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4949shooter
09-09-2012, 07:56
180 XTP:

10mm Hornady XTP 180 gr JHP Ammo Test - YouTube

Silvertip:

10mm Winchester Silvertip Ammo Test - YouTube

I would like to know the penetration of Underwood's 180 XTP in gelatin.

uz2bUSMC
09-09-2012, 08:35
Thanks for posting. That factory XTP wasn't half bad. Man, he does a great job with these tests!

MotoGlock
09-09-2012, 08:39
He also has the test of the Underwood 180gr 10mm!

copo9560
09-09-2012, 08:50
+1 on testing Underwood 180 XTP, would also like to see some bonded 165's tested.

wrestler034
09-09-2012, 09:11
I messaged him about the Underwood 165 gr gold dots. He said the test is going to be done around the end of the month.

uz2bUSMC
09-09-2012, 09:21
Pretty sure that at the rate he is going, we are going to see most if not all of the test we would like to see.

Berto
09-09-2012, 09:40
Thanks for posting. That factory XTP wasn't half bad. Man, he does a great job with these tests!

Agreed, it's great having him as a resource.
Both loads did pretty decent IMO, I was surprised the Hornady load actually had fair velocity too.

alwaysshootin
09-09-2012, 09:56
Pretty sure that at the rate he is going, we are going to see most if not all of the test we would like to see.

It is great seeing someone taking the time to do this. I liked the last comment in the 175 grain Silver Tip video, mentioning rolling your own. If he goes that route, I would personally love to see some loads in the XTP bullet lineup at different velocities. Something in the 165 grain weight, at lets say, 1200 FPS.:cool:

WiskyT
09-09-2012, 11:25
There is no way that fat **** Governor is going to buy you 10mm's.

9mm +p+
09-09-2012, 12:51
Great tests, wish I could find a decently priced 20 upper for my 21. Please, please a test of Underwoods 45 acp 230 +p gold dot.

cowboy1964
09-09-2012, 13:44
I was hoping for more impressive results from the Silvertip but hey, it IS an old design.

All in all I still think his Gold Dot and Golden Saber Bonded .357 Sig tests have been the most impressive.

cowboy1964
09-09-2012, 13:46
There is no way that fat **** Governor is going to buy you 10mm's.

?????

WiskyT
09-09-2012, 14:01
?????

4949 has been coveting the 10mm for a while. Since christy creme won't even pay into the pension fund as required to by law, I doubt he'll be buying the NJSP 10mm's any time soon.

uz2bUSMC
09-09-2012, 14:06
4949 has been coveting the 10mm for a while. Since christy creme won't even pay into the pension fund as required to by law, I doubt he'll be buying the NJSP 10mm's any time soon.

So that is a shot at 4949 or LE or both? Or neither?:dunno:

WiskyT
09-09-2012, 15:15
So that is a shot at 4949 or LE or both? Or neither?:dunno:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G9RE09rwe5E/UD7C0OQOHSI/AAAAAAAAIYE/NGQ7O9cyQPc/s1600/chris-christie-get-in-my-belly-fat-disgusting-pig-meme.jpg

WiskyT
09-09-2012, 15:17
http://uploads.static.vosizneias.com/2012/07/christie-obama.jpg

uz2bUSMC
09-09-2012, 15:18
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G9RE09rwe5E/UD7C0OQOHSI/AAAAAAAAIYE/NGQ7O9cyQPc/s1600/chris-christie-get-in-my-belly-fat-disgusting-pig-meme.jpg

:thumbsup:

WiskyT
09-09-2012, 16:45
:thumbsup:

My chief used to have the same build. He got that lapband thing and now we call him the skinny fatman.

uz2bUSMC
09-09-2012, 17:16
My chief used to have the same build. He got that lapband thing and now we call him the skinny fatman.

Lapband = muffin top!

WiskyT
09-09-2012, 17:26
Lapband = muffin top!

He was the whole muffin! He actually got this

http://www.lapband.com/en/home/

But instead of looking like the happy people on the website, he looks like a worn out sneaker. He actually looked healthier when he was fat. His hair has turned white and he's all gray skinned and weathered looking. Sooner or later they have to take that thing off his stomach, and when they do, he'll explode again.

JW1178
09-09-2012, 18:00
Thanks for posting to the OP and thanks to Tnoutdoors9 for yet another great 10mm test.

The 180xtp performed well but I think has a lot more potential that underwood could probably bring. The silvertips performed pretty much how I expected in that they really aren't impressive. The 155 .40 load chronos those velocities and performs about the same, or should I say underperforms. The silvertip is however the load that made 10mm famous. Some say they are the victims of the 10mm waterdown process.

I do believe that after that Underwood 180 GD 10mm test, not much is going to stack up.

Ethereal Killer
09-09-2012, 19:12
That bullet is gonna fragment much worse at 1300 fps. you will probably see similar expansion but I would expect the jacket to separate frankly.

I think Doc Roberts is right when he says what the 10mm needs is a better bonded bullet. the gold dot is not tough enough but with a little tweaking would probably be good.

I'd like to see a hot 200gr XTP and a hot 180gr XTP for comparison sake.

does anyone load those 10mm plated hollow points that have that weird flat nose and small cavity? I think X-treme or Ranier or someone like that makes those. I wonder how those would do?

JW1178
09-09-2012, 20:31
A "stronger" bullet probably wouldn't expand as much or as quickly but would just penetrate deeper. Perhaps a bonded XTP would be ideal?

MotoGlock
09-09-2012, 21:22
here's the link to the underwood 10mm 180gr.


10mm Underwood Ammo Gold Dot 180 gr Ammo Test - YouTube

4949shooter
09-10-2012, 13:55
Thanks Moto.

I'm glad you guys enjoyed the tests. Hopefully we will see more from tnoutdoors as far as 10mm tests go.

Glock&Schpeel
01-30-2013, 18:54
Old thread dredger here . . .

So what is the conclusion? I wasn't able to draw a definitive conclusion on whether or not the Underwood bonded or XTP would be a better choice? I was impressed by the first part of the last video (on the bonded Underwood) but some comments he made toward the end left me confused.

Glock&Schpeel
01-30-2013, 18:56
Net burp caused double post. Sry.

1canvas
01-30-2013, 21:29
here's the link to the underwood 10mm 180gr.


10mm Underwood Ammo Gold Dot 180 gr Ammo Test - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl_n_miLfbY)

this is a good example of a bullet pushed beyond its performance envelope. speed isn't everything:dunno:.

cookand
01-30-2013, 22:47
this is a good example of a bullet pushed beyond its performance envelope. speed isn't everything:dunno:.

Other than the final shape of the bullet, what about that test do you not like?

unit1069
01-31-2013, 01:20
Why are all tnoutdoors' videos whited out on my computer? This hasn't happened previously. I hear the audio but the video is total white screen.

4949shooter
01-31-2013, 03:51
Why are all tnoutdoors' videos whited out on my computer? This hasn't happened previously. I hear the audio but the video is total white screen.

Don't know, but they are working on my computer now.

4949shooter
01-31-2013, 03:54
Old thread dredger here . . .

So what is the conclusion? I wasn't able to draw a definitive conclusion on whether or not the Underwood bonded or XTP would be a better choice? I was impressed by the first part of the last video (on the bonded Underwood) but some comments he made toward the end left me confused.

I think he is telling us to draw our own conclusions. Do we think the bullet is pushed past it's envelope? Some might say yes and some might say no.

What I can say is I wouldn't want to be hit with that bullet.

SCmasterblaster
01-31-2013, 09:16
Great caliber, the 10mm Auto.

1canvas
01-31-2013, 09:57
Other than the final shape of the bullet, what about that test do you not like?

I am more comfortable with a bullet expansion in the 1 1/2 X diameter for best overall performance with 2x being max.
I know there are many that believe different and thats ok, but many bullet manufactures target the 1 1/2X in their designing of expanding pistol bullets and concider that as best all around.

SCmasterblaster
01-31-2013, 10:01
The 10mm wound tracks in the gelatin tests are most impressive.

Glock&Schpeel
01-31-2013, 14:29
Double Tap ammo, regardless of caliber, seems to always favor high speed. Bonded ammo seems to favor barrier penetration. High tech hollowpoints seem to favor penetration and expansion provided there is no barrier and a normal amount of clothing. That video on the bonded seemed to have elements of all 3. It was very interesting how it quickly did a massive amount of damage then continued on AND retained almost all of its' weight. I'm thinking for me that's the way to go but I'd still love a few more opinions!

SCmasterblaster
01-31-2013, 16:05
The 10mm has the chance to surpass the .357 Magnum in stopping power - providing that they get rid of the reduced-velocity loading

390ish
01-31-2013, 18:35
I don't have access to any gel or that sort of thing, but a buddy of mine gave me a big pile of 180 grain Remington golden sabre bullets a few years ago. I loaded them them to the book redline with 800-x. What a smack out of a 10mm. I really think it is still a handloader's proposition. It is fun to shoot cast bullets out of a Delta, but that cartridge can be made into a real beast out of Glock. I have not shot any of the botique Double Tap or Underwood loads. 800-x and Longshot with 180 grain bullets are fierce.

Ak.Hiker
01-31-2013, 21:47
The 200 grain Nosler JHP would be interesting to see tested in a full power 10mm load.

4949shooter
02-01-2013, 04:07
Did you guys see the TNoutdoors test of the Underwood 200 grain XTP? It actually penetrated slightly LESS than the Hornady 180 and silvertip loadings.

More velocity in some case equals more expansion and less penetration, even with a 200 grain XTP bullet.

4949shooter
02-01-2013, 04:21
Here is the 200 grain XTP test:

AMMO TEST: 10mm Underwood 200 gr Hornady XTP JHP - YouTube

SDGlock23
02-01-2013, 13:31
The 200 grain Nosler JHP would be interesting to see tested in a full power 10mm load.

I have shot quite a few of these, and compared to the 200gr XTP, the 200gr Nosler doesn't hold up as well.

Granted I don't have Gel, but from the G35 .40 I've shot the 200gr XTP @ 1250 fps and it penetrated to the six jug and only shed about 20gr of weight. Loaded to around 1100-1150 fps the Nosler came completely apart and penetrated much less, all that was left was pieces.

I'm sure gel isn't quite as hard on a bullet as water, but still I don't think the Nosler is nearly as tough as the XTP.

Left: 200gr Nosler at ~1100 fps Right: 200gr XTP at ~1250 fps

http://imageshack.us/a/img812/96/40sw200grnosler1100fps2.jpg

SCmasterblaster
02-01-2013, 15:50
Great video of a great cartridge.

Ak.Hiker
02-03-2013, 13:36
Did you guys see the TNoutdoors test of the Underwood 200 grain XTP? It actually penetrated slightly LESS than the Hornady 180 and silvertip loadings.

More velocity in some case equals more expansion and less penetration, even with a 200 grain XTP bullet.

Must be a reason Hornady loads their factory load to 1050.

Ak.Hiker
02-03-2013, 13:41
Thanks for the info SDGlock23.

4949shooter
02-03-2013, 13:44
Must be a reason Hornady loads their factory load to 1050.

No doubt.

Climbhard
02-03-2013, 13:49
Must be a reason Hornady loads their factory load to 1050.

Frankly I was a little surprised too to see that the Hornady 180 XTP seemed to outperform the Hot Underwood 200 XTP.

4949shooter
02-03-2013, 13:53
Frankly I was a little surprised too to see that the Hornady 180 XTP seemed to outperform the Hot Underwood 200 XTP.

I was surprised also. It appears to me that Hornady has found the "sweet spot" with that bullet and velocity level. Kudos to them.

LASTRESORT20
02-03-2013, 14:53
I was surprised also. It appears to me that Hornady has found the "sweet spot" with that bullet and velocity level. Kudos to them.


Myself also....very surprised....interesting.