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MrLawless1
08-28-2012, 02:41
Hey all,

I live in California (I know, I know...) and own a Glock 23. I only get 10 shots per clip.

What is the best ammo for home defense (an apartment, actually) with no lines of sight more than 25 feet?

How many rounds should I practice with using this ammo vs the Federal I normally shoot at the range (usually about 200-300 rds per trip)? Will I see a drastic difference in performance, recoil, grouping?

Thanks in advance for helping me out. I'm new to shooting (bought my Glock in Feb) and appreciate all the advice you care to give me!!!

PS- sorry if this info is in another thread. I kinda wish they'd break up the forums here by category a bit better....

fortheboys
08-28-2012, 05:20
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

You can start here but standby for several different answers.
Research frangible rounds also but always make sure whatever you choose feeds in your gun with 100 percent reliability. Usually the lighter rounds in the caliber will penetrate less but it also depends on the design of the bullet.
Good luck.

glock2740
08-28-2012, 05:29
I prefer 155gr Gold Dots, with 165gr Gold Dots being a close second, but there are many great SD loads for the .40S&W.

DannyR
08-28-2012, 05:41
It's hard to tell, as dead people don't talk.:wavey:

2-tap
08-28-2012, 05:50
First lesson.....its not a "clip" its a magazine lol. Sorry had to do it.

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jph02
08-28-2012, 05:56
I use Winchester Ranger Ts, 165gr for SD/HD. My range rounds are also 165gr so there's little to no difference in practice vs. real world application.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

You can start here but standby for several different answers.
Research frangible rounds also but always make sure whatever you choose feeds in your gun with 100 percent reliability. Usually the lighter rounds in the caliber will penetrate less but it also depends on the design of the bullet.
Good luck.
Your Glock's not likely to have any issues with quality, name-brand rounds. It is a good idea to verify though, and I think it's helpful to put a box of your SD/HD rounds through the gun every now and then for your own experience with it.

Raleigh Glocker
08-28-2012, 07:02
Winchester Ranger T-Series are usually available for relatively reasonable prices in bulk from places like sgammo.com. That is my go-to round for SD in all pistol calibers.

Andy W
08-28-2012, 08:33
Winchester Ranger-T 165 grain is very popular. That being said, being able to shoot your gun well and put rounds where they need to go is really more important than having the "best" self defense round.

spcwes
08-28-2012, 09:48
Everyone in my area carry 165gr Gold Dots, the hotter version offered by CCI/Speer. I would recommend any Gold Dot loading though and the Ranger T stuff is great as well.

OrGlocker
08-28-2012, 09:52
180 Grain Speer Gold Dot. If it's good enough for street cops to carry then it's good enough for me.

dakrat
08-28-2012, 10:02
honestly, any premium brand self defense load will work. find one that:

1. feeds your pistol 100%
2. shoots accurately from your pistol
3. readily available
4. cheap enough to practice with.

good luck!

byf43
08-28-2012, 11:09
Hey all,

I live in California (I know, I know...) and own a Glock 23. I only get 10 shots per clip.
We won't hold that against you.


What is the best ammo for home defense (an apartment, actually) with no lines of sight more than 25 feet?

Any of the top name brands will do just fine.
This is mostly personal preference.
Me?? My G23 shoots Federal 165 gr "HST" extremely well, but, it digests Speer Gold Dots in the 165 gr weight, just as well.

How many rounds should I practice with using this ammo vs the Federal I normally shoot at the range (usually about 200-300 rds per trip)? Will I see a drastic difference in performance, recoil, grouping?

Practice as much as your wallet will tolerate, then go get a loan, and practice some more.
Sorry. I don't mean to sound sarcastic (that's a first!), but, you cannot 'practice too much'!




Thanks in advance for helping me out. I'm new to shooting (bought my Glock in Feb) and appreciate all the advice you care to give me!!!

Practice. Practice. Practice.
Concentrate on Front sight. Breath control. Trigger squeeze. Follow through. Repeat.
Seriously.



PS- sorry if this info is in another thread. I kinda wish they'd break up the forums here by category a bit better....


I'm just a visitor, here. I don't make the rules, and I don't try to tell the site owner and admins how to run their place.



Welcome to GT.

fuzzy03cls
08-28-2012, 11:23
honestly, any premium brand self defense load will work. find one that:

1. feeds your pistol 100%
2. shoots accurately from your pistol
3. readily available
4. cheap enough to practice with.

good luck!
+2
I carry either Ranger 180gr bonded JHP or 180gr Speer Gold Dot JHP.

barth
08-28-2012, 15:49
155/156 gr
Winchester Ranger T-Series
Federal HST
Speer GDHP

Naturally make sure your gun will run with them.
Also, if you're a perfectionist,
some guns will favor one round over others.

I'd feel confidant with any of the above.
But have to admit a preference for Winchester Ranger T-Series 165 gr.
http://cdn.firearmstalk.com/forums/attachments/f17/5890d1252700341-frangible-bullets-choice-home-defense-.45-ranger.jpg

Foxtrotx1
08-28-2012, 15:50
Come on, we all know the 9 is way better.

packinaglock
08-28-2012, 16:02
I prefer 155gr Gold Dots, with 165gr Gold Dots being a close second, but there are many great SD loads for the .40S&W.

Same here.

M 7
08-28-2012, 16:12
First lesson.....its not a "clip" its a magazine lol. Sorry had to do it.

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Of course you did....'cause no one knew what the heck he was talking about 'til you helped us all out. :upeyes:

Ranger45
08-28-2012, 17:14
Currently using 180gr Speer Gold Dots, but have 165gr Winchester Ranger Ts on order.

arushus
08-28-2012, 18:31
For use in your apartment, Id go with 155gr HST's, and 180gr HST's for self-defense outside the apartment. Winchester Ranger T's are a close second for me, but all the evidence Ive read indicates that HST's handle barriers better, and penetrate and expand equally good or better than the Rangers. So even though civilians have little need for barrier blind loads, why not carry something that can do it all?

Funny thing is, right now Im carrying Hornady Critical Duty rounds in my G27, theyre showing lots of promise!

JW1178
08-28-2012, 18:51
So many good options out there for the .40S&W it's hard to give you a good answer. I carry the 180 HST's in my G27. I like the 165's and 155's in the Gold Dots. My G27 loves the Silvertip Winchester (SuperX) but they don't perform too well doing my own testing. So.... really, just pick a good, premium, JHP and make sure it works well. See what your local LEO carries, that's a good indicator.


First lesson.....its not a "clip" its a magazine lol. Sorry had to do it.

:upeyes: Thanks for the info, DORK.

Of course you did....'cause no one knew what the heck he was talking about 'til you helped us all out. :upeyes:

:rofl: That's what I was thinking, and look at his post count.
Anyways, in CA, it might be a clip. I think Glocks shipped to CA have the sights mounted on the side don't they?

Come on, we all know the 9 is way better.

Don't get the fanboys all excited, they have to quell their insecurities somehow.

M 7
08-28-2012, 21:13
Anyways, in CA, it might be a clip. I think Glocks shipped to CA have the sights mounted on the side don't they?


Priceless, Jdub. Priceless.

MrLawless1
08-29-2012, 03:53
Thanks so much for all the name brand advice folks! Sincerely appreciated!!!

I'll definitely have fun trying out different brands, and fully agree that "practice, practice, practice" is the best prep of all.

(and I promise not to call 'em "clips" anymore!)

Btw... I was born/raised in Ky! It took moving to CA to make me want to buy a gun. Too many crazies out here....

cowboy1964
08-29-2012, 06:20
Come on, we all know the 9 is way better.

True, but he's limited to 10 round mags.

Tiger
08-29-2012, 15:46
Currently carrying 170gr Hornady Critical Duty.

mingaa
08-29-2012, 16:00
Winchester Ranger T-Series are usually available for relatively reasonable prices in bulk from places like sgammo.com. That is my go-to round for SD in all pistol calibers.
Yep - when I see it on sale I stock up the 155 and 165 are both close or at 500 Muzzle Energy ft/lbs. and at or close to 1200 fps - AND ACCURATE. :wow:

KoalKing
08-29-2012, 18:02
Any of the premium defense rounds that you gun can feed and you can shoot acurately. I prefer the 165 GD or the bonded Ranger T series. I also like the 165 Double Tap loaded with the GD bullet, very hot round.

jbglock
08-29-2012, 18:44
I prefer 180 grain myself. I'm a big believer in heavy for the caliber bullets and momentum vs. velocity. That said I was always impressed with the accuracy of Corbon 135grain JHP's in my 23C.

PghJim
09-01-2012, 11:17
155/156 gr
Winchester Ranger T-Series
Federal HST
Speer GDHP

Naturally make sure your gun will run with them.
Also, if you're a perfectionist,
some guns will favor one round over others.

I'd feel confidant with any of the above.
But have to admit a preference for Winchester Ranger T-Series 165 gr.
http://cdn.firearmstalk.com/forums/attachments/f17/5890d1252700341-frangible-bullets-choice-home-defense-.45-ranger.jpg

Barth is spot on, but there is a typo. It should be `155 - 165gr. Ranger T, HST, Gold Dot.

avenues165
09-01-2012, 23:09
I have been a fan of 165gr for .40 s&w. I have chosen Federal HST because my LGS stocks them and I can get 50 rounds for the same price as the other stuff sells for 20 rounds. However, they have started stocking 165gr GDs for the same price for 50, I may give those a try and see which I like better. I hear the GDs are hotter than the HSTs.

I have to admit I am curious about the 155gr loadings after all of the posts I have seen on GT singing their praises. I might have to try some.

I have not been a fan of 180gr loadings, but I may carry some in the winter for added penetration.

NEOH212
09-02-2012, 02:15
My preference is a 165 grain JHP loaded to reach a velocity of 1,150+ from a 4" barrel.

My two top loads of this type are Speer Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger-T series.

In .40, either of those two are all I'll carry.

(The Federal HST look promising but there isn't enough street data on them yet to make me comfortable carrying them.)

avenues165
09-02-2012, 12:13
My preference is a 165 grain JHP loaded to reach a velocity of 1,150+ from a 4" barrel.

My two top loads of this type are Speer Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger-T series.

In .40, either of those two are all I'll carry.

(The Federal HST look promising but there isn't enough street data on them yet to make me comfortable carrying them.)

The chrono data I have seen on Federal 165gr HST suggests that while they are labeled at 1,130fps that they actually are slower, coming in at ~1,050 to 1,100fps.

JW1178
09-02-2012, 17:03
I grabbed my g27 and took a milk jug filled with water and shot down at it. Dug this out of about a 4" hole it made in the hard packed georgia clay. Not that scientific but it expanded and held together well even when going through the hard clay. A lot of bullets come apart. Earlier shot into milk jugs with a shirt over it but messed up the test and it grazed the third jug but the tallon left a deep scratch that leaked water, telling me it was sharp. 227516

The 180gr HST is a soft shooter as well. Really don't know what people mean when they talk about this round being snappy. It is in 155, but 180's shoot soft, and dig deep.

Andy W
09-02-2012, 17:56
The chrono data I have seen on Federal 165gr HST suggests that while they are labeled at 1,130fps that they actually are slower, coming in at ~1,050 to 1,100fps.

Another thing I've observed in several tests of HST (online, not my own tests) rounds in both 9mm and .40 is that the heavier for caliber loads tend to perform better than the lighter ones. For instance the 147 grain HST in 9mm expanding larger but still penetrating to about the same depth as the 124 grain version. Same is true with the 180 grain .40 i believe.


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avenues165
09-02-2012, 18:49
Another thing I've observed in several tests of HST (online, not my own tests) rounds in both 9mm and .40 is that the heavier for caliber loads tend to perform better than the lighter ones. For instance the 147 grain HST in 9mm expanding larger but still penetrating to about the same depth as the 124 grain version. Same is true with the 180 grain .40 i believe.


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I have hear this on GT quite a bit, IIRC especially for the 9mm.

In 9mm I think I'd stick with the +p and +p+ 124/127 grain loads, JMHO.

Andy W
09-02-2012, 19:06
I have hear this on GT quite a bit, IIRC especially for the 9mm.

In 9mm I think I'd stick with the +p and +p+ 124/127 grain loads, JMHO.

I was only referring to the HST. Anything else it looks like the 124 grain +p 9mm load (or 127+p+) or 165 grain .40 is the better choice.

avenues165
09-02-2012, 19:15
I was only referring to the HST. Anything else it looks like the 124 grain +p 9mm load (or 127+p+) or 165 grain .40 is the better choice.

I knew what you meant. The 147HST and 180HST are really big expanders when compared to other HSTs. Speer GDs in 165gr recently became available to me at my LGS for the same price as the Federal HST. I plan to give them a try.

TNOutdoors9 is going to test the Federal .40 165gr HST soon. I am excited to see how it performs.

JW1178
09-02-2012, 20:27
Another thing I've observed in several tests of HST (online, not my own tests) rounds in both 9mm and .40 is that the heavier for caliber loads tend to perform better than the lighter ones. For instance the 147 grain HST in 9mm expanding larger but still penetrating to about the same depth as the 124 grain version. Same is true with the 180 grain .40 i believe.

This is true of HST. They open fast even with low velocities so much that they need the extra weight to push them through. Take a close look at how HST's are constructed, thick jacket with deep slits going down far, and it seems to be a steel wire stint like formation in the hollowpoint imbedded in the lead. The copper extends higher than the lead, as in the entrance to the hollowpoint, there is a lip of copper at the top.

Also, it seems those who chronograph the 180 vs. 165 seem to get similar velocities, about 100fps difference.

Hmmm... perhaps it would be interesting to see a 200 or heavier grain HST, although velosities would be about that of a .45. (if they don't like them, sell the bullets to Underwood and let them load it in 10mm) :devildance:

avenues165
09-02-2012, 23:56
Also, it seems those who chronograph the 180 vs. 165 seem to get similar velocities, about 100fps difference.

IIRC I have seen this as well