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Glocktex
09-03-2012, 19:41
I just got my first 10mm, a 20 SF, yesterday. I'm going all stock for now. I haven't even shot it yet. I may consider carrying for SD but will primarily use for hunting pigs and deer. From all of read I think I'm going to go with either the 200 or 180 XTP's from underwood. If I were gonna pick one for hunting and SD, which one would be better in your opinion? BTW I'm I'm Texas.
I have learned a lot here and appreciate the knowledge.

Taterhead
09-03-2012, 21:07
Welcome to the 10mm! You will likely love it for its versatility. I sure do love mine.

The XTPs would be good choices, but not my first. I would choose the Double Tap 200 gr Wide flat nose gas-checked (WFNGC) hardcast load. Even though the box flap velocities are greatly optimistic, that load at a realistic 1150 fps would give a nasty pass through on deer and up to medium sized hogs. A bunch of seasoned hunters (including folks in TX) swear by the WFNGC hardcast bullets.

I have shot XTPs and handloaded WFNGCs side by side into various unscientific "media." The WFNGC consistently gives more impressive damage and penetration. The XTP will inconsistently open when encountering hard things and behaves more like a round nose JHP at times. However you wouldn't necessarily go wrong with the XTPs. The 10mm hunting page is full of game taken with them.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=105&osCsid=mnk5pjhvd8af5gath2n26et7f2

The XTPs would be more suitable for SD, but for that a regular old Winchester 175 gr Silvertip JHP would work well too.

Whatever you choose, get a few boxes and test for function. Also, the WFNGC bullets haven't caused any leading problems in my G20, but it is good to check often just to be sure. Every barrel is slightly different.

Good luck with hunting! Don't forget to post photos and reports on the 10mm hunting sticky.

nickE10mm
09-04-2012, 12:20
I've killed three deer so far with my 10mm's ... All with the 200gr XTP and, while they all worked, I'll be moving to WFNGC this season from here on out. The XTP can be inconsistent in expansion and penetration and, while its the best of the hollowpoint designs available for "hunting" ... I've grown to love the WFNGC for hunting. EXPLOSIVE destruction.

Taterhead
09-04-2012, 22:07
I've killed three deer so far with my 10mm's ... All with the 200gr XTP and, while they all worked, I'll be moving to WFNGC this season from here on out. The XTP can be inconsistent in expansion and penetration and, while its the best of the hollowpoint designs available for "hunting" ... I've grown to love the WFNGC for hunting. EXPLOSIVE destruction.

Slight hijack. What pistol are you going into the woods with this year?

Kegs
09-04-2012, 23:24
Xtps are good. So are Nosler Jhps

nickE10mm
09-05-2012, 10:48
Slight hijack. What pistol are you going into the woods with this year?

I'll have my Fusion 6" 1911 (10mm) this season, just like last. I will have the G20SF w/ 6" KKM as a backup at home/camp, as well. At this point in my testing, I'll be carrying 1-8rd magazine of handloaded 200gr WFNGC/BTB hardcast bullets over a stiff charge of Longshot or Blue Dot... and probably an extra mag or two just because my Alessi Fieldmaster carries two extra mags. :) Velocity of this load will be in the neighborhood of 1250-1350, depending on accuracy test results.

I simply can't wait ... Deer season is my favorite time of year...

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Glocktex
09-05-2012, 22:43
Thanks for info. I think I'm gonna start with the 200 gr and see how I shoot with them.

Taterhead
09-05-2012, 22:54
I'll have my Fusion 6" 1911 (10mm) this season, just like last. I will have the G20SF w/ 6" KKM as a backup at home/camp, as well. At this point in my testing, I'll be carrying 1-8rd magazine of handloaded 200gr WFNGC/BTB hardcast bullets over a stiff charge of Longshot or Blue Dot... and probably an extra mag or two just because my Alessi Fieldmaster carries two extra mags. :) Velocity of this load will be in the neighborhood of 1250-1350, depending on accuracy test results.

I simply can't wait ... Deer season is my favorite time of year...

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Dude. I have said it before, but it is worth repeating. That Fusion is simply one of the most beautiful guns I have ever seen. I am glad that you are not treating it as a safe queen.

Oh, and the G20 for a BUG. I think you have it covered! :rofl:

nickE10mm
09-06-2012, 08:43
Thanks Tater! DEFINITELY no safe queen....

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HD45ACP
09-09-2012, 20:50
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Nick How much does a Fusion 10mm longslide like yours go for? How long is the wait? Can they make a 7" longslide also?

Kwesi
09-09-2012, 22:54
Xtps are good. So are Nosler Jhps

Kegs: are you referring to DT's Nosler JHP 135gr? I recently moved to Texas & may go on my first hunt ever. It will be for hogs. I have several factory choices but not the 200gr suggested above. Which of these would you hog hunters recommend, if any of the following:

DT 135 Nosler JHP
DT 165 Golden Saber JHP
DT 165 Speer Gold Dot JHP
Win 175 Silvertip HP
Fed 180 Hydra-Shok
Black Talon 200 SXT
Norma 170 HP

Thanks!

nickE10mm
09-10-2012, 08:52
Kegs: are you referring to DT's Nosler JHP 135gr? I recently moved to Texas & may go on my first hunt ever. It will be for hogs. I have several factory choices but not the 200gr suggested above. Which of these would you hog hunters recommend, if any of the following:

DT 135 Nosler JHP
DT 165 Golden Saber JHP
DT 165 Speer Gold Dot JHP
Win 175 Silvertip HP
Fed 180 Hydra-Shok
Black Talon 200 SXT
Norma 170 HP

Thanks!

None of them, really.... but if I had to choose I'd go with either the Black Talon (because of its weight) or any Gold Dot.... but honestly, you should really get something heavy and fast like a 200gr XTP at high velocity (DT, BB, etc) or a WFNGC 200gr hardcast (DT, BB or handload)

nickE10mm
09-10-2012, 08:53
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Nick How much does a Fusion 10mm longslide like yours go for? How long is the wait? Can they make a 7" longslide also?

They start at around 1200 or SO... but mine has quite a few extra options so I paid considerably more.... Bob Serva will answer all of your questions if you send him an email. He will help you with any you may have....

Kwesi
09-10-2012, 09:44
None of them, really.... but if I had to choose I'd go with either the Black Talon (because of its weight) or any Gold Dot.... but honestly, you should really get something heavy and fast like a 200gr XTP at high velocity (DT, BB, etc) or a WFNGC 200gr hardcast (DT, BB or handload)

Thanks. I shouln't use FMJ, right? Off topic but I could use my LAR Grizzly in 45 Win Mag 260gr HP soft lead tip?

nickE10mm
09-10-2012, 09:50
Thanks. I shouln't use FMJ, right? Off topic but I could use my LAR Grizzly in 45 Win Mag 260gr HP soft lead tip?

I wouldn't use FMJ either, honestly. The .45WM would obviously be great... but you can make the 10mm work with the right load. Are the hogs BIG there or <300lbs?

Kwesi
09-10-2012, 11:39
I hear they can get to 300#.

alwaysshootin
09-10-2012, 12:41
Glocktex,

When it comes to one choice of ammo for hunting, and SD, I personally don't think it can be done!

The reason is when I'm picking a bullet design, or particular ammo, for hunting deer, or pigs, as in your case, I'd want/demand, complete pass through, massive tissue destruction, and, bone damaging capabilities. Specifically, the pass through ability, is not preferential for a SD round, IMHO!

When I hunt deer, I hand load, a 200 grain hard cast, flat point bullet going 1250 fps. There is no way, I would ever consider that load for my carry G29. If I were buying from underwoodammo.com, I would seriously consider the load they developed for use in the Delta Elite. It sounds just about perfect for a carry ammo. On the other hand, wouldn't be a consideration for hunting! Again just my opinion, and if it matters, my carry ammo, for now, is the 175 grain silver tip. Again, would not use that for hunting.

Ramjet-SS
09-10-2012, 13:17
I would certainly agree with that assessment. Hunting application has different demands on performance of the ammo than a SD application. Further more hunting applications can even vary greatly. I love the WFN that LBT developed many many years ago and have used them in 38 and even 475 Linebaugh. I want to try some for the 10 and may buy a mould to cast some to try. But maybe buy a box and run them to make sure they function for me first.

Glocktex
09-10-2012, 21:16
Thanks everyone I appreciate the great info! I'll likely either get the gold dots or more likely the 175 ST's for SD.

Kwesi
09-11-2012, 07:24
None of them, really.... but if I had to choose I'd go with either the Black Talon (because of its weight) or any Gold Dot.... but honestly, you should really get something heavy and fast like a 200gr XTP at high velocity (DT, BB, etc) or a WFNGC 200gr hardcast (DT, BB or handload)

BTW: would your reply have been different if I will be hunting with my SBR which has an 8.85" barrel vs my pistol?

nickE10mm
09-11-2012, 07:57
BTW: would your reply have been different if I will be hunting with my SBR which has an 8.85" barrel vs my pistol?

SBR? I'm not sure what you're meaning....

Unless you handload or round is made with a longer barrel in mind (ie, slower powder, bigger charge), you might not see that much velocity increase with the 8.85" "sbr" ...

On the other hand, certain 10mm loads will gain quite a bit from the longer barrel, however, I'd still stick with a heavy and fast bullet (180gr or heavier).

Kwesi
09-11-2012, 12:41
SBR? I'm not sure what you're meaning....

Unless you handload or round is made with a longer barrel in mind (ie, slower powder, bigger charge), you might not see that much velocity increase with the 8.85" "sbr" ...

On the other hand, certain 10mm loads will gain quite a bit from the longer barrel, however, I'd still stick with a heavy and fast bullet (180gr or heavier).

Short Barreled Rifle "SBR".

nickE10mm
09-11-2012, 12:45
Short Barreled Rifle "SBR".

That's what I thought ... but 8.85" sounded REALLY short :)

Kwesi
09-11-2012, 16:27
That's what I thought ... but 8.85" sounded REALLY short :)

They are legally a pistol just not the way we, on this forum, think of them. In order to attach a stock one must register it with the ATF & pay the required tax unless you already own a registered sear (full auto). I assumed the extra 4" barrel would increase the velocity & possibly change your advice,