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voonman
09-01-2012, 07:07
Hi Everyone

It has been a year or so since i did a review on one of my firearms and posted it live..I thought i would share with everyone here on my new glock 30 460 Rowland conversion :cool: that i did..i made a video on youtube and it tells you the difference between various calibers that i own.Tell me what you think..

Glock 30 460 Rowland Conversion Review Using High Capacity Magazines - YouTube

Glock 30 460 Rowland Conversion V.S Glock 21 50GI V.S Glock 39 45 GAP- YouTube

Shark1007
09-04-2012, 23:03
Thanks, pal, am thinking about the same. Any shooting video or impressions?

voonman
09-05-2012, 17:57
Hits like a sledgehammer...I dont recommend rapid firing the weapon..it will hurt after a while..i dont even recommend double tapping with it unless you have to..The positives about this is that it is a high velocity round that is extremely accurate within 25yards.but since i have the polymer pistol conversion you will feel the recoil harder vs a 1911..I have a 454 casull in a snub nose 2 1/2" barrel ..that **** kicks extremely hard..the 460 rowland recoil is about 3/4 the same minus the muzzle jump..when you double tap with it the shots stay consistant but you will feel it in your hands..I love the fact that you can also shoot 45 super and 45 acp out of the same gun without a barrel swap..Excellent value and quality for the price..i highly recommend this convesrion if you dont mind creating alot of noise in your local gun range

mj9mm
09-05-2012, 20:44
nice video's, nice guns. do you belong to the "my guns must kick like a mule club" ?:whistling:

voonman
09-05-2012, 22:30
ha ha.i am looking for a gun club like that

TomAiello
09-05-2012, 22:47
Is there any reason not to get a Rowland conversion, aside from price? It still functions with 45 acp? How is the barrel/chamber different?

voonman
09-06-2012, 16:14
The diameter of the barrel is the same as 45acp but the chambering is different because the 460 rowland brass is longer that 45acp..they did that purposely because they did not want you to fire the 460 rowland out of the standard 1911 or glock barrels due to the fact the gun might explode due to higher pressures..the 460 rowland is loaded at 40,000psi..the standard 45acp is loaded at 21,000psi..If you try to load the 460 rowland in your standard 45 acp gun, it will not chamber

Kingarthurhk
09-06-2012, 17:02
So, do you have to permanently locktite the compensator to the barrel? The only reason I ask, is in the event you want to pop out the conversion barrel to put the glock .45ACP barrel back into you're weapon. The .460 Rowland barrel can fire .45ACP, but it was always a caviat that it would affect accuracy.

TomAiello
09-06-2012, 17:19
The diameter of the barrel is the same as 45acp but the chambering is different because the 460 rowland brass is longer that 45acp.

If I load 45 acp into a Rowland gun, will it function? I assume yes?

And how's the accuracy on that? Ok to practice with 45 acp through the Rowland barrel? Or better to swap back to the stock barrel for that?

voonman
09-06-2012, 19:05
No you do not have to locktite the compensator to your barrell..though it is recommended but mine does not need it because it does not move whille firing..You can swap out barrels and springs at your convenience...The accuracy of the gun is more accurate than the stock glock barrel due to the twist in the aftermarket barrell..the consistency of the shot placement was grouped together very well with shooting round after round even though the recoil factor was high .The 460 Rowland was designed and made to shoot the 45acp, 45super and the mighty 460 Rowland ..you have 3 calibers that can be fired in one gun..It is like the Smith and Wesson 460 XVR..You can shoot 45 colt 454 Cassull and 460XVR

Kingarthurhk
09-06-2012, 20:28
No you do not have to locktite the compensator to your barrell..though it is recommended but mine does not need it because it does not move whille firing..You can swap out barrels and springs at your convenience...The accuracy of the gun is more accurate than the stock glock barrel due to the twist in the aftermarket barrell..the consistency of the shot placement was grouped together very well with shooting round after round even though the recoil factor was high .The 460 Rowland was designed and made to shoot the 45acp, 45super and the mighty 460 Rowland ..you have 3 calibers that can be fired in one gun..It is like the Smith and Wesson 460 XVR..You can shoot 45 colt 454 Cassull and 460XVR

I have a .454 Casull, though I really never felt the need to fire .45 long colt through it. Have you fired .45 super through your .460 Rowland barrel? Also, what type of .460 Rowland ammo have you fed through your pistol? Manufcaturer, grain, bullet type, etc. Since you said you haven't had any issues with jams, etc, you are tempting me to get a conversion for my G21.

crash_gsxr750
09-06-2012, 21:04
Who makes and where did you get it cause man I want one

voonman
09-06-2012, 23:31
The conversions can be bought at 460rowland.com.. give them a call and see if they still have a backorder.. i had to wait two months for mine.. I have not shot 45 super out of it as of yet..but according to there customer service..the 460 conversion is designed to handle and shoot the 45 super..I dont think that i will be ordering any 45 super ammo for it because the 460 rowland out performs it in ballistics.It is just good to know that the owner has another option to use the 45 super...one of the great features of this gun is that,if i want to carry the weapon as conceal carry..i could just remove the compensator and load regular 45acp ammo..As for ammo i buy custom 460rowland ammo made by Jds Custom Bullets, my favorite load is the Nosler 185gr at 1550fps over 1000lbs of energy..He is very precise with his loadings and they are brand new manufactured ammo..You can also buy 460 rowland from these other well known companies listed below..

http://www.underwoodammo.com/460rowland.aspx

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=69

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/460-Rowland/products/306/

http://shop.460rowland.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=74

http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defense-JHP/460-Rowland-185gr-CORBON-Self-Defense-JHP/SD460185-20/100/Product

http://georgia-arms.com/460rowland.aspx

thaddeus
09-07-2012, 03:24
Good stuff. Thanks!

RYT 2BER
09-07-2012, 19:31
It looks pretty cool... I was not familiar with the specifics of this round before this thread but did some reading.

Seems clever but at the same time it almost appears to really be just a very hot loaded 45 (high pressure).. Almost like. 45++++p.

I realize I'm over simplifying but it seems to be the case.... The conversion seems to be cheap enough and certainly is easy (barrel and spring swap). Just not sure I see the real utilitarian purpose...

I will,admit though unless someone can enlighten me, I find it hard to believe it was renamed for the inventor as the cartridge seems to be roughly the same, 45 acp seated lower to increase pressure and then loaded hot as blazes :dunno:

TomAiello
09-07-2012, 19:39
Who cares what it's called?

It's basically .45 Super Duper. Looks like a nice round for handgun hunting. I can't see using it for personal defense, though.

WinterWizard
09-07-2012, 20:03
All this is is a compensated barrel with a stiffer recoil spring. How many rounds before your gun is battered to hell? I always see the post-build reviews of these kits, but never a "two years later with 1500 rounds through it" review. I'm curious about the extra stress on the gun.

voonman
09-07-2012, 21:02
So far so good.No wiggle or loose ends.I guess only time will tell how well the glock frame can hold up against the mighty 460 rowland..but i know for a fact they are strong as hell to handle full powered 10mm loads...I dont know how many 460 Rowlands i will eventually put through mine since it is not a pleasant round to shoot for fun..after 15-25rounds you will want to take a break..According to customer service at 460rowland.com they have already tested the glock frame tolerance at around 1000 rounds of 460 rowland and it still holds very strong..As for being practical as every day carry ..I switch over to 45acp federal hydra shocks..The main purpose of the 460rowland was to be a backup side arm for when you are out in dangerous game world..and also i just love the fact i can shoot 3 calibers in one gun without a barrel swap..

RYT 2BER
09-07-2012, 21:40
..According to customer service at 460rowland.com they have already tested the glock frame tolerance at around 1000 rounds of 460 rowland and it still holds very strong.

I'm surprised... 1000 rounds doesn't sound like that much but like you said, it's not a round designed for high round count I guess.

WinterWizard
09-07-2012, 22:24
So far so good.No wiggle or loose ends.I guess only time will tell how well the glock frame can hold up against the mighty 460 rowland..but i know for a fact they are strong as hell to handle full powered 10mm loads...I dont know how many 460 Rowlands i will eventually put through mine since it is not a pleasant round to shoot for fun..after 15-25rounds you will want to take a break..According to customer service at 460rowland.com they have already tested the glock frame tolerance at around 1000 rounds of 460 rowland and it still holds very strong..As for being practical as every day carry ..I switch over to 45acp federal hydra shocks..The main purpose of the 460rowland was to be a backup side arm for when you are out in dangerous game world..and also i just love the fact i can shoot 3 calibers in one gun without a barrel swap..

I guess, for all intents and purposes, 500-1000 rounds is the most that most people will ever fire through their converted guns. Like you said, 1) It's not really meant for defense, only a fun gun or a woods gun. 2) Recoil is not pleasant, so shooting a lot is not fun. 3) Ammo is expensive.

I wish the kits were a little more affordable, say around $225-$250. If that were so, I'd be tempted to try it out on my G21 gen 4. But after tax and shipping, it's at least a $350 affair. A little steep as far as I'm concerned.

TKM
09-07-2012, 22:41
So, do you have to permanently locktite the compensator to the barrel? The only reason I ask, is in the event you want to pop out the conversion barrel to put the glock .45ACP barrel back into you're weapon. The .460 Rowland barrel can fire .45ACP, but it was always a caviat that it would affect accuracy.

California is the only place that I know of where you have to permanently attach threaded muzzle devices.

Your invisible friend may have other opinions.

CA stupid barely beats TX stupid, but you may move someday.

HD45ACP
09-07-2012, 23:21
LOL convert it to .40 super

voonman
09-08-2012, 05:49
ammo can be a little expensive but it isnt too bad compared to some other proprietary rounds..When i buy i usually pay about 35 dollars for 50 rounds. some others might have to pay about $50 and up..And yes the price is a little steep but i think it is worth it since you can shoot 3 calibers out of one gun..instead of buying 2 other separate guns..as for shooting 1000s of 460 rowlands through this conversion...I highly doubt that will happen..It would be kinda like saying you will be putting thousands of rounds through your 454casull..

crash_gsxr750
09-14-2012, 18:43
I'm thinking of using it in my G21 for hunting deer

And overall woods gun

voonman
09-16-2012, 10:06
yes that would work perfect..

voonman
10-04-2012, 20:06
Ok so i have an update on the wear and tear on my glock using the 460Rowland conversion... After 300 bucks worth of ammo and 920rounds later..the glock frame has proven itself all over again..It still remains ontop of its game..i have not had any pieces fall off or shown any major signs of wear and tear..I have had a few misfeeds but no failure to eject.the loads i was using were the full powered 185gr Nosler Jacketed hollow points rated at 1550fps loaded to 39,000psi..I have included a few pics of my glock below.

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4605_zpse1c5e07c.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4608_zpsad11ce3d.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4606_zpsb114eb98.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4603_zps31aa820b.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4602_zps61e8de42.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4604_zps9f2214d7.jpg

Glock Master
10-04-2012, 20:39
Very nice!

voonman
10-04-2012, 23:34
yeah man still holding strong

ci11
10-06-2012, 20:53
Voonman,

Thanks for all the good tips and updates. Much appreciated!

Can you post a few detailed and sharp pictures of the comp as well as the overall gun with the conversion from a few different angles. I liked what I saw in the video's but the gun was moving around very fast and the lamp reflection off the table top made it hard to see any details on the 30.

Thanks!

voonman
10-11-2012, 22:33
Voonman,

Thanks for all the good tips and updates. Much appreciated!

Can you post a few detailed and sharp pictures of the comp as well as the overall gun with the conversion from a few different angles. I liked what I saw in the video's but the gun was moving around very fast and the lamp reflection off the table top made it hard to see any details on the 30.

Thanks!

Here you go as you requested..The pics arent as sharp due to my ****ty ass camera..Hope you enjoy

ci11
10-14-2012, 22:02
Here you go as you requested..The pics arent as sharp due to my ****ty ass camera..Hope you enjoy

Thanks, voonman!

vaquero aleman
10-15-2012, 08:47
:cowboy:Just my 2 cents... In a nutshell, 40 Super(a 40 caliber round) seems to be loaded by Double Tap Ammo exclusively. And one of their advertised loads is a 180gr @ 1450fps *from a six inch barrel, which means, to achieve that velocity, you have to have a six inch barrel in your 21. 460 Rowland(a 45 caliber round) is loaded by at least five different ammo companies and the typical loading is a 185gr @ 1550fps *from a five inch barrel, which is a "same length" swap out, in a 1911 or less than an inch longer in a G21. Granted, you've got the comp to deal with, but as voonman stated, the same barrel will fire 45ACP, so it shouldn't be a problem to remove the comp and load it with 45ACP. In my personal 21 I have an LWD barrel cut down to 4.75" with an up graded Sprinco(sub spring changed to handle PF of 310) unit and I shoot 460 Rowland, 45 Super and 45 ACP without changing anything. As I am crazy, I do not use a comp. And, I did not follow the standard path of conversion. I decided to buy the tools and do the conversion myself. I only have a couple hundred 460s through my 21 but so far no damage. When I fire 185gr @ 1500fps it feels very much like shooting the hottest 10mm. Shooting the 230gr @ 1300fps has a stronger recoil to it. But still, the Sprinco is keeping the slide to frame impact in check. I really enjoy shooting the 185 grain ammo because it is still a really hot load, but not as much kick as the 230 grain. And if I feel like 460 is too much to carry for SD, then I just swap out a mag and carry 230gr @ 1100fps.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0554.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0514.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0510-1.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0506.jpg

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1409265

SDGlock23
10-15-2012, 15:08
Nice, I've only messed with the .45 Super and it's awesome. The 460 Rowland is a beast.

voonman
10-15-2012, 15:42
:cowboy:Just my 2 cents... In a nutshell, 40 Super(a 40 caliber round) seems to be loaded by Double Tap Ammo exclusively. And one of their advertised loads is a 180gr @ 1450fps *from a six inch barrel, which means, to achieve that velocity, you have to have a six inch barrel in your 21. 460 Rowland(a 45 caliber round) is loaded by at least five different ammo companies and the typical loading is a 185gr @ 1550fps *from a five inch barrel, which is a "same length" swap out, in a 1911 or less than an inch longer in a G21. Granted, you've got the comp to deal with, but as voonman stated, the same barrel will fire 45ACP, so it shouldn't be a problem to remove the comp and load it with 45ACP. In my personal 21 I have an LWD barrel cut down to 4.75" with an up graded Sprinco(sub spring changed to handle PF of 310) unit and I shoot 460 Rowland, 45 Super and 45 ACP without changing anything. As I am crazy, I do not use a comp. And, I did not follow the standard path of conversion. I decided to buy the tools and do the conversion myself. I only have a couple hundred 460s through my 21 but so far no damage. When I fire 185gr @ 1500fps it feels very much like shooting the hottest 10mm. Shooting the 230gr @ 1300fps has a stronger recoil to it. But still, the Sprinco is keeping the slide to frame impact in check. I really enjoy shooting the 185 grain ammo because it is still a really hot load, but not as much kick as the 230 grain. And if I feel like 460 is too much to carry for SD, then I just swap out a mag and carry 230gr @ 1100fps.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0554.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0514.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0510-1.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0506.jpg

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1409265

Very nice write up ..keep us posted with your future findings..and i will do the same..You should check out this guy who loads the 460Rowland..I get all my ammo from him.His company name is JDs Custom Ammo.. This is his Tele#361 461 1247 or EMAIL jd3243@aol.com..He loads his ammo to factory specs and it is brand new not reloads..i usually buy the 185gr noslers..and his price is at $35 for a box of 50rounds

vaquero aleman
10-15-2012, 21:22
voonman;

I think its pretty cool that you've got a G30 set up for 460! My next major purchase will be just that, with the exception that I will be using an LWD barrel and doing the conversion myself. I am considering using the Yankee Hill Machine comp for it, its a 3 port stainless. I see the G30 set up for 460 as the ultimate carry weapon!

voonman
10-16-2012, 01:30
voonman;

I think its pretty cool that you've got a G30 set up for 460! My next major purchase will be just that, with the exception that I will be using an LWD barrel and doing the conversion myself. I am considering using the Yankee Hill Machine comp for it, its a 3 port stainless. I see the G30 set up for 460 as the ultimate carry weapon!

.Very cool G21 you have there converted to the 460..The glock 30 is pretty versatile in the sense that..when i usually carry it i screw off the compensator and leave the barrel and spring and down grade to the 45acp for conceal carry..I believe Thomas was telling me that for the glock 30 should only be ported at the top not the sides of the compensator..you may wanna give him a call and ask him the reasoning behind this..

GLOKINATOR
10-31-2012, 16:55
Decisions-decisions...Glock 21 or 30 for the Conversion..hmm,or should I go with a 6" longslide and a comp hanging off the end?!....The Lil "Mighty Mouse" G30 with the Rowland conversion is sweet...wonder what velocity is with the much shorter 3.8" barrel and all that powder to burn in the 460 Rowland...I have seen it to be a average of about 80fps loss over the standard 4.6" barrel in std. calibers...What is the length of usable barrel in the G30 Conversion? Ever Chronied the G30 to see what its doing compared to the end labels on those factory rounds? Thanks for all the info,now I am really confused! lol :brickwall:

RYT 2BER
10-31-2012, 21:15
.Very cool G21 you have there converted to the 460..The glock 30 is pretty versatile in the sense that..when i usually carry it i screw off the compensator and leave the barrel and spring and down grade to the 45acp for conceal carry..I believe Thomas was telling me that for the glock 30 should only be ported at the top not the sides of the compensator..you may wanna give him a call and ask him the reasoning behind this..


I thought standard 45 won't reliably cycle the slide with the heavy duty spring. :dunno: doesn't sound good for cc...:dunno:

voonman
11-03-2012, 10:42
Decisions-decisions...Glock 21 or 30 for the Conversion..hmm,or should I go with a 6" longslide and a comp hanging off the end?!....The Lil "Mighty Mouse" G30 with the Rowland conversion is sweet...wonder what velocity is with the much shorter 3.8" barrel and all that powder to burn in the 460 Rowland...I have seen it to be a average of about 80fps loss over the standard 4.6" barrel in std. calibers...What is the length of usable barrel in the G30 Conversion? Ever Chronied the G30 to see what its doing compared to the end labels on those factory rounds? Thanks for all the info,now I am really confused! lol :brickwall:


I know its hard. when i chronagraphed mine with the conversion kit using the compensator shooting 185gr noslers i was getting around 1410-1435fps out of my glock 30..If you are looking for the full size version you can get the already compensated barrel that they sell on 460 rowland.com for the G21..I love the fact that this little gun so *******ing Powerful and i can switch back over at my leisure from the 460 to the standard 45acp without a barrel swap or magazine swap..

voonman
11-03-2012, 10:45
I thought standard 45 won't reliably cycle the slide with the heavy duty spring. :dunno: doesn't sound good for cc...:dunno:


I also heard that from another 460 rowland owner with the G30 convesrion .he says that he just swaps out the 460 rowland spring with the factor glock spring and it shoots great with 45acp...but for some reason my 460rowland spring works fine with standard 45acp loads..after putting about 200rounds through the barrel the spring soften up a little bit to help the cycling issue..

vaquero aleman
11-10-2012, 10:09
Just curious, what is the overall length of your converted G30? Could we see some side by side comparison photos of the .460/G30 and the G21? I think that would be very helpfull. Thanks.

voonman
11-11-2012, 21:45
Just curious, what is the overall length of your converted G30? Could we see some side by side comparison photos of the .460/G30 and the G21? I think that would be very helpfull. Thanks.

Here you go

RYT 2BER
11-11-2012, 22:28
Are you Roland owners rolling your own or buying?

Cost of this round looks to be ridiculously prohibitive.

voonman
11-11-2012, 23:24
Are you Roland owners rolling your own or buying?

Cost of this round looks to be ridiculously prohibitive.


for 50 rounds i pay 35 dollars..I also reload my own..and cost me less than half the price..I like to buy From JDs custom bullets because his 185gr noslers are extremely accurate and all loaded to full powered factory specs..i usually dont load mine so hot just in case i make a mistake that i might regret..I get around 1150 fps out of my hornadys 230gr

vaquero aleman
11-12-2012, 06:23
I buy from Georgia Arms - $31.50, $35.50 and $40 for 50rds and Underwood Ammo - $45 for 50rds, Buffalo Bore and Cor Bon(@ midwayusa.com) sells 20 round boxes @ $33+ per box. Although it does seem like GA Arms never has any in stock and Underwood has sold more than I expected them to in just a short time. I have not tried Underwood's 230 @ 1350fps but I look foward to it. Ga Arms 230gr @ 1300fps is hot enough and quite a handful in my non-comp barrel. I fully intend to start loading my ammo but I have a lot more research to do before I decide on the equipment.

Thanks for the photos Voonman!

voonman
11-13-2012, 16:49
I buy from Georgia Arms - $31.50, $35.50 and $40 for 50rds and Underwood Ammo - $45 for 50rds, Buffalo Bore and Cor Bon(@ midwayusa.com) sells 20 round boxes @ $33+ per box. Although it does seem like GA Arms never has any in stock and Underwood has sold more than I expected them to in just a short time. I have not tried Underwood's 230 @ 1350fps but I look foward to it. Ga Arms 230gr @ 1300fps is hot enough and quite a handful in my non-comp barrel. I fully intend to start loading my ammo but I have a lot more research to do before I decide on the equipment.

Thanks for the photos Voonman!

no problem..

crash_gsxr750
11-17-2012, 12:58
Can't wait to finally have saved up my pennies for my .460 rowland for my G21SF

voonman
11-18-2012, 10:16
Can't wait to finally have saved up my pennies for my .460 rowland for my G21SF

You wont regret it..You will have one gun that can shoot 3 calibers..

JTSmith
11-18-2012, 11:07
This is all very interesting, but I have 3 questions?

1. Will that thing deafen you if you shoot it without earplugs?

2. What about the projectiles? Are they specifically designed for these types of speeds, because the 460R seems like it would disintegrate a normal .45Auto projectile.

3. What about sectional density? Aren't you giving up a fair amount compared to 10mm?

TIA

Cycletroll
11-18-2012, 14:40
sec. density of 200gr 10mm is .177 the same as a 250gr .451 bullet. I shoot 275gr out of Super/Rowland (sec.dens of 193) which would be the same as a 220gr 10mm. 230gr bullets are the same sec density as 180gr 10mm.

230gr Hornady XTP's work pretty well at super velocities. If you want a tougher bullet you can use the 240gr mag XTP which is designed for muzzle loaders.

In my experience most quality .45 bullet will tolerate a bit more velocity better than most .40 cal bullets. 200gr Gold Dots do quite nicely at 1200-1300 fps.

voonman
11-18-2012, 19:31
This is all very interesting, but I have 3 questions?

1. Will that thing deafen you if you shoot it without earplugs?

2. What about the projectiles? Are they specifically designed for these types of speeds, because the 460R seems like it would disintegrate a normal .45Auto projectile.

3. What about sectional density? Aren't you giving up a fair amount compared to 10mm?

TIA


Like any other magnum type pistol ..it is very very loud and without proper hearing protection..you can damage your ear drums..

Any 45acp projectile can be loaded in a 460Rowland cartridge..there is nothing different..

As for sectional density, the share power/Energy and weight behind the bullet would be superior to a 10mm of lesser weight.penetration is not a problem for this round..If you decide it is too much power to carry as a self defense weapon ..you can downgrade to 45acp and screw off the compensator..

voonman
11-20-2012, 18:28
This guy did a pretty nice ammo and chrony test with his glock 21 460 rowland conversion using various types of ammo..check out the link below..fast forward to the middle to see the actual test


Glock 21 460 Rowland Ammo Test: Accuracy, Velocity, Recoil - YouTube

crash_gsxr750
11-20-2012, 21:49
This guy did a pretty nice ammo and chrony test with his glock 21 460 rowland conversion using various types of ammo..check out the link below..fast forward to the middle to see the actual test


Glock 21 460 Rowland Ammo Test: Accuracy, Velocity, Recoil - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGM0hhsGEg)

Here's to hoping I get through the season with some $ left over, cause man that makes me excited

I'm thinking the Rowland with a mako scope mount and a nice little red dot and ill have an awesome whitetail crushing backwoods busting hand cannon

JTSmith
11-20-2012, 22:27
Like any other magnum type pistol ..it is very very loud and without proper hearing protection..you can damage your ear drums..

Any 45acp projectile can be loaded in a 460Rowland cartridge..there is nothing different..


voonman,

I guess I was mainly concerned with the additional noise from the compensator.



Any 45acp projectile can be loaded in a 460Rowland cartridge..there is nothing different..


That wasn't quite what I was asking. I was trying to find out if 460R suffers from the same projectile problem as 10mm, the one where the bullet doesn't always withstand the higher velocities of the "Magnum" round.

Thanks again!

vaquero aleman
11-21-2012, 07:56
I've never shot my 21 without hearing protection, not even in 45ACP. Maybe I'm a little sensitive but I don't even like shooting 40S&W without earplugs. If you want to make a comparison I would say that .460 Rowland should be fairly even with 41 magnum in grain weight and velocity. I've only shot 41 magnum once, a couple of rounds, and I had my earplugs in, so I can't say how loud it was.

I wouldn't go to the range without my hearing protection but I do worry about what the noise will be like if I have to pull on a bad guy and fire, or if I have to shoot at night time. Makes a pretty good case for using 45ACP for SD and reserving the hot loads for the woods.

There are some good bullet pics in this thread for 45ACP bullets launched well above 1000 fps.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1382239

voonman
11-23-2012, 00:25
voonman,

I guess I was mainly concerned with the additional noise from the compensator.




That wasn't quite what I was asking. I was trying to find out if 460R suffers from the same projectile problem as 10mm, the one where the bullet doesn't always withstand the higher velocities of the "Magnum" round.

Thanks again!

The rounds that i have been reloading which are the hornady xtp can withstand the high velocity and maximum pressures of the 460R.according to the manufacture they can be safely loaded to high pressures.here are the links below..but when i load my ammo ..i dont load my ammo at maximum pressures ..They chrono at around 1180fps-1200fps


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/776746/hornady-xtp-bullets-45-caliber-452-diameter-250-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100

voonman
11-23-2012, 00:42
Here's to hoping I get through the season with some $ left over, cause man that makes me excited

I'm thinking the Rowland with a mako scope mount and a nice little red dot and ill have an awesome whitetail crushing backwoods busting hand cannon


Man that sounds like a sweet setup..post some pics when you put everything together

crash_gsxr750
11-23-2012, 15:00
Possible to shoot for 460 Rowland with a suppressor

picketpin
11-23-2012, 15:58
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/776746/hornady-xtp-bullets-45-caliber-452-diameter-250-grain-hollow-point-box-of-100 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/776746/hornady-xtp-bullets-45-caliber-452-diameter-250-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100)[/QUOTE]


Thanks for citing the bullet, This bullet is designed for 45 Colt and is .001 larger than spec for 45ACP. You are the first I have heard say they are using this bullet, is it more commonly used in this application than I am aware? I guessing it does up the Pressure some. It does make this interesting, I'm sure most typical 45 acp bullets aren't up to the task of 1200-1500 fps with the exception of the 185 Nosler showing itself to hold together pretty well.
james

voonman
11-24-2012, 01:45
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/776746/hornady-xtp-bullets-45-caliber-452-diameter-250-grain-hollow-point-box-of-100 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/776746/hornady-xtp-bullets-45-caliber-452-diameter-250-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100)


Thanks for citing the bullet, This bullet is designed for 45 Colt and is .001 larger than spec for 45ACP. You are the first I have heard say they are using this bullet, is it more commonly used in this application than I am aware? I guessing it does up the Pressure some. It does make this interesting, I'm sure most typical 45 acp bullets aren't up to the task of 1200-1500 fps with the exception of the 185 Nosler showing itself to hold together pretty well.
james[/QUOTE]

Yes this bullet works great with 460R brass..I do not load these hot.And i wont consider loading them in my 45acp.I seat them just short enough that they'll fit in the magazine..It chambers and fires just fine without any bulging of the case..I recommend if anyone uses these bullets to start low and work your way up..

voonman
11-24-2012, 01:47
Possible to shoot for 460 Rowland with a suppressor


I dont know:dunno:..you can call 460rowland.com and get a better answer..there could be some issues with this due to the high pressures of this round..But i would double check with them before you try to use the 45acp suppressor with this..

vaquero aleman
11-24-2012, 05:42
The velocity has to be sub sonic for a suppressor to work properly. That is less than 1126 feet per second. The suppressor will reduce some sound on super sonic rounds but it can't eliminate the crack of the round breaking the sound barrier.

crash_gsxr750
11-24-2012, 07:30
The velocity has to be sub sonic for a suppressor to work properly. That is less than 1126 feet per second. The suppressor will reduce some sound on super sonic rounds but it can't eliminate the crack of the round breaking the sound barrier.

After only using a bow for hunting and target shooting, shooting firearms sounds like a nuke going off to me

I'm just looking to take the edge off doesn't have to make it silent

voonman
11-25-2012, 01:01
After only using a bow for hunting and target shooting, shooting firearms sounds like a nuke going off to me

I'm just looking to take the edge off doesn't have to make it silent


You will gain alot of attention at your local gunrange when you pop these rounds off

Jagged
11-25-2012, 07:56
That's real slick. I've got the 1911 conversion.

OP: What powder have you been using?

I'm also curious about maximum OAL comparisons between the 1911 magazine and the G30 magazine. I like running the heavy bullets through my 460: 255 grain hard cast.

voonman
11-25-2012, 19:31
That's real slick. I've got the 1911 conversion.

OP: What powder have you been using?

I'm also curious about maximum OAL comparisons between the 1911 magazine and the G30 magazine. I like running the heavy bullets through my 460: 255 grain hard cast.



I use long shot powder..and my OALs are around 1.240..I usually buy my hot loads from JDs custom bullets..He loads them to factory specs..How are the hard cast working for you? have you had any lead fowling in your barrel?I wasnt too sure if i should use lead cast bullets out of the 460barrel..

Jagged
11-26-2012, 16:11
All of my reloads in 45ACP have been hard cast. Never really had a leading problem in the ACP barrel.

I've run my bunnyfart 45ACP (5-ish grains unique with a 200 gr hard cast projectile) loads with the 460 barrel, and the super-hot Buffalo Bore stuff as well. Not any worse than my regular 45ACP barrel.

I haven't started working up any 460 loads yet, but I picked up some AA#7 and some 250 grain hard cast (couldn't find any 255 grain projectiles to try to duplicate the Buffalo Bore load).

No results on game animals yet, but I'm confident it would do the job. That Buffalo Bore has a bit of oomph (1300 fps, 957 ft/lbs).

voonman
11-27-2012, 16:58
All of my reloads in 45ACP have been hard cast. Never really had a leading problem in the ACP barrel.

I've run my bunnyfart 45ACP (5-ish grains unique with a 200 gr hard cast projectile) loads with the 460 barrel, and the super-hot Buffalo Bore stuff as well. Not any worse than my regular 45ACP barrel.

I haven't started working up any 460 loads yet, but I picked up some AA#7 and some 250 grain hard cast (couldn't find any 255 grain projectiles to try to duplicate the Buffalo Bore load).

No results on game animals yet, but I'm confident it would do the job. That Buffalo Bore has a bit of oomph (1300 fps, 957 ft/lbs).


yeah you should have no problem taking big game with those buffalo bore loads

ci11
12-01-2012, 07:51
All of my reloads in 45ACP have been hard cast. Never really had a leading problem in the ACP barrel.

I've run my bunnyfart 45ACP (5-ish grains unique with a 200 gr hard cast projectile) loads with the 460 barrel, and the super-hot Buffalo Bore stuff as well. Not any worse than my regular 45ACP barrel.

I haven't started working up any 460 loads yet, but I picked up some AA#7 and some 250 grain hard cast (couldn't find any 255 grain projectiles to try to duplicate the Buffalo Bore load).

No results on game animals yet, but I'm confident it would do the job. That Buffalo Bore has a bit of oomph (1300 fps, 957 ft/lbs).

Jagged,

When you are loading hard cast for 45ACP, which bullet diameter are you using - .451 or .452? It would be really nice if I can standardize on .452 for 45ACP, 460Rowland and 45LC/460S&W.

I have not tried this yet as some say .452 works and other say don't try it or I'll blow up my guns. Hard cast mostly come in .452 and I am itching to try the Keith 255gr SWC, the 270gr SAA and even the 325gr WFNGC onto the 460R case. Perhaps I am dreaming that they'd fit and load properly but imagine what bear loads these could be!

So your experience of what worked for you would be a great help here: which exact bullets, sizing diameter, type of sizing lube, OAL on the 45ACP/460R cases, type of crimp if any and even type of seating die.

Thanks in advance!

picketpin
12-01-2012, 16:37
Interested in all this too, I just received the Rowland kit for my g30, I put together some dummy loads with a 255 Keith from Missouri bullets. They seat real deep in the case, probably .25" deeper than the 230xtp, the oal it took to get the 255's to chamber was in the 1.13" range real short... So Curious what bullet BB is using?? Maybe the Round Nose Flat point would fit the bill better, more bullet outside the case??...james

Jagged
12-02-2012, 16:49
All of my hard cast lead loads are 0.452". Jacketed is 0.451"

I haven't worked up any 460R loads yet, but I've been shooting 0.452" in ACP loads for years.

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Jagged
12-02-2012, 16:53
Interested in all this too, I just received the Rowland kit for my g30, I put together some dummy loads with a 255 Keith from Missouri bullets. They seat real deep in the case, probably .25" deeper than the 230xtp, the oal it took to get the 255's to chamber was in the 1.13" range real short... So Curious what bullet BB is using?? Maybe the Round Nose Flat point would fit the bill better, more bullet outside the case??...james

My BB 255 gr is an RNFP. Same with the 250 gr that I have on hand to work something up. Engineering grad school is kicking my arse right now, all of my reloading now is with my pre-set tool heads to crank out a couple boxes before running to the range. Not enough time to devote to the details of working up a full-power load.

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picketpin
12-02-2012, 19:02
Thanks Jagged, I appreciate the reply. I looked at the the Buffalo Bore site and they are using RNFP's in their cast loads but they don't list the velocity they are getting out of them. I managed to shoot my G30 with a few loads I put together with 230 XTP's and 10 gr. Longshot, CCI300, Starline brass (guessing around 1150 FPS, this is the starting load from Hodgdon). I had one fail to feed out of 10 and even though roll is not bad with the comp, recoil is certainly lively. Primers are round and look low pressure, there is NO smile..

I'll probably put in an order for some of Dardas's 250 gr. RNFP, and try to load them to around 1200 fps. That will be a handfull because that's where I am with my 4-5/8"Super Blackhawk and 240 Keiths, and my 4-5/8" .45 Colt Blackhawk and 255 cast..
james

ci11
12-03-2012, 04:02
All of my hard cast lead loads are 0.452". Jacketed is 0.451"

I haven't worked up any 460R loads yet, but I've been shooting 0.452" in ACP loads for years.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Thanks, Jagged.

Thanks Jagged, I appreciate the reply. I looked at the the Buffalo Bore site and they are using RNFP's in their cast loads but they don't list the velocity they are getting out of them. I managed to shoot my G30 with a few loads I put together with 230 XTP's and 10 gr. Longshot, CCI300, Starline brass (guessing around 1150 FPS, this is the starting load from Hodgdon). I had one fail to feed out of 10 and even though roll is not bad with the comp, recoil is certainly lively. Primers are round and look low pressure, there is NO smile..

I'll probably put in an order for some of Dardas's 250 gr. RNFP, and try to load them to around 1200 fps. That will be a handfull because that's where I am with my 4-5/8"Super Blackhawk and 240 Keiths, and my 4-5/8" .45 Colt Blackhawk and 255 cast..
james

James, thanks for stepping up with your workups. I am set up with a 30SF and I load with Power Pistol and Federal 150 primers.

I had been thinking about Missouri's 250gr RNFP which theoretically can get to 1230 with 14gr of PP for a power factor of 308. 300PF is my minimum comfort level for the 460R to be considered a viable "Plan B" to the 629 I pack with 300gr FTX which is at 345PF.

Just wonder how it feeds, OAL, crimp etc. I look forward to your update!

picketpin
12-03-2012, 08:57
ci11, it looks like we're headed down almost the exact road with our G30's. Thanks for your load info also, it all helps to see what is possible. The Rowland is a pretty impressive little package, this should be a fun journey.
james

Jagged
12-03-2012, 14:36
Thanks Jagged, I appreciate the reply. I looked at the the Buffalo Bore site and they are using RNFP's in their cast loads but they don't list the velocity they are getting out of them.

james

They advertise 1300 FPS out of a 1911 with the Clark Custom Kit.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=69
460 ROWLAND Ammo - 255 gr. HC-FN (1300fps / M.E.957 ft.lbs.) - 20 Round Box

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=231
The product page has more measurements.

picketpin
12-03-2012, 18:43
Thanks Jagged, I totally missed that, I guess I was looking for RN-FP instead of HC-FP, 1300 fps should get it done. I managed to pick up a like new gen 3 21 today for $420, I couldn't walk away from that deal. I may have to convert it to Rowland too..May be a while before I get some of the bullets ordered, but I'll update when I do.

James

voonman
12-04-2012, 19:39
Thanks Jagged, I totally missed that, I guess I was looking for RN-FP instead of HC-FP, 1300 fps should get it done. I managed to pick up a like new gen 3 21 today for $420, I couldn't walk away from that deal. I may have to convert it to Rowland too..May be a while before I get some of the bullets ordered, but I'll update when I do.

James


very good deal..wish i got the same..I paid about $560 for mine..But dont regret it..i have my G21 converted to 50gi ..perfect night stand gun

ci11
12-15-2012, 09:43
Thanks Jagged, I totally missed that, I guess I was looking for RN-FP instead of HC-FP, 1300 fps should get it done. I managed to pick up a like new gen 3 21 today for $420, I couldn't walk away from that deal. I may have to convert it to Rowland too..May be a while before I get some of the bullets ordered, but I'll update when I do.

James

James,

Did you get any tests going? I was hoping you'd had a chance to find out and be able to share your findings.

picketpin
12-15-2012, 17:03
ci11, I haven't had a chance to even get some bullets ordered, spent too much on my new/used 21, and my wifes Christmas present. I'll hopefully get some bullets ordered in January some time. I will update as promised...wish I had the time and money to do it now...
James

platoonDaddy
01-03-2013, 14:32
Lone Wolf will ream their 21/30 barrel for $50.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=852798&CAT=11&utm_source=Constant%2BContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Constant%2BContact%2BBanners

Let Lone Wolf ream our 45ACP barrels to the mighty .460 Rowland.


We can ream any or our Glock 21 or 30 barrels (Stock Length, Extended Length, Threaded, Ported)
We can ream any stainless Glock barrel from other manufacturers but customer assumes all risk with this, we do not warranty a barrel that we do not manufacture.
We cannot ream 400corbon or 40super chambered barrels as the bore diameter is too small.
We cannot ream Glock 36 barrels, due to lack of chamber support.
We cannot ream Glock OEM barrels, due to lack of chamber support.

RYT 2BER
01-03-2013, 18:18
Lone Wolf will ream their 21/30 barrel for $50.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=852798&CAT=11&utm_source=Constant%2BContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Constant%2BContact%2BBanners

Let Lone Wolf ream our 45ACP barrels to the mighty .460 Rowland.


We can ream any or our Glock 21 or 30 barrels (Stock Length, Extended Length, Threaded, Ported)
We can ream any stainless Glock barrel from other manufacturers but customer assumes all risk with this, we do not warranty a barrel that we do not manufacture.
We cannot ream 400corbon or 40super chambered barrels as the bore diameter is too small.
We cannot ream Glock 36 barrels, due to lack of chamber support.
We cannot ream Glock OEM barrels, due to lack of chamber support.


Yeah I saw that advertisement also. Wish lone wolf would start catching up on back orders before offering more stuff :whistling:

itisbruno
01-20-2013, 21:29
I wish I never read this thread


:tbo:

vaquero aleman
01-21-2013, 04:57
You guys that are re-loading obviously have the skills necessary to ream out a barrel.

I bought this from brownells.com for apx. $80 and converted two LWD barrels to .460R. I have shot at least one box through each of those barrels and have had no problems. I was amazed at how easily the finisher cut the barrels and I know I shouldn't have but I used an adjustable wrench with the reamer to do the cutting. I wish I had used a t-handle, but I am an impatient individual.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0446-1.jpg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/460%20ROWLAND/DSCN0448-1.jpg

picketpin
01-21-2013, 10:58
I ordered some 250 gr FP-RN bullets from Rimrock bullets in Ronan Montana, they claim that this is the bullet Buffalo Bore uses. It is reasonably priced and I had my order to my door in 2 days. Great service and really good looking bullets. Hopefully I can get to putting together some 460 loads this afternoon and head to the range tomorrow. I'll be starting with Longshot and looking for a mid level load in the 1150 fps area.
I did order a 460 conversion for my 21, and I'm still waiting on it, probably a few more weeks before it shows up as the expected wait was 4-6 weeks.
james

voonman
01-21-2013, 22:24
Great choice in weapon..It is worth the wait..you will have no regrets

jtrudel31
01-22-2013, 02:40
Great choice in weapon..It is worth the wait..you will have no regrets

Would carrying the 460 be reasonable for concealed carry? In the glock platform of course . I really want the g21 kit

voonman
01-22-2013, 18:14
Would carrying the 460 be reasonable for concealed carry? In the glock platform of course . I really want the g21 kit


Yes it would be great but i load my 460R glock30 with 45acp hollow points for self defense against two legged creatures..The full powered 460R Loads i use as my side arm when i am hunting for dangerous game

picketpin
01-23-2013, 22:50
Ok, finally made it to the range with the Rowland conversion on my G30sf.
specs, all loads are starline 460 brass, all with cci 300 Lp primers.
250 rimrock rn-fp Longshot 8.8 gr, 1050 fps
250 rimrock rn-fp longshot 9.0 gr, 1080 fps
230 xtp 10.0 gr longshot 1160 fps
200 keith swc, Longshot 12.0 gr 1325 fps..

I have to say the 250's are unpleasant to shoot off the bench, not quite so bad off hand. This was basically a chronograph trip and I didn't shoot for groups. I'll have to get sights other than factory as most of these loads were off my paper at 25 yds.
Of note the 250 rn-fp load at 9.0 of longshot had an extreme spread of 22 fps and a standard deviation of 8.7.. pretty good.
I'm not sure I can tolerate my goal of a 250 gr load in the 1150 fps range. Maybe with the G21??
james

AustinTx
01-24-2013, 00:05
We cannot ream Glock 36 barrels, due to lack of chamber support.

We cannot ream Glock OEM barrels, due to lack of chamber support.
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That should be a sticky under chamber support. I think he's trying to tell you something.

They all seem to have a common family problem.

SDGlock23
01-24-2013, 09:55
Ok, finally made it to the range with the Rowland conversion on my G30sf.
specs, all loads are starling 460 brass, all with cci 300 Lp primers.
250 rimrock rn-fp Longshot 8.8 gr, 1050 fps
250 rimrock rn-fp longshot 9.0 gr, 1080 fps
230 xtp 10.0 gr longshot 1160 fps
200 keith swc, Longshot 12.0 gr 1325 fps..

I have to say the 250's are unpleasant to shoot off the bench, not quite so bad off hand. This was basically a chronograph trip and I didn't shoot for groups. I'll have to get sights other than factory as most of these loads were off my paper at 25 yds.
Of note the 250 rn-fp load at 9.0 of longshot had an extreme spread of22 fps and a standard deviation of 8.7.. pretty good.
I'm not sure I can tolerate my goal of a 250 gr load in the 1150 fps range. Maybe with the G21??
james

The G21 is going to be more manageable for sure. I don't load for the 460, but I've got 255gr @ 1150 from the 5" G21 (KKM 4 port comp) in .45 Super. The longer grip and heavier weight will help out, plus you can get ultimately longer barrels in the G21, like a 6".

GRT45
01-24-2013, 10:19
I have to say the 250's are unpleasant to shoot off the bench, not quite so bad off hand.

You wrote, "unpleasant to shoot", meaning hard to maintain secure control of the smaller pistol? Or did you mean something else?

Might it help to add the Pearce +0 PG-30 grip extension to the 10-rnd mag? It improves controllability for me when shooting .460 Rowland with the G30SF (or shooting 10mm using a Pearce PG-29 +0). Maybe a 13-rnd G21 mag and an A&G grip extension (or 17-rnd with Arredondo +4) for added weight would do some good.

I'm certainly looking forward to the Gen4 G30 grip texture when our pistols on order arrive because it's a challenge with the Gen3 grip.

picketpin
01-24-2013, 17:48
You wrote, "unpleasant to shoot", meaning hard to maintain secure control of the smaller pistol? Or did you mean something else?

Might it help to add the Pearce +0 PG-30 grip extension to the 10-rnd mag? It improves controllability for me when shooting 10mm and .460 Rowland with the G30SF. Maybe a 13-rnd G21 mag and an A&G grip extension (or 17-rnd with Arredondo +4) for added weight would do some good.

I'm certainly looking forward to the Gen4 G30 grip texture when our pistols on order arrive because it's a challenge with the Gen3 grip.

Thanks for the tips and ideas. I find the recoil unpleasant in that it is a very hard push, there is very little muzzle flip with the comp. I'm used to shooting 4 5/8 Blackhawks and Super blackhawks loaded to 1200 fps 240-255 gr.. lots of muzzle flip but not the palm pounding that the G30 dishes out. it is probably a weight thing as you mention. maybe a shooting glove is the answer. Looking forward to shooting it alonside the G21 when I get that up and running.
james

SCmasterblaster
01-24-2013, 18:01
I have to wonder why such things as the 460 Rowland are even necessary. Is the time-proven .45 ACP somehow inadequate?

picketpin
01-24-2013, 18:40
I have to wonder why such things as the 460 Rowland are even necessary. Is the time-proven .45 ACP somehow inadequate?

I completely agree with you if I lived in Vermont and never saw a Grizzly when I was out tramping around. For Grizzly I would call the 45acp inadequate, and the 460 more adequate but not optimal. So I guess it all depends on what you're going to run into when you are out in the woods.

james

crash_gsxr750
01-24-2013, 20:05
I completely agree with you if I lived in Vermont and never saw a Grizzly when I was out tramping around. For Grizzly I would call the 45acp inadequate, and the 460 more adequate but not optimal. So I guess it all depends on what you're going to run into when you are out in the woods.

james

Exactly

A phrase from my archery back ground comes to mind

"Match your rig to the gig"

DanaT
01-24-2013, 20:11
Tagged to read on train....


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voonman
01-28-2013, 20:41
:wow: Yeah the 460R is a real palm pusher..I was affaid to shoot the 185gr at 1510fps one handed..The gun Glock30 is a little pistol and very light compared to others..and i was .scared it was going fly out of my hand like this guy,

600 nitro express Pistol - YouTube

GRT45
02-01-2013, 13:23
I found an interesting video of a G30SF .460 Rowland at a firing range. Although there are some comments made in jest in the video, it accurately portrays what you can expect with recoil and muzzle rise. This powerful, small semi-auto .460 Rowland pistol is very controllable, but obviously not for the recoil sensitive shooter. One thing for sure, there are no worries about weak ejection. :)

UPDATE: The author of the video has moved it from public to private access only (darn).

.460 Rowland - YouTube

voonman
02-01-2013, 20:21
I like the video..very good in conjuction with my video review..

2nd Mar Div
02-24-2013, 03:35
I just ordered the 460 Rowland conversion for my G30. I can't wait! This is the setup I wanted from day one!

I have a few years of experience with the 460 Rowland in a Springfield 1911 (they didn't do Glock conversions back then) and it is the most accurate pistol I own. It puts a beatdown on hogs too.


If you reload for it, standard 45 ACP dies work fine. In my experience Longshot is the best powder and Federal 150's are the only primer, all accuracy bets are off when I change to any other primer, the Federal 150's give me one ragged hole.


The only downside is brass life, I get 2 reloads before the cases stretch to the point they will buckle when I go to size them. ( cases are lubed with Carbide dies)

mo.glocker
02-24-2013, 06:31
You wont regret it..You will have one gun that can shoot 3 calibers..
I'm interested in the ported conversion(don't want the comp)what all come in the kit,the website is kind of limited on info
I'm also doing this w/my 21sf,do you guys change mag springs?,I will be using a factory 10 rounder for hunting in Missouri,thanks-Jeff

crash_gsxr750
02-24-2013, 20:20
Anyone with the conversion kits from Rowland having breach face issues ?

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1468122

voonman
02-27-2013, 00:22
Anyone with the conversion kits from Rowland having breach face issues ?

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1468122

No i have not..I read up on vaquero thread.And i replied.It is very hard to determined what could have caused the dishing on his breach..I contacted a few gunsmiths on this matter and one conclusion was a few over pressured rounds above 460rowland factory specs could have been fired through his gun causing this issue....Another factor involved was the fact that his 460Rowland was a homemade version and non compensated..But i am also unsure if this could be the issued..Another one mentioned was the possibility of the tolerance levels of the Glocks carbon steel..So far i have over 1300+ 460R rounds fired threw my glock30 without any major signs of wear and tear..I have absolutely no signs of dishing in the face of my breach..I think we will just have to wait and see if anyone finds this happening to them using Johnning Rowlands conversion kit..But as for now mine is still holding strong as the day i bought it..Below is a pic of my breach..

crash_gsxr750
02-28-2013, 09:37
With the 460 barrel and compensator can you run standard 45 ACP (with standard recoil spring) ?

voonman
02-28-2013, 16:33
Yes and no..My recoil spring has soften up a little bit that you can fire 45acp out of it but it still gets failure to eject a few times out 10round mag..If you are going to shoot 45acp you have to remove the compensator ..if you want 100% reliability with shooting the 45acp..swap out the recoil spring with the factory G30 spring and it will function flawlessly..

crash_gsxr750
02-28-2013, 20:18
Cool thanks

platoonDaddy
03-15-2013, 07:45
Just ordered from Lonewolf:

. G21 Lonewolf barrel

. Had it reamed for 460 Rowland

. 24lb RSA

Total just a tad under $200.



Excited about hitting the range with Buffalo Bore 255 grain ammo.

vaquero aleman
03-15-2013, 08:37
No i have not..I read up on vaquero thread.And i replied.It is very hard to determined what could have caused the dishing on his breach..I contacted a few gunsmiths on this matter and one conclusion was a few over pressured rounds above 460rowland factory specs could have been fired through his gun causing this issue....Another factor involved was the fact that his 460Rowland was a homemade version and non compensated..But i am also unsure if this could be the issued..Another one mentioned was the possibility of the tolerance levels of the Glocks carbon steel..So far i have over 1300+ 460R rounds fired threw my glock30 without any major signs of wear and tear..I have absolutely no signs of dishing in the face of my breach..I think we will just have to wait and see if anyone finds this happening to them using Johnning Rowlands conversion kit..But as for now mine is still holding strong as the day i bought it..Below is a pic of my breach..

And, I can assure everyone that I have shot "only" factory loaded .460 out of that "dished" G21. I used Georgia Arms 230gr @ 1300fps and Underwood Ammo 185gr @ 1500fps. And the killer is that I didn't even get over 200 rounds fired,of .460 Rowland. But I did shoot about 100 rounds of Buffalo Bore 185gr @ 1300fps.

crash_gsxr750
03-17-2013, 06:28
And, I can assure everyone that I have shot "only" factory loaded .460 out of that "dished" G21. I used Georgia Arms 230gr @ 1300fps and Underwood Ammo 185gr @ 1500fps. And the killer is that I didn't even get over 200 rounds fired,of .460 Rowland. But I did shoot about 100 rounds of Buffalo Bore 185gr @ 1300fps.

Huh I thought your gun was fine

voonman
03-19-2013, 00:41
Just ordered from Lonewolf:

. G21 Lonewolf barrel

. Had it reamed for 460 Rowland

. 24lb RSA

Total just a tad under $200.



Excited about hitting the range with Buffalo Bore 255 grain ammo.

Glad you are joining the 460R club..just make sure that your barrel is compensated..We are still unsure why vaquero breach became deformed..As he stated above..he was using factory ammo..So i am gonna take that out as being a suspect...A few more Gunsmiths i have spoken to are coming to the conclusion of vaqueros glock not being compensated..

Glock30Eric
03-19-2013, 05:51
tagged.

I am deaf and I don't need to lower the dB for the gun shooting. Do I still need compensated barrel?

GRT45
03-19-2013, 08:48
I am deaf and I don't need to lower the dB for the gun shooting. Do I still need compensated barrel?

The folks at 460 Rowland, LLC (affiliated with Johnny Rowland) assert that a compensator (best) or triple-ported barrel (acceptable) are necessary to momentarily retard unlocking of the barrel upon firing while pressure in the barrel degrades to safer levels. The added mass of a compensator on a threaded barrel also is beneficial to retard unlocking. The compensator does nothing to lower dB level of the gun report, if anything it makes it louder from the vantage point of the shooter. Perhaps you are confusing this with a suppressor?

2nd Mar Div
03-19-2013, 08:53
Rowland says the compensator is necessary to slow/control slide speed of the 40k psi cartridge.


Others use a heavier spring, and say they have no problem. Only time will tell. Me personally, I stay with the compensator, do I like it...not really, but with the pressure that this cartridge makes I'm not willing to bet against Jonny Rowland.

Glock30Eric
03-19-2013, 09:09
The folks at 460 Rowland, LLC (affiliated with Johnny Rowland) assert that a compensator (best) or triple-ported barrel (acceptable) are necessary to momentarily retard unlocking of the barrel upon firing while pressure in the barrel degrades to safer levels. The added mass of a compensator on a threaded barrel also is beneficial to retard unlocking. The compensator does nothing to lower dB level of the gun report, if anything it makes it louder from the vantage point of the shooter. Perhaps you are confusing this with a suppressor?

Alright thanks!

I do know the difference between compensator and suppressor. I am deaf and I am idiot on that subject with the lowering dB thing, lol.

voonman
03-28-2013, 15:20
I have a quick question for all owners of the johnny rowlands glock 460 conversion,,Can you please follow up if you had any dishing or warping of your glocks face of the breach ..Mine is still holding strong and shoots like a champ..Please list any issues on this thread,,Thanx

punkglock
05-17-2013, 10:59
If I load 45 acp into a Rowland gun, will it function? I assume yes?

And how's the accuracy on that? Ok to practice with 45 acp through the Rowland barrel? Or better to swap back to the stock barrel for that?

Based on the fact I've read reports of 45acp not working on some kits...I think it somewhat depends on your specific kit/recoil spring combination. AFAIK the 460rowland kit comes with a 24lb spring which should work fine with all usable ammo. There were some 1911 kits that used much stiffer springs even for 45super...that might be where you run into problems with 45acp. No problems here.

For my 460rowland conversion, I have fired 45acp (standard and +P), 45 super and 460 rowland from several manufacturers (Federal, Corbon, Buffalo Bore) without any FTE. One FTF with a heavier 460rowland round, but that was a single mag spring. No failures at all with double mag spring (standard 10-coil G21 springs mated). Accuracy is similar to my stock glock barrel.

So far no problem at all...I love this gun!

voonman
06-20-2013, 14:49
Thanx for the response..Approaching 1900 rounds and still holding strong..I Will occasionally come back here and make reports if i find any kind of abnormalties

crash_gsxr750
06-20-2013, 19:40
Are double recoil springs necessary ?

voonman
06-24-2013, 23:07
Are double recoil springs necessary ?


Double recoil spring?

vaquero aleman
06-25-2013, 12:43
Somewhere in Glocktalk somebody mentioned that the slide weight difference between the G29 and the G30 was significant. If you look at the overall weight between the two I don't really see the difference.

*Can someone please educate me:

G29 - 24.69oz G30 - 23.99oz
G29SF - 24.52oz G30SF - 20.28oz

What is the actual weight difference between the two slides and is it really significant?

vaquero aleman
06-25-2013, 12:45
Are double recoil springs necessary ?

Are you referring to Sprinco or DPM style RSA's? Or the new Glock style RSA?

voonman
07-03-2013, 10:59
Are you referring to Sprinco or DPM style RSA's? Or the new Glock style RSA?


Dude i have no clue..still awaiting his reply..
as for the weight per there website you are correct on the overall weight..this might have to do with the larger bore of the slide thus meaning they have to shave out more metal to fit a wider barrel in the slide for the glock 30sf.

vaquero aleman
07-03-2013, 11:41
There might be some info here that is helpful, dunno.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1492487

vaquero aleman
07-30-2013, 16:29
Well, I have finally joined you. I used my Clymer 45ACP finisher to open up my KKM G30 barrel for 460 Rowland. The kicker is... I have installed the G30 barrel in my G29, after a little bit of slide modification. I don't know about 460 yet, but it handles 45 Super just fine.

vaquero aleman
09-13-2013, 14:49
Got 21 and 23# RSAs on the way, so I should be testing my G29 with YHM comp and GA Arms/Underwood .460R pretty soon.

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/Glock%2029SF/9a0aea8e-fa73-4c54-b55e-3d4ec2d023fa_zps5d0db016.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/Glock%2029SF/9a0aea8e-fa73-4c54-b55e-3d4ec2d023fa_zps5d0db016.jpg.html)

vaquero aleman
09-14-2013, 06:28
Has anybody here bought the Tungsten guide rods, for the G29/G30, from the Glock Store?

If so, what do you think about them?

BlackhillsBob
09-14-2013, 11:26
You guys are killing me! LOL


For sometime I thought that a 10mm glock would be the ultimate woodsy gun. Then recently I read about the 40 super, 45 super and now the 460 Roland. Amazing what can be done with the Glock platform.

icelandicstud
09-14-2013, 13:28
glockstore G21 tungsten guide rod was galling on me. According to my gunsmith they have to soften up the tungsten to machine it but it's still heavy. Or use more expensive tooling to cut the hard hard tungsten.

No experience with their g29 or g30 tungsten setup.

Vaquero - on your G21 IMO I think you need to use a comp or ported barrel slide speed is to high. You could try a 24lb Wolff spring guide rod setup. Doesn't look like sprinco is doing the job. The design of the wolff spring slows the slide speed down more than a flat wire spring.

vaquero aleman
09-14-2013, 13:34
glockstore G21 tungsten guide rod was galling on me. According to my gunsmith they have to soften up the tungsten to machine it but it's still heavy. Or use more expensive tooling to cut the hard hard tungsten.

No experience with their g29 or g30 tungsten setup.

Vaquero - on your G21 IMO I think you need to use a comp or ported barrel slide speed is to high. You could try a 24lb Wolff spring guide rod setup. Doesn't look like sprinco is doing the job. The design of the wolff spring slows the slide speed down more than a flat wire spring.

Yeh, unfortunately I developed other problems with my G21 .460 Rowland setup and it has since been sold. But, I am still pursuing the madness of .460 Rowland. I do have some Underwood 10mm 200 grain TMJ for my G29 but I am still working on the .460R. And, some time next week I will have the tungsten rsa's for my G29/30 and I will be finding out how that works.

By the by, I was using a 22# recoil spring with my sprinco and the sprinco was actually stopping the slide to frame impact. But I agree, If I put together another G21 .460R, I will definitely use my Yankee Hill Machine comp with it.

SDGlock23
09-14-2013, 15:24
Although I'm sure it wouldn't work with your guide rod (pictured above), Carver makes a nice looking 4 port comp, and would probably vent gases very well. I would use one my .45 super loads but my KKM bbl has their odd compensator threading (instead of their suppressor threading) and nothing but the KKM comp fits it.

http://www.bb-enterprise.biz/item179194.ctlg

vaquero aleman
09-18-2013, 06:14
Although I'm sure it wouldn't work with your guide rod (pictured above), Carver makes a nice looking 4 port comp, and would probably vent gases very well. I would use one my .45 super loads but my KKM bbl has their odd compensator threading (instead of their suppressor threading) and nothing but the KKM comp fits it.

http://www.bb-enterprise.biz/item179194.ctlg

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/Glock%2029SF/725a32be-f621-435e-8483-ec67d69c6305_zps772c95bc.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/Glock%2029SF/725a32be-f621-435e-8483-ec67d69c6305_zps772c95bc.jpg.html)
http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/Glock%2029SF/c2fc33aa-1046-46c0-80d6-b894ff849dbf_zps156dc259.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/Glock%2029SF/c2fc33aa-1046-46c0-80d6-b894ff849dbf_zps156dc259.jpg.html)
Those Carver comps were some of the first that I considered, but a year or so ago they were only selling up to .40 caliber so I looked elsewhere. They do look very effective but they are made out of aluminum. I'm not sure that they would hold up to the abuse that I dish out. I have been using a box/open wrench to tighten my YHM onto the barrel and if it were not made of stainless I would have trashed it very quickly.

And, my EFK (aluminum) comp weighs 30 grams compared to my YHM (stainless) weighing 80 grams. If you add the 40 grams of the tungsten RSA then that is 120 grams compared to 45 grams with the stock RSA (15 grams) and aluminum comp.

Put together and loaded with Underwood 230gr XTP 45 Super (chamber empty) my 29 weighs 38 oz. / 2.5 lbs. Or with mag empty 30.5oz. / 1 lbs 14.5 oz.

jetttstream
09-18-2013, 14:05
Although I'm sure it wouldn't work with your guide rod (pictured above), Carver makes a nice looking 4 port comp, and would probably vent gases very well. I would use one my .45 super loads but my KKM bbl has their odd compensator threading (instead of their suppressor threading) and nothing but the KKM comp fits it.

http://www.bb-enterprise.biz/item179194.ctlg

I ordered this one (finally) today actually.

I had talked with Bobby Carver back in June and he said the one you have pictured would be fine for me and my 460 Rowland setup with my G21.

Hello Michael,

We returned your call and left a message. Yes, our comp will work fine with a .460 Rowland.


"Thank you"
Bobby Carver

I was curious of the fact it is aluminum, but I am also confident in that of Mr. Carver's recommendation.

If I have to--I will go with the YHM version as vaquero has above.

I finally got ammo---so as soon as I get my comp hopefully I can post a review.

My platform is a 5.2" 460R barrel in a G21 frame.

detroitdiablo
09-24-2013, 15:47
Two questions: 1) vaquero aleman why did you decide to go with the YHM Comp over the standard one you get in the .460 rowland kit and what is the thread size you need on the universal pistol adapter to screw on the .460 rowland barrel?
Second question is Has anyone put the .460 rowland kit on a GLock 30 Gen 4 yet? Any feedback on that?

vaquero aleman
09-24-2013, 17:35
Two questions: 1) vaquero aleman why did you decide to go with the YHM Comp over the standard one you get in the .460 rowland kit and what is the thread size you need on the universal pistol adapter to screw on the .460 rowland barrel?
Second question is Has anyone put the .460 rowland kit on a GLock 30 Gen 4 yet? Any feedback on that?

I did not purchase a kit from Johnny Rowland. I went around the "Horn" to get where I was going. And, I did not originally have a compensator, at all. (460 Anyone?) That is a thread that I started, in the "21 Club" and updated as I stumbled along turning my G21 into a mess, but I did accomplish my task. I chose the YHM comp mostly because it is all stainless and I expected that it would take the abuse that I dish out with a little more longevity. I have an LWD and an EFK comp, but I wasn't that impressed with either.

As far as the threading is concerned, all of the barrels that I purchased have the 578 X 28 suppressor threading. The YHM website offers a choice of threading for their adapter, but LWD uses 578 for their barrels and that is what I chose because I am cheap and I bought LWD. Except I bought a KKM for my G29 which is a whole nuther story.

Don't have any info for Gen 4 models of any type. I think that most of the gen 4's are still being broken in.

vaquero aleman
09-29-2013, 15:59
I can't really figure it out, but my experiences seem to always be a little different from most of the posters here. After converting my G29 to fire both 40 and 45 caliber ammunition and finally firing .460 Rowland from it, I have decided that I will reserve that caliber for the, very rare, occasional use. I find that the recoil from firing 460 from the 29/30 platform to be too excessive. Fun... but excessive.

I will, however, keep my 29 loaded with the, very satisfactory, 45 Super 230 grain XTP from Underwood. I did not find firing 45 Super from my 29 to be a problem, nor excessive. The 230gr 45 Super from UW did seem to have a little more punch to it than the 200gr 10mm, but still nothing that I consider too much to handle. Also, the power factor for a 230gr @ 1100fps is 253, where the power factor for a 200gr @ 1250fps is 250. I like the sound of "power factor" more than the sound of "muzzle energy".

jetttstream
10-03-2013, 06:41
Two questions: 1) vaquero aleman why did you decide to go with the YHM Comp over the standard one you get in the .460 rowland kit and what is the thread size you need on the universal pistol adapter to screw on the .460 rowland barrel?
Second question is Has anyone put the .460 rowland kit on a GLock 30 Gen 4 yet? Any feedback on that?


I can answer this partly. If you go with a setup from Johnny Rowland himself, the thread pitch on their barrels do not match the common threads on suppressors and other comps. I wanted one barrel that could do both.

I decided to go with a lone wolf barrel "460R" off ebay with the normal thread pitch that I can use both a common suppressor and comp. I have the carver comp as stated above and love it.

jetttstream
10-03-2013, 06:51
I can't really figure it out, but my experiences seem to always be a little different from most of the posters here. After converting my G29 to fire both 40 and 45 caliber ammunition and finally firing .460 Rowland from it, I have decided that I will reserve that caliber for the, very rare, occasional use. I find that the recoil from firing 460 from the 29/30 platform to be too excessive. Fun... but excessive.

I will, however, keep my 29 loaded with the, very satisfactory, 45 Super 230 grain XTP from Underwood. I did not find firing 45 Super from my 29 to be a problem, nor excessive. The 230gr 45 Super from UW did seem to have a little more punch to it than the 200gr 10mm, but still nothing that I consider too much to handle. Also, the power factor for a 230gr @ 1100fps is 253, where the power factor for a 200gr @ 1250fps is 250. I like the sound of "power factor" more than the sound of "muzzle energy".


For now my g21 has a powder puff recoil. The muzzle blast is INSANE with the carver comp. I absolutely love this compensator.

(2) 45 super 230, (2) 460 R 185

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xrqrn73subv10pv/2013-10-02%2018.37.25.mp4

After I figure out my sight picture (Advantage Tactical triangle setup) I will loctite everything into place.

Slightly off topic:
I have another setup, g20 slide, wolff 20lb uncaptured with guide rod, 6.6 LWD barrel and LWD comp.

165gr, 135gr, and 175 silvertip. HORRIBLE recoil. Especially compared to the 460R.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ih4qgp2rt1rtg7/2013-10-02%2018.43.48.mp4

When I shot them back to back the 10mm was really kicking my @$$. I am used to shooting 10mm, so this is why I was bothered so much. Was the Carver comp just that much better than LWD that it took the 460R and made it like a 22lr?

I'm not impressed with the LWD comp at all and will give it another shot my next outing.

I can say this, the 460R is a sweet setup in my G21 and I will keep everyone posted of any slide/frame bashing. I really want this setup to work.

Lastly,
VA--I'm loving the 45 super from underwood myself. New round to me--again using my 460R barrel.

Have you read on the XDs using 45 super? If I ever get mine back----from the recall---.... It's a nice woods carry setup too.

I'm just torn on the 10mm / 45 super/460rowland stuff and can't decide what I'm to do.

What's the effective 'hunting' range of the 460 rowland out of a 5.2" barrel vs a 6.6" 10mm setup?

-NR

vaquero aleman
10-03-2013, 11:49
I did a small amount of research on the XD and read that .460R was pretty rough on them, but I have never owned or shot one. Also, I find that quite a few people write things just to get attention and that personal experience is always best, so I don't really know what to make of what I have read about the XD. Most people, who own them, like them.

As far as effective range, as with any "handgun" round, that range is going to have severe limitations. I imagine that the 10MM forum I keep hearing about would probably have some statistics on that issue. If you take Johnny Rowland at his word, then .460 Rowland takes the cake. Personally, if I knew that I would be spending a lot of time in the woods, I would most likely make a compromise with power vs weight. But then, what kind of four legged creatures are going to be walking into your sights? Many a country boy has told me that he always took a 22LR to go hog hunting. And, there are quite a few stories about guys bagging a buck with a Glock 20, using the stock barrel.

I decided to tinker with .460R mainly because I knew it would be a challenge and give me something to play with. I didn't buy Rowlands kit, I made my own.

jetttstream
10-06-2013, 19:55
VA can you explain how your 29 shoots 45acp on up? Breach face machining?

My g21 460R

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-owNR93-s_oY/UlILKUy8lqI/AAAAAAAAAiY/nXq_F7u9dBo/w930-h462-no/20131006_162913-1.jpg

My 15 yard target of 185gr 460R Underwood (1575fps rated)
I'm VERY happy with the accuracy for a Glock trigger and this high power round! Also--this is with Advantage Tactical sights---they are great too!!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--ufWgom_GuU/UlILMiUH5zI/AAAAAAAAAig/K-shPfk_Sn8/w457-h812-no/20131006_131441.jpg

AZson
10-07-2013, 08:34
Cool.

vaquero aleman
10-07-2013, 10:36
With a little elbow grease and some plum crazy thrown in:
http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/99b0a1f9-eee7-4f0a-a3e8-0a82738f1f96_zpsa8d95cf1.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/99b0a1f9-eee7-4f0a-a3e8-0a82738f1f96_zpsa8d95cf1.jpg.html)

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/03e62df1-9c9c-4342-9675-b95f234bf951_zpsc4c9d8cb.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/03e62df1-9c9c-4342-9675-b95f234bf951_zpsc4c9d8cb.jpg.html)
It is certainly not a perfect process but I used flat, diamond coated, files to remove enough of the breech metal to get the 45ACP barrel to fit. I would have preferred that a gunsmith with precision machinery do the work, but the one that I thought could, laughed at me and said it could not be done. So, I did it anyway.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1492487

picketpin
10-09-2013, 06:23
Really nice looking Rig Jettstream. Looks like it is shooting really well for you too, congrats!

james

vaquero aleman
10-15-2013, 18:50
185gr 460 Rowland:

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/8b42eb2d-5402-4334-9079-ef81b2967984_zpse5d523b2.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/8b42eb2d-5402-4334-9079-ef81b2967984_zpse5d523b2.jpg.html)

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/f97cbf63-a44d-4684-b257-9d61d51d8d1f_zpsa920819a.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/f97cbf63-a44d-4684-b257-9d61d51d8d1f_zpsa920819a.jpg.html)

voonman
02-15-2014, 07:23
Wow ..some nice updates..keep em coming..my Rowland is still holding strong..haven't shot it since xmas,,but it shoots the same as the day I bought it,.

jdslim
02-24-2014, 20:42
That's a heck of a flash. What were you shooting? I'm loading out my own and have shot some at night and didn't see that at all.

vaquero aleman
02-24-2014, 20:58
That's a heck of a flash. What were you shooting? I'm loading out my own and have shot some at night and didn't see that at all.



I shot some Underwood 185gr @ 1500fps and some Georgia Arms 230gr @ 1300fps, both were 460 Rowland, of course. I believe that the flash with the 45 Super was mostly because of the gap between the case mouth and where the rifling begins. I shoot 45acp, 45 super and 460 Rowland from the same barrel.


Underwood 185gr 45 Super
http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/4a30277d-1378-4c1b-92a0-7c6efa464ab8_zps72b9d885.jpg

bac1023
02-24-2014, 21:40
Very cool...