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piperman
09-11-2012, 08:41
Hi,
has anyone used plated bullets for their 10mm loads? I have some Xpress 180 gr plated, that I had bought for my .40, but never shoot .40 after changing to a .357 Sig barrel. :)
I have a G20 Gen 3, just got it, and have a ton of 10 mm brass. I am just wondering what everyone uses for range ammo?

Thanks,
Steve

nickE10mm
09-11-2012, 09:53
Hi,
has anyone used plated bullets for their 10mm loads? I have some Xpress 180 gr plated, that I had bought for my .40, but never shoot .40 after changing to a .357 Sig barrel. :)
I have a G20 Gen 3, just got it, and have a ton of 10 mm brass. I am just wondering what everyone uses for range ammo?

Thanks,
Steve

Plated bullets are excellent range ammo ... keep the velocities down and they work well. Not as cheap as pure cast but way cheaper than FMJ. I reload, so I used a lot of cast and plated low-level stuff in addition to my full power handloads.

alwaysshootin
09-11-2012, 09:58
I've never used plated, for any caliber I shoot, but just go ahead, and load to 180 grain lead recipes. You should do just fine, loading the plated bullets, at those levels

piperman
09-11-2012, 10:01
I am new to shooting/reloading for Glocks. So this whole thing with the barrels had me a bit leary of loading for it. I usually load and shoot cast, but since I haven't bought a new barrel yet..... I have Clays, Win Auto-Comp, Unique, AA#7, recommendations for the 180 gr plated loads? I haven't used #7 in anything but my JHP .357 Sig loads.

Thanks,
Steve

DWARREN123
09-11-2012, 13:46
In most cases if you keep them below 1250 FPS they will work in just about any handgun.
I have reloaded many jacketed, plated and lead for Glocks in 10mm, 40 S&W and 9mm with no problems and much fun. :supergrin:

piperman
09-11-2012, 14:45
Sounds good. I'll get some loaded up. I just need to figure out which powder....


Thanks,
Steve

BenKeith
09-11-2012, 16:57
As mentioned, load them light. I've shot several thousand 135 grain with 6.0 grains of W231. That and 165 grain JHP's with 10.4gr BlueDot are my main practice rounds

RDub01
09-11-2012, 17:33
Hi,
has anyone used plated bullets for their 10mm loads? I have some Xpress 180 gr plated, that I had bought for my .40, but never shoot .40 after changing to a .357 Sig barrel. :)
I have a G20 Gen 3, just got it, and have a ton of 10 mm brass. I am just wondering what everyone uses for range ammo?

Thanks,
Steve

Here is a few I tried in my G20SF..

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1442219

OhioGlockMan
09-12-2012, 09:03
I have three favorite loadings for the 10mm with Rainier plated bullets. All of these loads are shot with my 6 inch lone wolf barrel, I always use winchester WLP primers, and I have tested these in starline, remington, and double tap brass and all 3 brass brands produce same velocity and results, oh and always 1.255 COAL......

• Light light plinking "lady and youth" load... 155 gr flat point, 7.3 grains Unique, clocks mid to high 1200's FPS, power level a hair more then a 40, very light kick.

• Warm load #1.... 155 flat point, 8 grains Unique, clocks low 1300 FPS, still light kick.

• Warm Load #2..... 180 flat point, 8 grains Power Pistol, clocks low 1200's. Recoil almost identical to shooting a full size Gov't 1911 with 230 gr hardball or any 230 gr non plus P loading. GREAT bowling pin blasting load.

• Hot Load #1..... 180 flat point, 8.5 gr Power Pistol. Clocks 1300 FPS. Nice fireball, stout kick, another great bowling pin blasting load.

• Hot Load #2...... 155 Flat point, 9.5 gr power pistol. Clocks 1500 FPS. Hot moma.

Expect 100-200 FPS less from stock length 4.6 inch barrel, perhaps 250 fps less from glock 29 barrel. Dont belive all the bad stuff people tell u about Rainiers cant be pushed fast. Mine work fine as long as you bell out the case mouth generously so plating wont be disturbed and use virtually no crimp, just enough to cartridges will chamber, no more no less

And one more thing- these are with Rainier plated, I have no experience with the Xpress brand, but I would assume velocities and pressures would be similar. From my experience the Rainier plated work fine pushed to these high velocities, but if you try my light loads first and work up u should be fine with the other brand plated u have

piperman
09-12-2012, 13:50
Thank you for all of that info. I feel pretty confident in loading those now for range use. How many grains of Unique would you put in for a 180 gr. plated FP? I was thinking 8, but looking at your 155 that may be a bit much even with C.O.L. at 1.260"

Steve

piperman
09-12-2012, 14:11
After doing more searching it looks like 7 gr will work pretty good with 180 gr at 1.260". Should be light.

Steve

Taterhead
09-12-2012, 19:54
I've never used plated, for any caliber I shoot, but just go ahead, and load to 180 grain lead recipes. You should do just fine, loading the plated bullets, at those levels

Good advice. A tad more is ok too, up to about 1050 fps for a 180.

Taterhead
09-12-2012, 19:56
PowerBond plated bullets are great "copper bonded" (like a thickly-plated bullet). I have loaded 1500 of them in the past few months with great results - unlike the Berry's & Rainier type of plated bullets. I have loaded a few thousand traditional plated bullets before finding PowerBond.

piperman
09-12-2012, 20:23
I loaded up 100 of my 180 gr with 7 grains of Unique. I will try those on my next range trip. Actually only got 99, one case cracked, I guess the nickel got hardened.

Steve

piperman
09-13-2012, 09:22
Here is a few I tried in my G20SF..

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1442219

I like the 11.0 grains of AA#7 group, what OAL are you using?

Steve

gator378
09-13-2012, 09:39
Hi,
has anyone used plated bullets for their 10mm loads? I have some Xpress 180 gr plated, that I had bought for my .40, but never shoot .40 after changing to a .357 Sig barrel. :)
I have a G20 Gen 3, just got it, and have a ton of 10 mm brass. I am just wondering what everyone uses for range ammo?

Thanks,
Steve

Rainer or Berry's 200 grains with 12.0 grains of AA#9. Never had a problem, accurate. Have to be a little careful when seating that the seating stem does not flatten the nose too much since they are softer than jacket bullets.

RDub01
09-13-2012, 17:19
I like the 11.0 grains of AA#7 group, what OAL are you using?

Steve


Hi
1.260". All the loads are that length. I didn't write it very large, but it's written under '180gr SPEER TMJ'..

piperman
09-13-2012, 17:31
Ok good, I'm going to try that load also.

Thanks,
Steve

arkdweller22
09-13-2012, 21:37
Plated bullets are great. I use them almost exclusively for my plinking rounds in all handgun calibers.

For 10MM, I have loaded 180 Grain bullets with as little as 5.7 Grains of Unique and it functions all my 10's just fine. The slide tends to move sluggishly however.
Typically I load 6 grains of Unique under a 180 X-treme plated bullet. I get about 1000 FPS out of a Glock 20 with a steel guide rod and 22# spring. It feels like a light 9MM!

X-treme bullets states that their bullets can be pushed to 1200 FPS without issue. I have pushed them to 1400 FPS without coppering (is that even a word?) or leading.

Berry's markets a "double-struck" plated bullet rated to 1400.

I've used them both and can recommend them with confidence.

ETA: COAL is 1.250, primers are CCI #300 or Federal #150's.

piperman
09-14-2012, 07:33
arkdweller22 - That is good to hear, I have been looking at Berry's also, as I haven't been able to find anymore of the Xpress locally. I did end up loading 100 rounds of the Xpress 180 FP over 7 gr of Unique and used OAL of 1.260" with WLP primers. It's good to know that I can go down to 6 and get a good load.

Thanks,
Steve

OhioGlockMan
09-14-2012, 09:00
Thank you for all of that info. I feel pretty confident in loading those now for range use. How many grains of Unique would you put in for a 180 gr. plated FP? I was thinking 8, but looking at your 155 that may be a bit much even with C.O.L. at 1.260"

Steve

Piperman, I have no experience with unique powder and a 180 gr slug in 10mm, but yes I agree I think 8 grains would be very very high pressure. Personally I have found in the 180 gr weight power pistol to work very well for light to medium to hot, and blue dot around 11 grains for really hot 180 grain loadings, 11 gr blue dot clocks 1385 fps from my 6 inch barrel

piperman
09-14-2012, 09:10
OhioGlockMan, after I started re-reading everything and looking at other empirical data, I realized that might be pretty hot. I don't have any Blue Dot, that was why I was looking at the Unique, and AA#7. I don't use the 180gr slugs in .40 any more, since I don't like the round, I wanted to use what I had for now, and get some experience loading 10mm loads. I may get some blue dot and work some of that up. I never cared for the Unique in my .45, just seems really dirty. I only have a stock Glock 20 barrel for now. Does anyone make a fully supported barrel for the Glock?

Steve

OhioGlockMan
09-14-2012, 09:19
piperman,

Unique will work great for what I call light "lady & youth" loads in the 10mm, up to a tad bit more power then the .40, but you will need to use power pistol or blue dot or #9 or 800X for hot loads. Well I bought my lone wolf barrel a couple years ago and its fully supported- some people recently on here have said their new lone wolf barrels are NOT fully supported. I wrote lone wolf company an e-mail and they stated they still are all fully supported. I don't know what to make of that honestly. Whatever aftermarket barrel you get I highly recommend a 6 inch, it will add 100-150 FPS without having to resort to higher pressures and you dont notice it when target shooting. I just put my stock barrel back on in a miniute for CCW

Oh and Ill add I LOVE power pistol, thats the one id recommend for all round use in the 10

piperman
09-14-2012, 09:26
OhioGlockMan,

I had read that too, that was why I was concerned. I didn't want to have to go to Bar-Sto if I didn't have to, lots more money but I know they are good.
I was thinking of getting the ported barrel if I went longer, which was also my desire to do. Yes, keep the stock one for CCW for sure. I may just go get some Power Pistol then. I can load hotter with that than Unique, if I so desire, which would be nice. I suppose a 22# spring might be a good idea too?

Steve

blastfact
09-14-2012, 21:13
Hi,
has anyone used plated bullets for their 10mm loads? I have some Xpress 180 gr plated, that I had bought for my .40, but never shoot .40 after changing to a .357 Sig barrel. :)
I have a G20 Gen 3, just got it, and have a ton of 10 mm brass. I am just wondering what everyone uses for range ammo?

Thanks,
Steve

For me range ammo is my SD, HD and hunting ammo. I practice, plink and have fun with my working ammo.

In short no plated bullets will ever visit my barrel. :)

OhioGlockMan
09-14-2012, 21:13
Steve,

Yes absolutely use a #22 lb spring, I find my glock cycles just fine with the light unique loads all the way up to the hot loads, and it will keep your brass from flinging too far away. Thats a tough call with the barrel, my suggestion would be to call Lone Wolf directly and get them to get it in writing that it will be fully supported, and make sure they have a return policy. For a little over a hundred bucks the one I got works like a charm, it works so well theres no point in spending double or more for the other brands. Here's a video of me shooting mine with the 6 inch barrel and nuclear blue dot loads..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cwMDYpl1A

MinervaDoe
09-14-2012, 23:14
I've put thousands of rounds of plated bullets through my 10mm Glocks. I just make an effort to keep the velocities below 1,200 fps, and they work fine.

I believe that the book "The Glock in Competition" is where I read that a lot of the top Glock competitors practice with a steady diet of palted rounds.

piperman
09-15-2012, 21:23
Those are pretty stout. I'll be ordering a new spring. I picked up a lb. of PP today, going to load some up. I wish I had some plated for my 26, I only have cast in 9 though. I may have to check out that book.

Steve

bush pilot
09-17-2012, 09:35
I've put thousands of plated 180 gr Extremes through my different 10s using AA7 without any issues. I can't imagine footing the bill if all I shot were jacketed bullets.

OhioGlockMan
09-17-2012, 10:48
Piperman,

Please let us know if you go the route of the Lone Wolf Barrel if they are still fully supported. I am very curious. Also let us know your chrono results!

piperman
09-17-2012, 11:15
I agree, jacketed would be an expensive ammo bill.

I think that I will go with the LW barrel, I was told that they are still fully supported.
I am still debating on getting a ported one or not.

For the price those are pretty good for the money.

No chrono here. I can only go by feel and case.

Steve

MinervaDoe
09-17-2012, 13:42
I agree, jacketed would be an expensive ammo bill.
Actually, compare the price delivered of precision Delta jacketed Bullets to plated bullets. I've switched to these over Ranier.

http://www.precisiondelta.com/product.php?indx=5

piperman
09-17-2012, 13:52
That's a pretty good price, how are they as far as variance? I bought Montana Gold before and in a batch I have found 5 gr +/- from the published weight.

Steve

piperman
09-17-2012, 18:17
I shot the 180 gr plated with 7 gr of Unique with an OAL 1.260". These were not very light but felt pretty good. Very accurate too. I need to get a stiffer recoil spring, also going to try the Power Pistol recipe.

Taterhead
09-17-2012, 19:51
I agree, jacketed would be an expensive ammo bill.

I think that I will go with the LW barrel, I was told that they are still fully supported.
I am still debating on getting a ported one or not.

For the price those are pretty good for the money.

No chrono here. I can only go by feel and case.

Steve

If you are a reloader, I would skip the barrel and use the money for a chronograph. A chronograph is a much more useful investment than an aftermarket barrel. Not trying to talk you out of an aftermarket barrel (although I personally have not needed one), but it would be a much lower priority for a reloader than a chronograph in my opinion.

Taterhead
09-17-2012, 19:57
...

Berry's markets a "double-struck" plated bullet rated to 1400.

I've used them both and can recommend them with confidence.

ETA: COAL is 1.250, primers are CCI #300 or Federal #150's.

You have had a different experience with Berry's than I have. I have loaded several thousand "Double Struck" Berry's 180s, and groups simply go to pieces when pushed above 1100 fps. I have used a number of different powders too.

The Xtreme bullets sound a bit like PowerBond bullets (i.e. thicker copper). PBs can be pushed, but Berry's just can't seem to hang. At least that has been the case in my G20. They work fine in 40 S&W.

piperman
09-17-2012, 20:17
If you are a reloader, I would skip the barrel and use the money for a chronograph. A chronograph is a much more useful investment than an aftermarket barrel. Not trying to talk you out of an aftermarket barrel (although I personally have not needed one), but it would be a much lower priority for a reloader than a chronograph in my opinion.

I have wondered if it would be worth getting one. I didn't know, I know no one that does have one. I wonder if I can use it at my range. The reason that I was going with an aftermarket barrel, is to get one with true rifling, so that I can use my hard cast reloads in my Glocks, but at least that isn't a factor for my 20 so much.

Steve

RDub01
09-17-2012, 23:23
+1 on the chronograph:agree: (gotta use one of these little bastards sometime..lol)

A good one will open up a whole new world for you..

piperman
09-18-2012, 07:08
Ok, do most ranges let you set them up in a bay? Because I know you need to be a bit of a distance from the muzzle.

OhioGlockMan
09-18-2012, 19:40
Piperman, if your talking about an indoor range prob not, I have been to 4 different outdoor ranges around here and they all have no issue letting you use a chronograph. Also be aware that with an indoor range the light will be an issue because you need at least a bright cloudy day, or use an accessory light that would be an extra 75 or so. Fluorescent lights are no good no matter how bright because they actually flicker super fast, its imperceptible to us but throws the chrono off. Do you have an outdoor range u can use? Or perhaps someone with private property that will let you shoot on it?

piperman
09-18-2012, 20:31
I do shoot at an outdoor range. I didn't know how far from the muzzle you need to be.
Just wondering, I would like to do that.

Taterhead
09-18-2012, 20:45
I do shoot at an outdoor range. I didn't know how far from the muzzle you need to be.
Just wondering, I would like to do that.

I back up about 5 yards. Some powders will mess with chrony readings if much closer.

Set a good target behind the chrony so you have something to aim at. You will be less likely to shoot your chrony if you have something to aim at rather than trying to not shoot the chrony (ask me how I know :rofl:). Also, this is a good way to check for groups when doing your load workups. Get chrony data, function checks, groups etc. It can be a lot going on at once, but you get a feel for it. Go as slowly as needed.

I have had good results with the Competition Electronics ProChrono. Simple to operate. No frills.

https://www.competitionelectronics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=7&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=79

piperman
09-18-2012, 20:56
My range is different, it is setup just like indoor, with lanes. I think I can shoot at the action pistol bay though.
I'll check out that chrono.

Thanks,
Steve

arkdweller22
09-19-2012, 11:32
You have had a different experience with Berry's than I have. I have loaded several thousand "Double Struck" Berry's 180s, and groups simply go to pieces when pushed above 1100 fps. I have used a number of different powders too.

The Xtreme bullets sound a bit like PowerBond bullets (i.e. thicker copper). PBs can be pushed, but Berry's just can't seem to hang. At least that has been the case in my G20. They work fine in 40 S&W.

I don't typically push plated loads past 1200 fps, usually I keep them right at 1000 - 1050. I will, however, load up a few rounds with Berry's double struck bullets to 1300 or so to see if my groups open up as well.

It would be good to know if this is a common issue with Berry's bullets.

Taterhead
09-19-2012, 22:35
I don't typically push plated loads past 1200 fps, usually I keep them right at 1000 - 1050. I will, however, load up a few rounds with Berry's double struck bullets to 1300 or so to see if my groups open up as well.

It would be good to know if this is a common issue with Berry's bullets.

I am curious about how this works for you.

Check carefully for pressure symptoms. They have a higher operating pressure typically than an FMJ. Max for a Berry's is mid-range book data for FMJs. Also, look for leading in the barrel. At higher pressures and velocities, gasses can breach the copper and lead the barrel. Berry's at high velocities have been bad juju in my testing.

glockout
09-22-2012, 06:09
Have to agree with Tater and others who talked about using a chrony. I only work up a load with one. You can't tell by feel. Also get a loading manual or three and check your loads there. Relying only what is typed in a forum is rather foolish, always collect your own data through your own gun with a book load. Don't venture above those loads without some instrumentation.

Not trying to dis any specific person here but typos do occur and you never know who is an internet commando who will repeat anything without personally testing it.

Just a quote from the Lyman #49 manual: "Maximum charges are never to be exceeded. THEY ARE NOT DELIBERATELY HELD TO CONSERVATIVE LEVELS. They are the exact charge that produces the maximum pressure allowed or otherwise proved to be the maximum pressure we could list. Never use the maximum charge without carefully working up to it from the Suggested Starting Grains. It is quite possible that the maximum load may not be safe in your firearm....."

OhioGlockMan
09-22-2012, 09:39
I can't imagine life without a chrony, otherwise you will have no idea whats going on! I have found two things to be true- most factory ammo does not live up to advertized velocity claims, a lot of times no where near, and this goes across many many different pistol and rifle rounds ive tested as well as .22 lr. Second a lot of times a particular load will have an impressive kick and fireball etc, even flatten primers a lot but you run it over the chrony and wonder where all the power went.

MinervaDoe
09-22-2012, 19:49
That's a pretty good price, how are they as far as variance? I bought Montana Gold before and in a batch I have found 5 gr +/- from the published weight.

Steve
Precision delta? I weighed a dozen 165 grain rounds and the weight ran from 165.0 to 165.5

Ranier ... plated ?... I weighed six 155 grain rounds and they ran from 154.5 to 155.8.

Both bullets are very accurate in my G20 and G29.

piperman
09-24-2012, 08:19
Those rounds sound like they would be very good, and they are pretty consistent. I couldn't believe how much variation I had in the Montana Gold JFP and JHP in 125 gr.
So far these X-treme 180 gr are working well with 7 gr of Unique, pretty good target load, not as accurate as I would expect, maybe going to the Power Pistol and working up a good load might yield better results.

Steve

gator378
09-26-2012, 16:27
Plated bullets are excellent range ammo ... keep the velocities down and they work well. Not as cheap as pure cast but way cheaper than FMJ. I reload, so I used a lot of cast and plated low-level stuff in addition to my full power handloads.

+ 1 I use 200 grain Rainers and Berrys with 13.0 grains of AA #9. Never had a problem, accurate. Just have to be a little careful not to deform the nose when seating since they are softer than jacketed, but not a big problem.

gator378
09-26-2012, 16:32
I can't imagine life without a chrony, otherwise you will have no idea whats going on! I have found two things to be true- most factory ammo does not live up to advertized velocity claims, a lot of times no where near, and this goes across many many different pistol and rifle rounds ive tested as well as .22 lr. Second a lot of times a particular load will have an impressive kick and fireball etc, even flatten primers a lot but you run it over the chrony and wonder where all the power went.

+1. Chronys are great and wonderful. Definitely let you know when you should quit adding powder. The results are often surprising both good and bad. Found a lot of factory ammo are close to published velocites and a lot of reloading data is accurate. A lot of my loads come very close to published. That is good news

piperman
09-27-2012, 10:50
I definitely have to get a chrony. I haven't done anything lately.
I need to get one so that I can find out what my loads are really doing.

Steve