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Doc Pathfinder
08-31-2012, 15:27
I know it's not the best gun for self defence but what is the most effective ammo to carry in a Beretta Tomcat as a backup gun?

M 7
08-31-2012, 16:20
I'd go with 71 gr. FMJs.

DustyJacket
08-31-2012, 16:26
You want to be careful with hollowpoint loads that have a sherter overall length.

With .32ACP you can get rim lock. Pretty rare, but when it happened to me, it locked hard

Trigger Finger
08-31-2012, 17:14
I use either Winchester Silvertips or Federal Hydra-Shoks. Both are OK for this gun per Beretta. The Hydra-Shoks might be slightly better in expansion and price.

I usually have the round in the chamber a Silvertip or Hydra Shok and the remaining magazine filled with FMJ.

All of this talk about "rim lock" and other problems you might encounter is the same weather you are using hollow points in 32 ACP, 380 ACP or 9mm. I would not let it concern me. I do rotate my ammo about every two months however!

Kalmah
08-31-2012, 17:54
First choice; Sellier & Bellot 73gr FMJ.

Second choice; Fiocchi 73gr FMJ.

Both of those have a much higher muzzle velocity than any American brand.

M 7
08-31-2012, 18:05
I stand trumped...by two grains! :bowdown: That's 1/3500th of a pound. :animlol:

You got me, Kalmah! ;)

JW1178
08-31-2012, 18:20
I agree about the FMJ bullets because first of all, I don't really see the bullets expanding with that low amount of velosity and if they do, they won't penetrate well. Like said before, reliability is another issue.

Found this, not too shabby for a little .32.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=132

Trigger Finger
08-31-2012, 18:36
I agree about the FMJ bullets because first of all, I don't really see the bullets expanding with that low amount of velosity and if they do, they won't penetrate well. Like said before, reliability is another issue.

Found this, not too shabby for a little .32.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=132

The Buf bore loads are very very hot 32 ammo. HOWEVER, I defiantly would not shoot it in a Tomcat!!! Don't do it.
Not recommended by Beretta!

collim1
08-31-2012, 19:15
Another vote for FMJ.

DustyJacket
08-31-2012, 20:39
All of this talk about "rim lock" and other problems you might encounter is the same weather you are using hollow points in 32 ACP, 380 ACP or 9mm.

Not exactly.
The .32ACP is semi-rimmed. The others are not.
I had a Tomcat a couple or three months before it rimlocked.

I have shot thousands upon thousands of 9mm and .380ACP and never got a rimlock. In fact the only failures in 10,000 rounds or so of 9mm and .380ACP were with an Interarms PPK/S jam-o-matic.

Kalmah
08-31-2012, 22:37
I stand trumped...by two grains! :bowdown: That's 1/3500th of a pound. :animlol:

You got me, Kalmah! ;)
It's not the weight. As I pointed out, it's the muzzle velocity.

American brands are around 905 fps. S&B is 1043.

Trigger Finger
08-31-2012, 22:54
Not exactly.
The .32ACP is semi-rimmed. The others are not.
I had a Tomcat a couple or three months before it rimlocked.

I have shot thousands upon thousands of 9mm and .380ACP and never got a rimlock. In fact the only failures in 10,000 rounds or so of 9mm and .380ACP were with an Interarms PPK/S jam-o-matic.



DustyJ.. if what you say is true, then I stand corrected! I have fired about 800 to 1000 rounds of 32ACP in my Tomcat with No problems. Admittedly and embarrassingly I am not sure exactly what "rimlock" really is. :embarassed:

janice6
08-31-2012, 22:55
We are using Winchester Silver Tips in my wife's gun.

I recommend she keep shooting until they are all gone. More like buckshot that way, and she stands a better chance of stopping a threat.

cowboywannabe
08-31-2012, 22:59
Fmj...

mingaa
08-31-2012, 23:04
A pointed stick??

Sorry - sorry, couldn't resist!

DustyJacket
09-01-2012, 03:33
DustyJ.. if what you say is true, then I stand corrected! I have fired about 800 to 1000 rounds of 32ACP in my Tomcat with No problems. Admittedly and embarrassingly I am not sure exactly what "rimlock" really is. :embarassed:

It is not all that common. But when it happened it took me a while to get the top round out of the magazine after ejecting it. A good reason to carry spare mags.

Here is a fairly good explanation:
http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/rimlock.htm

It only happens when using semi-rimmed (like the .32ACP) and ammunition shorter than the magazine was designed for (like some hollowpoints).

I got rid of the tomcat shortly after it happened.

pimuk
09-01-2012, 04:05
My friend had a rim lock with the semi-rimmed .32 once in less than 500 round count.

4949shooter
09-01-2012, 04:30
DustyJ.. if what you say is true, then I stand corrected! I have fired about 800 to 1000 rounds of 32ACP in my Tomcat with No problems. Admittedly and embarrassingly I am not sure exactly what "rimlock" really is. :embarassed:

This is the first I have heard of it also. According to the explanation it apparently only occurs with a .32.

PghJim
09-01-2012, 10:50
You may only get one chance, but I would throw the gun. You would only increase a person's anger if you shot him with it, FMJ or not. Do not get me wrong, it can be lethal, but you can find a .380 pistol for the same size.

Darkangel1846
09-01-2012, 11:19
Buffalo Bore, Hydra shok, FMJ....all work. But it might take a while for it to slow up a BG.

M 7
09-01-2012, 20:53
It's not the weight. As I pointed out, it's the muzzle velocity.

American brands are around 905 fps. S&B is 1043.

I was just joking around, man.


:cool:

Doc Pathfinder
09-02-2012, 09:07
Thanks, I am going out to find some Winchester Silvertips to go with the Fiocchi FMJs that I have been shooting in it. Don't worry it's just a backup. I carry a Glock 26.

JD_19x9
09-02-2012, 09:38
You may only get one chance, but I would throw the gun. You would only increase a person's anger if you shot him with it, FMJ or not. Do not get me wrong, it can be lethal, but you can find a .380 pistol for the same size.

Almost, the Kel-Tec will disappear in your pocket. It has been very dependable 200 rounds (FMJ only). I don't use HPs for the .32; any American made good quality 71gr ball should do (I might try the S&B)...

Ruger LCP
Length: 5.16"
Width: 0.82"
Height: 3.60"
Weight: 9.40 oz.
Capacity: 6+1

Kel-Tec P32
Length: 5.1"
Width: .75"
Height: 3.5"
Weight: 6.6 oz.
Capacity: 7+1

Andy W
09-02-2012, 18:14
Is there any way you could get an LCP or a Sig P238 and carry that instead?

Safebustr
09-05-2012, 12:16
Silvertips seem to work well in my Tomcat stainless, never had rimlock but always carried a spare magazine just in case. I would rather have the 32 in my pocket than a 500 boomer home in the safe.

RYT 2BER
09-05-2012, 20:30
My wife carries a p32 from time to time... It has Hornady 32 acp loads.

I have done the 5 minute "flyer wire" modification to all the mags so a rim lock is basically out of the question.

hi-power man
09-06-2012, 18:29
You can find some interesting data here:

http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm

EKUJustice
09-07-2012, 12:06
run FMJ in the pocket gun where which I use only when no other option is avaliable as I hate not having the 1911 on me. I figure with the 32, your not going to get reliable expansion and penetration so Im going for penetration

Trigger Finger
09-07-2012, 13:29
My wife carries a p32 from time to time... It has Hornady 32 acp loads.

I have done the 5 minute "flyer wire" modification to all the mags so a rim lock is basically out of the question.


Please enlighten me. What is the "flyer wire" and can it be done to the Beretta Tomcat?

RYT 2BER
09-07-2012, 13:47
Please enlighten me. What is the "flyer wire" and can it be done to the Beretta Tomcat?


Yes, I have been told it can be done to any magazine... This is the instructions for a kel tec as that what it was "invented" for (keltec actually sells a kit for it believe it or not!?!)

However the instructions would be exactly the same for a tomcat or any other 32 as long as you can pop apart the mag...

Here are the instructions.. dont let them scare you its really easy...

http://www.ktrange.com/articles/a5/a5.html

Slightly other version

http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/flyerwire.htm

Trigger Finger
09-07-2012, 15:05
RYT 2BER, thanks for the information. I will attempt this on one of mags and see how it works.

RYT 2BER
09-07-2012, 17:35
RYT 2BER, thanks for the information. I will attempt this on one of mags and see how it works.

Let us know how you do.

Remember though, if you want to shoot ball you need to temporarily pull out the wire (fmj will not fit with the wire in), then when you're done just reassemble with the wire. I think I used a slightly thicker wire than mentioned in the instructions but you can try a couple of different thicknesses. You want it to be that the hp's fit but that they don't have so much slip around room .