is a "good gun."

Maybe Walther got it right with the 15-22... Maybe Keltec got it right with the PF9... people have made the assertion that Hi Points are solid, reliable pistols.

I guess I'll never know.

OP should take a hard look at something serious though.

Either of those .22s will be cut up and loaded into the recycling bin in a few years, but the 10/22 can last forever.


There is no butt hurt here. No one knows what you are talking about. Walther? Pot metal? Huh?

Walther does not make the 15-22. It is a rifle, and you are posting pics of pistols. Your info is incorrect, your argument is poor, and your tone is biased. I love the 10/22 as well, and it has its place- Just like you do- in ANOTHER THREAD.... maybe one about how the 10/22 is so awesome. :wavey:

PROderboom
08-23-2012, 20:18
Thanks for the help guys. Looks like I'll be purchasing the S&W M&P 15-22. It also helps that the S&W is $150 cheaper.

Shooter64
08-23-2012, 20:37
Good choice! Keep us informed and send us a range report. Stock up on mags! Don't forget to get at least one short 10rd mag, it's nice when shooting off of a bench.

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faawrenchbndr
08-24-2012, 02:42
The "Colt 22" is not really a Colt at all.
It is a built by Umarex, a airsoft company, with Colt's name on it.
Major stupid move on Colt's part allowing this.