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High-Gear
08-26-2012, 00:22
Interesting video which explains a lot of the conflicting accounts in the bible.

Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism) - YouTube

JBnTX
08-26-2012, 04:00
Pure garbage!...:puking:

Why don't you atheists write your own history, instead of trying to rewrite the Bible?

Why so much concern over something that you don't even believe in?

What's it any of your concern if the Bible has contradictions, you don't believe a word of it anyway?

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Animal Mother
08-26-2012, 06:07
Pure garbage!...:puking:

Why don't you atheists write your own history, instead of trying to rewrite the Bible?

Why so much concern over something that you don't even believe in?

What's it any of your concern if the Bible has contradictions, you don't believe a word of it anyway?

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Archaeology supports a polytheistic origin for Judaism, arising out of the Babylonian pantheon. What evidence is there to the contrary?

Wouldn't you rather know the truth?

Arc Angel
08-26-2012, 07:44
Interesting video which explains a lot of the conflicting accounts in the bible.

Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZY2eeozdo8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

:wavey: Hi! How are things in the loony bin this morning?

Listen, biblical accounts are only, 'conflicting' when the Reader fails to understand what is being said. After, literally, an entire lifetime of studying the Bible (including 2 years in seminary) I've concluded that Judeo-Christian sacred scripture has been produced by far greater, infinitely more sophisticated minds than anything normally possessed by common intellect.

People-in-general are good at solving, 'problems of the conscious mind'. However, because of the common emotional filters applied to ALL conscious reason by virtually all men, everywhere, ordinary men tend to do far less well with spiritual issues and reasoning than they are often able to demonstrate elsewhere.

You are apparently one of these ordinary people; and, truthfully, you've come to the right place to vent your spiritual ignorance. :thumbsup:

JBnTX
08-26-2012, 07:47
Archaeology supports a polytheistic origin for Judaism, arising out of the Babylonian pantheon. What evidence is there to the contrary?


Duh? :faint:

That's been common knowledge for about 3000 years.
Are you atheists just now finding out about it?

Why do you think the first commandment is Thou shalt have no other gods before me?

It put an end to the polytheism.

Kingarthurhk
08-26-2012, 08:40
You can see an evolution of religion in scripture. First you have Adam and Eve communing with God, who is referred to as "we" which implies God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as derived in scripture later on. So there are Three that are one, which as been called the "Trinity".

Then you see the fall after choosing Satan's lie in the Garden of Eden. From there you see a distinction after Cain and Abel of the Sons of God and found the daughters of men attractive and intermarried with them. So, you see two divisions: essentially the Adam and Eve's other children who followed in the way of Able finding those that followed after Cain's women attractive.

That mixing of marriages caused so much evil in the world, we find the flood next.

After the world is repopulated, after a brief revival, the same problem develops with everyone going their own way.

Then Abraham is called from Ur which was a polytheistic society, to serve the original God Head. So, in essence we see the roots of Judaism sprining forth from a polytheistic idolatrous society. Once his descendants settled in Egypt after Joseph you see them being enslaved and being indoctrinated into the polytheistic society.

Moses comes along and pulls them from that society, but it takes some effort to divest them of the Egyptian lifestyle and back to the original God Head.

Once Israel is established you see them adopting other Gods and angering God. Punishments come as a result of a violation of their convenant. There is that constant back and forth throughout their history until you see the Babylonian captivity.

So, finding archaelogical evidence of idolatry in ancient Israel is not really all that suprising.

High-Gear
08-26-2012, 10:19
Duh? :faint:

That's been common knowledge for about 3000 years.
Are you atheists just now finding out about it?

Why do you think the first commandment is Thou shalt have no other gods before me?

It put an end to the polytheism.

I'm confused, is it pure garbage or spot on? Yes it eventually put an end to polytheism for the Jews, but isnt it a testament to the man made nature of god?

God created man in his image, after man created god in his image. :supergrin:

FCoulter
08-26-2012, 12:33
You can see an evolution of religion in scripture. First you have Adam and Eve communing with God, who is referred to as "we" which implies God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as derived in scripture later on. So there are Three that are one, which as been called the "Trinity".


This is prob one of the most bizarre statements you have made.

Please I beg you to first show Biblical proof the "we" was adam ,eve and God?


Then please provide proof that the pagan concept of the trinity is Biblical?


Hint, the oneness of the God family is clearly explained by Jesus himself in John 17, and it is not trinitarian!

Kingarthurhk
08-26-2012, 12:37
This is prob one of the most bizarre statements you have made.

Please I beg you to first show Biblical proof the "we" was adam ,eve and God?


Then please provide proof that the pagan concept of the trinity is Biblical?


Hint, the oneness of the God family is clearly explained by Jesus himself in John 17, and it is not trinitarian!


Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, “Let us <sup class="crossreference" value='(BO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BO))'></sup> make mankind <sup class="crossreference" value='(BP (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BP))'></sup> in our image, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BQ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BQ))'></sup> in our likeness, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BR (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BR))'></sup> so that they may rule <sup class="crossreference" value='(BS (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BS))'></sup> over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BT (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BT))'></sup> over the livestock and all the wild animals,<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-26a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26a)]</sup> and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

High-Gear
08-26-2012, 12:48
Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, “Let us <sup class="crossreference" value='(BO (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BO))'></sup> make mankind <sup class="crossreference" value='(BP (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BP))'></sup> in our image, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BQ (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BQ))'></sup> in our likeness, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BR (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BR))'></sup> so that they may rule <sup class="crossreference" value='(BS (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BS))'></sup> over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, <sup class="crossreference" value='(BT (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BT))'></sup> over the livestock and all the wild animals,<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-26a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26a)]</sup> and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Maybe "We" making in "Our" image was a reference to polytheism?

FCoulter
08-26-2012, 14:17
Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, “Let us <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BO&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BO</a>)"></sup> make mankind <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BP&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BP</a>)"></sup> in our image, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BQ&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BQ</a>)"></sup> in our likeness, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BR&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BR</a>)"></sup> so that they may rule <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BS&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BS</a>)"></sup> over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, <sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26BT&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>BT</a>)"></sup> over the livestock and all the wild animals,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-26a&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>a</a>]">[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26a)]</sup> and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Wake up king a. God is speaking the us and our before adam and eve are created.

WOW!

Guss
08-26-2012, 14:18
Maybe "We" making in "Our" image was a reference to polytheism?
Probably. One of the words for God in the Bible was Elohim, which was plural. The religious apologists are perfectly capable of twisting themselves into a pretzel to deny or re-interpret that, though. That's the advantage of a book that needs interpreting by the "right" people.

Guss
08-26-2012, 14:22
The way I heard it from a former minister who learned it in a Christian divinity school, the Jews seemed to have believed in all the gods, but made a special contract with the god they thought to be the most powerful. Over time, they stopped even speaking the names of the other gods to show respect to their favorite. Eventually it morphed into monotheism.

Kingarthurhk
08-26-2012, 16:59
Wake up king a. God is speaking the us and our before adam and eve are created.

WOW!

You are being rude, and missing the point entirely. The Us and and Our was God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit speaking as themselves.

Kingarthurhk
08-26-2012, 17:02
Maybe "We" making in "Our" image was a reference to polytheism?

It is a reference to what we find in scripture, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are seperate, but coequal and in one accord. They are the God Head, which the term Trinity comes into play, though you won't find the term "Trinity" in the bible. However, you will find God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all referenced.

FCoulter
08-26-2012, 17:04
It is a reference to what we find in scripture, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are seperate, but coequal and in one accord. They are the God Head, which the term Trinity comes into play, though you won't find the term "Trinity" in the bible. However, you will find God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all referenced.
Sorry I am calling you a liar. Show me one place in the Bible where the Holy Spirt is called or refered to God the Holy Spirit.

If you cant then please say your sorry to the real God not the pagan ones you are in worship with.

Kingarthurhk
08-26-2012, 17:46
Sorry I am calling you a liar. Show me one place in the Bible where the Holy Spirt is called or refered to God the Holy Spirit.

If you cant then please say your sorry to the real God not the pagan ones you are in worship with.

It is frustrating dealing with you and trying to be kind to you. I am trying to be kind to as you might possibly be a brother in Christ. But, the spirit in which you come is not from Christ. There is always a venom in your speach that is not of the Spirit. You wear out a man's patience.

Now, I suppose I will waste my time bringing to your scripture only to receive such slander, but I will do the best that I am able. Consider this a kind rebuke.

The Holy Spirit is no new concept:

Psalms 51:11, "Do not cast me <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-14703A))'></sup> from your presence <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-14703B))'></sup>
or take your Holy Spirit <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-14703C))'></sup> from me."

Isaiah 63:10, "Yet they rebelled <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18877A))'></sup>
and grieved his Holy Spirit. <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18877B))'></sup>
So he turned and became their enemy <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18877C))'></sup>
and he himself fought <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18877D))'></sup> against them."

Isaiah 63:11, "Then his people recalled<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-18878a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+63:11&version=NIV#fen-NIV-18878a)]</sup> the days of old,
the days of Moses and his people—
where is he who brought them through the sea, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18878A))'></sup>
with the shepherd of his flock? <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18878B))'></sup>
Where is he who set
his Holy Spirit <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-18878C))'></sup> among them,"

Matthew 1:18, "<sup> </sup>This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23163a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1:18&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23163a)]</sup>: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit."

Matthew 1:20, "But after he had considered this, an angel <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23165A))'></sup> of the Lord appeared to him in a dream <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23165B))'></sup> and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."

Matthew 3:11, "I baptize you with<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23204a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+3:11&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23204a)]</sup> water for repentance. <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23204A))'></sup> But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with<sup class="footnote" value=''></sup> the Holy Spirit <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23204B))'></sup> and fire."

Matthew 12:32, "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23522A))'></sup> or in the age to come."

Jeus makes it obvious and plain here:

Matthew 28:19, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24215A))'></sup> baptizing them in the name of the [B]Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

Mark 1:8, "I baptize you with<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24224a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+1:8&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24224a)]</sup> water, but he will baptize you with<sup class="footnote" value='[b (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24224b)]'>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+1:8&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24224b)]</sup> the Holy Spirit.”

Mark 3:29, "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

Remember David in the Psalms who speaks of the Holy Spirit?

Mark 12:36, "David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24710A))'></sup> declared:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24710a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12:36&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24710a)]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24710B))'></sup>

Mark 13:11, "Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit."

Luke 1:15, "for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24909A))'></sup> and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24909B))'></sup> even before he is born."

Luke 1:35, "The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24929A))'></sup> and the power of the Most High <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24929B))'></sup> will overshadow you. So the holy one <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24929C))'></sup> to be born will be called<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-24929a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1:35&version=NIV#fen-NIV-24929a)]</sup> the Son of God."

Luke 1:41, "When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 1:67, "His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24961A))'></sup> and prophesied:"

Luke 2:25, "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24999A))'></sup> He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-24999B))'></sup> and the Holy Spirit was on him."

Luke 2:26, "It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah."

Luke 3:16, "John answered them all, “I baptize you with<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-25042a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3:16&version=NIV#fen-NIV-25042a)]</sup> water. <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25042A))'></sup> But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with<sup class="footnote" value='[b (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-25042b)]'>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3:16&version=NIV#fen-NIV-25042b)]</sup> the Holy Spirit and fire."

Here they are again in concert with one another:
Luke 3:22, "and [B]the Holy Spirit descended on him <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25048A))'></sup> in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25048B))'></sup> whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

Luke 4:1, "Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25065B))'></sup> left the Jordan <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25065C))'></sup> and was led by the Spirit <sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25065D))'></sup> into the wilderness,"

Luke 10:21, "At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25385A))'></sup> Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do."

Luke 11:13, "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Luke 12:10, "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-25470A))'></sup> will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

Luke 12:12, "<sup> </sup>for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

John 1:33, "And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26078A))'></sup> told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’"

John 15:26, "When the Advocate <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26726A))'></sup> comes, whom I will send to you from the Father <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26726B))'></sup> —the Spirit of truth <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26726C))'></sup> who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me."

John 20:22, "And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit."

Acts 1:2, "until the day he was taken up to heaven, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26926A))'></sup> after giving instructions <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26926B))'></sup> through the Holy Spirit to the apostles <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26926C))'></sup> he had chosen."

Acts 1:5, " For John baptized with<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-26929a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+1:5&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26929a)]</sup> water, <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26929A))'></sup> but in a few days you will be baptized with<sup class="footnote" value=''>[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+1:5&version=NIV#fen-NIV-26929b)]</sup> [B]the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 1:8, "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; <sup class="crossreference" value='(A (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26932A))'></sup> and you will be my witnesses <sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26932B))'></sup> in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, <sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-26932C))'></sup> and to the ends of the earth.”

I can keep going and going and going if you like. As to who is a liar:

Romans 3:4, "Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

IhRedrider
08-26-2012, 19:36
Shema Israel, Adonai Eloheynu, Adonai Echad.
Harken Israel, The Lord is God, The Lord is One.

Animal Mother
08-26-2012, 21:35
Listen, biblical accounts are only, 'conflicting' when the Reader fails to understand what is being said. After, literally, an entire lifetime of studying the Bible (including 2 years in seminary) I've concluded that Judeo-Christian sacred scripture has been produced by far greater, infinitely more sophisticated minds than anything normally possessed by common intellect. It is amazing how intelligent people can dispense with logic when required to attempt and rationalize the contradictory accounts found throughout the Bible.

FCoulter
08-27-2012, 06:11
King, since not one verse you psyed supports a pagan trinity, nor does any of the prove the Holy Spirit as a sepetate God.

I will now educate from the true nature of God.


The God family.


God—the Hebrew word is Elohim, a plural noun inherently meaning more than one—is a holy Family of intelligent Beings, composed of spirit. The God Family is eternal and all-powerful. The God Family is perfect in love, purpose and character. The God Family is Lawgiver, Creator and Sustainer of all substance and life, and upholds and controls the universe. The Scriptures reveal that the God Family created mankind “after Our image and after Our likeness.” Therefore, God is the reality of the “image and likeness” from which man was created. The God Family presently consists of God the Father and God the Son. These two members of the God Family have the same form, or “image and likeness,” which They have given to human beings, though They are composed of spirit. One of Their purposes is to increase the God Family. According to this plan and purpose, They will share Their eternal spiritual existence and Their vast creation with those human beings who will be born again by the resurrection from death into the God Family, thereby inheriting Their magnificent love, glory and power as sons and daughters of God throughout eternity.
Scriptural References
Gen. 1:26 - Eph. 3:9-21 - I John 4:8
Dan. 7:9-10 - Eph. 1:3-5, 9-10 - Rev. 1:14-16
Col. 1:12-27 - John 4:24 - Psa. 19:1-7
Psa. 8:1-6 - Isa. 40:12-28; 57:15 - Rom. 1:20

FCoulter
08-27-2012, 06:12
God the Father.

God the Father is the supreme, glorious, divine Spirit Being Who is the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. God the Father accomplishes His will through the power of His Holy Spirit. God the Father, Who has all power and all authority, is love. He has perfect, holy character and is full of grace and mercy. God the Father is greater than His Son Jesus Christ but shares all that He has with His Son. God the Father sent Jesus Christ, His Son, to reveal the Father’s love and grace and His magnificent plan for all mankind. God the Father directly calls each individual to salvation, grants repentance, and imparts the Holy Spirit as a begettal, so that the individual becomes a child of God the Father. God the Father Himself personally loves each one He calls and is directly involved in the life of each individual, continually imparting His love, grace, mercy and blessings so that he or she can develop His loving, perfect, righteous character. He personally hears and answers the prayers of all His begotten children.
Scriptural References
I John 4:8, 16 - John 6:44 - John 8:16-18
John 1:1-2, 17-18 - John 14:28 - Eph. 3:14-19
John 16:27 - Heb. 1:1-2; 2:3-9 - Eph. 4:4-6
Matt. 11:27 - I Cor. 15:24-28 - Rev. 21:22

FCoulter
08-27-2012, 06:13
God the Son, Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Prior to His human birth, the Elohim of the God Family, Who became the Son, eternally existed with the Elohim of the God Family Who became the Father. All things were created by God the Father through God the Son. The Son is revealed in the Old Testament as the Lord God and Lawgiver and in the New Testament as the Word of God. In order to become the Savior of all mankind, He willingly divested Himself of His position in the God Family, giving up His majesty, glory and power, to become a fleshly human being, born of the virgin Mary and begotten of God the Father, Who directed that He be named Jesus. His full New Covenant name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. As a human being having sinful human flesh, He was subject to the same temptations as every human being, yet He never sinned. As the perfect Lamb of God, He gave Himself to be God the Father’s special, unique sacrifice through the crucifixion as an atonement for the sins of all mankind. After being dead in the grave for three days and three nights, He was resurrected to eternal life through the power of God the Father, becoming the Firstborn from among the dead. He was again invested with the full divine nature and power of the God Family. He ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father as mankind’s High Priest, Advocate and Intercessor and Head of His Church. Jesus Christ will return to earth in the power and glory of His Father to establish the Kingdom and government of God on the earth. As King of kings and Lord of lords, He will rule the earth forever with His brothers and sisters, the children of God the Father.
Scriptural References
John 1:1-3 - Phil. 2:6-11 - Eph. 1:6-23
Heb. 2:9-14 - Heb. 4:14-16 - Heb. 5:7-9
Rom. 8:3, 29 - Rev. 1:5, 13-16 - Rev. 5:9-10
Rom. 5:8 - John 3:16 - John 17:1-26
I John 2:1-2 - Rev. 13:8 - Col. 1:14-20

FCoulter
08-27-2012, 06:14
The Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is not a person or a third member of a so-called trinity. The Holy Spirit is the power by which God the Father and God the Son accomplish Their will. The impregnation of the Holy Spirit from God the Father as a spiritual begettal is granted freely to each believer upon repentance of sins, baptism by immersion, and the laying on of hands. This begettal of the Holy Spirit is the earnest and assurance of the promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. It is the power of God, which makes each begotten child of God a partaker of the divine nature and imparts the ability to develop the love of God. The fruits of the Holy Spirit are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and self-control. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit imparts the power to each individual to live in accordance with God’s will and to overcome the temptations of human nature, the world, and Satan. As the spiritually begotten believer seeks to serve and obey God the Father and Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will lead him or her into all Truth that is contained in the Word of God and is essential for salvation.
Scriptural References
Gen. 1:2 Acts 2:38 John 14:16, 26
Rom. 8:9-14 I Cor. 2:9-10 Acts 8:15-17; 19:6
Gal. 5:22-23 II Tim. 1:6-7 Eph. 1:13-14
II Cor. 1:21-22 Isa. 55:1-3 John 7:37-39
I John 3:9-11 I John 4:4-8 II Pet. 1:1-11

Kingarthurhk
08-27-2012, 16:30
The Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is not a person or a third member of a so-called trinity. The Holy Spirit is the power by which God the Father and God the Son accomplish Their will. The impregnation of the Holy Spirit from God the Father as a spiritual begettal is granted freely to each believer upon repentance of sins, baptism by immersion, and the laying on of hands. This begettal of the Holy Spirit is the earnest and assurance of the promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. It is the power of God, which makes each begotten child of God a partaker of the divine nature and imparts the ability to develop the love of God. The fruits of the Holy Spirit are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and self-control. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit imparts the power to each individual to live in accordance with God’s will and to overcome the temptations of human nature, the world, and Satan. As the spiritually begotten believer seeks to serve and obey God the Father and Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will lead him or her into all Truth that is contained in the Word of God and is essential for salvation.
Scriptural References
Gen. 1:2 Acts 2:38 John 14:16, 26
Rom. 8:9-14 I Cor. 2:9-10 Acts 8:15-17; 19:6
Gal. 5:22-23 II Tim. 1:6-7 Eph. 1:13-14
II Cor. 1:21-22 Isa. 55:1-3 John 7:37-39
I John 3:9-11 I John 4:4-8 II Pet. 1:1-11




Nice copy paste from your leader. However, I have given you scripture where it specifically mentions all three working in concert and it specifically states The Holy Spirit, not a holy spirit. But, if you deny The Holy Spirit, it explains a lot.

NMG26
08-27-2012, 18:09
As war like at Christians, Islam, and Judaism are is there any doubt that the God of war is the father of all three?

Judaism chose the God of war so that they could win in battle.
Christianity takes after Judaism. Father Abraham is the father of all three.

These three religions are responsible for much war. They believe that there will be a final war to end all things where God will step in and finish it.

This is part of the consciousness of many Americans. They Believe in this final war to end all things, and begin the reign of God. What is kept in mind, perpetuates, and comes to past. That is why this mind-frame is dangerous.
An example is 911. Faith brought 911 to pass.......not God.


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FCoulter
08-28-2012, 06:11
Nice copy paste from your leader. However, I have given you scripture where it specifically mentions all three working in concert and it specifically states The Holy Spirit, not a holy spirit. But, if you deny The Holy Spirit, it explains a lot.
My "leader" is Jesus Christ, do you know who He is?

He is not Michael the arch angel as your leader "baal" wants to deceive you into thinking.


I see you didnt read or look up the scripture I posted, I am not surprised, it would cause too many issues for you to handle at this time.


I never said the Holy Spirit was "A" Holy Spirit and not "The".


You implied that.


The Holy Spirit,however, is not a seperate person or a seperate God.


If you want to teach this pagan concept you need to bebetter at telling lies...go talk to Vic, ...lol

Animal Mother
08-28-2012, 06:23
King, since not one verse you psyed supports a pagan trinity, nor does any of the prove the Holy Spirit as a sepetate God. You're a polytheist then?

FCoulter
08-28-2012, 08:06
You're a polytheist then?
I believe in a God family, consisting of 2 at this time, however, Jesus described in john 17 the oneness of the God family.

Jesus whom was the Word from the beginning with the Father. Is one in thought and action with the Father.


Jesus also asked that christians strive to be one also. Once a true christian has endured to the end, and is then " born again" they will be born into the God family and share the oneness with the Father and Son.


At this time No Man has been born into the Family!

Geko45
08-28-2012, 08:42
Why so much concern over something that you don't even believe in?

What's it any of your concern if the Bible has contradictions, you don't believe a word of it anyway?

Because people like you want to insist that others live by what it proclaims regardless of whether or not they believe it. Or, have you conveniently forgotten the bigoted, homophobic stance you took on gay marriage just a short while ago?

Bren
08-28-2012, 09:50
Interesting video which explains a lot of the conflicting accounts in the bible.

Isaac Asimov wrote some interesting stuff about that - like the 2 different versions of Genesis that show different beliefs about what a god is and the likely difference between the times in which they were written. pretty interesting.

This thread seems to be an illustration of the problem with the bible's internal conflicts.

Kingarthurhk
08-28-2012, 15:33
My "leader" is Jesus Christ, do you know who He is? [/quoute[

According to you, Fred Coulter. The person you copy and paste from.

[quote]
He is not Michael the arch angel as your leader "baal" wants to deceive you into thinking.

You've been watching too much "Star Gate".


I see you didnt read or look up the scripture I posted, I am not surprised, it would cause too many issues for you to handle at this time.

I gave you scripture, you gave me Fred Culter.


I never said the Holy Spirit was "A" Holy Spirit and not "The".

So, you only accept 2/3's of the God Head?


The Holy Spirit,however, is not a seperate person or a seperate God.

The plethora of scripture I gave you says otherwise, and I was only about halfway done.


If you want to teach this pagan concept you need to bebetter at telling lies...go talk to Vic, ...lol

I am preaching from the Bible. In return you gave me a copy paste from Fed Culter, once again not giving him credit.

Animal Mother
08-28-2012, 21:27
You're a polytheist then?

I believe in a God family, consisting of 2 at this time, however, Jesus described in john 17 the oneness of the God family.

Jesus whom was the Word from the beginning with the Father. Is one in thought and action with the Father.


Jesus also asked that christians strive to be one also. Once a true christian has endured to the end, and is then " born again" they will be born into the God family and share the oneness with the Father and Son.


At this time No Man has been born into the Family!

Couldn't you have just said yes?

IhRedrider
08-28-2012, 21:48
Anybody who listens to what an atheists says what a Jew believes, is a fool.

NMG26
08-29-2012, 03:41
Anybody who listens to what an atheists says what a Jew believes, is a fool.

I wish Jewish people would talk about their beliefs more. We all get it from somewhere and uselessly not from a Jewish person. I wonder if the Jewish religion still practices animal sacrifice in order to appease God?



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Bren
08-29-2012, 04:17
Anybody who listens to what an atheists says what a Jew believes, is a fool.

Are they more a fool than somebody who can't explain why the information is wrong, so they have to respond with "he's an atheist, don't listen!"?

I'd say probably not.

FCoulter
08-29-2012, 05:57
[quote=FCoulter;19357312]My "leader" is Jesus Christ, do you know who He is? [/quoute[

According to you, Fred Coulter. The person you copy and paste from.



You've been watching too much "Star Gate".



I gave you scripture, you gave me Fred Culter.



So, you only accept 2/3's of the God Head?



The plethora of scripture I gave you says otherwise, and I was only about halfway done.



I am preaching from the Bible. In return you gave me a copy paste from Fed Culter, once again not giving him credit.

You really need to pay closer attention.


I did NOT give you a copy and paste from Fred Coulter!


I gave you an answer, I used came from the statement of beliefs of the CBCG, NOT Fred Coulter.


Also after each one were all the scriptural ref. to back it all up. You,however, as usual were to lazy to even read it.


You are worse than a 5 yr old in the way you approach things.




The scripture you gave does NOT support what you claim at all.


If you wish I will start a thread about the Trinity and answer every verse you posted and then some, and show your errors.


The Trinity and its concept came from paganisn NOT the true God.

muscogee
08-29-2012, 06:12
As war like at Christians, Islam, and Judaism are is there any doubt that the God of war is the father of all three?

Judaism chose the God of war so that they could win in battle.
Christianity takes after Judaism. Father Abraham is the father of all three.

These three religions are responsible for much war. They believe that there will be a final war to end all things where God will step in and finish it.

This is part of the consciousness of many Americans. They Believe in this final war to end all things, and begin the reign of God. What is kept in mind, perpetuates, and comes to past. That is why this mind-frame is dangerous.
An example is 911. Faith brought 911 to pass.......not God.


.

I never considered this before. Great points. Especially the first one.

Kingarthurhk
08-29-2012, 16:05
You really need to pay closer attention.

I did.



I did NOT give you a copy and paste from Fred Coulter!


I gave you an answer, I used came from the statement of beliefs of the CBCG, NOT Fred Coulter.

So, what you are saying is that you didn't plagarize Fed Culter, only the doctrines of the church of Fred Culter?


Also after each one were all the scriptural ref. to back it all up. You,however, as usual were to lazy to even read it.

Actually, I was astute enough to quote my sources as listed from their source. I didn't copy and paste doctrines and then pretend they were my own words.


You are worse than a 5 yr old in the way you approach things.

As I have told people with your similar use of consistant and constant ad hominem. If I valued your opinion, I might actually be insulted.



The scripture you gave does NOT support what you claim at all.

Did you read them, or did you go to the Fred Culter website to consult the doctrines of the church of Fed Culter?


If you wish I will start a thread about the Trinity and answer every verse you posted and then some, and show your errors.

Please do. However, try to do it without plagarizing Culterisms this time please.


The Trinity and its concept came from paganisn NOT the true God.

I'd like to think they borrowed it from Christianity, in much the same way you borrow from Mr. Culter.

FCoulter
08-29-2012, 17:23
I did.




So, what you are saying is that you didn't plagarize Fed Culter, only the doctrines of the church of Fred Culter?



Actually, I was astute enough to quote my sources as listed from their source. I didn't copy and paste doctrines and then pretend they were my own words.



As I have told people with your similar use of consistant and constant ad hominem. If I valued your opinion, I might actually be insulted.




Did you read them, or did you go to the Fred Culter website to consult the doctrines of the church of Fed Culter?



Please do. However, try to do it without plagarizing Culterisms this time please.



I'd like to think they borrowed it from Christianity, in much the same way you borrow from Mr. Culter.
No dim one, I copied from the statement of beliefs from the CBCG, Jesus is the head of the Church. If you have a problem do something you seldom do and drop to your knees and take Him up on it.

Also I never claimed it tobe my own words, unlike you my youtube loving friend.


If you really want to be taught the truth about thr trinity I will gladly lay all evidence at your feet, but will you bother accepting it? I doubt it since EW didnt say it was so, or did she? Think about that one Little foot.

IhRedrider
08-29-2012, 20:33
nmg26,

I wish Jewish people would talk about their beliefs more.

If you really wish to know what a Jew believes, find one and ask them. It's really not that hard, unless you simply wish to belittle them and disparage their beliefs. Then you will not gain anything useful.

IhRedrider
08-29-2012, 20:40
Are they more a fool than somebody who can't explain why the information is wrong, so they have to respond with "he's an atheist, don't listen!"?


Your logic and command of English is unmatched by even those of sub average intelligence.

NMG26
08-29-2012, 20:45
nmg26,



If you really wish to know what a Jew believes, find one and ask them. It's really not that hard, unless you simply wish to belittle them and disparage their beliefs. Then you will not gain anything useful.

Maybe one will be put in my way soon who can explain your faith to me. The problem I have with Christainity is that they don't have faith for this world. Their faith is all about the future and a future glory. Some are extreme in this but all have it in their consciousness.

What about the Jews?

Geko45
08-29-2012, 21:09
Your logic and command of English is unmatched by even those of sub average intelligence.

Upset that his post didn't provide any illustrations?

:dunno:

mj9mm
08-29-2012, 21:17
to fcoulter: as we all know, a little knowledge can be dangerous. a little research of "Elohim" will show that it may be plural or singular, depending on supporting nouns, adverbs and verbs. please don't assume to interpret scripture without a better understanding of biblical languages and their usage.

FCoulter
08-30-2012, 08:15
to fcoulter: as we all know, a little knowledge can be dangerous. a little research of "Elohim" will show that it may be plural or singular, depending on supporting nouns, adverbs and verbs. please don't assume to interpret scripture without a better understanding of biblical languages and their usage.
At what point was I in error?

Please show me and we will discuss it.

FCoulter
08-30-2012, 11:19
It is a reference to what we find in scripture, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are seperate, but coequal and in one accord. They are the God Head, which the term Trinity comes into play, though you won't find the term "Trinity" in the bible. However, you will find God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all referenced.
What I find amusing about you is the fact you dont even ubderstand SDA doctrine. They dont teach traditional "trinity" they infact teach "Tritheism".


King, study some more then you can play with the big boys.

Green_Manelishi
08-30-2012, 11:39
Interesting video which explains a lot of the conflicting accounts in the bible.


The only "conflict" is between Himself standing at the door and knocking, whilst you refuse to open it. No worries though, He won't kick it in.

Beware Owner
08-30-2012, 11:40
Because people like you want to insist that others live by what it proclaims regardless of whether or not they believe it. Or, have you conveniently forgotten the bigoted, homophobic stance you took on gay marriage just a short while ago?

GT is the last place I'd ever think I'd see anything so leftist and ignorant so easily thrown around such as "bigoted" and "homophobic" to anyone who disagrees with such a detrimental lifestyle. Sad. :upeyes:

Geko45
08-30-2012, 12:22
GT is the last place I'd ever think I'd see anything so leftist ...

Strange, I always considered the fierce protection of individual liberties as a far right ideal.

Beware Owner
08-30-2012, 12:39
Strange, I always considered the fierce protection of individual liberties as a far right ideal.

Marriage isn't even a right to begin with.

High-Gear
08-30-2012, 12:46
Marriage isn't even a right to begin with.

So marriage is a privilige, granted by whom?

Beware Owner
08-30-2012, 12:50
So marriage is a privilige, granted by whom?

I have a good read for you, look this up: Same Sex "Marriage" is not a Civil Right

muscogee
08-30-2012, 13:01
GT is the last place I'd ever think I'd see anything so leftist and ignorant so easily thrown around such as "bigoted" and "homophobic" to anyone who disagrees with such a detrimental lifestyle. Sad. :upeyes:

I've got a good read for you. It's 1 Corinthians chapter 13.

Beware Owner
08-30-2012, 13:06
I've got a good read for you. It's 1 Corinthians chapter 13.

What does that have to do with anything?

muscogee
08-30-2012, 14:16
What does that have to do with anything?

Something about sounding brass and tinkling silver.

Geko45
08-30-2012, 15:14
Marriage isn't even a right to begin with.

Another good read for you, the 10th amendment to the Constitution.

Kingarthurhk
08-30-2012, 16:05
No dim one, I copied from the statement of beliefs from the CBCG, Jesus is the head of the Church. If you have a problem do something you seldom do and drop to your knees and take Him up on it.

Bert, is that you? If it is, it's not funny anymore.


Also I never claimed it tobe my own words, unlike you my youtube loving friend.

You never claimed it wasn't either, and that is the point. And it is true, I do enjoy youtube.


If you really want to be taught the truth about thr trinity I will gladly lay all evidence at your feet, but will you bother accepting it? I doubt it since EW didnt say it was so, or did she? Think about that one Little foot.

I didn't give you EW, I gave you the bible. In return you gave me insults and a copy paste from the church of Fred Culter.

FCoulter
08-30-2012, 16:11
Bert, is that you? If it is, it's not funny anymore.



You never claimed it wasn't either, and that is the point. And it is true, I do enjoy youtube.



I didn't give you EW, I gave you the bible. In return you gave me insults and a copy paste from the church of Fred Culter.

See you wrong again as usual, the CBCG is NOT the church of Fred Coulter, sorry you are so used to a church belonging tona person such as EW's group.


Point is you are as confused as EW was.


She didnt know if she was a trinitarian or not. So she as she always did copied from the mormons and adapted a Tritheists beliefs system.


Carry on ol confused one.

High-Gear
08-30-2012, 16:36
I have a good read for you, look this up: Same Sex "Marriage" is not a Civil Right

I read your bit of propaganda and there were several logic fallacies. I found myself substituting "black" for "homosexual" and it was reminiscent of early 1900's anti black drivel, full of lies and false conclusions.


I contend marriage is a religious right, and if you believe in the constitution,you should support gay marriage!

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster learned from devine revelation that "He" (FSM) created all things including homosexuals, and "HE" commands as a religious obligation that all homosexual people be married to a same sex spouse. Therefore it IS a religious right protected by the 1A. To deny it would be prohibiting the free exercise of a recognized religion!

Kingarthurhk
08-30-2012, 16:57
See you wrong again as usual, the CBCG is NOT the church of Fred Coulter, sorry you are so used to a church belonging tona person such as EW's group.

Seriously, Bert, I am just not amused by this anymore. Fred, as Harry Anderson used to say, "If that is your real name," isn't your church founded and led by Fred Culter, and did he not write all your doctrines? Ergo, you you gave me plagarized Fred Culter. At any rate, EW didn't write my bible, but some guy named Fred Culter wrote yours.


Point is you are as confused as EW was.

But, we have no fear, Fred Culter will show us the way to be nasty and rude to everyone we meet.:upeyes:


She didnt know if she was a trinitarian or not. So she as she always did copied from the mormons and adapted a Tritheists beliefs system.


Carry on ol confused one.

I think you are one who is confused. You have more in common with the Mormons as their leader wrote their bible as well.

FCoulter
08-30-2012, 17:59
Seriously, Bert, I am just not amused by this anymore. Fred, as Harry Anderson used to say, "If that is your real name," isn't your church founded and led by Fred Culter, and did he not write all your doctrines? Ergo, you you gave me plagarized Fred Culter. At any rate, EW didn't write my bible, but some guy named Fred Culter wrote yours.



But, we have no fear, Fred Culter will show us the way to be nasty and rude to everyone we meet.:upeyes:



I think you are one who is confused. You have more in common with the Mormons as their leader wrote their bible as well.
Now, now, you are confused and I will prove it.

The COG has been around long before Fred Coulter,
Alot of the material on the web page are from various authors besides Fred.
Phillip Neal and Duncan McCloud to name a couple. Dont worry there are many more.


As for the Bible being written by Fred, what a grave error on your part this is little foot.


Fred translated the New Test into a modern translation, Michael Heiss translated the OT into a modern translation.




You never have a clue what your talking about. This is common among brain washed recruits of cults such as yours.



You claim to a trinitarian beliefs no?


Did EW ever make a claim to be a trinitarian?


The answer will only confuse you more, so I apologize.

IhRedrider
08-30-2012, 21:15
nmg26

Maybe one will be put in my way soon who can explain your faith to me. The problem I have with Christainity is that they don't have faith for this world. Their faith is all about the future and a future glory. Some are extreme in this but all have it in their consciousness.

What about the Jews?


I am afraid that I am unqualified to answer the questions that I think you have. Part of the problem maybe that you are viewing the "Jews" as a cohesive group that all hold the same or even similar beliefs and understandings. I have not seen that to be the case. I can only tell you what I believe, and nobody on the internet really cares what anybody else on the internet believes. Sorry I can't help.

mj9mm
08-30-2012, 21:24
At what point was I in error?

Please show me and we will discuss it.
You seem to be a smart man, just do a few searches on the definition and usage of ''Elohim"

Kingarthurhk
08-31-2012, 04:51
Now, now, you are confused and I will prove it.

The COG has been around long before Fred Coulter,
Alot of the material on the web page are from various authors besides Fred.
Phillip Neal and Duncan McCloud to name a couple. Dont worry there are many more.

Interesting. So, which one of them did you plagarize? I give you scripture, and you give me a copy paste from doctrine written by one of these guys. Are you not secure in your position?


As for the Bible being written by Fred, what a grave error on your part this is little foot.


Fred translated the New Test into a modern translation, Michael Heiss translated the OT into a modern translation.


When someone has to re-engineer an entire bible to make it say what they want it to say, rather than what it actually says, that is extremely cultish and disturbing. I guess it is no wonder when I give you scripture, you dismiss it out of hand.

Also, what is your foot obsession? It is kind of creepy.


You never have a clue what your talking about. This is common among brain washed recruits of cults such as yours.

Why? Because it wasn't sanctioned by the many men you mentioned?



You claim to a trinitarian beliefs no?

I believe there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all working as one accord.


Did EW ever make a claim to be a trinitarian?

I think I finally understand why you are harping on this issue. If the thought isn't approved by the men you listed, in your view it is not valid.

The Bible, as independantly translated, without a particular doctrinal agenda to serve, if the only true source for Christian edification.


The answer will only confuse you more, so I apologize.

I am confident if what I believe based on scripture.

Kingarthurhk
08-31-2012, 05:48
It is amazing how intelligent people can dispense with logic when required to attempt and rationalize the contradictory accounts found throughout the Bible.

It require study with an attempt to gain knowledge rather than comming with preconceived bias. There is a harmonization that takes place. God wants to us to consider Him and think about Him, and learn. There is a reason in Job God uses the term, "Consider," It means He isn't simply going to give easy answers and softball everything to us. He wants to us learn and come to the proper conclusion through some effort.

FCoulter
08-31-2012, 05:50
Interesting. So, which one of them did you plagarize? I give you scripture, and you give me a copy paste from doctrine written by one of these guys. Are you not secure in your position?



When someone has to re-engineer an entire bible to make it say what they want it to say, rather than what it actually says, that is extremely cultish and disturbing. I guess it is no wonder when I give you scripture, you dismiss it out of hand.

Also, what is your foot obsession? It is kind of creepy.



Why? Because it wasn't sanctioned by the many men you mentioned?




I believe there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all working as one accord.



I think I finally understand why you are harping on this issue. If the thought isn't approved by the men you listed, in your view it is not valid.

The Bible, as independantly translated, without a particular doctrinal agenda to serve, if the only true source for Christian edification.



I am confident if what I believe based on scripture.
King I will try to type in simple terms for your understanding.

I copied from a statement of beliefs, why did I do this? Duh, because I agree with that statement of beliefs.
Its no difference than you posting youtube videos of your beliefs...lol


Fred and Michael never "re-engineered " the Bible. They merely translated it into a modern more easily accurate translation.


I bet you use a modern translation such as the NIV?
So give it a break little one. BTW the NIV does have a doctrinal agenda.


So, dont side step, please answer.




Are you a trinitarian or a tritheists?


If you like I will explain the differences.

Kingarthurhk
08-31-2012, 10:53
King I will try to type in simple terms for your understanding.

I copied from a statement of beliefs, why did I do this? Duh, because I agree with that statement of beliefs.
Its no difference than you posting youtube videos of your beliefs...lol

If I was going to give you a doctrinal statement of beliefs from my denomination's doctrine, I would cite it as such. Youtube videos inherently tell you who the original presenter is, and thus is allowing them to present their "intellectual property" as themselves rather than me saying that guy in the video is me, and this is my presentation.


Fred and Michael never "re-engineered " the Bible. They merely translated it into a modern more easily accurate translation.

Reorganized all the books, rewrote all them the to fit a particular agenda. That is not healthy. That is disturbing.


I bet you use a modern translation such as the NIV?
So give it a break little one. BTW the NIV does have a doctrinal agenda.

It doesn't, it a translation by linguistic experts, not wannabees for a particular church



So, dont side step, please answer.




Are you a trinitarian or a tritheists?


If you like I will explain the differences.

I believe what the bible teaches. There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Norske
08-31-2012, 15:12
Duh? :faint:

That's been common knowledge for about 3000 years.
Are you atheists just now finding out about it?

Why do you think the first commandment is Thou shalt have no other gods before me?

It put an end to the polytheism.

The entire Bible, the entire Hebrew and Christian Religions, follow from Genesis 12, 1 through 3.

"Now the Lord said to Abram, "Go forth from your country and your kindred and your fathers house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I wll bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you and I will curse, and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves".

Now DID THE "LORD SAID TO ABRAM" OR NOT?

Abram was just another wandering sheep and goat-herder, moving from one green patch of grass to another to keep his sheep and goats fed, like much of the rest of the entire human race at that time.

How do YOU, or I, or anyone else for the past 4,000 years or so, really KNOW that "The Lord Said to Abram" or not?

Or was "Abram" either intentionally lying, or insane; "hearing voices", and only thought the Lord was actually talking to him?

Oh, you accept that on "faith", eh?

Well here's one for you.

When my Great-great Grandfather was lying on his cot the night he hit Ellis Island after crossing from Norway, The Lord Said To Him; "Norske's G'G-Granfather, thy family owns all of the State of Minnesota. Go forth and claim it."

So, I am now notifying all current residents of Minnesota, except for my blood kin, of course, to pack up and move into the Dakotas, Iowa, and Wisconsin.

If you don't, the Norske clan is going to come in, march 7 times around your walls, blow a horn, your walls will come a'tumblin down, and then you really won't like what happens next.

And we are going to take our land back, 'cause "The Lord" told g'g'grandpa Norske we own it.

What? You don't believe "The Lord" actually talked to g'g'grandpa Norske? You think my g'g'grandpa Norske was either lying or insane when he told my family The Lord promised his family all of Minnesota? :dunno:

Hey, it's been COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the Norske clan for about 160 years now!

But you DO believe "The Lord said to Abram"..........:rofl:

Forget about "The Lord" actually writing the 10 Commandments.

Moses wrote them.

And he specifically wrote Commandments #1-4 for the specific purpose of buttressing his claim to temporal authority over the Hebrew nation he conned out of their relatively easy life along the Nile and out to starvation and death in the Deserts and Mountains.

It was their children, not them, who conquered "Israel", killed the inhabitants, and laid claim to those lands.

And all because "The Lord said to Abram".

Bren
08-31-2012, 15:26
And all because "The Lord said to Abram".

"Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God says, "No."
Abe says, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"

FCoulter
09-03-2012, 14:41
The Bible, as independantly translated, without a particular doctrinal agenda to serve, if the only true source.
I have some free time and since you king are an easy target,here goes.

You are a Hypocrite!


You rant and rave because the CBCG uses a modern Bible translation they feel is most accurate.


However, you fail to realize the sda church has their own Bible translation pushing adventist dogma.


Its called the The Clear Word Bible.

NMG26
09-03-2012, 14:52
Moses wrote them.

And he specifically wrote Commandments #1-4 for the specific purpose of buttressing his claim to temporal authority over the Hebrew nation he conned out of their relatively easy life along the Nile and out to starvation and death in the Deserts and Mountains.

It was their children, not them, who conquered "Israel", killed the inhabitants, and laid claim to those lands.

And all because "The Lord said to Abram".

Powerful stuff......back then.

That Moses character had some magic to back up his words that God was on his side.

Where is the magic now?

Kingarthurhk
09-03-2012, 17:30
Powerful stuff......back then.

That Moses character had some magic to back up his words that God was on his side.

Where is the magic now?

Matthew 16:1-4, "The Pharisees and Sadducees<sup class="crossreference" value='(B (http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23674B))'></sup> came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.<sup class="crossreference" value='(C (http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23674C))'></sup>
<sup class="versenum">2 </sup>He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.<sup class="footnote" value='[a (http://glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23676a)]'>[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23676a)]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(D (http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23676D))'></sup> <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”<sup class="crossreference" value='(E (http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23677E))'></sup> Jesus then left them and went away."

Kingarthurhk
09-03-2012, 17:44
I have some free time and since you king are an easy target,here goes.

You are a Hypocrite!


You rant and rave because the CBCG uses a modern Bible translation they feel is most accurate.


However, you fail to realize the sda church has their own Bible translation pushing adventist dogma.


Its called the The Clear Word Bible.

Matthew 16:23.

John 8:44-47.

1 Timothy 4:1-2.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

2 Petere 3:3

Matthew 24:12

2 Timothy 2:14-19

2 Timothy 3:1-5.

NMG26
09-03-2012, 18:01
Matthew 16:1-4, "The Pharisees and Sadducees<sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23674B&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>B</a>)"></sup> came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.<sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23674C&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>C</a>)"></sup>
<sup class="versenum">2 </sup>He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-23676a&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>a</a>]">[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23676a)]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23676D&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>D</a>)"></sup> <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”<sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-23677E&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>E</a>)"></sup> Jesus then left them and went away."

Nice.

So Moses showed the power of God a work for the chosen people, but it is wicked for any generations after that.

Probably one of those "Logical Fallacies" that I did not read the book. Even if I did, it takes a keen mind to point them out.

.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 12:38
I read your bit of propaganda and there were several logic fallacies. I found myself substituting "black" for "homosexual" and it was reminiscent of early 1900's anti black drivel, full of lies and false conclusions.

Apples to oranges. You're born black, but you're not born gay.

I contend marriage is a religious right, and if you believe in the constitution,you should support gay marriage!

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster learned from devine revelation that "He" (FSM) created all things including homosexuals, and "HE" commands as a religious obligation that all homosexual people be married to a same sex spouse. Therefore it IS a religious right protected by the 1A. To deny it would be prohibiting the free exercise of a recognized religion!

This is ridiculous. If you want to take it to a religious standpoint, then picture this: Yes, God created people, but He didn't make them gay. They chose to be gay.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 12:40
Another good read for you, the 10th amendment to the Constitution.

Which means that if The People don't want it, it cannot be forced upon them.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 12:42
Something about sounding brass and tinkling silver.

Oh, you drank the "hateful bigot" kool aid. I see. Well, let me explain it to you, you can disapprove of smoking while not hating smokers. Does that make sense to you?

Animal Mother
09-06-2012, 13:31
Apples to oranges. You're born black, but you're not born gay. You have definitive proof of this? Please do share.
This is ridiculous. If you want to take it to a religious standpoint, then picture this: Yes, God created people, but He didn't make them gay. They chose to be gay.Why would anyone choose to be gay? What's the benefit?

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 13:43
You have definitive proof of this? Please do share.

Twin studies
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch10.pdf

Gay neuroscientist Simon LeVay also attempted to prove it was innate and hormonal, yet he had to admit, and I quote:

"It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

Why would anyone choose to be gay? What's the benefit?

It's a disorder, just like pedophilia. It was on the books as such until Barbara Gittings and her hooligans terrorized the APA into taking it off in 1972.

Geko45
09-06-2012, 15:27
Which means that if The People don't want it, it cannot be forced upon them.

No, not really. Not even close. That's discussed elsewhere in the Constitution, but not in the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that we live in a pure democracy instead of a democratic republic. In a pure democracy, 51% of the population can vote to send the other 49% to death camps if they so choose. In our republic, an individual's civil rights are not up to popular vote.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 15:42
No, not really. Not even close. That's discussed elsewhere in the Constitution, but not in the 10th Amendment.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that we live in a pure democracy instead of a democratic republic. In a pure democracy, 51% of the population can vote to send the other 49% to death camps if they so choose. In our republic, an individual's civil rights are not up to popular vote.

Then, what powers are you talking about?

But you have yet to prove it's a right. As a matter of fact, why don't you prove how it's going to be anything positive for society.

muscogee
09-06-2012, 15:50
Oh, you drank the "hateful bigot" kool aid. I see. Well, let me explain it to you, you can disapprove of smoking while not hating smokers. Does that make sense to you?

This is what I mean by sounding brass and tinkling silver. You have no love. Thanks for making my point for me.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 15:56
This is what I mean by sounding brass and tinkling silver. You have no love. Thanks for making my point for me.

There are a lot of smokers I love, but I don't love their smoking, I don't get what you're saying.

muscogee
09-06-2012, 15:56
Which means that if The People don't want it, it cannot be forced upon them.

No it doesn't. If means that rights not enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are left up to the states to decide. That idea pretty much died when the C.S.A decided they wanted to leave the Union.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 15:58
No it doesn't. If means that rights not enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are left up to the states to decide. That idea pretty much died when the C.S.A decided they wanted to leave the Union.

OR the people.

muscogee
09-06-2012, 15:58
There are a lot of smokers I love, but I don't love their smoking, I don't get what you're saying.

You're being hateful while accusing me of being hateful even though you served a God who condemns hate.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 16:00
You're being hateful while accusing me of being hateful even though you served a God who condemns hate.

You must be high. Show me where I accused you of being hateful and how I am being hateful.

muscogee
09-06-2012, 16:09
You must be high. Show me where I accused you of being hateful and how I am being hateful.

Post 77. You're playing pubescent word games.

Beware Owner
09-06-2012, 16:15
Oh, you drank the "hateful bigot" kool aid. I see. Well, let me explain it to you, you can disapprove of smoking while not hating smokers. Does that make sense to you?

You're talking about this. Let me be more clear, if I wasn't clear enough the first time. What I meant was that you are one of those who copies their philosophy of "if they don't agree with me they're hateful bigots". I wasn't saying you were a hateful bigot, but that you thought I was because I had the audacity to disagree based on documented research. It's like you telling me that I hate you because I tell you that smoking is bad for your health.

Post 77. You're playing pubescent word games.

Is that better?

Kingarthurhk
09-06-2012, 17:49
Oh, you drank the "hateful bigot" kool aid. I see. Well, let me explain it to you, you can disapprove of smoking while not hating smokers. Does that make sense to you?

Actaully, Muscogee is pretty nice and compassionate guy once you get to know him.

muscogee
09-06-2012, 19:00
You're talking about this. Let me be more clear, if I wasn't clear enough the first time. What I meant was that you are one of those who copies their philosophy of "if they don't agree with me they're hateful bigots".
Straw man. Never said that.

I wasn't saying you were a hateful bigot,
Yes, you were. Now you're being dishonest.

but that you thought I was because I had the audacity to disagree based on documented research. Disagree all you want, but don't expect any respect when you resort to baseless personal attacks and other logical fallacies.

Is that better?

Yes it is. I don't claim to be a Christian so I'm not under the constraints you are. Calling me a hateful bigot makes you a hypocrite. How does what you said square with 1 Corinthians 13.

Animal Mother
09-06-2012, 22:36
Twin studies
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch10.pdf I asked for definitive proof, and while this particular book tries to present it as if such proof exists, even they are forced to equivocate.
Gay neuroscientist Simon LeVay also attempted to prove it was innate and hormonal, yet he had to admit, and I quote:

"It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain." I don't think anyone argues at this point that homosexuality is exclusively genetic, but the influence of both genetics and other physical factors certainly hasn't been ruled out.
It's a disorder, just like pedophilia. It was on the books as such until Barbara Gittings and her hooligans terrorized the APA into taking it off in 1972.Animals have mental disorders? Even if this is the case, aren't disorders, like schizophrenia, natural?

High-Gear
09-07-2012, 00:30
Apples to oranges. You're born black, but you're not born gay.

This is ridiculous. If you want to take it to a religious standpoint, then picture this: Yes, God created people, but He didn't make them gay. They chose to be gay.
So sexuality is a choice eh? At one point in your life did you choose to be straight? No? Oh, you were born that way, huh? Same for gay people, they are born that way.

The FSM says he did create them gay. Prove he didn't!

NMG26
09-07-2012, 00:42
The FSM says he did create them gay. Prove he didn't!

FSM is male?

:faint:

Kingarthurhk
09-07-2012, 04:18
So sexuality is a choice eh? At one point in your life did you choose to be straight? No? Oh, you were born that way, huh? Same for gay people, they are born that way.

The FSM says he did create them gay. Prove he didn't!

Proclivity might be ingrained by abuse. In fact, I think if you look back at a lot of homosexuals, a common denominator you will find is early childhood sexualization and sexual abuse. That being said, the sex act itself is a choice. I could choose not to be with my wife for the rest of our marriage. She wouldn't like it, but I could choose to do so. My proclivity is toward her and women in general. My choice is to have relations with her. The desire and the act are two different things.

Animal Mother
09-07-2012, 04:53
Proclivity might be ingrained by abuse. In fact, I think if you look back at a lot of homosexuals, a common denominator you will find is early childhood sexualization and sexual abuse. Some studies have found this to be true, others have not.
That being said, the sex act itself is a choice. I could choose not to be with my wife for the rest of our marriage. She wouldn't like it, but I could choose to do so. My proclivity is toward her and women in general. My choice is to have relations with her. The desire and the act are two different things.Could your wife make the same choice?

High-Gear
09-07-2012, 06:28
Proclivity might be ingrained by abuse. In fact, I think if you look back at a lot of homosexuals, a common denominator you will find is early childhood sexualization and sexual abuse. That being said, the sex act itself is a choice. I could choose not to be with my wife for the rest of our marriage. She wouldn't like it, but I could choose to do so. My proclivity is toward her and women in general. My choice is to have relations with her. The desire and the act are two different things.

If you knew the truth, you would realize a common denominator in all groups of children would be sexual abuse. I am not saying all kids are sexually abused, but it is rampant enough you would find victims in any gender, race, religious, socio-economic, and future sexuality group. Correlation does ot equal causation?


I think if it makes two consenting adults happy, they should choose that, rather than chosing to deny the physical expression of their love for another human being to satisfy someone elses judgement. It is no one elses business.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 11:40
Who you have sex with is a choice. But who you are attracted to is not. No one chooses to be attracted to someone. They just are. For probably a million different events during the very early stages of our development that we have no control over. The question is why would anyone try to deny who they are? If you're a man and attracted to other men... that's ok. Why would you hide it? Because some 3,000 year old bronze age mythology says so. That's nonsense. There is no reason to fear Santa, the Easter Bunny, or God. Religious people can stand in judgement all they want... nobody cares. Eventually Gay Marriage will be approved, it's just a matter of time. Just like abortion and prayer in school... religious people fought and fought and there was much whaling and gnashing of teeth but ultimately they lost. And they'll lose this as well.

Geko45
09-12-2012, 14:37
FSM is male?

:faint:

He has two meatballs and a noodly appendage.