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lethal tupperwa
09-04-2012, 09:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=W5mbldTkruM&feature=share%20;

ChuteTheMall
09-04-2012, 09:51
:drowning::grouphug::jumprope:

High-Gear
09-04-2012, 12:19
Very neat fellow! What a gift for public speaking he has!

Originalsin
09-11-2012, 11:17
He is awesome.

scccdoc
09-11-2012, 11:34
Great courage.......................... I wonder what the atheist say about him.................... DOC

Guss
09-11-2012, 12:00
Great courage.......................... I wonder what the atheist say about him.................... DOC
As an atheist, I note that he prayed for limbs, but God didn't deliver. I congratulate him for his human abilities.

Glock36shooter
09-11-2012, 12:04
I watched like half of it until he started talking about religion. Is he doing that in a public school? Hope not in America. That has no place in an American Public School. No place at all.

I feel bad for the guy. I know he's had to deal with some very hard times in his life. No wonder he takes comfort in mythology. Probably makes him feel better about himself.

BenjiEDF
09-11-2012, 12:15
I watched like half of it until he started talking about religion. Is he doing that in a public school? Hope not in America. That has no place in an American Public School. No place at all.

I feel bad for the guy. I know he's had to deal with some very hard times in his life. No wonder he takes comfort in mythology. Probably makes him feel better about himself.

"no place in American public school" :rofl:
we have freedom OF religion, NOT freedom FROM religion. So he has every right to say that in a public school, but the kids are free to make up their own minds.

Glock36shooter
09-11-2012, 12:37
"no place in American public school" :rofl:
we have freedom OF religion, NOT freedom FROM religion. So he has every right to say that in a public school, but the kids are free to make up their own minds.

Absolutely not. Not on taxpayer time, not in taxpayer facilities, and not while conducting taxpayer matters. The Supreme Court is clear on this. Your lack of understanding about it matters very little. There is to be no use of public schools to present any religious messages to children. To do so gives them the impression that it is sanctioned by their authorities which is a betrayal of their purpose. We're in the process of getting a local teacher fired for such things. The courts are clear on this make no mistake.

And yes... we also have freedom FROM religion as well. So an Atheist child doesn't have to be subjected to your favorite brand of mythology. There is no State Endorsed Religion. And despite what you want to believe this is not a nation founded on Christian ideals.

fowl intent
09-11-2012, 13:18
If all of you people claiming that Christians are being discriminated against in this country would stop and think, maybe you would understand why there NEEDS to be a separation of church and state.

To advocate otherwise is really just saying that the MAJORITY religion should be allowed to be taught in public schools, or at government sponsored meetings. We have a dispute going on in our community right now because our town councel has decided to suspend Christian prayers to open their meetings. You would not believe the uproar this has caused. Christians protesting the town councel meetings, writing scathing letters to the local newspaper. One writer had the gaul to say that if you don't want to listen to the Christian prayer, just leave and stand outside.

All it would take to convince these people of the folly of state sponsored religion is to live in France, Belgium or any number of other European countries, which within one generation will likely have Muslim majorities. How would these Christians feel having to attend schools where there children were taught to hate and kill infidels who don't believe in Islam, or to hear public prayers to Allah asking for strength to fight and kill Christians.

Open your eyes and minds. There is good reason not to allow state sponsored religion for ANYONE because it protects EVERYONE.

fowl intent
09-11-2012, 13:20
And Ben, your are so wrong, and thankfully so.

Brucev
09-11-2012, 13:28
Fine with this fellow presenting in a public school. There are plenty of children being forced to have to listen to how queers and their lifestyle are all supposed to be treated as normal, just because the left-wing liberals say such must be tolerated. School children are forced to listen to the unmitigated propaganda of planned parenthood and their surrogates pushing the killing of children as choice rather than the flushing of a child judged as to inconvenient to live. Again the left-wing liberals all trumpet this as right and good in the name of left-wing liberalism. So... let this man say what he will in the public school. And if the left-wing liberals get their underwear in a wad over it, so what? Why should anyone at all care? It's no like what they think matters. Turn about is fair play.

Glock36shooter
09-11-2012, 13:58
Fine with this fellow presenting in a public school. There are plenty of children being forced to have to listen to how queers and their lifestyle are all supposed to be treated as normal, just because the left-wing liberals say such must be tolerated.

No... because they are people and they deserve equal and fair treatment. Homosexuality is not a religion. Simply because your mythology says it's wrong doesn't mean that is so. And it certainly is not the American way.

School children are forced to listen to the unmitigated propaganda of planned parenthood and their surrogates pushing the killing of children as choice rather than the flushing of a child judged as to inconvenient to live.

Again, not a religion. Just a fact of life.

Again the left-wing liberals all trumpet this as right and good in the name of left-wing liberalism. So... let this man say what he will in the public school. And if the left-wing liberals get their underwear in a wad over it, so what? Why should anyone at all care? It's no like what they think matters. Turn about is fair play.

Because this man will go to jail, the teachers and administrators will be fired because this is unconstitutional in America. Love it or get out. I assume this is happening in another country. School employees get fired for things like this in the States. Thankfully so.

packsaddle
09-11-2012, 22:19
doesn't matter.

any parent that actually cares about their kid wouldn't think of putting them in public school these days anyway.

and anyone who tries to rationalize putting their kid in public school is essentially saying "I'm too selfish to spend my beer and porn money on private school tuition" or "My partner and I don't want to homeschool the kid because we're too busy and don't really want to be around the kid all day".

but hey it's still a free country.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 09:29
"My partner and I don't want to homeschool the kid because we're too busy and don't really want to be around the kid all day".

Mmmmmmmmm yes home school. Turning children into weirdos and socially maladjusted misfits. Nice.

Home schooled girls were always fun. They'd believe anything.

PettyOfficer
09-12-2012, 10:26
and anyone who tries to rationalize putting their kid in public school is essentially saying "I'm too selfish to spend my beer and porn money on private school tuition".

What if it was your gun or ammo money?

PettyOfficer
09-12-2012, 10:33
Mmmmmmmmm yes home school. Turning children into weirdos and socially maladjusted misfits. Nice.

Home schooled girls were always fun. They'd believe anything.
ROFLMAO. Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!


I have very smart and capable coworkers who were homeschooled throughout highschool, and they are awkward and socially inept and some are downright weird!!!

Not having sex until 24 years old will do that to you.

There is significant studies that show social exposure to children at young ages is critical to development: if as an adult you can't tell the difference between sarcasm/joke and a straight honest statement, you're at a huge disadvantage. My boss is like that: I call him a robot... He's very mathematical and reliable. But he can't interpret people or work within the gray areas of available rules.

I suspect a lot of GT'ers have this same problem, which is why they're so narrow minded and walk around with their fingers in their ears.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 10:34
Why not just put the kids down? If you love them so much send them to be with Jesus. It really is what's best for them.

Geko45
09-12-2012, 11:09
Why not just put the kids down? If you love them so much send them to be with Jesus. It really is what's best for them.

That would bring about a Swift solution to the problem.

:supergrin:

scccdoc
09-12-2012, 11:24
Why not just put the kids down? If you love them so much send them to be with Jesus. It really is what's best for them.

Great attitude, guess you don't know any disabled people personally.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 11:46
Great attitude, guess you don't know any disabled people personally.

Oh absolutely I do. There is one that I love so much I'd sacrifice my life for their's if it came down to it. But they're Atheist. So they don't believe in that hooey. They understand that their disability is just a result of genetics and that with biological organisms such things are bound to happen. No real rhyme or reason. Just the luck of the draw. And they understand to make the most of this life because that's all there is.

Brucev
09-12-2012, 11:47
Mmmmmmmmm yes home school. Turning children into weirdos and socially maladjusted misfits. Nice.

Home schooled girls were always fun. They'd believe anything.

Not home schooled, but know a number of folks who were/are. Weird/maladjusted is commonly encountered among all social groups, without exception. Not limited to or particular to HS students. Are you saying that it is the role of the educational process to socially shape the lives of children?

As to girls, there have always been men who lie. And there have always been girls who believe the lies told by such liars. Given that you identify yourself as a routine and habitual liar, how can anyone give any credence to anything you might write/say?

Brucev
09-12-2012, 11:53
[QUOTE=Glock36shooter;19408413]No... because they are people and they deserve equal and fair treatment. Homosexuality is not a religion. Simply because your mythology says it's wrong doesn't mean that is so. And it certainly is not the American way. They are people. They get equal treatment, but not special preferential treatment. That is all. Their self-serving skewed view of aberrance as normative is in every way their core central/religious belief. It is not privileged. As to the American way... it's might makes right. Always has been. Always will be. Don't believe it? Just look at the kabuki that currently masquerades as the political process in America.

Again, not a religion. Just a fact of life. Now as to the facts of life, guess what? You aren't the decider. If your utilitarianism were the majority view, then planned parenthood wouldn't be having so much trouble... and your squatter in the white house wouldn't avoid admitting his own complicity in supporting the idea of letting surviving aborted children die on a shelf in a closet.

Because this man will go to jail, the teachers and administrators will be fired because this is unconstitutional in America. Love it or get out. I assume this is happening in another country. School employees get fired for things like this in the States. Thankfully so. Why will this man go to jail? Hum? Just exactly who will fire the teachers/administrators? Please do be specific. Who will do the firing? Hum?

This is America. And in America, Christians are not relegated to the ghetto by anyone including folks such as you. So... thank God for America. You can love it. Or you can get out. Don't let the screen door slap you on your butt on your way out.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 12:00
Not home schooled, but know a number of folks who were/are. Weird/maladjusted is commonly encountered among all social groups, without exception. Not limited to or particular to HS students. Are you saying that it is the role of the educational process to socially shape the lives of children?

It is a bi-product of public schools that children learn to socialize. Deal with betrayal, bullies, create alliances, learn to network. This is highly absent in home schooled children. Even though some home school parents attempt to socialize them with other home schooled children. They mainly only socialize with other children whose parents believe as their's do. So there tends to be a lack of learning how to integrate with multiple group types and how to navigate within them.

As to girls, there have always been men who lie. And there have always been girls who believe the lies told by such liars.

Yes but home schooled girls are especially stupid in this regard. See most only learn that sex is evil unless it's within the bounds of marriage. Many religious parents are uncomfortable talking about all the ins and outs (Pun intended) of sexual relations. And kids are gonna do what kids do. So when a young dumb home schooled girl is attracted to a young horny boy and wants to have sex with him... and he tells her "I don't have to use a condom, I just passed a kidney stone so I can't get you pregnant.", because she's had little to no education about such things... she might be apt to believe him. The reason I picked that particular lie was because I know of someone that it happened to. Anecdotal I know, but a good example nonetheless. And she was home schooled. Now she's a single mother doing the best she can with her limited education to take care of her daughter. Get this... she want's to home school her daughter too LMAO!

Given that you identify yourself as a routine and habitual liar, how can anyone give any credence to anything you might write/say?

That's easy... I don't really care what anyone thinks.

But by that statement I take it you've never ever told a lie huh? K... whatever.

scccdoc
09-12-2012, 12:16
Oh absolutely I do. There is one that I love so much I'd sacrifice my life for their's if it came down to it. But they're Atheist. So they don't believe in that hooey. They understand that their disability is just a result of genetics and that with biological organisms such things are bound to happen. No real rhyme or reason. Just the luck of the draw. And they understand to make the most of this life because that's all there is.

Since you didn't quote another poster, I assumed you sentiments were a true reflection of your feelings towards people with disabilities..................

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 12:20
They are people. They get equal treatment, but not special preferential treatment.

Gay marriage will eventually get through. Just like we got rid of prayer in school, and tossed the 10 commandments out of public buildings, and just like abortion. Eventually the religious loudmouths will be pushed aside and homosexuals will get their marriage rights. You can twist it however you like. Doesn't really matter. 10 years tops... they'll be getting married. Can't stop progress.


Their self-serving skewed view of aberrance as normative is in every way their core central/religious belief.

Nonsense. That's just plain bigotry. No other way to slice it. There sexuality has nothing to do with a God figure. It's just who they are.

As to the American way... it's might makes right. Always has been. Always will be. Don't believe it? Just look at the kabuki that currently masquerades as the political process in America.

Perhaps... but might has become something other than brute force. It has become political force. And that's why homosexual marriage will become a reality in your lifetime and mine. Mark my words. It's gonna happen whether you like it or not.

Now as to the facts of life, guess what? You aren't the decider.

Neither are you. The courts will decide. And they usually side with things that make people like you crazy. Which I find hilarious. Right now someone's getting a legal abortion in your beloved theocracy.


If your utilitarianism were the majority view, then planned parenthood wouldn't be having so much trouble... and your squatter in the white house wouldn't avoid admitting his own complicity in supporting the idea of letting surviving aborted children die on a shelf in a closet.

What's wrong with that? We let bacteria and fungus die all the time. You hunt? Don't tell me you've never killed a living thing before. Stepped on a spider maybe?

Why will this man go to jail?

Because it is unconstitutional to promote religion in public schools. In America at least.

Just exactly who will fire the teachers/administrators? Please do be specific. Who will do the firing? Hum?

The government will fire them. Teachers and School Administrators are employees of the state. Groups like the ACLU will bring legal action and heads will roll. Happens all the time. Did you not read the article I posted. That school WILL stop it's prayer nonsense in school. If it doesn't further action will be taken. At that point jobs will be lost for those who do not comply.

This is America. And in America, Christians are not relegated to the ghetto by anyone including folks such as you. So... thank God for America. You can love it. Or you can get out. Don't let the screen door slap you on your butt on your way out.

It is America isn't it? Where your religious nonsense is not permitted in our schools, or our public buildings. Where a young lady can have that pesky baby blasted out of her womb if it's not what she wants. Where priests are arrested for molesting children. Where ministers are caught with their gay lovers. And soon... where two men will be able to marry one another in holy matrimony. I love it just fine. Think I'll stay. I like the changes that are being made.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 12:23
Since you didn't quote another poster, I assumed you sentiments were a true reflection of your feelings towards people with disabilities..................

No... at parents of home schooled children that want to shelter them from this evil world to the point of warping them.

Geko45
09-12-2012, 13:50
You can twist it however you like. Doesn't really matter. 10 years tops... they'll be getting married. Can't stop progress.

The terrifying truth is that you can stop progress and sooner or later it will almost certainly be stopped. Just look at what happend in the middle east about a 1000 years ago. Bagdhad was the intellectual capital of the world. Mathematics, astronomy, philosophy were all studied there. Many european works only survived the dark age because they were translated into arabic and studied there.

Then one day an islamic teacher came along and convinced a bunch of people that playing with numbers and other scientific pursuits were the work of the devil and that all came to a grinding halt. Europe eventually emerged from its dark age into the renaissance period, but the middle east has never recovered.

Yes, sooner or later things will go bad in one way or another and some religious zealot will come along and tell people that it is because they've turned away from some archaic myth. The people, desperate for answers, will cling to this explanation and send us hurtling backwards. How far back and for how long is unknown (as is exactly when), but it has happened before and history always seems to repeat itself.

All I can say is I hope I don't live to see it.

nmk
09-12-2012, 13:59
The terrifying truth is that you can stop progress and sooner or later it will almost certainly be stopped. Just look at what happend in the middle east about a 1000 years ago. Bagdhad was the intellectual capital of the world. Mathematics, astronomy, philosophy were all studied there. Many european works only survived the dark age because they were translated into arabic and studied there.

Then one day an islamic teacher came along and convinced a bunch of people that playing with numbers and other scientific pursuits were the work of the devil and that all came to a grinding halt. Europe eventually emerged from its dark age into the renaissance period, but the middle east has never recovered.

Yes, sooner or later things will go bad in one way or another and some religious zealot will come along and tell people that it is because they've turned away from some archaic myth. The people, desperate for answers, will cling to this explanation and send us hurtling backwards. How far back and for how long is unknown (as is exactly when), but it has happened before and history always seems to repeat itself.

All I can say is I hope I don't live to see it.

Sad, but true. People behave strangely under pressure.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 14:02
The terrifying truth is that you can stop progress and sooner or later it will almost certainly be stopped. Just look at what happend in the middle east about a 1000 years ago. Bagdhad was the intellectual capital of the world. Mathematics, astronomy, philosophy were all studied there. Many european works only survived the dark age because they were translated into arabic and studied there.

Then one day an islamic teacher came along and convinced a bunch of people that playing with numbers and other scientific pursuits were the work of the devil and that all came to a grinding halt. Europe eventually emerged from its dark age into the renaissance period, but the middle east has never recovered.

Yes, sooner or later things will go bad in one way or another and some religious zealot will come along and tell people that it is because they've turned away from some archaic myth. The people, desperate for answers, will cling to this explanation and send us hurtling backwards. How far back and for how long is unknown (as is exactly when), but it has happened before and history always seems to repeat itself.

All I can say is I hope I don't live to see it.

I hope that the our culture has advanced beyond allowing religion to bring us back down to the dark ages AGAIN. I really do.

PettyOfficer
09-12-2012, 14:09
I hope that the our culture has advanced beyond allowing religion to bring us back down to the dark ages AGAIN. I really do.

Nope... Over thousands of years, zealots (both religious and political (Hitler)) have always warped the minds of the feeble masses and forced their views onto their cultures. Of course, today our information exchange capabilities decreases the odds.

If the economy collapses and internet and electronic forms of communications fail, the zealots will quickly rise again, spreading FUD and hate.

Geko45
09-12-2012, 14:17
If the economy collapses and internet and electronic forms of communications fail, the zealots will quickly rise again, spreading FUD and hate.

One particularly sad irony that is actually on topic is that when these sorts of ages come about, people like the one shown in the original post are typically pushed to the edges of soceity and viewed as cursed or damned for some sort of inherent sin or mistake on their part.

Glock36shooter
09-12-2012, 14:19
Nope... Over thousands of years, zealots (both religious and political (Hitler)) have always warped the minds of the feeble masses and forced their views onto their cultures. Of course, today our information exchange capabilities decreases the odds.

If the economy collapses and internet and electronic forms of communications fail, the zealots will quickly rise again, spreading FUD and hate.

Hitler was a Catholic. Many high ranking members of the Catholic Church had dealings with Hitler. I believe even the pope wished him a happy birthday.

High-Gear
09-12-2012, 15:21
Fine with this fellow presenting in a public school. There are plenty of children being forced to have to listen to how queers and their lifestyle are all supposed to be treated as normal, just because the left-wing liberals say such must be tolerated.
Is there a class called "Respecting Queers and their Lifestyle", or are kids just told not to bully people who are different from them?

School children are forced to listen to the unmitigated propaganda of planned parenthood and their surrogates pushing the killing of children as choice rather than the flushing of a child judged as to inconvenient to live. Again the left-wing liberals all trumpet this as right and good in the name of left-wing liberalism.
Please tell me where this takes place? I'm guessing only in your head.

So... let this man say what he will in the public school. And if the left-wing liberals get their underwear in a wad over it, so what? Why should anyone at all care? It's no like what they think matters. Turn about is fair play.
Great! I know (not really) a muslim who lost both hands and a leg in a bombing and he does great talks about how the power of Allah has helped him overcome his limitations. He invites kids to seek Allah's grace and invite him into their heart. Would it be OK for him to come into your child's school? If so, I also know a Satanist with a great story as well...

PettyOfficer
09-12-2012, 19:19
Hitler was a Catholic. Many high ranking members of the Catholic Church had dealings with Hitler. I believe even the pope wished him a happy birthday.

Yeah, not a good time for the Catholic Church... That and the whole pedophile thing... I pretty much dropped out of catholicism in 9th grade (went to a elementary, jr high and then catholic high school and was sick of the ridiculous religion courses taught by uptight and narrow minded nuns). I'm a Recovering Catholic now, more agnostic than atheist, but religious idiots just can't help but push me towards atheism.

muscogee
09-13-2012, 02:09
Fine with this fellow presenting in a public school. There are plenty of children being forced to have to listen to how queers and their lifestyle are all supposed to be treated as normal, just because the left-wing liberals say such must be tolerated. School children are forced to listen to the unmitigated propaganda of planned parenthood and their surrogates pushing the killing of children as choice rather than the flushing of a child judged as to inconvenient to live. Again the left-wing liberals all trumpet this as right and good in the name of left-wing liberalism. So... let this man say what he will in the public school. And if the left-wing liberals get their underwear in a wad over it, so what? Why should anyone at all care? It's no like what they think matters. Turn about is fair play.

Would you feel the same way if he were Muslim? How about if he were a Marxists?

Glock36shooter
09-13-2012, 09:16
Would you feel the same way if he were Muslim? How about if he were a Marxists?

Or even a Satanist. Preaching that the Bible got it wrong and Satan is actually a loving being that just wants you to be happy.