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doc540
09-07-2012, 14:20
This is gonna take a LOT of work.

Day 1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Targets/IMAG0505-1.jpg

Day 2 - slight improvement
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Targets/Commander-1.jpg

Frustrating, but fun!

countrygun
09-07-2012, 14:26
Stick with it. Practice is rarely pretty (if people showed all their practice targets, you'd feel better I promise)

On a good note, my experience tells me, from looking at the pics, that the gun "wants" to be a good shooter.

You can do as good with that pistol as your determination pushes you.

Bren
09-07-2012, 14:33
I'll trade you a Glock for it. :rofl:

Bren
09-07-2012, 14:35
Do you have a good thumbs forward grip, with plenty of contact between the left grip and your left palm? Are you dry firing to learn where the trigger breaks? Are you taking up the slack, then getting a good sight picture while the trigger is at the break point?

Glock45Lover
09-07-2012, 14:36
Truth be told, that is actually pretty good for 25 yards.

:thumbsup:

glock2740
09-07-2012, 14:39
Those targets represent the BG being hit COM, every time, in over 100 rounds at 25 yards. That's real world shooting. I don't CC every day to try and win bullseye target matches. Hits like that count when the chips are down. :cool:

doc540
09-07-2012, 14:40
Thanks, all good advice and, yes, to all of it.

Only my second day to shoot centerfire beyond self defense distances, and I agree the Commander will regularly shoot 2" groups at 25 yards.

Just had a BarSto match barrel fitted for it.

Shot my carry piece at 25 today just for fun. It made bigger holes. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Targets/CCO25Yards.jpg

glock2740
09-07-2012, 14:50
Off a sandbag bench rest I would expect your groups to tighten up quite a bit, but offhand at 25 yards, those are very respectable hits.

doc540
09-07-2012, 14:52
Off a sandbag bench rest I would expect your groups to tighten up quite a bit, but offhand at 25 yards, those are very respectable hits.

Oh, yes, from a rest it's like cheating things tighten up so easily.

My Smith M41 at 50 yards from a rest is boring. :wow:

faawrenchbndr
09-07-2012, 16:06
Are you shooting sights only, or are you using the laser as well?

doc540
09-07-2012, 16:51
Are you shooting sights only, or are you using the laser as well?

Excellent question.

Neither my wife nor I practice using the CT lasers, only with the sights.

What eventually happens is the laser follows our eyes rather than our eyes following the laser.

It's only for lowlight conditions anyway.

Thanks

257 roberts
09-07-2012, 16:54
Truth be told, that is actually pretty good for 25 yards.

:thumbsup:
yes very good!

doc540
09-07-2012, 16:58
yes very good!

Thanks, but....

Have you ever seen a decent bullseye shooter? :wow:

Some of the guys I practice with shoot NRA bullseye competition and group, one-handed at 50 yds.

Disregarded9-side
09-10-2012, 10:54
Good shooting.

It's amazing how much of a difference the loss of 3/4ths of an inch of sight radius can make.

doc540
09-10-2012, 11:02
Here's an example of how it's supposed to be done.

25 yards, rapid fire

Definitely not by me :o
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Targets/1911target.jpg

Road Dog
09-10-2012, 11:31
That is not bad at all for 25 yards with no rest. Keep on practicing the groups will tighten up.

RD

ca survivor
09-11-2012, 07:02
not bad for 25 yards

bac1023
09-11-2012, 08:13
25 yards is a long way for off hand shooting.

bac1023
09-11-2012, 08:13
not bad for 25 yards

:agree:

majette
09-12-2012, 22:18
i start at 5 to 7 yds then gradually move back. easy to tell what you need to correct up close. also the need to get comfortable with the gun and trigger is not amplified by distance.

Quack
09-15-2012, 07:13
i start at 5 to 7 yds then gradually move back. easy to tell what you need to correct up close. also the need to get comfortable with the gun and trigger is not amplified by distance.

+1.

once you can consistently get the rounds touching, move the target back and work from there.

also work on getting a good trigger press with dry fire practice.

here's a quick video that i did for Hokie.
balance an empty case on the front sight and press the trigger w/o disrupting the case.
VIDEO0030.mp4 - YouTube

VIDEO0031.mp4 - YouTube


here's a video that i did for a guy on another forum that said that the above video is easier with a lighter 1911 trigger and would be hard doing it with a 11# trigger a revolver has.
(yes i know my grip is a little low, this was just a quick video)
VIDEO0048.mp4 - YouTube

Ruble Noon
09-15-2012, 09:46
This is gonna take a LOT of work.

Day 1



Day 2 - slight improvement
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Targets/Commander-1.jpg

Frustrating, but fun!

Thanks, all good advice and, yes, to all of it.

Only my second day to shoot centerfire beyond self defense distances, and I agree the Commander will regularly shoot 2" groups at 25 yards.

Just had a BarSto match barrel fitted for it.

Shot my carry piece at 25 today just for fun. It made bigger holes. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Targets/CCO25Yards.jpg

These targets look fairly similar for being from two different guns. I think if you concentrate on trigger control you will see your groups improve.

Quack
09-15-2012, 09:53
Grip, trigger control and sight alignment/picture. One of those can be bad and you still should have good groups.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2

Ruble Noon
09-15-2012, 09:55
25 yards is a long way for off hand shooting.

Try shooting at a 4" bullseye at 50 yards.

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/actionpistol.asp

I won first place in production center fire with my Hi-Power last weekend. :cool:

Cochese
09-25-2012, 11:03
+1.

once you can consistently get the rounds touching, move the target back and work from there.

also work on getting a good trigger press with dry fire practice.

here's a quick video that i did for Hokie.
balance an empty case on the front sight and press the trigger w/o disrupting the case.
VIDEO0030.mp4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNQqQMkKbg)

VIDEO0031.mp4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4iti_tkv3I)


here's a video that i did for a guy on another forum that said that the above video is easier with a lighter 1911 trigger and would be hard doing it with a 11# trigger a revolver has.
(yes i know my grip is a little low, this was just a quick video)
VIDEO0048.mp4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE0CFkGXiCI)


Does the glue come off with heat?

:supergrin:

Berto
09-25-2012, 11:23
It helps also to use a target that contrasts with the sights, esp indoors. Black on black makes things really tough when lighting is poor. a lot of my guns 'frame' pretty nicely on an NRA 50m target shooting at 25yrds.

doc540
09-25-2012, 12:59
all good advice, thanks

Just today I had my gunsmith reshape the front sight since Novak said they didn't have the correct height in stock and would have to machine a custom height.

Shot it today at 25, and it's much easier to get in the center.